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Putting Parents In Their Place: Outside Class
Too Much Involvement Can Hinder Students' Independence, Experts Say
By Valerie Strauss
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, March 21, 2006; A08

They are needy, overanxious and sometimes plain pesky -- and schools at every level are trying to find ways to deal with them.

No, not students. Parents -- specifically parents of today's "millennial generation" who, many educators are discovering, can't let their kids go.

They text message their children in middle school, use the cellphone like an umbilical cord to Harvard Yard and have no compunction about marching into kindergarten class and screaming at a teacher about a grade.

To handle the modern breed of micromanaging parent, educators are devising programs to help them separate from their kids -- and they are taking a harder line on especially intrusive parents.

At seminars, such as one in Phoenix last year titled "Managing Millennial Parents," they swap strategies on how to handle the "hovercrafts" or "helicopter parents," so dubbed because of a propensity to swoop in at the slightest crisis.

Educators worry not only about how their school climates are affected by intrusive parents trying to set their own agendas but also about the ability of young people to become independent.

"As a child gets older, it is a real problem for a parent to work against their child's independent thought and action, and it is happening more often," said Ron Goldblatt, executive director of the Association of Independent Maryland Schools.

"Many young adults entering college have the academic skills they will need to succeed but are somewhat lacking in life skills like self-reliance, sharing and conflict resolution," said Linda Walter, an administrator at Seton Hall University in New Jersey and co-chairman of the family portion of new-student orientation.

Educators say the shift in parental engagement coincides with the rise of the millennial generation, kids born after 1982.

"They have been the most protected and programmed children ever -- car seats and safety helmets, play groups and soccer leagues, cellphones and e-mail," said Mark McCarthy, assistant vice president and dean of student development at Marquette University in Milwaukee. "The parents of this generation are used to close and constant contact with their children and vice versa."

Academics say many baby boomer parents have become hyperinvolved in their children's lives for numerous reasons. There is the desire to protect youngsters from a tougher and more competitive culture. And there is the symbolic value of children.

"It was just about 20 years ago that we started seeing those yellow 'Baby on Board' signs in cars, which arguably had little to do with safety and a lot to do with publicly announcing one's new status as a parent," said Donald Pollock, chairman of the Department of Anthropology at the State University of New York at Buffalo.

"I imagine that parents who displayed those 'Baby on Board' signs are the ones who are now intruding themselves into the college experience of those poor babies 18 years later," he said.

"There are a lot of things I can't control," said one Bethesda mother who asked not to be identified because, she said, her daughter would be mortified. "Terrorists, the environment. But I can control how my daughter spends her day."

Teachers and principals in the early grades began noticing changes in parents in the 1990s. Parents began spending more time in classrooms. Then they began calling teachers frequently. Then came e-mails, text messages -- sometimes both at once. Today schools are trying to figure out how to take back a measure of control.

Some parents who once had unlimited access to classrooms or school hallways are being kicked out, principals say. Teachers are refusing to meet with parents they consider abusive, some say. A number of private schools have added language in their enrollment contracts and handbooks warning that a student can be asked to leave as a result of a parent's behavior. Some have tossed out children because their parents became too difficult to work with.

College officials say they, too, are trying to find ways to handle ubiquitous parents. Freshmen orientations incorporate lessons for parents on how to separate and let their children make their own hair appointments.

At Colgate University in Hamilton, N.Y., for example, administrators issue parents the university's philosophy on self-reliance when they drop off their children, spokeswoman Caroline Jenkins said.

Colgate administrators also send out a memo to department heads at the beginning of each semester reiterating that "we will not solve problems for students because it robs students of an opportunity to learn."

The Parent Program at Alma College in Michigan takes a comprehensive approach at orientation, complete with scripts that allow parents to role-play. A problem is presented and parents are asked, "Tell me what you've done already to solve this problem," said Patricia Chase, director of student development.

The answer often should be nothing, but inevitably parents offer lots of somethings.

"Our aim is not to tell parents to let go completely because, of course, parents want to be an integral part of their children's entire lives," said Walter of Seton Hall, where orientation includes sessions for parents and students -- both separately and together. "Rather, it is to discuss how to be involved in their children's lives, while allowing their children to learn the life skills they will need to succeed in college and beyond."

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Evidently, you've never read anything by Annette Lareau. Big surprise there.

BTW, which right-wing demagogue first used the phrase "nanny stater"? I'd like to give you credit for coming up with something humorous, but god only knows it was something you didn't come up with on your own.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Evidently, you've never read anything by Annette Lareau.[/QUOTE]

For those of you unfamiliar with the name here's the title of her book and premise.

"Unequal Childhood": WHAAAAAAAAAA WHAAAAAAAAA LIFE ISN'T FAIR WHAAAAAAAAA! It's not fair that more poor kids aren't exposed to upper middle class values! WHAAAAAAAA! Rich kids can't handle disappointments as well as poor kids! WHAAAAAAAAAA! Why are people different? WHAAAAAAA!

PAD Notes, now you don't have to bother reading this distopian drivel.

You know that just by the organization she's a part of "Center for the Study of Inequality" that she's one of Mykey's favorites, someone to be cherished, revered and praised. She gets it! Now if only we'd put her words of wisdom into fixing the evil world created by the Devil White Man.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']ah, sexist and stupid - that's two for one![/QUOTE]

Please enlighten us where I was sexist.

I can't say socialist minded utopians who whine about life being unfair are misguided because they're a woman?

Help us here.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

Help us here.[/quote]

oh, PAD, darling, it's too late to help you...

and this from a "Nanny Stater."
 
oh by the way, where are all those broken families at?
http://www.divorcereform.org/94staterates.html

the highest divorce rates by states -
39 Mississippi 15,212 5.7
40 Kentucky 22,211 5.8
Arizona 23,725 5.8
42 Florida 82,963 5.9
43 New Mexico 9,882 6.0
44 Idaho 7,075 6.2
Alabama 26,116 6.2
46 Indiana *** 6.4
47 Wyoming 3,071 6.5
48 Tennessee 34,167 6.6
49 Oklahoma 21,855 6.7
50 Arkansas 17,458 7.1
51 Nevada 13,061 9.0
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']oh, PAD, darling, it's too late to help you...

and this from a "Nanny Stater."[/QUOTE]

Oh man, you're brilliant.

So tactful, insightful and a true bearer of worldly knowledge.

Go back to your learning tree, er, um.... weed. Where you will no doubt absorb much that will, in the future, leave us spellbound with more one sentence pearls of wisdom.
 
[quote name='Sleepkyng']oh by the way, where are all those broken families at?
http://www.divorcereform.org/94staterates.html

the highest divorce rates by states -
39 Mississippi 15,212 5.7
40 Kentucky 22,211 5.8
Arizona 23,725 5.8
42 Florida 82,963 5.9
43 New Mexico 9,882 6.0
44 Idaho 7,075 6.2
Alabama 26,116 6.2
46 Indiana *** 6.4
47 Wyoming 3,071 6.5
48 Tennessee 34,167 6.6
49 Oklahoma 21,855 6.7
50 Arkansas 17,458 7.1
51 Nevada 13,061 9.0[/QUOTE]

Those are 12 years old. Any recent ones?
 
It's amazing that many of you can breathe and pump blood at the same time.

WTF do divorice rates have to do with overbearing parents? WTF do they have to do with kids so inept at making life decisions because of do it all, know it all parents have sent kids to college without the wherewithal on how to make a hair appointment?

I'm dying to see the logic on the connection.
 
My wife works in the school setting and must deal with these type of parents constantly. It used to be that if you got into trouble at school, you'd get disciplined first by the teacher, then get your ass beat at home. Today, the parents are siding with little "Biff" and "Scooter" since they are oh-so perfect, and the teachers are seen as the enemy.

Just wanted to sidetrack a little from the OP to illustrate how things have changed.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']

WTF do divorice rates have to do with overbearing parents? WTF do they have to do with kids so inept at making life decisions because of do it all, know it all parents have sent kids to college without the wherewithal on how to make a hair appointment?
[/quote]

Gosh, you got me there, chief - hadn't figger'd it that way.

I guess there ain't no correlation in realty.

:lol:
 
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