NYC Cop Arrests College Student for Not Having ID

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Note to tourists visting New York: Don't be caught out without your ID, or you could be caught in the city's penal system for days, if the recent experience of 21-year-old college student Samantha Zucker is anything to go by. Actually, Zucker barely qualifies as an out-of-towner, since she hails from the Westchester town of Ardsley. And the underlying charge that led to her tour in jail was a minor trespassing citation, dismissed by a presiding judge in no time.
But no matter: A vigilant NYPD officer deemed her a sufficient threat to public safety to have her handcuffed and jailed in two different cells across the length of Manhattan.
The whole ordeal began with a trip to Riverside Park, as Zucker recounts to New York Times columnist James Dwyer. Zucker is enrolled in a design program at Pittsburgh's Carnegie-Mellon University; together with 80 of her colleagues, she spent a long day on Oct. 21 scouting out prospective employment scenarios in New York's sprawling fashion industry. After pounding the pavement, she dropped off her bags at her West Harlem hotel. From there, she and fellow student Alex Fischer decided to stroll over to Riverside Park, to gaze out on the Hudson.
There was just one problem: The two park visitors arrived at around 3 a.m. on Oct. 22, and the park is officially closed to visitors as of 1 a.m. A police car pulled up, and the officers in it informed the two students of their trespass. Zucker and Fischer explained that they hadn't known of the park's curfew, and turned around to leave. By then, however, another NYPD car appeared, and the officer driving it announced he was citing them for trespassing, and demanded their IDs. Fischer produced his driver's license and was let go--but Zucker had left her identification back at the hotel, two blocks away. She apologized, and told the officer that she could have Fischer or another friend fetch it.
But no dice. "He said it was too late for that, I should have thought of it earlier," she told Dwyer. At that point, as Dwyer writes, the wheels of justice locked grimly into gear; Zucker was handcuffed and led into a surreal maze of detention:
For the next 36 hours, she was moved from a cell in the 26th Precinct station house on West 126th Street to central booking in Lower Manhattan and then — because one of the officers was ending his shift before Ms. Zucker could be photographed for her court appearance, and you didn't think he was going to take the subway uptown while his partner stayed with her at booking, did you? — she was brought back to Harlem.
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It's not against the law, of course, to be out on New York's streets without identification--but the courts can detain people without identification in jail until their arraignment in lieu of issuing them a summons. As Zucker waited in her cell for her court appearance, she heard NYPD employees marvel that the arresting officer didn't permit her the opportunity to have a friend retrieve her ID. At another point, Zucker says, she heard two NYPD staffers say that the arresting officer--identified as Officer Durrell of the 26th District in Zucker's police records--had a "short fuse." When Zucker finally got her court appearance, the presiding judge dismissed her trespassing citation in less than a minute.
Durrell apparently worked off some tension by taunting his prisoner in her cell. "He was telling me that I needed to get a new boyfriend, that I should get a guy who takes me out to dinner," Ms. Zucker said. "He mocked me for being from Westchester." (For the record, Fischer is not Zucker's boyfriend.)
The officer also instructed Zucker--twice--to refrain from calling him a profane name that she did not in fact utter. "I said, 'Sir, I never used that word.' " Then again, projection is no crime--any more than being out in a park without an ID is.
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Honestly, all of this could have been avoided if she was allowed to get her ID which was according to the article 2 blocks away. I'd hate to run into that cop anytime soon.
 
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Honestly, all of this could have been avoided if she was allowed to get her ID which was according to the article 2 blocks away. I'd hate to run into that cop anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

No, all this could be avoided if she carried her ID or decided not to trespass
 
Dude, this is another stupid fucking article that pisses me off. Contrary to popular myth most cops are not self righteous dicks out to get people, they simply are not. Now this could be the 1 and a million time in which a bad cop wants to mess with someone but its probably not. What really probably happened is they gave the cop shit when they were asked to leave. You now the same type of shit that people say when they get pulled over for speeding...even though....they were in fact speeding.

I come from a long line of cops and trained to be one myself....for whatever reason most people feel like its their duty to stand up to cops on a day to day basis. Instead of saying...yes sir and leaving they probably did what most people do which is beg and plead and pout and claim they are being treated unfairly etc etc. This bitch reeks of whining woe is me and I dont believe a word of it. The friend was let go without problem correct? Yeah so this cop saw two people let one go but had a grudge against her that he didnt have against her friend. Get the hell out of here.
 
[quote name='62t']No, all this could be avoided if she carried her ID or decided not to trespass[/QUOTE]

Being from out of town, she didnt know about the rules of the park. To that point, NYC being a tourist spot, you would think the police are often confronted with people like these. Give some common courtesy to these people, they're bringing your city income. And yes, she didnt have her ID, but she could have easily obtained it instead of being thrown around the police system for 36 hours.
 
Once again, didnt he let the friend go without question?

Lets ignorantly forget that the cops probably caught dozens of drug dealers and/or other criminals in this exact same way. Lets just be outraged by the fact that he detained a girl for breaking the law and trespassing.

Lets also pretend that signs dont exist in NYC...even though by law they have to post the times at every entrance.
 
She was trespassing, also who is just "gazing" at the Hudson at 3 in the morning. I feel like there is probably more to this story.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Dude, this is another stupid fucking article that pisses me off. Contrary to popular myth most cops are not self righteous dicks out to get people, they simply are not. Now this could be the 1 and a million time in which a bad cop wants to mess with someone but its probably not. What really probably happened is they gave the cop shit when they were asked to leave. You now the same type of shit that people say when they get pulled over for speeding...even though....they were in fact speeding.

I come from a long line of cops and trained to be one myself....for whatever reason most people feel like its their duty to stand up to cops on a day to day basis. Instead of saying...yes sir and leaving they probably did what most people do which is beg and plead and pout and claim they are being treated unfairly etc etc. This bitch reeks of whining woe is me and I dont believe a word of it. The friend was let go without problem correct? Yeah so this cop saw two people let one go but had a grudge against her that he didnt have against her friend. Get the hell out of here.[/QUOTE]

Was your dad Andy of Mayberry?

News flash: big city cops aren't like bumblefuck Iowa cops. They have carte blanche and really don't give a shit.
 
[quote name='caltab']She was trespassing, also who is just "gazing" at the Hudson at 3 in the morning. I feel like there is probably more to this story.[/QUOTE]

When I was hanging out with some buddies in Philly, we got back from the bars and then went to the local park to walk the house dog.

Seriously what do you think - she was out there to dump a body?
 
[quote name='Link927']Being from out of town, she didnt know about the rules of the park. To that point, NYC being a tourist spot, you would think the police are often confronted with people like these. Give some common courtesy to these people, they're bringing your city income. And yes, she didnt have her ID, but she could have easily obtained it instead of being thrown around the police system for 36 hours.[/QUOTE]

Don't use common sense and NYC cops in the same sentence. Just accept that it's a police state and you'll have a smoother ride.
 
[quote name='camoor']Was your dad Andy of Mayberry?

News flash: big city cops aren't like bumblefuck Iowa cops. They have carte blanche and really don't give a shit.[/QUOTE]

No, it was Detroit, the shithole that I grew up...so you can fuck off with that. And no, most cops are fine and will give you a pass on most things. I have seen it dozens of times..even in the city.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']No, it was Detroit, the shithole that I grew up...so you can fuck off with that. And no, most cops are fine and will give you a pass on most things. I have seen it dozens of times..even in the city.[/QUOTE]

It doesn't go so easy for folks who can't say "my daddy is a cop"
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Once again, didnt he let the friend go without question?

Lets ignorantly forget that the cops probably caught dozens of drug dealers and/or other criminals in this exact same way. Lets just be outraged by the fact that he detained a girl for breaking the law and trespassing.

Lets also pretend that signs dont exist in NYC...even though by law they have to post the times at every entrance.[/QUOTE]

Because the friend had an ID on him.
 
Are you kidding with this? I am a black guy from the hood, I have personally been falsely arrested 5 times in my life. I dont wear a sign that says my dad is officer Soodmeg around my neck. This also doesnt protect me against other cities cops when they see my DL says Detroit on it.

Dont play the profiling game with me because you will lose. I am not a pussy so I dont toss my hands in the air and claim every cop is against me. Given my past situations it probably did look like I was a criminal...I always stayed calm, I always explained truthfully and I always did what they asked....the first time. I have never felt violated from any encounter even while sitting in holding cells. When things got cleared up they always felt sorry and even drove me back to my house a couple times.

I simply long for the time when this fake ass nothing is my fault they are just targeting me mentality goes away. Its why I never finished training. I couldnt handle putting my life on the line every single day just so random dickheads can cry with that ooooo look at me bullshit. Its the same with teachers, its not that your kids it actual stupid, disruptive, lazy and verbal abusing to everyone....its the teachers fault. I have no idea why in America the people who preform valuable public services are treated like complete shit.

Seriously, have you ever tried not being a complete dick to them? I hear it works. Hell I even got out of a speeding ticket on the Ohio Turnpike one time because I pulled over so quickly that the cop actually had to reverse back. When he asked, did I know why I was being pulled over I said, "well beacuse I was going about 20 over. Long distance trip just trying to make good time." He laughed and said...yeah I do that sometimes do...I will give you a warning but keep it under.
 
[quote name='docvinh']All the bickering aside, I think the fact that the judge tossed the case shows that the cop was probably just being a dick.[/QUOTE]

Thats were we differ, from the judges I know, they probably threw it out because they felt sorry for her. As a favor they are not going to put her through any more trouble even though they could. Its odd that even though you dont know the cops record you assume he is just being a dick...he could be the same guy who saved 15 grandmas for all you know. You just automatically assume that if he arrested anyone who was on a murderous rampage the cop has it out for them.

It reminds me of the fact that most people think cops are just being dicks when they flick on their lights to go through a red light....ignorant to the fact that unless its a violent emergence they are not suppose to turn their lights on in the first place. They are doing it to get to you quicker. Cops, just like teachers you dont think or hear about unless its something like this..then you think...oohhh of course its because they are all horrid while forgetting the millions of great things they do.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Are you kidding with this? I am a black guy from the hood, I have personally been falsely arrested 5 times in my life. I dont wear a sign that says my dad is officer Soodmeg around my neck. This also doesnt protect me against other cities cops when they see my DL says Detroit on it.

Dont play the profiling game with me because you will lose. I am not a pussy so I dont toss my hands in the air and claim every cop is against me. Given my past situations it probably did look like I was a criminal...
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Seriously, have you ever tried not being a complete dick to them? I hear it works.[/QUOTE]

Just what are you getting at? Are you insinuating that this girl probably looked like a criminal? Obviously I can't judge your "false arrests" because you don't offer any specifics, and yeah if you go around acting like a criminal then you should be stopped. But all we know is that this girl went to go see a big city park in the moonlight and got put in the clink for it. That's not right.

I think you should always act polite to all civil servants, not just cops - and I most assuredly do. But I also think that the "papers, please" stuff is bullshit, we used to know this in America.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Thats were we differ, from the judges I know, they probably threw it out because they felt sorry for her. As a favor they are not going to put her through any more trouble even though they could. Its odd that even though you dont know the cops record you assume he is just being a dick...he could be the same guy who saved 15 grandmas for all you know. You just automatically assume that if he arrested anyone who was on a murderous rampage the cop has it out for them.

It reminds me of the fact that most people think cops are just being dicks when they flick on their lights to go through a red light....ignorant to the fact that unless its a violent emergence they are not suppose to turn their lights on in the first place. They are doing it to get to you quicker. Cops, just like teachers you dont think or hear about unless its something like this..then you think...oohhh of course its because they are all horrid while forgetting the millions of great things they do.[/QUOTE]

How's your opinion of judges any more valid then mine of the cop? I assume cops are dicks because well, I've talked to a few, and the majority of them seem to be. I'm sure there are good ones out there, somewhere.
 
Cops are very YMMV. I had cops who dismissed my mom's accusations of domestic abuse when she clearly had a gashing wound on her head from my ex step father's attack. I personally have been excused of 600 dollars worth of tickets. 400 dollar one from going 40 in a school zone (distracted, totally my fault), and about 200 one for making a wrong left turn (made the car behind me swerve).
 
I am insinuating that cops are not physic thus cant known the intentions of even the suburbany of suburbanite. Its easy in hindsight to say, "pfft it wasnt like she was dumping a body," oh wait...bodies do get dumped there, crimes do happen there and crimes happen by people who dont look like criminals. The story is an account from solely her to the media (first flag, yahoo media at that) her friend was let go without a single problem (2nd flag) the judge tossed it (3rd flag) then she talks about the cop saying she should get a new boyfriend? (4 flag) I mean, that does happen I will admit but mostly in movies. An arresting officer usually doesnt sit in the same room as the holding cell like a western

I have a hard time believing that a dick cop would let one person guy but decide this 2nd person should be the target of his aggression. Even though he just let the friend go and would know that if he came off like he was profiling that friend could speak against him....(which the friend did not)

Yea, I gonna choose door number 3. Her friend probably did what he was suppose to and got off easy breezy meanwhile she was probably being a bitch to the cop and he was a dick back to her.


I guess what I am getting at is how everyone instantly went to how the cop is just abusing his power without even entertaining the idea that she could have just been being a bitch the entire time. None of use were there so we will never know but its odd to me that teachers and officers are always punching bags even though they do the hardest work with the least about of reward. Even though we all know there are crazy people out there we wont even give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were in the right.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I am insinuating that cops are not physic thus cant known the intentions of even the suburbany of suburbanite. Its easy in hindsight to say, "pfft it wasnt like she was dumping a body," oh wait...bodies do get dumped there, crimes do happen there and crimes happen by people who dont look like criminals. The story is an account from solely her to the media (first flag, yahoo media at that) her friend was let go without a single problem (2nd flag) the judge tossed it (3rd flag) then she talks about the cop saying she should get a new boyfriend? (4 flag) I mean, that does happen I will admit but mostly in movies. An arresting officer usually doesnt sit in the same room as the holding cell like a western

I have a hard time believing that a dick cop would let one person guy but decide this 2nd person should be the target of his aggression. Even though he just let the friend go and would know that if he came off like he was profiling that friend could speak against him....(which the friend did not)

Yea, I gonna choose door number 3. Her friend probably did what he was suppose to and got off easy breezy meanwhile she was probably being a bitch to the cop and he was a dick back to her.


I guess what I am getting at is how everyone instantly went to how the cop is just abusing his power without even entertaining the idea that she could have just been being a bitch the entire time. None of use were there so we will never know but its odd to me that teachers and officers are always punching bags even though they do the hardest work with the least about of reward. Even though we all know there are crazy people out there we wont even give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were in the right.[/QUOTE]

Maybe so, but I'm going off the fact that the judge let her go as proof that he overstepped his bounds. We all have different opinions of the situation.
 
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Honestly, all of this could have been avoided if she was allowed to get her ID which was according to the article 2 blocks away. I'd hate to run into that cop anytime soon.[/QUOTE]

i would have pulled out my 9 and popped a cap in the pigs ass... goodbye

just remember you don't have to have the rims, the ice, the whip, the gear, the shoes... you don't have to have the nothin. You just have to be slippin when the Party Invited GiverS come through and they will definitely pick your ass up...
 
[quote name='docvinh']How's your opinion of judges any more valid then mine of the cop? I assume cops are dicks because well, I've talked to a few, and the majority of them seem to be. I'm sure there are good ones out there, somewhere.[/QUOTE]

Its about the same the only difference is the benefit of the doubt that I give that most people...not just cops are good. Taking the side of "the majority" of anything is bad is a bullshit excuse to say mad at a certain group.

The majority of cops being dicks is laughable if they were true you wouldnt be able to do or go anywhere. As I said, the problem with teaching and being an officer is that no one every thinks of those professions until something like this happens. No one ever thinks of the time when a cop saw them gun a yellow light but didnt get pulled over. Most of the time they laugh to themselves and say "blah blah blah I am so lucky" when in reality the cop saw you...thought to themselves...its 7:45 they are probably just trying to get to work on time, I am not even going to mess with them.

You have witnessed cops give people tons of breaks but you forget about it instantly because its not newsworthy but the very second a cop says, hmm I dont know if I can give this persona break on this its pretty far over the line...its back to every cop is a robot with no emotions at all.


Lastly, I am not saying all cops are great I know many dickhead cops but the majority of them are great and have cut many people breaks.
 
[quote name='mastagoalie']just remember you don't have to have the rims, the ice, the whip, the gear, the shoes... you don't have to have the nothin. You just have to be slippin when the Party Invited GiverS come through and they will definitely pick your ass up...[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure what this is saying but I'm making it my sig for work email.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']I guess what I am getting at is how everyone instantly went to how the cop is just abusing his power without even entertaining the idea that she could have just been being a bitch the entire time. None of use were there so we will never know but its odd to me that teachers and officers are always punching bags even though they do the hardest work with the least about of reward. Even though we all know there are crazy people out there we wont even give them the benefit of the doubt that maybe they were in the right.[/QUOTE]

Even if the lady did act like a bitch - you think the rest of us don't have to deal with someone acting like a bitch at our jobs? Try retail sometime. The difference is that the police officer can use his authority to lock someone up when he is annoyed - but that's not justice.

I have alot of respect for good police officers, but that doesn't mean I'm going to ignore a story about a police officer who oversteps his bounds just because the guy has a badge and a uniform.

[quote name='docvinh']Maybe so, but I'm going off the fact that the judge let her go as proof that he overstepped his bounds. We all have different opinions of the situation.[/QUOTE]

Good point.
 
And this is why some of us take the side of the victim whenever a case like this comes up, because there will always be more than enough people coming to the defense of the cops involved. Even by people who have been abused by them themselves, they'll always defend them as some sort of stalwart pillars of morality. i've met so many dickhead cops in my life I can't count them all. From the rookie out to prove something, to the old fart who just hates anyone younger than himself. See, there are plenty of normal people like that too, the difference is that most can't arrest you whenever they feel like it. And lets be honest here, police in most any area can take you in for any little made up shit they want, even if you are let go later, they'll make go through shit for it.

I must be nice to be able to arrest someone for being disrespectful to you, wish I could do that every time some ass in a store is rude to me.
 
[quote name='Clak']I must be nice to be able to arrest someone for being disrespectful to you, wish I could do that every time some ass in a store is rude to me.[/QUOTE]

Except I'm pretty sure you're being hyperbolic here.

Sood apparently has police training and he thinks that "being a bitch" is an arrestable offense. Sorry Sood but you need to go back to police academy.
 
[quote name='camoor']Except I'm pretty sure you're being hyperbolic here.

Sood apparently has police training and he thinks that "being a bitch" is an arrestable offense. Sorry Sood but you need to go back to police academy.[/QUOTE]

Are you fucking dense or what? Did you just forgot she was actually breaking the law at the time? She was trespassing without an id in a public park that has posted hours, the cop didnt break into her house and haul her off to jail. Lets keep forgetting that her friend who in the exact same position left without a problem.
 
[quote name='camoor']Was your dad Andy of Mayberry?

News flash: big city cops aren't like bumblefuck Iowa cops. They have carte blanche and really don't give a shit.[/QUOTE]


what he said. theres nothing worse than an asshole cop on a power trip and until you do you have no idea. that said ive known good cops too.
 
[quote name='dothog']I'm not sure what this is saying but I'm making it my sig for work email.[/QUOTE]

He jivin' bout the 5-po, hometurnip.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']Are you fucking dense or what? Did you just forgot she was actually breaking the law at the time? She was trespassing without an id in a public park that has posted hours, the cop didnt break into her house and haul her off to jail. Lets keep forgetting that her friend who in the exact same position left without a problem.[/QUOTE]

That's true, they were both breaking the law, yet one gets to go home, and one gets to go to jail. Why is that?
 
That is a good question....like I said, the only difference here is that my prejudice says, "what did you do to piss off the cop that he didnt also let you go?" Where as some of you are "the cop must me on a power trip ARGHAGH."

Its the same with all authority figures, its always the teacher targeting the kid, its always the judge keeping the brothers down, its always the boss making sure you dont get ahead.
 
[quote name='Soodmeg']That is a good question....like I said, the only difference here is that my prejudice says, "what did you do to piss off the cop that he didnt also let you go?" Where as some of you are "the cop must me on a power trip ARGHAGH."

Its the same with all authority figures, its always the teacher targeting the kid, its always the judge keeping the brothers down, its always the boss making sure you dont get ahead.[/QUOTE]
When individual actions start building up a pattern for a particular demographic, it's the sign of a systemic problem; not an individual one.

You, of all people, should understand this. No one is saying that your father and grandfather were power-tripping pigs, but historically, cops, especially white ones, were perpetrating acts of extreme violence upon the populace. You should stop taking it so personally.

The fact that you've also been pretty heavily profiled says something about the system as well.
 
Some cops are dicks, some cops are nice. But it's always hilarious when relatives of cops go ape shit when people badmouth cops.
 
Trespassing in a park is kind of a bullshit charge to begin with; as for the no I.D. thing if you ever watched COPS they'll mess with somebody walking from a hotel room to a vending machine...personally I think they saw her as a homeless undesirable and were just looking for reasons to run her outta town.
 
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