Omg The October Surprise

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This reminds me of the leak about Bush's drunk driving conviction. What interesting timing.

WASHINGTON – Barack Obama's aunt, a Kenyan woman who has been quietly living in public housing in Boston, is in the United States illegally after an immigration judge rejected her request for asylum four years ago, The Associated Press has learned.

Zeituni Onyango (zay-TUHN on-YANG-oh), referred to as "Aunti Zeituni" in the Democratic presidential candidate's memoir, was instructed to leave the United States by a U.S. immigration judge who denied her asylum request, a person familiar with the matter told the AP late Friday. This person spoke on condition of anonymity because no one was authorized to discuss Onyango's case.
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Aside from the fact I don't care about illegal immigrants, I find that last sentence very interesting. Who would have access to this information? Hmmm. Your average joe cop certainly wouldn't.

Information about the deportation case was disclosed and confirmed by two separate sources, one a federal law enforcement official. The information they made available is known to officials in the federal government, but the AP could not establish whether anyone at a political level in the Bush administration or in the McCain campaign had been involved in its release.
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Wow. Unsolicited like that, and the 4th paragraph... they didn't even try to bury it.

I for one as am fake shocked as King Broly was about Joe the Plumber's info being accessed. I hope that everyone that has ever been or known a conservative comes in here and apologizes for the actions of a couple of campaign scumbags.

Seriously though, is this all they have? Gotta lulz on that...
 
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This came out a few days ago. :p

Also, didn't Obama's dad leave when he was a kid? How would he even know this lady aside from the slight possibility of a few awkward chance meetings.
 
[quote name='gaxur']It's the first of November.[/QUOTE]
Yea, but November surprise just doesn't have the same ring, ya know?
 
[quote name='billyrox']thats not really news. maybe more mexicans will vote for him now[/QUOTE]
Just as an aside, I personally know more illegal immigrants from India and (of all places) Ireland than I do from Mexico. And I live in Houston.

So maybe more Indians and Irish will vote for him too.
 
[quote name='speedracer']Just as an aside, I personally know more illegal immigrants from India and (of all places) Ireland than I do from Mexico. And I live in Houston.

So maybe more Indians and Irish will vote for him too.[/quote]

very nice:)
 
as an aside... it was a nice October Surprise that gas dropped so low... ( mostly due to the economy)

I do wonder though if it will shoot back up immediately after Nov4 th
 
Did Obama's aunt or grandmother claim our Savior was born in Kenya?

I've been reading a lot of crazy stuff lately. They're fixated on proving Obama isn't an American citizen.

I suppose they're right. How could an American be named Barack Obama?

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Regarding gas prices, they really depends.

US consumption isn't going to pick up even with the need for heating oil this winter.

If McCain wins, he'll use all of his political will keeping the US in Iraq. More uncertainty will lead to higher oil and gas prices. "Drill, Baby, Drill" won't have a positive effect on SUPPLY until Palin would be up for reelection.

If Obama wins, who knows? If he pulls out of Iraq, all of that uncertainty goes away. IF he actually builds a green economy akin to the Pickens' Plan (giant welfare handout to wind farms) or greater, OPEC will all but collapse.

Then again, both McCain and Obama are politicians. They're both lying about something. It's anybody's guess as to what.
 
i heard she hates Israel, thinks god hates america and, is the president of the Communist/Socialist party.. At least thats what this guy said to me.. I think his name was Unnamed Source.
 
[quote name='depascal22']The same unnamed source told me that she performs black market abortions in a chapel.[/quote]

That's a given. Every president of the Communist party performs abortions. :lol:
 
[quote name='fatherofcaitlyn']That's a given. Every president of the Communist party performs abortions. :lol:[/quote]

yes apparently, he's a Marxist, communist, socialist, baby killer, muslim, etc

however, i'm pretty sure that it all stems from a deep seated insecurity that he's black and they can't stand it.:roll:
 
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[quote name='speedracer']Yea, but November surprise just doesn't have the same ring, ya know?[/quote]

If I ever own a boat...I'm going to name it the "November Surprise"
 
[quote name='Xevious']If I ever own a boat...I'm going to name it the "November Surprise"[/quote]

that's a really nice name actually
 
Remember kids, when/if Obama wins on Election Day, it means that over half the country supports:

Socialism / Redistribution of Wealth
Marxism
Muslim-ism :)
Sex Education for Kindergartners
Domestic Terrorism
Illegal Immigration

and just to cover anything that might happen in the last 2 days:

Premature Ejaculation into the eye of a clown.

~HotShotX
 
[quote name='Xevious']If I ever own a boat...I'm going to name it the "November Surprise"[/quote]

[quote name='billyrox']that's a really nice name actually[/quote]

As long as you don't have a kid who was born in November.
 
[quote name='HotShotX']Remember kids, when/if Obama wins on Election Day, it means that over half the country supports:

Socialism / Redistribution of Wealth
Marxism
Muslim-ism :)
Sex Education for Kindergartners
Domestic Terrorism
Illegal Immigration

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Nah, it just means that over half the country is a bunch of politically correct suckers who want to vote for the black "friend" they never had...

This election as well as the last few have shown H.L. Mencken to be correct:

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."
 
I don't see how someone that went to Columbia and Harvard Law School could be considered a moron. Conservatives have been bashing Obama for being an elitist this whole time and now you want us to think that he's a moron? Please.

Face it, BigT. The majority of the country wants change and not from a guy that's in the same party as good ole' GW. The beautiful thing about GW is that America has figured out it isn't the person that gets elected but the party that makes the biggest impact on our lives. McCain can go off about being a maverick all he wants but if he was a real maverick, he would run as an independent. God knows he has enough money to do it.
 
[quote name='BigT']Nah, it just means that over half the country is a bunch of politically correct suckers who want to vote for the black "friend" they never had...

This election as well as the last few have shown H.L. Mencken to be correct:

"As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart's desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron."[/QUOTE]

Now that's just trolling.

I'd say what it shows is that people are either (1) sick to death of idiotic Republican "lie to your face about small government, not interfering in your life, enforcing meritocracy, and fiscal/moral/ethical responsibility" policies or are (2) so in love with Democrat policies of more spending, more government, and fighting against the corporate oligarchy the Republicans have built that they're willing to vote for a person in SPITE of their race.

Think about what Barack Obama's heritage has brought during this election. Accusation that he's anti-American, he's not an American citizen, he's secretly a terrorist, his name suggest that he's not American (based on the fervent negatively implied usage of "Hussein" to keep the simpletons in line), he's not in favor of "whites," he'll help "the blacks," etc. That his running for president has not only NOT shown racism to be dead, but not we can see genuine domestic terrorists like Randall Terry *attending* McCain/Palin rallies, but also high-ranking members of white supremacist organizations flagrantly and proudly declaring their white supremacist stances when attending McCain/Palin rallies (as crowd, mind, and not guests of the candidates). That we have had people speaking at McCain/Palin rallies working up the crowd and motivating them to vote by virtue of presenting the fearful image of black people going to the polls!

That, in spite of this, Obama has a high statistical probability of winning. It doesn't show that racism is dead, it doesn't show that people are simply looking forward to voting based on his minority stance, but in fact, in spite of it and the attacks its brought on him.

If you consider those who are voting for McCain, they tend to vocalize very little, if anything, about his policies. They claim they can't vote for a socialist, or a black man, or a Muslim, or someone with the name "Hussein." What policies of McCain/Palin make you proud to vote for him, if you vote for him? So, at the bare minimum, the intellectual simpletons are pretty equally distributed on the right and the left. What's more likely is that white racism and ethnocentrism are helping McCain and hurting Obama disproportionately.
 
GW Bush went to yale. Does that preclude him from being a moron?
A lot of these school, which are controlled by hardcore liberals, have been watered down over the years through their hardons for the progeny of rich alumni and minorities...
 
[quote name='BigT']GW Bush went to yale. Does that preclude him from being a moron?
A lot of these school, which are controlled by hardcore liberals, have been watered down over the years through their hardons for the progeny of rich alumni and minorities...[/quote]

Because he got in on legacy. Did you forget that his father went there? He was also a C student while he was there. Bush sat back and let Karl Rove get him elected as governor and president.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Now that's just trolling.

I'd say what it shows is that people are either (1) sick to death of idiotic Republican "lie to your face about small government, not interfering in your life, enforcing meritocracy, and fiscal/moral/ethical responsibility" policies or are (2) so in love with Democrat policies of more spending, more government, and fighting against the corporate oligarchy the Republicans have built that they're willing to vote for a person in SPITE of their race.
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See there you go... you just can't admit that racism is not that big of an issue overall in the US (though it may be in some localized areas). Haven't you noticed, being black is cool now... hip hop culture, sports, ebonics... being a generic white guy like me is so 1950s... :D

Think about what Barack Obama's heritage has brought during this election. Accusation that he's anti-American, he's not an American citizen, he's secretly a terrorist, his name suggest that he's not American (based on the fervent negatively implied usage of "Hussein" to keep the simpletons in line), he's not in favor of "whites," he'll help "the blacks," etc. That his running for president has not only NOT shown racism to be dead, but not we can see genuine domestic terrorists like Randall Terry *attending* McCain/Palin rallies, but also high-ranking members of white supremacist organizations flagrantly and proudly declaring their white supremacist stances when attending McCain/Palin rallies (as crowd, mind, and not guests of the candidates). That we have had people speaking at McCain/Palin rallies working up the crowd and motivating them to vote by virtue of presenting the fearful image of black people going to the polls!
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If he were a black man named Chris Jackson and didn't dress up as a Somali Warlord, I doubt that anyone would bring up that he may be Muslim. It's common sense: if I was running airport security and someone named Barack Hussein Obama came through I'd sure as hell screen him to a greater degree than Chris Jackson.
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That, in spite of this, Obama has a high statistical probability of winning. It doesn't show that racism is dead, it doesn't show that people are simply looking forward to voting based on his minority stance, but in fact, in spite of it and the attacks its brought on him.
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You just can't admit that racism isn't that big of an issue anymore, can you? Well good luck trying to argue that in spite of the evidence if Obama is elected. If Obama loses, I'll agree with you that the US is racist. Obama did a great job in the campaign, except for the absolutely horrible "spread the wealth" gaff. McCain has been absolutely terrible campaigning... his level of incompetence during this campaign rivals that of Michael Dukakis 1988, Al Gore 2000 and John Kerry 2004. Congrats McCain! If Obama loses, it will be because: 1) people are racist. 2) Joe the Plumber eliciting the "spread the wealth" comment.

If you consider those who are voting for McCain, they tend to vocalize very little, if anything, about his policies. They claim they can't vote for a socialist, or a black man, or a Muslim, or someone with the name "Hussein." What policies of McCain/Palin make you proud to vote for him, if you vote for him? So, at the bare minimum, the intellectual simpletons are pretty equally distributed on the right and the left. What's more likely is that white racism and ethnocentrism are helping McCain and hurting Obama disproportionately.
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McCain is a joke. He's a moderate who attemptd to run as a pretty right wing guy... bad move... There's nothing special about McCain. As far as Obama is concerned, his proposals do have socialist tendencies, his name sounds muslim, and he is black (of course you will find a subset of ppl in the US who are racist!)... so the factors you bring up are understandable. I agree with your last statement, but perhaps the degree to which these factors come into play is in dispute... we'll see in a few days how the vote turns out!
 
Being black is cool but don't ever think that we're having an easy time in this country. Rappers, basketball players, and any other rich black man still fall prey to the greedy agent/lawyer/financial advisor.
 
[quote name='BigT']See there you go... you just can't admit that racism is not that big of an issue overall in the US (though it may be in some localized areas).[/QUOTE]

Ah, the' old racist-denial-and-racist-admittance in one single sentence. Sweet.

You trying to tell me race doesn't matter is akin to me telling you that you don't know what you're doing in the OR, just so you know. Race is one of my major areas of research, so you trying to deny its pervasiveness in American society is like me telling you there are just a handful or isolated cases of Autism diagnosed every year - it's a severe underestimate, and it's wrong.

What this election has shown you is that the debate can have racist elements (see the "is Obama even an American citizen?" debate, coupled with actual civil suits filed to get his birth certificate verified) and that it's located in the sphere of the major news media. Moreover, that members of the semi-average aspect of the right-wing blogosphere can actually put together a post claiming that Obama is the love child of Malcolm X is not something indicative of your diminishing racism.

Now, I don't think we live in Joe Feagin's world, where he claims that 26% of white Americans will not vote for Obama solely because he is black. But we do live in a world where we question the loyalty to the country of a man based on paranoid and illogical evidence that wouldn't even be given the time of day by the wingnuts were the candidate a white man.
 
Jesus Christ BigT, you become more of a joke with every post. There are certainly valid reasons to support conservative policies and to be against liberal ones, but this shit is stupid.
 
[quote name='BigT']GW Bush went to yale. Does that preclude him from being a moron?
A lot of these school, which are controlled by hardcore liberals, have been watered down over the years through their hardons for the progeny of rich alumni and minorities...[/QUOTE]

They do not let you be President of the Harvard law review for anything else but merit.

As I said before people, BigT probably never made it through junior high let alone med school.

P.s. Kenya is overwhelmingly Christian.
 
[quote name='Msut77']As I said before people, BigT probably never made it through junior high let alone med school.
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You can keep believing that if it makes you happy, but the diplomas hanging on my wall, the national board of medical examiners, and the medical board of California would beg to differ... (you are right that my political beliefs were in the minority in med school... judging by 2004, it was like 90% dem to 10% rep).

Obviously in our society it's much more cool to be hip than to excel in school, so I'll refrain from discussing my GPA, National Merit Finalist status, SAT, MCAT, shelf exams, USMLE step 1, 2ck, 2cs, and 3 scores...

Just because someone has ideas that you do not agree with, doesn't mean they aren't smart or lack the capacity for achievement...

...besides, Josef Mengele was an MD too... J/K... ;)
 
[quote name='BigT']Just because someone has ideas that you do not agree with, doesn't mean they aren't smart or lack the capacity for achievement.[/QUOTE]

Maybe my expectations are too high but I do expect someone claiming higher education to you know not be clueless about well every fucking thing we have had a "discussion" about.

I suppose it is possible that med schools are run like trade schools only with more viscera dangling about but still.
 
[quote name='BigT']GW Bush went to yale. Does that preclude him from being a moron?
A lot of these school, which are controlled by hardcore liberals, have been watered down over the years through their hardons for the progeny of rich alumni and minorities...[/QUOTE]
I don't know how they do it in med school, but quality law schools only allow the top 10% of a class to be on law review. Also, grades are given based on blind tests, meaning the professor doesn't know who's paper they're grading. On top of that, editors of law review are voted in by their law review peers. It is the peers' best interests to have the best candidate get on as editor. It is the embodiment of meritocracy when it works, which is much more often than not.

Sure, slugs get into schools great and small. Law Review is not someplace you can buy your way on. Even write-ons are generally regarded somewhat less than grade ons.

To be the editor in chief of any law review is a stunning achievement for an individual. To be the first minority editor of the Harvard Law Review is unbelievable. To write off that kind of achievement and dedication bears true foolishness.

Guess they didn't teach you that in med school.

Haven't you noticed, being black is cool now... hip hop culture, sports, ebonics... being a generic white guy like me is so 1950s... :D
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You're dating yourself. That is the view point of Gen X'ers, and was long ago discarded by the newer generations. Let's hope the idiocy of that dies with our generation, eh?
 
WOW... just saw a Reverend Wright Attack ad bad mouthing obama on tv... i thought and mcain didn't even endorse it. is this the new swiftboat ad?
 
I plead total ignorance when it comes to how law review selection works.

Many medical schools, especially the top ones are pass/not pass. Getting in is the hard part. Once you are in, the assumption is that you are qualified enough to pass. It is possible to flunk out, but it would be difficult to do so (in rare cases, schools will provide tutoring to those who don't pass the first 2 years; clinical years are hard to fail unless you are a lazy prick). Still, you do have to work hard because many schools offer Honors or other Distinctions in addition to pass/not pass (sometimes these go only to the top 3-5 student per course; in the clinical year, these are mainly based on a combo of shelf exam scores and kissing ass), so they are hard to get... not to mention, one has to study for boards to get a good Step 1 score, which is important for residency applications. I can't comment much on osteopathic or Caribbean medical schools, because I have no experience with them, but apparently I've heard that the Caribbeans tend to flunk out quite a large percentage of people (makes sense... lower barrier for entry... and then they try to weed out those who are not qualified, while grabbing their money).

I'd be interested to see what Obama's LSAT was... in either case, my objection to Obama is with regards to his child-like trust in the power of government to solve our problems. Plus, higher taxes won't be fun...
 
Yeah, its incredibly hard to become elected of the Harvard Law Review. Obama worked his ass off at Harvard and had amazing grades. In addition to that, the Harvard Law Review's President is the most prestigious position at Harvard Law, and a person must be elected to become President.

At the time, Obama had to run against 18 other amazing applicants to win the position. It was not given to him... he had no name or legacy at Harvard Law....he worked hard to become the first black president of the journal.
 
[quote name='BigT']I'd be interested to see what Obama's LSAT was.[/QUOTE]

There's something to be said for the benign racism of perpetually asking for proper documentation of excellent performance, and not holding others to those same standards of scrutiny. I'm glad you'd like more information on a candidate, and encourage sating curiosity. But I'd caution against uneven application of doubt and concern.

894/899. Do you know what I mean with those numbers?
 
[quote name='mykevermin']There's something to be said for the benign racism of perpetually asking for proper documentation of excellent performance, and not holding others to those same standards of scrutiny. I'm glad you'd like more information on a candidate, and encourage sating curiosity. But I'd caution against uneven application of doubt and concern.

894/899. Do you know what I mean with those numbers?[/quote]

As a quick reply, I'd assume that it's McCain's rank in school... 5th from the bottom, right? I think I already pointed out that I believe he's a moron.

About the grades... I'm just nosy like that, especially since a large part of my early life was spent chasing grades/GPAs... but such is life :)
 
[quote name='billyrox']Yeah, its incredibly hard to become elected of the Harvard Law Review. Obama worked his ass off at Harvard and had amazing grades. In addition to that, the Harvard Law Review's President is the most prestigious position at Harvard Law, and a person must be elected to become President.

At the time, Obama had to run against 18 other amazing applicants to win the position. It was not given to him... he had no name or legacy at Harvard Law....he worked hard to become the first black president of the journal.[/quote]

I read the article you cited in your other post. I also found another one from the New York Times:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260

Here's an excerpt:
Change in Selection System Mr. Obama was elected after a meeting of the review's 80 editors that convened Sunday and lasted until early this morning, a participant said.
Until the 1970's the editors were picked on the basis of grades, and the president of the Law Review was the student with the highest academic rank. Among these were Elliot L. Richardson, the former Attorney General, and Irwin Griswold, a dean of the Harvard Law School and Solicitor General under Presidents Lyndon B. Johnson and Richard M. Nixon.
That system came under attack in the 1970's and was replaced by a program in which about half the editors are chosen for their grades and the other half are chosen by fellow students after a special writing competition. The new system, disputed when it began, was meant to help insure that minority students became editors of The Law Review.
Harvard, like a number of other top law schools, no longer ranks its law students for any purpose including a guide to recruiters.
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You make the assertion that Obama had amazing grades at Harvard. Do you have a citation for that. It appears from this article that he did not necessarily have the highest grade (half were chosen by a writing competition). From the info in the article, I cannot conclude whether Obama was chosen by grades or the writing competition. He could have just been popular... I kind of see how that could happen given this election... he's a master politician!

I'm no expert on law schools, but I would imagine (from my experience for awards I've received or been snubbed for) that they would have some grade cutoff for the writing competition, but it's hard to tell from the available data.
 
[quote name='BigT']I read the article you cited in your other post. I also found another one from the New York Times:
http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9C0CE2DC1631F935A35751C0A966958260

Here's an excerpt:
You make the assertion that Obama had amazing grades at Harvard. Do you have a citation for that. It appears from this article that he did not necessarily have the highest grade (half were chosen by a writing competition). From the info in the article, I cannot conclude whether Obama was chosen by grades or the writing competition. He could have just been popular... I kind of see how that could happen given this election... he's a master politician!

I'm no expert on law schools, but I would imagine (from my experience for awards I've received or been snubbed for) that they would have some grade cutoff for the writing competition, but it's hard to tell from the available data.[/quote]



If you dont believe my assertion. I dont really care. i'm not lying about his good grades at harvard. i dont have the time now to find you a source. i'm sure dr. Google has some more info if you are interested.

from my recollection, he graduated manga cum laude from Harvard Law.
 
It is just me or is BigT trying to say there is absolutely no connection between grades and say what is being referred to as writing skills?
As if they were a completely unconnected skill like Obama's ability to make a jump shot.
 
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[quote name='BigT']You make the assertion that Obama had amazing grades at Harvard. Do you have a citation for that.[/quote]
By virtue of grading on to law review, you are at worst in the top 10%. I think it's fair to say, regardless of personal political feelings, that the guy doesn't strike anyone as someone that snuck onto something like law review by the skin of his teeth. I think it's a reasonable assumption we can work under that the guy works his ass off and has real talent. Besides, the finer point here is that he is somewhere in the top 10% of arguably the best law school in the world. That's gotta come with some credit.

It appears from this article that he did not necessarily have the highest grade (half were chosen by a writing competition).
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Write ons, as I alluded to earlier, are those that didn't come in top 10% but show considerable talent in the field of legal writing. As someone with personal insight, I can say they are valued because of the merit they bring to the table, and meritocracy is the point of law review. However, write ons are still perceived as having lesser skill (or work ethic) by many grade ons. I don't think it's fair, but it's water under the bridge really.

He could have just been popular... I kind of see how that could happen given this election... he's a master politician!
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Not just popular with the cool kid liberals, but Obama received support from the conservative law group on campus as well. To be editor in chief of law review means you have an extra super gold star on your resume, and everyone wants that job. For someone ideologically opposed to you giving you support, it means you have insane political skills. I think that's a feather in his cap, not something to be questioned cynically.
I'm no expert on law schools, but I would imagine (from my experience for awards I've received or been snubbed for) that they would have some grade cutoff for the writing competition, but it's hard to tell from the available data.
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Write ons at the schools I'm familiar with is open to everyone, but is extremely difficult because law review is seen as the ticket to the highest paying jobs. Those that miss via grading on do their absolute best to write on for the very limited write on spaces. The difference in salary between someone on law review and someone that's not can easily be $50,000 or more, probably more at a place like Harvard.

Just as an illustration of this law school law review world, I know two people in their second year of law school at a tier 3 school right now. One is a grade on to law review, the other missed grading on and was rejected as a write on. The grade on is entertaining multiple (7 at last count) hard offers of $160,000+ as we speak, while the other is looking at soft offers (2) of around $50-70k.

That's what law review means to law students and firms. There's nothing unearned about it. Everyone knows what's at stake, and that's what makes law review so powerful. Anyone on any law review anywhere is a hard worker. No one on law review should have their effort or achievement questioned.
 
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