Now I Know Why You All Enjoy Me Beating You Up: Battered Left Syndrome

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July 21, 2005, 8:07 a.m.
Battered-Left Syndrome
We are in a war, like it or not.

By Ted Lapkin

The aftermath of the London terrorist bombings has demonstrated that the antiwar Left is severely afflicted by the political equivalent of battered-wife syndrome. With each new beating, the scarred and bruised victims of spousal abuse tend to excuse and rationalize the actions of their tormentors. A stubborn unwillingness to accept the proposition that their partners are violent louts plunges these woeful women into a morass of self-deception that spawns only further violence.

The far Left has similarly proved unable to liberate itself from the web of rose-tinted delusions that it has spun about the nature of Islamic extremism. After each al Qaeda outrage, leftist ideologues are quick to castigate their own countrymen for a catalogue of sins, both real and imagined. With a perverse combination of self-loathing and adoration of the enemy, the radical Leftist mantra preaches that if only we were nicer, the jihadists could not fail to love us. It’s our own fault if Osama bin Laden doesn’t realize what good people we are.

And all the while, these “progressive” academics, pundits, and politicians engage in ridiculous intellectual contortions designed to mitigate the guilt of the terrorist perpetrators. When push comes to shove, some intellectuals believe that Islamism is simply an understandable reaction to what they describe as “Western imperialism.”

The streets of Britain’s capital city were still damp with innocent blood when the same obscene dance of political self-flagellation began. Within hours of the explosions on the Underground, author Tariq Ali was blaming these attacks on George Bush and Tony Blair. The architects of the London bombings were exercising their just entitlement to vengeance for the “violence being inflicted on the people of the Muslim world,” he wrote.

Journalist Robert Fisk rushed to sing from the same song-sheet in the left-wing British daily The Independent. “It was crystal clear Britain would be a target ever since Tony Blair decided to join George Bush’s ‘war on terror,’” Fisk thundered. The true arch-terrorists of our time, he argued, could be found in the White House and 10 Downing Street.

And if the causes of Islamist terrorism were being falsely diagnosed by leftist ideologues, then the policy proposals being advanced by these same voices were morally bankrupt as well. Rather than pursue the fanatics had who visited such death upon the innocent of London, George Galloway, a radical member of Parliament, urged Britain to adopt the Spanish model of crumpling under pressure.

After a terrorist attack last year on Madrid’s rail system, Spain’s socialist government withdrew its troops from Iraq. But Prime Minister Jose Zapatero’s capitulation did not remove Spain from al Qaeda’s target list. In mid-June 2005, CNN reported that 16 members of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi’s network were arrested in Madrid while planning additional terrorist attacks against that city.

On September 11, Americans became aware that they were facing a war against an enemy of a kind they had never before encountered. And through bombings, decapitations, and assassinations it has dawned upon other democratic nations that, like it or not, they too are part of this same conflict.

Our enemies go by such names as al Qaeda, Jamaa Islamiya, Hamas, and Hezbollah. They belong to a global jihadist movement that considers it a religious duty to wage holy Islamic war against the infidels of the West.

This is a war that we did not start, but that we dare not leave unfinished. We dare not because our foes are fanatics who strap explosives to their bodies and fly airliners into office buildings. We dare not leave it unfinished because our antagonists see the destruction of our civilization as a necessary precursor to the expansion of their own culture.

Our jihadist enemies are fighting to create an ideal society that looks a lot like Afghanistan under the Taliban. And this is a vision that is repugnant to the foundational ideals of free people everywhere. Women forced to be barefoot, burka-clad, illiterate, and unemployed. Christians and Jews barely tolerated as second-class dhimmicitizens. No art, no science. Societies dominated by poverty, oppression, backwardness, and ignorance.

In the world according to radical Islam it’s the jihadist way or the highway, and these 7th-century dogmas represent the only acceptable outcome to al Qaeda.

But the far-left views the world through a political prism that distorts this essential reality. Fixated by a knee-jerk hostility towards all things American, the likes of Ali, Fisk, and Galloway refuse to recognize the existence of this conflict, much less the stakes that are involved. Their primal instinct is to appease bin Laden and his cohorts rather than oppose them.

But Winston Churchill defined an appeaser as “someone who feeds the crocodile in the hopes of being eaten last.” The sooner we accept the fact that this is a war; then the sooner we can get about the task of winning it.


— Ted Lapkin is director of policy analysis at the Australia/Israel and Jewish Affairs Council (AIJAC), a Melbourne think tank.
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http://www.democrats.org/a/2005/06/tell_president.php

Really, now, with control over two part of a three-part government for five years, your party has fucked things up in unimaginable ways, yet the party with zero (and gaining! ;)) political clout is blamed? Good show. :roll:

The link above will send you to a page about a man you and yours seem to have forgotten about. Study him. Study his followers. Go after THEM.

Not Iraqis.

Not Muslims.

Al-Qaeda.

Look, if you are too lazy to differentiate one brown person from another, that's fine. Go kill them all. We lefties will kill all the white people that we can't differentiate from Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph. Quid pro quo, bebe.
 
See, the major points that this article ignores is the fact that the resentment the extremists have against us is our fault. When you push and manipulate and exploit long enough, sooner or later, they'll fight back.

But in calling the anti-war left "battered-wives" you ignore the fact that WE were the ones who went into this war, without any provocation from Iraq. I hate to beat an old horse, but the "iron-clad" reasons Colin Powell said we had for going into Iraq all fell short. Those extremists are responding to what really was an act of imperialistic aggression. The only problem is that they're taking it out on the wrong people. They're just as guilty as you are PAD, of generalizing the enemy into a humongous group of people. They're just as viscious and deranged, and they DO need to be stopped. Just not in the way we're doing it now.

Next, speaking about "battered-wife syndrome", what do you have to say about Saudi Arabia? You seem to think that all Muslims are evil, yet we're still close diplomatically with them. Despite the fact that over half the hijackers from the 9/11 attacks were from that country. Are you going to recognize that country as scum, as you say the antiwar left needs to do with the rest of Islam?
 
[quote name='Mouse']See, the major points that this article ignores is the fact that the resentment the extremists have against us is our fault. When you push and manipulate and exploit long enough, sooner or later, they'll fight back.[/QUOTE]

You're kidding, right? It's okay for them to resent us because we've improved ourselves socially and economically and they have not? It's okay for them to be so jealous of the advancements of our society that they try to destroy ours to force us back to the level of political, social and economic backwardness they have in most Middle Eastern countries? You're the kind of person the article was talking about, making excuses for people who resort to violence due to jealousy and hatred of a more advanced culture.
 
No, it's not alright for them to resent us because we've improved ourselves socially(arguable) and economically and they haven't. It IS alright for them to resent us when we've improved ourselves at their expense.

I'm not saying that their violence is right, I'm simply stating that their reasons for doing so aren't that odd, if you think about it from an objective standpoint.
 
Your signature pic is so apropos. You are indeed the mouse about to be killed in the trap. You fall for the bait that sensitivity and caring will save your neck unaware of the impending *snap* about to break your neck.
 
I don't see how elprincipe got that out of mouse's post. Nowhere did he say anything about resenting us for simply what we have.

Though I don't get it. If someone says "one of the main reasons they have followers and commit these acts is because of our aggression towards them and our running trampling on them", then we invade 2 of muslim countries, then we get attacked, how is that going to convince them otherwise? If they get attacked 5 more times after the invasions, that would only strengthen that opinion. If you do more of what someone believes is the root cause, then they aren't exactly going to change their mind.
 
PAD, you're reaching. Instead of trying to refute my statements in some way, you stretch to my SIGNATURE as a way to belittle me.

Go to sleep. Get that bedtime blow-job you bragged about last night. If you can carry on a decent conversation tommorow, I'll be waiting.
 
Why do I need to refute you? You're wrong. You're the poster child for the original article. You're dumb, stupid, complacent and don't even see it. You have extreme denial about how misguided you are.

Oh, BTW, those bedtime BJ's help you sleep and well, you need someone to do it for you. I guess your hearty intellect and superior debating skills have left you alone countless nights patting yourself on your back for your mental acumen. I guess for you it must be quite a bit of fun lathering your lower torso in baby oil and pleasuring yourself. You have to be the first person on this board that seems to think sexual contact with another human being is something to be derisive about.

That's okay Mouse, in addtion to you loving yourself, Jesus loves you as well.
 
I really don't see your problem with mouse; and el for all your "Libertarian" leanings you seemed to jump on mouse pretty quick for what he said, not giving him the benefit of the doubt. You seem to me to just be a different shade of Conservative, same school of thought as PAD just not as severe.
Seriously let's be honest here, you say prosper but we've done it not at the benefit of all of these nations. Let's consider Iran and 1953 shall we? Remember us getting rid of Mohammed Mosadeq because he wanted to nationalize their Oil Industry and the British Oil Companies couldn't have that. What about the hell of Panama who had a "plane crash" because he wouldn't cooperate with the Regan Adminstration because he found a cheaper contract for the widening of the canal with the Japanese. Oh yes and we also killed his ally in his fight to help his people just get a LITTLE piece of the pie. This man I mention was the head of Nicaragua. I find it funny we "want" these people yet when we get them we bitch. Oh yes and let us not forget staging a coop in Chile to install a regime that killed MANY people during it reign which was led by Augusto Pinoche. In fact Chile wants to get Kissinger down there and prosecuted for War Crimes.
 
As mouse pointed out, what did Iraq have to do with terrorism before the U.S. invasion & occupation? The author fails to explain that.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Having PAD on ignore is awesome, I just wish I didn't have to look at his topic titles either.[/QUOTE]

Maybe it's just hope that PAD will eventually see the light no matter how much of an idiot he is. While PAD operates off fear, "I", and I hope other Liberals, operate off hope and believe in reform. I think most Moderates and sensible Conservatives are with me on this too.
 
See, once again PAD, you spend about 2 lines on the original topic of discussion, and then start attempting to demoralize your oponnent by attacking something with no bearing to this argument. Just for the record however, last night I drove out to Long Beach NY and had sex among the dunes. And that was fun, if a bit sandy. It just seems idiotic to BRAG about something so commonplace. You, tiring of thinking up nonsensical arguments, decided to claim foreknowledge regarding posters sexual habits. In this case, as in all others, you were wrong.

Thank you. Have a good day. Don't catch the HIV.
 
Remember kids, when you've been in power for five years, and you're screwing things up, blame it on the other guy!
 
I'm going to ignore your comparison of me to PAD because we have vastly, vastly different points of view on many things. Plus you seem to try to use it to insult me, which I guess is a fair point considering his advocacy of wiping out all Muslims, a pretty offensive thought to folks who are rational (and moral).

[quote name='Sarang01']Seriously let's be honest here, you say prosper but we've done it not at the benefit of all of these nations. Let's consider Iran and 1953 shall we? Remember us getting rid of Mohammed Mosadeq because he wanted to nationalize their Oil Industry and the British Oil Companies couldn't have that. What about the hell of Panama who had a "plane crash" because he wouldn't cooperate with the Regan Adminstration because he found a cheaper contract for the widening of the canal with the Japanese. Oh yes and we also killed his ally in his fight to help his people just get a LITTLE piece of the pie. This man I mention was the head of Nicaragua. I find it funny we "want" these people yet when we get them we bitch. Oh yes and let us not forget staging a coop in Chile to install a regime that killed MANY people during it reign which was led by Augusto Pinoche. In fact Chile wants to get Kissinger down there and prosecuted for War Crimes.[/QUOTE]

By your logic, we have every right to be upset with Britain and that's OK. India has every right to be upset with Britain and that's OK. China has every right to be upset with a number of powers (including the U.S.) and it's OK. The list can go on quite a long while. Your philosophy fits in with those resisting change in the Middle East and espousing terrorism as "justified." You feel that it's better to wallow in the misery of decades, even centuries past instead of looking to the future. I've got news for you: there's a good reason why the winners these days are countries like India and China and the losers are countries like Syria and Iran.

And not to nitpick, but it's coup (not coop), and Pinochet (not Pinoche).
 
[quote name='Mouse']No, it's not alright for them to resent us because we've improved ourselves socially(arguable) and economically and they haven't. It IS alright for them to resent us when we've improved ourselves at their expense.[/QUOTE]

When did the U.S. colonize the Middle East? I missed that one. What other things are you talking about? Did we pillage their resources at some point I'm not aware of? Did we hold back them from modernizing socially and culturally (you might argue politically with some success)? All I can think of is all that money we've paid to them for oil.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']I'm going to ignore your comparison of me to PAD because we have vastly, vastly different points of view on many things. Plus you seem to try to use it to insult me, which I guess is a fair point considering his advocacy of wiping out all Muslims, a pretty offensive thought to folks who are rational (and moral).



By your logic, we have every right to be upset with Britain and that's OK. India has every right to be upset with Britain and that's OK. China has every right to be upset with a number of powers (including the U.S.) and it's OK. The list can go on quite a long while. Your philosophy fits in with those resisting change in the Middle East and espousing terrorism as "justified." You feel that it's better to wallow in the misery of decades, even centuries past instead of looking to the future. I've got news for you: there's a good reason why the winners these days are countries like India and China and the losers are countries like Syria and Iran.

And not to nitpick, but it's coup (not coop), and Pinochet (not Pinoche).[/QUOTE]

Yeah it's because they've decided to follow our example and become an economic Rome and perhaps someday become almost an exact replica of Rome like we are.
I want a world where smaller countries are respected and their economic interests recognized as well as our own. It doesn't have to be at our loss when they gain or vice versa, we can have both or is that asking too much? I suppose that's not enough money for our giant U.S. companies, they'd like to suck the resources dry like a Parasite and move on.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']When did the U.S. colonize the Middle East? I missed that one. What other things are you talking about? Did we pillage their resources at some point I'm not aware of? Did we hold back them from modernizing socially and culturally (you might argue politically with some success)? All I can think of is all that money we've paid to them for oil.[/QUOTE]

I've got some homework for you. I want you to read this article for class tommorow. I'll know if you didn't ;)

I selected it from the CATO institute to help eliminate the "liberal bias" I'm fairly confident you (or someone else) would complain about.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html
 
[quote name='Mouse']I've got some homework for you. I want you to read this article for class tommorow. I'll know if you didn't ;)

I selected it from the CATO institute to help eliminate the "liberal bias" I'm fairly confident you (or someone else) would complain about.
http://www.cato.org/pubs/pas/pa-159.html[/QUOTE]

Haha, interesting article though. More details than I had been aware of, but still reinforcing my point that the British, not us, colonized the Middle East (others as well, such as the Ottomans). If there is anything to complain about, it's that our support for regimes like the House of Saud has lessened the likelihood and pace of political change in the region, which I think is a reasonable argument. The administration has sought to change this, but needs to be more consistent (our coddling of certain key dictators can only be viewed as hypocrisy).
 
Yeah, that's one of my main complaints. Our government claims to want to eliminate dictatorial regimes across the world, yet that only applies to ones that don't work out for their benefit. And it's not just the conservative administrations I'm complaining about. Virtually all politicians in positions of influence are focused on catering to their constituency. Not the people who "elect" them, but the corporations that give billions (compounded) in grants.

That's why globalization, why a good idea in theory, needs regulation. Otherwise it allows organizations from highly industrialized countries to exploit the natural resources of the others.

All of these resources are finite. By the time we're of retirement age, we may be close to drying up the middle east's oil reserves, what with china now joining the automobile frenzy. Plus, we need to learn better oil management. Why the fuck do we all need SUVs? Talk about fuel inneficiency. I see SUVs in the middle of Manhattan. Stupid yuppie fucktards. Completely unnecessary.

But the government has the capability to reduce our fuel consumption. By enforcing a higher mpg ratio (which i could swear both Clinton and Bush Jr. promised) we could easily save both money and oil for the global population, instead of lining the pockets of the upper 1%.

And now I've went off on a tangent... I need sleep...
 
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