New to Disgaea: Is Disgaea for me?

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I've always been interested in the Disgaea games. I like the art style and I've been told the game has a great sense of humor.

However, I've never actually tried one. I'm not a big fan of Final Fantasy Tactics and Jeanne D'Arc, as the strategic elements get a bit too difficult too fast for me. Disgaea seems similar, but looks different enough that I think I might find it to be enjoyable.

Those of you you have played the games/series, do you think they're different enough from games like FF: Tactics and Jeanne, that I might like them.

Disgaea 3 looks fun, and that would be the game I think I'd be most interested in getting, but I thought I'd get your opinion before making a final decision.

Thanks!
 
Looks for a used copy at GS, and if you don't like it just return. If you don't like Final Fantasy Tactics and Jeanne D'Arc you probably wont like it either
 
[quote name='retrovertigo']I'm not a big fan of Final Fantasy Tactics and Jeanne D'Arc, as the strategic elements get a bit too difficult too fast for me. [/QUOTE]you have now answered your own question.

jus like the guy who didnt like difficult side scrolling games but got Prinny anyways, and ended up hating it becoz he dislikes difficult side scrolling games
 
[quote name='JEKKI']you have now answered your own question.

jus like the guy who didnt like difficult side scrolling games but got Prinny anyways, and ended up hating it becoz he dislikes difficult side scrolling games[/QUOTE]

I completely agree with Jekki here.

I've got about 200 hours in Disgaea and if you don't like Final Fantasy Tactics or anything of that sort, it won't be a good fit for you.
 
I'd say give it a try. The story/art/etc might draw you in. sometimes all you need is a good game to enjoy the genre. Chances are, you won't like it, but you never know!
 
lol
[quote name='bmachine']I'm a little intrigued by Prinny but I'm not sure if I'm going to like it.

:arrow: I've never played a Disgeia game and I don't like RPG's.

:arrow: I don't like crazy Japanese shit. You know what I mean.

:arrow: I don't have a lot of patience for frustrating games and EVERY review I've read has commented on how difficult this game is to play.

Still, I think the trailers make it look like fun. But that's what trailers are supposed to do, right? So...will I have fun with this? Should I buy it?

I'd appreciate any insights you guys might have.[/QUOTE]


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[quote name='bmachine']I think I hate this game. It's on my tradelist, if anyone's interested.[/QUOTE]
 
damn, how did you guys get into strategy games? I never really understood the appeal. mtxbass1 what have you been doing in this game for 200 hours?!!!!!
 
[quote name='Thomas96']damn, how did you guys get into strategy games? I never really understood the appeal. mtxbass1 what have you been doing in this game for 200 hours?!!!!![/QUOTE]

They reward patience rather than reflexes. As a kid, I gravitated toward RPGs because I wasn't too good with platformers, etc., and I liked the art styles better than other games.

Now, I can think of tons of reasons why they're awesome, but that's how I got into them.
 
I've tried Final Fantasy Tactics and I hated it.

I tried Disgaea and I loved it. Disgaea feels like a beginner's entry to strategy games.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']damn, how did you guys get into strategy games? I never really understood the appeal. mtxbass1 what have you been doing in this game for 200 hours?!!!!![/QUOTE]

Portable systems + long commutes.

I've had Disgaea for PS2 since shortly after it came out (it got rare as hell, so when I chanced upon a copy, I snagged it) and never played it due to the time commitment I've heard it took. Once it came to PSP however... soooo much depth, so much fun, and when you have an hour train ride each way 5 days out of the week...

Same goes for Final Fantasy Tactics. Had the PS1 game, but again, never took the time to get into it. I thought it was fun, but required a bit more time than I was willing to put into it. When it came out for PSP, daaamn did I play that a ton.

Disgaea's the best for depth though. Dear God, the insane levels you can take characters too, items to level up that have 100+ floor dungeons INSIDE EVERY ITEM, the list goes on and on. I'm only about half way through the story and have easily put 50+ hours in.

But back on topic: OP, if you've never played strategy games before or aren't sure if you like them, I'd suggest giving FF: Tactics (either Advanced, A2, or the best being the PS1 or PSP game) series a shot. IMHO, it is a lot more forgiving and more straight forward than others such as Disgaea. I'm almost afraid the sheer depth of Disgaea would turn you off to the genre. Advanced and A2 are almost the opposite end of the spectrum though, being much more dumbed down. If you have a PSP, I can't recommend FFT: War of the Lions enough though. Amazing amazing game.

Funny that i have the opposite opinion of Nohbdy, hehe.
 
[quote name='Nohbdy']I've tried Final Fantasy Tactics and I hated it.

I tried Disgaea and I loved it. Disgaea feels like a beginner's entry to strategy games.[/QUOTE]

This right here (I love both but the second part is very true). Disgaea is more about lots of humor and character building than it is about any kind of strategy. FFT is a very bad choice for an entry strategy game IMO.
 
[quote name='Thomas96'] mtxbass1 what have you been doing in this game for 200 hours?!!!!![/QUOTE]

It's easy really. You could rush through the main story in probably 30 hours if you really fly. I played it basically every night before I went to sleep for an hour or two. Like someone else said, you've got hundreds of levels in a single item that you can go through and it has multiple endings. I stopped when I got my chars up to about level 3500. I got to a point in one of the hidden worlds were I was getting my ass kicked in 2 hits or so. I should pick it up again actually...
 
[quote name='62t']Looks for a used copy at GS, and if you don't like it just return. If you don't like Final Fantasy Tactics and Jeanne D'Arc you probably wont like it either[/QUOTE]

I agree, except I'd change that probably to definitely.
 
[quote name='Zmonkay']Disgaea's the best for depth though. Dear God, the insane levels you can take characters too, items to level up that have 100+ floor dungeons INSIDE EVERY ITEM, the list goes on and on. I'm only about half way through the story and have easily put 50+ hours in.

But back on topic: OP, if you've never played strategy games before or aren't sure if you like them, I'd suggest giving FF: Tactics (either Advanced, A2, or the best being the PS1 or PSP game) series a shot. IMHO, it is a lot more forgiving and more straight forward than others such as Disgaea. I'm almost afraid the sheer depth of Disgaea would turn you off to the genre. Advanced and A2 are almost the opposite end of the spectrum though, being much more dumbed down. If you have a PSP, I can't recommend FFT: War of the Lions enough though. Amazing amazing game.[/QUOTE]
Disgaea has depth?
And here I was thinking that you just grind the same level over and over until you get strong enough to destroy everything with a regular attack and a tech attack if you care enough.

Items have up to 100 levels (not every item, only legendaries!) but I hardly if ever needed to level up anything except the highest tier.

Disgaea is about two things; the game, and the endgame. The actual game is fairly easy and you'll discover that using a few powerful characters is much more preferable than having a whole army of average level characters. Some levels are actually puzzles with Geostones, but mostly you can brute force with attacks... a lot of times you don't even need magic.

It's much much much much much easier than FFT in terms of system (which bogs you down with even more useless crap that you don't need, like the CT system or horological signs, while not giving you things you need like level up stat boosts).

Oh yeah.
FFTA and FFTA2 are awesome. I don't know what anyone else is talking about.
 
[quote name='kainzero']Disgaea has depth?
And here I was thinking that you just grind the same level over and over until you get strong enough to destroy everything with a regular attack and a tech attack if you care enough.
[/QUOTE]

Good luck "destroying everything" with a regular attack when your enemies have 558k+ hit points and your regular attack does 100k damage at most. You do know that there are multiple hidden worlds and the game adjusts based on the level you're at right? Like I said before, I'm to the point where my level 2500+ person dies in about 2 hits now, regardless of what item I'm carrying.
 
FFTA was terrible. The judge system, the characters, the story... everything. That you question the depth of Disgaea while praising that horrible game implies that you really aren't qualified to be talking about S-RPGs.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']FFTA was terrible. The judge system, the characters, the story... everything. That you question the depth of Disgaea while praising that horrible game implies that you really aren't qualified to be talking about S-RPGs.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't jump right to "terrible", though obviously it by no means approached the quality of FFT. FFTA2 was much better.

Disgaea does have A LOT of depth, though at times I feel like it almost has TOO much depth, though the hours and hours of timesinks are mostly optional. Not to say I haven't spent WAY too much time with them, because I have.
 
[quote name='mtxbass1']Good luck "destroying everything" with a regular attack when your enemies have 558k+ hit points and your regular attack does 100k damage at most. You do know that there are multiple hidden worlds and the game adjusts based on the level you're at right? Like I said before, I'm to the point where my level 2500+ person dies in about 2 hits now, regardless of what item I'm carrying.[/QUOTE]
If we're talking Disgaea 1, you farm the first level of the last story world until your 3x3 sword attack is good enough to 1-shot CoO3, then you farm that.

If you're sitting at level 2500, I hope you've rerolled at level 800 constantly because at that point there's diminishing returns in terms of time farming / levelling up. Rerolling at 800 is the sweetspot, and the additional stats you get at level 1 add up exponentially as you constantly reroll.

And if you're not using Majin you're missing out; my genius Majin rerolled once was doing way more damage than Laharl rerolled multiple times.

Why do I say there's a lack of depth?
Because once you look up the formulas it becomes a grindfest. You can calculate it yourself but there's no need.
I didn't play Disgaea 2's endgame, and I didn't start Disgaea 3.
[quote name='DarkSageRK']FFTA was terrible. The judge system, the characters, the story... everything. That you question the depth of Disgaea while praising that horrible game implies that you really aren't qualified to be talking about S-RPGs.[/QUOTE]
Oh really?
So what makes YOU qualified?
 
I suppose it's my ability to not simply forget about the massive flaws of the game just because it has Final Fantasy in the title.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']I suppose it's my ability to not simply forget about the massive flaws of the game just because it has Final Fantasy in the title.[/QUOTE]
I'm glad to know that it's just this and not your actual gaming ability.

Judge system - It works. Yes it's annoying to get red-carded to game over, but you can get away with a lot of broken things anyway.
Characters + Story - It was a simple story, I thought it worked well but I was more in it for the gameplay. It's not a political mindfuck like a typical tactics game, but something to move the story along.

Gameplay - Yes. Unlike FFT and useless expensive skills like Charge + 20 and with healing and buffs that MISS, it was clean and quick and unobtrusive to performing the tactics that you wanted to do. The mission system makes it easier to have fair battles. It's debatable on whether you'd prefer a JP system or an equipment based skill system, I'd rather have a JP one but I really did like FFTA2's system of equally awarding everyone JP regardless of if they participated in the battle or not because it encourages you not to stack abilities on characters and run them over.
Game is a little broken with concentrate / auto-death assassins and their sick speed growth, but you can say the same about an all-monk team in FFT, or calculators.

My argument with Disgaea is that there's a lot of stuff in the game but most of it can be excluded. Like item world, there's hardly a reason to go there until end game even if you get early Rares or Legendaries. There's a lot of classes but you usually stick to a few choice ones because a lot of skills aren't important. Rerolling isn't important until end game.

Trust me. Most of Disgaea 1 is CoO3.
 
[quote name='DarkSageRK']I suppose it's my ability to not simply forget about the massive flaws of the game just because it has Final Fantasy in the title.[/QUOTE]

I've never been on the Final Fantasy bandwagon but compared to the regular series, I liked FFT and FFTA. Yes, the judge system fucking sucked but it wasn't enough to ruin the game. I do think the story in FFT was better than FFTA though.
 
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