Paul "Resident Evil" Anderson to direct Castlevania...

I think Anderson has been more hit than miss. The Resident Evils got the spirit of the game right inn my opinion, even if liberties were taken. Same with Mortal Kombat I. Alien v. Predator should have been rated 'R', but for what it was, made a decent popcorn movie. I liked Soldier and Event Horizon was watchable. The last two were not videogame related, but still worth noting.
 
"Worth noting" and "popcorn" are not good enough to change people's opinions of the genre.

I hated the Resident Evils. As crappy zombie flicks with shitty acting, effects, pacing and sloppy CG they excelled. Mortal Kombat was awesome... when I was 16. And AVP was a joke. It was so bad, that it actually degraded the rich history of both franchises. Don't forget that Paul WS Anderson was the original Uwe Boll. He used to be made fun of constantly in industry articles. Its also important to note that many times Boll has stated that he aspires to be as talented as Paul WS Anderson, which clearly isn't saying much.
 
A little off-topic, but does anyone know if there is a list compiled of all the movies that are coming out that are based on video games? It seems like I learn about a new movie every week.
 
I heard rumors that they were changing the tax loophole that allows Uwe Boll to produce his schlock. Gamerankings had a link to a Gamespot article about it, but the article wasn't actually there, just a headline.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Tho' Reese Witherspoon would make a fantastic Alucard.[/QUOTE]

Kirsten Dunst has the Victor von Wolfentooth look going on.
 
Since its Anderson, I'm betting that Milla Jovovich will somehow be written in to the script. Either as Mina or as some made up female heroine.
 
I'd love to see a good video game movie but let's be honest, most every video game has a very simplistic plot that doesn't translate well to a 2 hour movie. Some of the Final Fantasys would seem to make great movies but they are meant to be played over 40 hours - I wonder if you could cram everything into 2 hours. Metal Gear is another franchise that seems to have a little more story but rogue military super agents has been done to death in Hollywood and that's what Jason Bourne is for... I don't know.

I've never really played a game that I thought would easily make a great movie without taking a ton of liberties with the license. I think a Metroid movie would be cool in theory but we've never even heard Samus speak and her enemies are all aliens (and presumably non-english speaking). I'm very curious to see what Peter Jackson does with Halo - it's probably the best shot for mainstream movies taking this crap seriously...
 
Not all bad, It could be worst Uwe Boll could be making the movie.

Actually I don't see the big deal about Paul Anderson, I've actually been happy with his videogame based movies. I liked Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, AvP and Resident Evil: Apocalypse. And I'm excited to see Dead or Alive and Resident Evil 3.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I'm betting that there will be:

No whip.
No castle.
No Dracula.[/QUOTE]

You forgot no plot.
 
[quote name='CapAmerica']I liked Mortal Kombat, Resident Evil, AvP and Resident Evil: Apocalypse. And I'm excited to see Dead or Alive and Resident Evil 3.[/QUOTE]

You have very low standards for movies, and as has been said many times about the numerous mediocre games currently in production, "if you keep paying to see, rent or purchase such subpar products, the producers of such schlock will simply keep making more." :cry:
 
o_O... I guess I don't have the pretentous asshole gene required to be a film critic. The name of the game was MORTAL KOMBAT. It was about people fighting to the death for a goal that no one really cared about. Its even spelt with a K. At what point in time did you think the movie was going to be a cinematic masterpiece?

Movies will always remain second class. If they stay true to the game people bitch because there was too much fan service and it didn't appeal to the mass market. If they try to elaborate/edit/fleshout/change parts of the game story people bitch because they 'sold out' or tried to appeal to the common man.

OMG! teh X-men (loLZ tehy r women!) movie sukkd bcuz hu(g)e Jack(ass)man is 6'2" and wolverine is only 5'4"/ TE!H WORSTE MOVY EVAR!!!!!

I just don't understand people like you. The games get badmouthed for having lack luster voice acting and hackneyed plots, yet you piss and moan when movies don't follow them to the letter!

So liberties were taken to make the movie more accessable. Big fucking deal. Are you going to cry about Green Goblin throwing MJ off the bridge when it was actually Gwen Stacy in the comics? Of course you will. You obviously have nothing better to do, like enjoying the movie for what it is.

The average video game is about 20 hours long. The average comic book is about 20 YEARS long. A 2 hour movie isn't going to be able to abide by every single minute detail and still be easily comprehendable/enjoyable by the average consumer, if anyone at all. Even when people try and throw in extra ties people bitch because it 'feels forced'. Oh my god! Chewbaca in SW ep 3 was retawded because its like... his homeplanet! He doesnt belong there!!!!!!!113441!


Just watch the damn movie and shut the hell up. -_-
 
[quote name='Kayden']o_O... I guess I don't have the pretentous asshole gene required to be a film critic. The name of the game was MORTAL KOMBAT. It was about people fighting to the death for a goal that no one really cared about.[/QUOTE]


They were fighting for the fate of the world. I'd hate to see where Earth Realm would be if Liu Kang hadn't been the Mortal Kombat champion.

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[quote name='Kayden']OMG! teh X-men (loLZ tehy r women!) movie sukkd bcuz hu(g)e Jack(ass)man is 6'2" and wolverine is only 5'4"/ TE!H WORSTE MOVY EVAR!!!!![/QUOTE]

Y'know, I still like Hugh Jackman as an actor, and he did an excellent job as Wolverine; however, having found out that they actually *did* try to cast Glenn Danzing as Wolverine (which he turned down due to other commitments) still breaks my heart.
 
[quote name='Kayden']o_O... I guess I don't have the pretentous asshole gene required to be a film critic. The name of the game was MORTAL KOMBAT. It was about people fighting to the death for a goal that no one really cared about. Its even spelt with a K. At what point in time did you think the movie was going to be a cinematic masterpiece?

Movies will always remain second class. If they stay true to the game people bitch because there was too much fan service and it didn't appeal to the mass market. If they try to elaborate/edit/fleshout/change parts of the game story people bitch because they 'sold out' or tried to appeal to the common man.

OMG! teh X-men (loLZ tehy r women!) movie sukkd bcuz hu(g)e Jack(ass)man is 6'2" and wolverine is only 5'4"/ TE!H WORSTE MOVY EVAR!!!!!

I just don't understand people like you. The games get badmouthed for having lack luster voice acting and hackneyed plots, yet you piss and moan when movies don't follow them to the letter!

So liberties were taken to make the movie more accessable. Big fucking deal. Are you going to cry about Green Goblin throwing MJ off the bridge when it was actually Gwen Stacy in the comics? Of course you will. You obviously have nothing better to do, like enjoying the movie for what it is.

The average video game is about 20 hours long. The average comic book is about 20 YEARS long. A 2 hour movie isn't going to be able to abide by every single minute detail and still be easily comprehendable/enjoyable by the average consumer, if anyone at all. Even when people try and throw in extra ties people bitch because it 'feels forced'. Oh my god! Chewbaca in SW ep 3 was retawded because its like... his homeplanet! He doesnt belong there!!!!!!!113441!


Just watch the damn movie and shut the hell up. -_-[/QUOTE]

Word. :applause:
 
[quote name='Kayden']o_O... I guess I don't have the pretentous asshole gene required to be a film critic. The name of the game was MORTAL KOMBAT. It was about people fighting to the death for a goal that no one really cared about. Its even spelt with a K. At what point in time did you think the movie was going to be a cinematic masterpiece?

Movies will always remain second class. If they stay true to the game people bitch because there was too much fan service and it didn't appeal to the mass market. If they try to elaborate/edit/fleshout/change parts of the game story people bitch because they 'sold out' or tried to appeal to the common man.

OMG! teh X-men (loLZ tehy r women!) movie sukkd bcuz hu(g)e Jack(ass)man is 6'2" and wolverine is only 5'4"/ TE!H WORSTE MOVY EVAR!!!!!

I just don't understand people like you. The games get badmouthed for having lack luster voice acting and hackneyed plots, yet you piss and moan when movies don't follow them to the letter!

So liberties were taken to make the movie more accessable. Big fucking deal. Are you going to cry about Green Goblin throwing MJ off the bridge when it was actually Gwen Stacy in the comics? Of course you will. You obviously have nothing better to do, like enjoying the movie for what it is.

The average video game is about 20 hours long. The average comic book is about 20 YEARS long. A 2 hour movie isn't going to be able to abide by every single minute detail and still be easily comprehendable/enjoyable by the average consumer, if anyone at all. Even when people try and throw in extra ties people bitch because it 'feels forced'. Oh my god! Chewbaca in SW ep 3 was retawded because its like... his homeplanet! He doesnt belong there!!!!!!!113441!


Just watch the damn movie and shut the hell up. -_-[/QUOTE]

I haven't read nearly as many complaints about Wolverine and Spiderman's changes as I have about what Anderson and Boll have done. And you know why? Because people can get over it because the movies are still GOOD, made by people who respect the source material.
Anderson is not the worst case scenario, but I can't say that I have much hope at this moment. His Mortal Kombat was fun stuff, it captured the spirit of the game while keeping it interesting. Resident Evil was at most average, but all the changes just proved Anderson has no idea what made these games popular to begin with, and that fact was even further proved when Apocalypse was released. Did some of you see the same movie I did? How can you possibly enjoy that overwrought piece of crap. And as for AvP.....jesus.....just jesus.....
With Paul Anderson attached, in his current downslide, the best we can hope for is a Van Helsing clone. Which means its gonna suck.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I'm betting that there will be:

No whip.
No castle.
No Dracula.[/QUOTE]

:lol:

it'll take place in downtown NYC in a series of spooky apartment buildings.
 
You obviously have nothing better to do, like enjoying the movie for what it is.
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What? A piece of shit? Videogame movies don't even meet the standard of bad non-videogame movies. They are all garbage and will apparently continue to be.

Just watch the damn movie and shut the hell up. -_-
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If throwing away $10+ on crappy movies is your thing then great, but keep it to yourself. Unlike you, most people like spending their money on something good at the theatre.
 
The Gungrave anime is proof positive that you can take an average/slightly above-average video game and translate it into kick ass movie/series. The problem is, we're never going to get the quality to increase until there is at least one exceptional video-game-based film to raise the bar, which is exactly what the studios don't want because then they would actually have to put significant effort into the production.
 
Just when Christophe Gans is finishing Silent Hill, I thought Konami had enough sense to hire quality production teams to work on films based on it's games but judging the movie Tokimeki Memorial (being totally off from the main film plot) and Anderson's track record, as the only live action Konami film produced, I have major doubts with this one.

At least his team didn't get the rights to Gunstar Heroes.
 
The two RE movies did not represent the RE series of games well at all. The horrible writing and liberties taken in both made them painful to watch. IMO, the only decent game-based movies were Mortal Kombat and both Tomb Raider films. Not that any of these were masterpieces, but they did capture the feel of the games. They are the only ones I have been able to watch without feeling afterwards that irreversible damage had been done to the represented franchise.

I think it will be difficult for even Paul Anderson to fuck up a movie based on the Castlevania series. They have so much source material to draw from and the plot is very easy to follow: Fight through castle, kill Dracula. They can't stray far from that formula, so I can't see this being a total disaster.
 
[quote name='guardian_owl']"The problem is, we're never going to get the quality to increase until there is at least one exceptional video-game-based film to raise the bar, which is exactly what the studios don't want because then they would actually have to put significant effort into the production.[/QUOTE]

Did everyone forget the awesome and moving film Super Mario Bros? That movie changed the course of cinematic history.

Anyways, videogames can't be made into movies without some level of alteration. If we had gone into the theaters and saw a shot-by-shot remake of Resident Evil, we would have sat through 1 1/2 hours of Chris or Jill running out of ammo, sovling lame puzzles, and dying 100's of times. Did you really expect any film maker to include the compelling drama that comes from mixing green and red herbs?

and for those that complain about waisting 10 dollars on crappy movies, do your research, read reviews and such before you plop ten dollars down.

And yes, Uwe Boll is the Frank Stallone of directors and his films are not worth the film they are printed on.
 
I have to agree with Kayden. Calling the RE movies "a POS" is just being super-anal. I'm not saying you have to love them, but they're not *that* bad.
Apparently some of your expectations are so high that if something fails to meet them, you absolutely hate it. Well, that usually makes you an annoying fanboy.

Good things about RE:
-Explains some backstory of RE 1
-The mansion of RE 1 is in it
-I think the CG zombie and zombie dog effects are cool
-Zombie dogs, did you get that?
-Good fast-paced action

RE Apocolypse:
-Ties very closely to RE 3 (even if RE3 is the worst of the real RE games)
-The Nemesis is big and tough (while some people complain about it, I like it)
-Nudity! Zombie naked chicks, that's fun
-Comic relief from the black guy (which again some will complain about)
-More real RE characters

So what if the acting isn't Oscar-worthy? These are action/horror movies and you shouldn't whine about the acting so damn much (same applies to Doom). So liberties were taken with the stories. That's how it goes. We're lucky so many real elements of the games made it into those 2 films (compared to Super Mario or House of the Dead), for example).

Mortal Kombat is also quite good, despite the lack of violence and "Where's KANO?!?!?!?!"-ing of Sonya. Of course, MK Armageddon was very bad, but still had a great soundtrack and crazy-#s of MK characters thrown in.

Also, I gotta say I like Doom, but the storyline changes went too far... It's not that Doom-like outside of the many references and appearances of the monsters.
Yet it's a fun movie, and I'm not going to be stuck-up about an action movie, or game movies in general.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Y'know, I still like Hugh Jackman as an actor, and he did an excellent job as Wolverine; however, having found out that they actually *did* try to cast Glenn Danzing as Wolverine (which he turned down due to other commitments) still breaks my heart.[/QUOTE]
I like the music and he does have the body... but he looks a bit too much like Meatloaf for me.

[quote name='shipwreck']They were fighting for the fate of the world. I'd hate to see where Earth Realm would be if Liu Kang hadn't been the Mortal Kombat champion.[/QUOTE]

I know that and you know that, but how many people gathered that from the first game. I said it in the way I did to indicate the story wasn't really important in the first game.

[quote name='guardian_owl']The Gungrave anime is proof positive that you can take an average/slightly above-average video game and translate it into kick ass movie/series. The problem is, we're never going to get the quality to increase until there is at least one exceptional video-game-based film to raise the bar, which is exactly what the studios don't want because then they would actually have to put significant effort into the production.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't GunGrave a great anime that got turned into a mediocre game?

[quote name='p00p']I haven't read nearly as many complaints about Wolverine and Spiderman's changes as I have about what Anderson and Boll have done. And you know why? Because people can get over it because the movies are still GOOD, made by people who respect the source material.
Anderson is not the worst case scenario, but I can't say that I have much hope at this moment. His Mortal Kombat was fun stuff, it captured the spirit of the game while keeping it interesting. Resident Evil was at most average, but all the changes just proved Anderson has no idea what made these games popular to begin with, and that fact was even further proved when Apocalypse was released. Did some of you see the same movie I did? How can you possibly enjoy that overwrought piece of crap. And as for AvP.....jesus.....just jesus.....
With Paul Anderson attached, in his current downslide, the best we can hope for is a Van Helsing clone. Which means its gonna suck.[/QUOTE]

Whats wrong with AVP? I thought the acting was good, the effects were good, the action was good... It wasn't locked in the jungle/spaceship with a bad ass monster like the original good. But on its own merits, it was decently entertaining. But I didn't read any of the comics.

I thought RE:A was good. Granted, the bioengineered Alice type wasn't in the games, but its not a stretch by any means. RE4 has no tie to any RE except for Leon and Ada. No zombies, no T virus- hell the enemies are aliens. Still a good game though. Its different in the same way RE:A is. It takes familiar concepts and puts them in a new light. Still out numbered but you have more ammo. Also... would you really want the movie to feature Alice wandering the mansion looking for the spade key to open the spade door to get the red jewel that looks like it may fit into the mounted deer skull in the room loked by the diamond key that you had to push the pillars to find the key that was in a vat of acid that you had to dillute with chemicals found in the toolshed that you had to unlock by entering the proper phases of the moon.... I think you get my point. Would it have made a good suspense movie? Yes, but that doesn't mean action heavy made it horrible.
 
[quote name='doctorfaustus']Did everyone forget the awesome and moving film Super Mario Bros? That movie changed the course of cinematic history.

Anyways, videogames can't be made into movies without some level of alteration. If we had gone into the theaters and saw a shot-by-shot remake of Resident Evil, we would have sat through 1 1/2 hours of Chris or Jill running out of ammo, sovling lame puzzles, and dying 100's of times. Did you really expect any film maker to include the compelling drama that comes from mixing green and red herbs?

and for those that complain about waisting 10 dollars on crappy movies, do your research, read reviews and such before you plop ten dollars down.

And yes, Uwe Boll is the Frank Stallone of directors and his films are not worth the film they are printed on.[/QUOTE]

Thanks for reminding me. SMB was a great movie. :lol: Seriously. (Peach is hawt) I think I'm going to go to DDD when I get home and buy it.

Also, for RE, if you listen to the commentary track, you'll learn they had no money for special effects. The licker was like 90% of their budget :lol: The end shot of the movie with the shadow of the door wasn't just an artistic decision. They couldn't afford a real door and had to use a cardboard cut out. :rofl:
 
[quote name='Kayden'] Also... would you really want the movie to feature Alice wandering the mansion looking for the spade key to open the spade door to get the red jewel that looks like it may fit into the mounted deer skull in the room loked by the diamond key that you had to push the pillars to find the key that was in a vat of acid that you had to dillute with chemicals found in the toolshed that you had to unlock by entering the proper phases of the moon.... I think you get my point. Would it have made a good suspense movie? Yes, but that doesn't mean action heavy made it horrible.[/QUOTE]

First, Alice shouldn't have been in it at all (not a big complaint mind you, there were plenty of other things that made me dislike the movie) and second, you know the example you gave is hugely overexaggerated. I don't expect the movies to be exact replicas of the games, but if you are going to get the license and use the name, then you should at least respect the source material. If not, then just make yourself a high action zombie movie and slap your own original title on it, no harm no foul.
Like I said Resident Evil was okay, and did an okay job at bringing the game to screen (although subsequent viewings make me like it less and less) but Resident Evil Apocalypse was WAY too much, and cliched as all hell.
The Resident Evil games are moody and disturbing, which the RE movies sorely lack.

And as for AvP....the hatching changes were ridiculous, the main character was bland and totally unbelievable, the team up of Predator and man was cheesy, and the movies PG-13 hyperactivity was a total disservice to the classic Alien, Aliens and Predator.

Doom was pretty terrible also.
 
Don't even get me started on Captain "Bling Bling" Stereotype...

Gungrave the original game was released in 2002, the series was produced in 2003.

Am I annoyed by changes to the source material? Somewhat, but as long as the changes somehow improve the film, or facilitate storytelling I don't mind.

I enjoyed Resident Evil 1 a little, though I think a simple change in the style of the Score would have improved it immensely, there are several moments where they could have used the score to play up suspense and tension, but instead they blast generic hard rock destroying the mood.

RE 2 was just a dumb, dumb, dumb action movie with only servicable action and an ending which literally made me and everyone I was seeing the movie with, bust out laughing at its absurdness.
 
[quote name='p00p']First, Alice shouldn't have been in it at all (not a big complaint mind you, there were plenty of other things that made me dislike the movie) and second, you know the example you gave is hugely overexaggerated. I don't expect the movies to be exact replicas of the games, but if you are going to get the license and use the name, then you should at least respect the source material. If not, then just make yourself a high action zombie movie and slap your own original title on it, no harm no foul.
Like I said Resident Evil was okay, and did an okay job at bringing the game to screen (although subsequent viewings make me like it less and less) but Resident Evil Apocalypse was WAY too much, and cliched as all hell.
The Resident Evil games are moody and disturbing, which the RE movies sorely lack.

And as for AvP....the hatching changes were ridiculous, the main character was bland and totally unbelievable, the team up of Predator and man was cheesy, and the movies PG-13 hyperactivity was a total disservice to the classic Alien, Aliens and Predator.
Doom was pretty terrible also.[/QUOTE]
You honestly think its exaggerated? Have YOU even played a RE game? :p

I never really thought the RE games were moody or scary. They really relied on the BOO! factor of things popping out of no where to get a reaction. A genuinely disturbing game would be Silent Hill 1. The monsters are harder, you have much less ammo and generally need to use melee to get the job done. SH is 10x scarier/creepier/moodier. Now SH is a game that the movie will probably piss even me off. I've always felt that RE was a campy horror game, so the movies didn't bother me much. However, with SH, the game just oozes story, atmosphere and plain fear. It is truely a piece of art. Anything less than perfection for this title would be the grevious insult you guys make every VG movie out to be.

Doom wasn't too bad. Again, the game was a mindless shooter so thats pretty much all I expected from the game. I wasn't fond of the virus aspect, but I can see why they'd want to avoid religion et al by making it about hell.

[quote name='guardian_owl']
I enjoyed Resident Evil 1 a little, though I think a simple change in the style of the Score would have improved it immensely, there are several moments where they could have used the score to play up suspense and tension, but instead they blast generic hard rock destroying the mood. [/QUOTE]

The aim of the movie wasn't meant to be scary. It was intended to be an action movie. I thought Manson did a great job with the music. I agree with you that the music wouldn't be appropriet for a suspense movie, but again, thats not really what the movie was meant to be.
 
I said hugely overexaggerated, not in terms of the play mechanics, but in how you interpreted what I meant by respecting and staying true to the source material.

But anyways, obviously it comes down to preference in films. I don't want to come off as some prick who only enjoys the artsy fartsy foreign films, as that is by far not the case. I love movies like Bad Boys and The Rock, hell I even own Captain Ron. But as for these movies like Doom, Resident Evil, and Alien vs Predator, they all, to me, have this bland, overdone, and unoriginal sense of style to them. The characters aren't interesting, they have no dimension.
 
somehow i see it as a worse version of underworld or whatever the vamp werewolf movie was called. Flashy action scenes with lil substance seems to be right up Anderson's alley
 
Worse than Underworld? That is hard for me to imagine. Underworld is way too light on substance, and it doesn't have the benefit of a license that I already appreciate to back it up. Plus, a movie like that with no nudity? hee hee..
 
[quote name='eastx']Worse than Underworld? That is hard for me to imagine. Underworld is way too light on substance, and it doesn't have the benefit of a license that I already appreciate to back it up. Plus, a movie like that with no nudity? hee hee..[/QUOTE]
I can give props to Underworld a little, at least they tried something different, Vampires as the oppressive overlords of Werewolves, werewolves revolt, and the feud rages on for centuries. Execution from concept to final product though, just didn't work very well.
 
I have to recommend that if you have only seen the theatrical version of Underworld, go check out the Director's Cut DVD. I saw Underworld in theatres and was underwhelmed, but I borrowed my friends copy of the Director's Cut and really enjoyed it. It seems much darker and fleshed out.
 
Indeed, the Director's Cut (which I own on DVD and will gladly sell for $15 shipped) has more story than the regular version, but that story isn't very good... Nothing's gonna fix all the plotholes and general sillines of the movie. I agree it was a great concept though.
 
[quote name='Kayden'] Now SH is a game that the movie will probably piss even me off. I've always felt that RE was a campy horror game, so the movies didn't bother me much. However, with SH, the game just oozes story, atmosphere and plain fear. It is truely a piece of art. Anything less than perfection for this title would be the grevious insult you guys make every VG movie out to be.[/QUOTE]


The movie is directed by the very tallented and underated director Christophe Gans. He's the genius behind the very stylish and fun Brotherhood of the Wolf. That movie screamed gaming/manga/kungfu/action film in a very non gaming/manga/kungfu setting, the countryside of pre-Revolutionary France. He is familiar with the horror genre and had his hand in Lovecraft screenplay direction.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384537/ this should put you at ease.
 
Wow..... I love 'Brotherhood of the Wolf'! It was so well done. If the same director is behind the Silent Hill film I can't wait to go see it......and I'm not even really a fan of the games.

On the subject of video-game movies, whatever happened to the Fatal Frame movie? I was really looking forward to that.
 
[quote name='Matarick']The movie is directed by the very tallented and underated director Christophe Gans. He's the genius behind the very stylish and fun Brotherhood of the Wolf. That movie screamed gaming/manga/kungfu/action film in a very non gaming/manga/kungfu setting, the countryside of pre-Revolutionary France. He is familiar with the horror genre and had his hand in Lovecraft screenplay direction.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0384537/ this should put you at ease.[/QUOTE]

The first time I saw Le Pacte des Loups, I thought it was awesome. However, the second time I thought it moved ungodly slow. The first time it felt like an hour, the second time felt like 4. Great action, acting and shooting though.
 
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