Oh NeoGAF, your threads on used game sales never fail to entertain

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Anyone else absolutely love it when a thread related to used game sales gets posted at NeoGAF? There's a decent one going right now:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235989

Personally I find hours of humor in them. You get the usual players on each side, with unwitting posters wandering into a topic that's routinely beaten to death not knowing what they're in for.

The single greatest aspect of them has to be the GameStop imagery. I detest the typical GameStop employee and typical state of a used GameStop title as much as the next guy (why oh why did that copy of Street Fighter Anniversary Collection I found during the last Xbox B1G1 sale have to be so beaten up?), but damn.

If I'm to believe some of those posters every single used game was previously owned by a basement-dwelling nerd who read the manual while taking a dump, had his one-year old exclusively handle the disc, and allowed his dog to use the case as a chew toy before a crack addict stole it to trade it in at GameStop to support his habit (via store credit, no less). Oh yeah, GameStop then applies at least eight stickers to the case, places it next to a new copy, and undercuts it by $5, obviously taking the sale away from the pristine new version every time.

I hope this topic never dies at GAF.
 
Well most of their discs do look like parking lot frisbees. Maybe I always go to the ghetto fabulous locations, but I can't even think about buying a disc based game around here used.
 
look closely and you can spot me firmly on the "fuck gamestop they need to die and so do you for shopping there" side.
 
[quote name='jer7583']look closely and you can spot me firmly on the "fuck gamestop they need to die and so do you for shopping there" side.[/quote]

Interesting.

I don't have a problem with GameStop. Maybe it's just the area I live in, but they're all over the place, they've got a ton of used stock in current and previous gen titles, and finding game in good shape is the norm unless you're talking about the DS. I don't trade in games, and usually wait until there's a buy X get Y free sale to buy, so maybe my view is a bit tinted. If I was your average idiot who brought in a stack of 360 games and left with a no case / no manual copy of Assassin's Creed maybe I'd feel different.

Doesn't help that there are no independent game retailers around me. Well, there's one about a mile from my house, but you'd crack up if I posted pics of the inside. It literally looks like a bomb went off in a nerd's basement. Not in a good way either. If you've got a better independent game retailer around you I hope to God that you give them every dime of your gaming money.

So why does GameStop need to die?

I can't see a worse thing for the industry, if that's your concern.

Think otherwise? Take a look at the music industry. The big box stores started using CDs as loss leaders to get people into the stores and drove the independent music retailers out of business. Now the music industry is caught by the balls, with something like 90% of its business coming from a tiny number of retailers (I don't have the exact number, but Wal-Mart is a huge part of that; read The Future of Music). It's not great for the consumer, either. Sure, $12 CDs were great when you were used to paying $18 at a musc store, but as soon as the music stores went out of business the big box stores started paring down the catalog. Want anything other than pop and rap? Online is really your only choice nowadays, and frankly that sucks.

The fact is that the industry needs a dedicated retail outlet for games, and that isn't something that can happen without used game sales.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']NeoGAF knows how to run a fourm.[/quote]

Completely agree. I've been trying to encourage the owner of a local (but highly visited) surfing forum to use the NeoGAF model: closed registration, liberal (and often irreverant) use of the ban hammer. Can't get him to do it, despite the fact that we're overrun by trolls of the highest magnitude.

I love that place, if only for the pickup posts and the fact that multiconsole discussions occasionally occur without system / list wars. This one recurring topic never fails to entertain though.
 
[quote name='Caswell']Completely agree. I've been trying to encourage the owner of a local (but highly visited) surfing forum to use the NeoGAF model: closed registration, liberal (and often irreverant) use of the ban hammer. Can't get him to do it, despite the fact that we're overrun by trolls of the highest magnitude.

I love that place, if only for the pickup posts and the fact that multiconsole discussions occasionally occur without system / list wars. This one recurring topic never fails to entertain though.[/quote]Are you sure we visit the same GAF, the one that resides on the internets?

And for the record, whatever the reason, the vast majority of discs at GameStop do in fact look like they've been used as chew toys, I don't know how they do it.
 
[quote name='botticus']Are you sure we visit the same GAF, the one that resides on the internets?[/quote]

I did say occasionally.

[quote name='botticus']And for the record, whatever the reason, the vast majority of discs at GameStop do in fact look like they've been used as chew toys, I don't know how they do it.[/quote]

Maybe it is the majority. As long as I'm able to find a copy of the game I want with a nice manual and scratch-free disc them I'm happy. That's the case more often than not, and one would be hard-pressed to tell which games in my collection were bought new versus used.

I read all of the GameStop horror stories online and I'm really starting to think that the stores in my area are an anamoly. Even the clerks are helpful when you want them to be.
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Look closely and you can spot Apossum in the thread.[/QUOTE]


my home away from home..or is it the other way around these days :lol:

Neofaqs is so unreasonable when it comes to arguments. The best part is--if the thread keeps going, it'll keep coming back to square one with new people rehashing the argument.

this is neofaqs in its purest form--arguing over DMC4 load times (it comes down to fractions of a second):
http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=236012

[quote name='InuFaye']NeoGAF knows how to run a fourm.

also

fuck Gamestop.[/QUOTE]

wait...and you think LinkinPrime is too strict of a mod? I got banned for a fucking month for "winning" an argument with the infamous sp0rsk, who was trolling his own forum. :lol:
 
I was just reading the DMC4 load time thread. Quality stuff. The no-Burnout-online-for-non-HDD-360 thread yesterday was pretty good as well.

Back to the whole NeoGAF vs. Used Games bit though... I've been lurking there for a damn long time and I've yet to figure out if AstroLad (who moves like a moth to a flame whenever CAGs are mentioned) is a joke poster or not. Any NeoGAF veterans have an opinion?
 
[quote name='Caswell']I was just reading the DMC4 load time thread. Quality stuff. The no-Burnout-online-for-non-HDD-360 thread yesterday was pretty good as well.

Back to the whole NeoGAF vs. Used Games bit though... I've been lurking there for a damn long time and I've yet to figure out if AstroLad (who moves like a moth to a flame whenever CAGs are mentioned) is a joke poster or not. Any NeoGAF veterans have an opinion?[/QUOTE]


he's not a joke poster, as in not all of his posts are jokes, but he likes to stir up the kiddies every once in a while with some insane posts about how poor people are ruining the industry and stuff :lol: I'm not sure exactly how much of those are jokes or his beliefs, but I still pay attention to his posts because he's capable of good discussion.

he has a lot of interesting posts about the world of law in the OT forum too.
 
Oh, those poor couple of posters trying to explain copyright law (specifically, the "first sale" doctrine) to video game nerds.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Am I supposed to care what goes on over at NeoGAF?[/quote]

Only if you click on threads that are specifically about what goes on over at NeoGAF.
 
[quote name='Caswell']Only if you click on threads that are specifically about what goes on over at NeoGAF.[/quote]
The thing is, this isn't NeoGAF, this is CAG. If anybody wants to know what goes on over there, they can visit their forums. We don't need updates on their best threads of the day.

Do you post over there about interesting threads on CAG?
 
Maybe you're missing the broader point, which is that a lot of those discussions touch on "Cheap Ass Gaming", citing places like CAG and those of us that don't "support the developers" by waiting for deals, price drops, and used copies as a drain on the video game industry.

Here's another example:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208227

So yeah, the very post I'm linking to on NeoGAF is a post about CAG. Seems relevant enough to me. If you disagree, I'd encourage you to not click on the thread again. See, if enough people are like-minded, the thread will die, and we'll all move on. Aren't message boards great? Our own little meritocracy!
 
[quote name='Caswell']Maybe you're missing the broader point, which is that a lot of those discussions touch on "Cheap Ass Gaming", citing places like CAG and those of us that don't "support the developers" by waiting for deals, price drops, and used copies as a drain on the video game industry.

Here's another example:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208227

So yeah, the very post I'm linking to on NeoGAF is a post about CAG. Seems relevant enough to me. If you disagree, I'd encourage you to not click on the thread again. See, if enough people are like-minded, the thread will die, and we'll all move on. Aren't message boards great? Our own little meritocracy![/QUOTE]
Yeah, but Frisky has a point. If you want to discuss Gamestop making a hell of a lot of money on used games, then make a topic about it. Why do you have to link to Neogaf? Same with the one you posted there. You want to discuss CAGs not being good for the industry, then make a topic about it.

If I want to read topics from Neogaf, I'll go to Neogaf.
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']
If I want to read topics from Neogaf, I'll go to Neogaf.[/quote]

So then why did you click on this thread? Don't worry, that's a rhetorical question.

I'd encourage anyone who doesn't possess the modicum of self-control to not click on (and respond to) a thread they're professing no interest in to simply add me to their ignore list.

I've started mine.
 
Because I assumed your thread topic would be something like:

"I was at Neogaf and saw a thread about used games..."

Not:

"Look at this cool thread from Neogaf!" Then a couple posts later "Hey, look at this cool post from Neogaf!"

And I wasn't going to post, but I felt Frisky brought up a solid point and I gave him a bit of support. Everyone else seems too busy blowing Neogaf.
[quote name='Inufaye']Come on this is far from the worst topic we had had in the ggt.

You act like its AIDS.[/quote]
Turok was far from the worst game I've played. Didn't make it any better.
 
[quote name='InuFaye']lol @ sp0rsk banning possum.

Im still waiting to get in.

6 months and counting![/QUOTE]


just don't try anything crazy for your first couple hundred posts. don't even reply to sp0rsk at all, even if he asks you a perfectly innocent question :lol:
 
[quote name='Rei no Otaku']

Turok was far from the worst game I've played. Didn't make it any better.[/quote]

If thats as bad as you have played you are lucky.
 
[quote name='Caswell']Maybe you're missing the broader point, which is that a lot of those discussions touch on "Cheap Ass Gaming", citing places like CAG and those of us that don't "support the developers" by waiting for deals, price drops, and used copies as a drain on the video game industry.

Here's another example:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=208227

So yeah, the very post I'm linking to on NeoGAF is a post about CAG. Seems relevant enough to me. If you disagree, I'd encourage you to not click on the thread again. See, if enough people are like-minded, the thread will die, and we'll all move on. Aren't message boards great? Our own little meritocracy![/quote]
Somebody posted that a while ago on the basis that it was about people over there hating the site and from what I read, it's actually not about CAG, but the people that don't buy games at launch, but only at sales and clearances and such and how it affects the industry.

Why do some people act like nobody's allowed to post in their thread if they're not going to blindly support it? If you can't handle a discussion on whether the thread has any value to us here, then you might want to head back to NeoGAF. Then again, you've already added me to your ignore list for that reason, so I see where you stand.

If this thread technically deserves to be here, then it's technically in the wrong forum, as you'd want this to be in the Deal Discussion forum instead of the General Gaming forum.
 
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