Pregnant girl banned from graduation, walks anyway, her mom and aunt get arrested

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/natio...ory=1110&slug=BRF Pregnant Student Graduation

A pregnant student who was banned from graduation at her Roman Catholic high school announced her own name and walked across the stage anyway at the close of the program.

Alysha Cosby's decision prompted cheers and applause Tuesday from many of her fellow seniors at St. Jude Educational Institute.

But her mother and aunt were escorted out of the church by police after Cosby headed back to her seat.

"I can't believe something like this is happening in 2005," said her mother, Sheila Cosby. "My daughter has been through a lot and I am proud of her. She deserved to walk, and she did."

The school's guidance counselor delivered Cosby's degree to her house earlier Tuesday, but she still wanted to participate.

"I worked hard throughout high school and I wanted to walk with my class," she said.

Cosby was told in March that she could no longer attend school because of safety concerns, and her name was not listed in the graduation program.

The father of Cosby's child, also a senior at the school, was allowed to participate in graduation.
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Safety issues my ass. And why was the father allowed to participate and not her? Just because he doesn't have a scarlet letter?
 
I agree with the school's right to not allow her to walk, but they fucked that up when they let the father walk.
 
I mean it's a Roman Catholic school, so I could see them being opposed to having the two attend graduation (still kind of ridiculous but that's most RC schools for you), but having the boy attend but not the girl is asinine.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']well at least they didn't use a contraceptive.

She should be given some credit for that[/QUOTE]

:rofl: I think that's a bit lower on the hierarchy of sins Casey. :lol:
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']:rofl: I think that's a bit lower on the hierarchy of sins Casey. :lol:[/QUOTE]

I know, but c'mon someone had to say it:D
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']I know, but c'mon someone had to say it:D[/QUOTE]

:lol: I almost thought you were serious.
 
This is 2005, haven't you seen the news lately? This is what the new america is all about. God bless america.



[quote name='Dead of Knight']I mean it's a Roman Catholic school, so I could see them being opposed to having the two attend graduation (still kind of ridiculous but that's most RC schools for you), but having the boy attend but not the girl is asinine.[/QUOTE]

Though, I went to a roman catholic school and I'm pretty sure they would have let her walk. It even said in the handbook that they'd do everything possible to accomodate any pregnancies, so if they did anything against the girl they would clearly be violating their own rules. Though I don't remember ever seeing anyone pregnant at my school, probably forgot or didn't notice. It had 600 kids when I entered (6th grade) and about 800-900 when I left (12th grade), it was small but you think there must have been someone pregnant during that time.
 
Absolutely ridiculous. And of course the father was allowed to walk. Depending on how orthodox this particular school is, the men are going to be in the right. Stupid double-standarding religion.
 
[quote name='Rich']I agree with the school's right to not allow her to walk, but they fucked that up when they let the father walk.[/QUOTE]

Why shouldn't she walk?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Why shouldn't she walk?[/QUOTE]

Oh you know that Jesus fellow. He loved shaming sinners, and made Mary Magdaline wear a scarlet A because she committed adultery with many a married man. The Catholic church is just following his teachings here.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']

Though, I went to a roman catholic school and I'm pretty sure they would have let her walk. It even said in the handbook that they'd do everything possible to accomodate any pregnancies, so if they did anything against the girl they would clearly be violating their own rules. Though I don't remember ever seeing anyone pregnant at my school, probably forgot or didn't notice. It had 600 kids when I entered (6th grade) and about 800-900 when I left (12th grade), it was small but you think there must have been someone pregnant during that time.[/QUOTE]

Same way at my Catholic high School, we actually had someone pregnant in my class too and she did walk at graduation (I can't remember if she technically graduated then or not though). I know she left school for a couple months prior as well, which that's fine and I understand a schools decision there (though I never heard that it was a school decision). In fact I even think she went to prom that year, but I'm not so sure.
 
I went to a RC school freshman year, hated it, but not because it was RC; in fact, I didn't mind the super-religiousness of it all even though I'm not religious. The way things were run in the other parts of school life were messed up though, and it only got worse after I left, so I'm glad I made that decision. The place is a haven for drugs and alcohol because no teachers patrol the 1st and 3rd floors between classes (all the admin offices are on the 2nd floor), among other things.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Why shouldn't she walk?[/QUOTE]

Because the school has the right to disalllow her to walk for not following the rules that are (should be?) place at said school? She went against one of their teachings, I don't see it much different than someone organizing a protest at a school after being told they're not allowed.

Like I said, though, the school invalidating any sympathy I had and belief that they were in the right when they let the father walk.
 
[quote name='cag1000']and then they all served the puddin pops after the ceremony.
dad is great he gives us the chocolate cake[/QUOTE]

Because her last name's Cosby, in case nobody got it.
 
By the way, I love how the school shuns her instead of embracing her, reguardless of whether they thought she sinned or not. WWJD? Outcast the sinners!
 
[quote name='Rich']Because the school has the right to disalllow her to walk for not following the rules that are (should be?) place at said school? She went against one of their teachings, I don't see it much different than someone organizing a protest at a school after being told they're not allowed.[/QUOTE]

Which teaching is that? Smite the sinners? Or the one that states that you cannot forgive women for acting on a healthy sexual libido?

Which Catholic teaching prohibits protesting? Is that the one Jesus setup after he overturned all the shops that were selling goods in his temple?
 
[quote name='Rich']Because the school has the right to disalllow her to walk for not following the rules that are (should be?) place at said school? She went against one of their teachings, I don't see it much different than someone organizing a protest at a school after being told they're not allowed.

Like I said, though, the school invalidating any sympathy I had and belief that they were in the right when they let the father walk.[/QUOTE]

Well, taking into account what you said, I'd like to someone to tell me if there school handbook prohibited sex (as my old high school never mentioned it, I just went one I had in a drawer) or even pregnancy for that matter, if not then she wasn't violating any rule or at least one she was informed of. Funny though, I bet the kids who stole or did pot and stuff got to walk (and I'm pretty sure some teachers knew kids did pot, at least in my school some of the teachers knew some of the kids that did pot, though drug use was minimal at my school compared to others). And what place allows a protest against itself.

But you said you support the decision not to let her walk, I took that as you meant you think they made the right decision (and not just that they have the right to make that decision), is that the case?
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Well, taking into account what you said, I'd like to someone to tell me if there school handbook prohibited sex (as my old high school never mentioned it, I just went one I had in a drawer) or even pregnancy for that matter, if not then she wasn't violating any rule or at least one she was informed of. Funny though, I bet the kids who stole or did pot and stuff got to walk (and I'm pretty sure some teachers knew kids did pot, at least in my school some of the teachers knew some of the kids that did pot, though drug use was minimal at my school compared to others). And what place allows a protest against itself.

But you said you support the decision not to let her walk, I took that as you meant you think they made the right decision (and not just that they have the right to make that decision), is that the case?[/QUOTE]

No, I don't support their decision because they let the father walk. All or none and I support them.

As for the rule in the handbook? Uh, Catholic schools have this thing called the Bible they use alot. I think there's something in there about premarital sex. I would assume the things the Church teach are implied for rules at a CATHOLIC high school, much like they were at my HS.
 
[quote name='Rich']No, I don't support their decision because they let the father walk. All or none and I support them.

As for the rule in the handbook? Uh, Catholic schools have this thing called the Bible they use alot. I think there's something in there about premarital sex. I would assume the things the Church teach are implied for rules at a CATHOLIC high school, much like they were at my HS.[/QUOTE]

Why did this Catholic school allow students who eat shellfish and pork to get their diploma? According to your logic, anyone who had bacon for breakfast that morning should have been stopped from walking as well!
 
[quote name='camoor']Why did this Catholic school allow students who eat shellfish and pork to get their diploma? According to your logic, anyone who had bacon for breakfast that morning should have been stopped from walking as well![/QUOTE]

The shellfish and pork teachings came under what is called Mosaic Law.
 
[quote name='Rich']No, I don't support their decision because they let the father walk. All or none and I support them.

As for the rule in the handbook? Uh, Catholic schools have this thing called the Bible they use alot. I think there's something in there about premarital sex. I would assume the things the Church teach are implied for rules at a CATHOLIC high school, much like they were at my HS.[/QUOTE]

Well I was kinda wodnering if you think she should have walked, your personal opinion.

Though, there are a lot of rules in the bible we don't do or believe in, and some we do. It's kind of hard to know what you can do if it says "here's a bunch of rules, and we take some from the bible too but we won't tell you which explicitly". My catholic school did enact biblical rules in my school, at least obvious ones. The only one I can think of that you could label biblical in any way is the dress code which said girls can't wear too short a skirt, or too tight/low cut pants (basically for modesty). The school was overwhelmingly christian (largest minority was jews, I can think of one muslim and a few hindus that I knew of), but I'm not sure of the percentage of catholics. Though that is the norm for catholic schools in this area.

Basically, I've been to catholic school, the area played a role in the way it acted (you weren't going to get any where running a real conservative one her), but was one of the more liberal ones I believe (they would often be the last one to change policies and would often be forced to by the boston archdiocese). If it wasn't in the rule book, publicly announced during the year or something obvious (I doubt it said you couldn't stab a teacher in the rulebook), then it wasn't a rule. Saying "well, you violated biblical teaching", wasn't going to cut it and, if they tried that, they'd have the parents and many of the teachers to deal with. That was the same with all the ones in the area.
 
[quote name='Derwood43']The shellfish and pork teachings came under what is called Mosaic Law.[/QUOTE]

Well, not giving up something for lent would violate church teaching I believe, cursing god would be blasphemy, so would defacing a bible, highly doubt they'd get in trouble for doing any of that.
 
[quote name='camoor']Why did this Catholic school allow students who eat shellfish and pork to get their diploma? According to your logic, anyone who had bacon for breakfast that morning should have been stopped from walking as well![/QUOTE]

Hmm, premarital sex or eating meat on friday? You know what? You're right, they're exactly the same thing and warrant the same punishment.

Well I was kinda wodnering if you think she should have walked, your personal opinion.

Though, there are a lot of rules in the bible we don't do or believe in, and some we do. It's kind of hard to know what you can do if it says "here's a bunch of rules, and we take some from the bible too but we won't tell you which explicitly". My catholic school did enact biblical rules in my school, at least obvious ones. The only one I can think of that you could label biblical in any way is the dress code which said girls can't wear too short a skirt, or too tight/low cut pants (basically for modesty). The school was overwhelmingly christian (largest minority was jews, I can think of one muslim and a few hindus that I knew of), but I'm not sure of the percentage of catholics. Though that is the norm for catholic schools in this area.

Basically, I've been to catholic school, the area played a role in the way it acted (you weren't going to get any where running a real conservative one her), but was one of the more liberal ones I believe (they would often be the last one to change policies and would often be forced to by the boston archdiocese). If it wasn't in the rule book, publicly announced during the year or something obvious (I doubt it said you couldn't stab a teacher in the rulebook), then it wasn't a rule. Saying "well, you violated biblical teaching", wasn't going to cut it and, if they tried that, they'd have the parents and many of the teachers to deal with. That was the same with all the ones in the area.
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Personally, I think she should have been allowed to walk, but I respect the school's right to disallow her from walking. And premarital sex isn't an obvious biblical rule? Hell, it's in the damn commandments. (Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife)
(For the record, the school I attented was completely 100% white Catholics, with an overwhelming majority of them being mindless conservative drones of the church)

And any good Catholic school would punish someone for defacing a bible or cursing God. Catholic schools are there to not only educate, but to advance the faith. (Ironically, my school actually drove me away from the faith)
 
That is a bull$hit a$$ excuse not to let someone walk. I'm glad that she went up there and walked anyway!
 
[quote name='carlagyrl']That is a bull$hit a$$ excuse not to let someone walk. I'm glad that she went up there and walked anyway![/QUOTE]

I can't take anyone's opinion seriously if they replace "s" with "$"
 
[quote name='Rich']Hmm, premarital sex or eating meat on friday? You know what? You're right, they're exactly the same thing and warrant the same punishment.



Personally, I think she should have been allowed to walk, but I respect the school's right to disallow her from walking. And premarital sex isn't an obvious biblical rule? Hell, it's in the damn commandments. (Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife)
(For the record, the school I attented was completely 100% white Catholics, with an overwhelming majority of them being mindless conservative drones of the church)

And any good Catholic school would punish someone for defacing a bible or cursing God. Catholic schools are there to not only educate, but to advance the faith. (Ironically, my school actually drove me away from the faith)[/QUOTE]


Obvious rule and obvious biblical rule are two different things, biblical rules are usually school rules.

For visible minorities, we never had more than 3 blacks (it hit 3 because there were twins), few hispanics, 3-5 from india, east asian was the most, there 5 in my grade, probably 20 or so in the school, though these all vary depending on the year. This was out of 600-800 kids, depending on year. Never had a black kid in my grade. So, while hardly diverse, people weren't entirely enclosed in an all white catholic school.

Though many private schools were founded when black students started attending formerly white schools (and this is more apparent when you look at the founding years of many of them, though obviously that wasn't the case for all of them.

Whether the purpose is to advance the faith, I guess it depends on the area. A school as you describe could not survive as such in this area, you would have difficulty filling the school with like minded faculty, and you'd probably have lawsuits for discrimination. Greater boston isn't the most diverse area but there's enough that it has to be recognized. The home page of the schools website even say they respect and try to accomodate all races, religions and ethnicities. My schools goal was to help parents raise their children in a religiously sensitive environment, but, more importantly, to provide them with a solid education heading into college.

The religion class was not fire and brimstone (some of them had the "I'm right and you're wrong" attitude, I hated those, but most understood that people do have different opinions and beliefs and had no problem accepting them), and was usually considered a joke class, an easy A or B. I remember one class (run by a protestant priest who usually did the non denominational masses) where the teacher often complained about kids not caring. Very easy class, and while he was going on his little rant I was sitting at my desk doing my french homework (as I always did). As soon as he finished his rant he started passing out papers, passed by my desk with the french book and me with my head down writing in a notebook, I looked up at him, grabbed the paper, and he continued to pass out papers to the rest of the class. While most wouldn't let you do that in class, that's how religion classes were generally treated at my school. Religion didn't interfere with evolution, biology, literature etc. The first 4 years (6-9th grade) even put aside the last quarter of the year for sex ed. Neither abstinance or condoms were really mentioned in the book as far as I can remember, but the teachers usually said to wait till marriage but use a condom if you don't.

Basically, while I didn't like my school and didn't like the religious atmosphere and such, I realize that it probably isn't the norm for catholic schools. Take that into consideration when I'm arguing because I'm not always aware of how most catholic schools are run, as in whether or not biblical rules have anything to do with catholic schools normally.
 
[quote name='Rich']Hmm, premarital sex or eating meat on friday? You know what? You're right, they're exactly the same thing and warrant the same punishment.
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I'm glad you use the term "punishment". That is really in keeping with Jesus's worldview. Above all he wanted to punish sinners, often for transgressions committed months prior; transgressions in this case being defined based on a vague interpretation of biblical teachings. Hmmm coveting thy neighbors wife - close enough, let's all throw stones!!

Besides, you are the one who was defending the school by stating that it was supposedly basing it's decision on a dogmatic interpretation of "the bible". I didn't know that you meant the school was making school rules from only the most sexist and bigoted parts. Don't whine to me when I take your fallacious line of thinking to it's logical conclusion.
 
Umm... I was wondering, as it seems to have gotten lost in all this, what about the mother and aunt getting arrested? Don't people have a problem with that?
 
Well the information on the mother and aunt being arrested is not really there to make any kind of educated judgement. In fact, it says "escorted out by police" that doesn't mean they were arrested exactly, my guess is they weren't in the end.
 
[quote name='camoor']I'm glad you use the term "punishment". That is really in keeping with Jesus's worldview.[/QUOTE]

Silly camoor, since when does modern Christianity have anything to do with Jesus or his teachings?
 
[quote name='smalien1']Rich have you ever, at any point in your life thought a fascist religiously based government would be
'cool'? Just curious[/QUOTE]

Do you fucking read what I write? Seriously? I renounced my religion years ago. PAD gets it hard for bashing Islam, but yet every fucking person on here (excluding alonzo) goes out of their way to bash Christianity and equate me to a fucking chavez shirt wearing liberal, conservative style.(Okok, you equated me to a fascist, not communist. :roll: Your double standards are ludicrous.

[quote name='camoor']I'm glad you use the term "punishment". That is really in keeping with Jesus's worldview. Above all he wanted to punish sinners, often for transgressions committed months prior; transgressions in this case being defined based on a vague interpretation of biblical teachings. Hmmm coveting thy neighbors wife - close enough, let's all throw stones!!

Besides, you are the one who was defending the school by stating that it was supposedly basing it's decision on a dogmatic interpretation of "the bible". I didn't know that you meant the school was making school rules from only the most sexist and bigoted parts. Don't whine to me when I take your fallacious ine of thinking to it's logical conclusion.[/quote]

Again, another person who doesn't read what I write.
I thank you, alonso, for at least fucking reading. I already said I think she should have been allowed to walk, but I respect the school's right to disallow her. Sexist and bigoted? The father should have been punished equally. I don't support the school's decision. Any of this sound familiar? Yeah? It's because I've said 5x times already. We're not as perfect as Jesus and sometimes make mistakes, and, sometimes, we can't forgive people. People believe that. Get over it and realize what majority of the country believes in, despite what your shallow little mind believes. The US isn't New England and California.



Alonzo--
I'm not sure where you were going with that, but it's obvious our schools were much more different.
My HS' mission statement:

St. Joseph by-the-Sea High School is a private Catholic school which exists to afford young men and women the opportunity to come to appreciate that every person has been created by God in His image and likeness, was redeemed by Christ, and is destined to become one with
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God. Here, education is the deliberate effort of the administration, faculty, and parents to assist our young people in the development of their spiritual, moral, intellectual, physical, social and aesthetic potential through instruction, discipline, and example.

Therefore, we offer an education rooted in Gospel values. We expect students to develop an awareness of and sensitivity to these values and for the basic principles of American democracy by practicing them in their lives.

Our ultimate goal is to help develop responsible persons who will use their virtues and talents in making the world a better place. In cooperation with the home, the church, and the state, we communicate knowledge, truth, and a sense of justice in order to give students the ability to exercise responsible choices in their lives.
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I'm in NYC, mind you.



While I don't agree with how they teach, I respect their right to teach that way and believe every CATHOLIC high school should be afforded the opportunity to run the school in the same way. They're being supported by the dioceses--it's their mission to do the dioceses' work. I have many friends in Boston, and from what I understand, it is indeed very different, but alas, I don't think the school should have banned her from walking anyway.
 
[quote name='Rich']We're not as perfect as Jesus and sometimes make mistakes, and, sometimes, we can't forgive people. People believe that. Get over it and realize what majority of the country believes in, despite what your shallow little mind believes. The US isn't New England and California.[/QUOTE]

First of all, you are stating that Jesus is perfect as if it is an apriori fact, and you are defending the school's decision to ban teens who engage in premarital sex from graduation. Add that to calling me part of a shallow minority, and you sure sound like the holier-then-thou bigots who call themselves fundametalists and baptists. However I would certainly agree that you are no true christian.

Secondly the catholic religion is based on forgiveness of sins (baptism, confession, inducing guilt for biological urges to force a quest for redemption, etc, etc) Now this band of catholics can't even get that right. Calling their bigoted and hypocritical world view catholic is like Stalin calling the government he created communist. Anyone with half a brain can see the difference between the ideal and the actual.
 
First of all, you are stating that Jesus is perfect as if it is an apriori fact, and you are defending the school's decision to ban teens who engage in premarital sex from graduation.


Oh how surprised I am you didn't read my post entirely!
I said "people believe that." I don't. Understand?

Add that to calling me part of a shallow minority, and you sure sound like the holier-then-thou bigots who call themselves fundametalists and baptists. However I would certainly agree that you are no true christian.

Shallow minority? You're not reading. I said you have a shallow mind. You don't understand anything I'm saying and you aren't helping your case. Holier than though? If you say so, but that's probably because you think I'm saying something i'm not. And I most certaintly am a true Christian. A Christian Deist, to be exact.

Secondly the catholic religion is based on forgiveness of sins (baptism, confession, inducing guilt for biological urges to force a quest for redemption, etc, etc) Now this band of catholics can't even get that right. Calling their bigoted and hypocritical world view catholic is like Stalin calling the government he created communist. Anyone with half a brain can see the difference between the ideal and the actual.

I'm not going to bother. You're going to interpret everything wrongly anyway.
 
Rich, I wasn't really going anywhere with that. As you may have noticed by now I tend to start typing things that are only slightly relevant and lack any real direction sometimes. It basically was me saying there may be a difference between your and my experiences in a catholic school, and just expanded from there.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Rich, I wasn't really going anywhere with that. As you may have noticed by now I tend to start typing things that are only slightly relevant and lack any real direction sometimes. It basically was me saying there may be a difference between your and my experiences in a catholic school, and just expanded from there.[/QUOTE]

Beats calling me a fascist.
 
[quote name='Rich']
Shallow minority? You're not reading. I said you have a shallow mind. You don't understand anything I'm saying and you aren't helping your case. Holier than though? If you say so, but that's probably because you think I'm saying something i'm not. And I most certaintly am a true Christian. A Christian Deist, to be exact.

I'm not going to bother. You're going to interpret everything wrongly anyway.
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First you deny that you're a christian, now you're a christian deist? Make up your mind, and if you're going to mix and match, you need to pick religions that go together genius!

And I have a shallow mind? When you want to allow authoritarian organizations to publicly shame kids for making one bad choice?

Please don't bother in the future, and while you're at it don't bother voting either. Just put your head down and keep your crackpot ideas to yourself.
 
[quote name='camoor']First you deny that you're a christian, now you're a christian deist? Make up your mind, and if you're going to mix and match, you need to pick religions that go together genius![/QUOTE]

Go together? Mix and match? Neither is an organized religion and my beliefs come from both. I could see if Deism had a firmly established set of ideals, then you would make sense, but they don't. I believe in every fundamental Deist teaching, and I still believe in Christ but no organized Christian sect. Guess what that makes me? And I never denied my Christianity, I denied my Catholicism.

You know those Columbine kids? They made one bad choice. Lets not shame them for a single transgression. Am I equating premarital sex to murder? No. But my point is crime deserves punishment. She went against one f the major teachings of the church, the same church that funds her school, and the same church that teaches in the name of Jesus Christ, the man she's supposed to be trying to emulate. She failed. They should have let her walk, but alas, they reserve the right to punish her for going against one of their most basic teachings. And before you bring up that stupid Jesus taught forgiveness argument again: yeah, he did, but he also made a whip of coins and drove out the men selling items in the Temple, exclaiming "How dare you turn my Father's house into a market." (JN2) I wouldn't expect you to know this, though, since you obviously know nothing about the religion you are so fond to mock. It's God's job to forgive and forget, not a Catholic school's. Otherwise expulsions would be irrelevent.

(this is all from their standpoint, not mine. Like I said, I respect their right to decision, even if I don't agree with it.)

Oh, look, from Deism.com

Do Deists believe that God created the creation and the world and then just stepped back from it? Some Deists do and some believe God may intervene in human affairs.

Sounds like Jesus Christ to me. Especially considering my exact belief is that, indeed, God created the world and let nature take its course, and then sent Jesus Christ (son or not, who am I to say) as a messenger.

As for voting--I won't. I'd rather my vote be meaningful, but the electoral college is too much of a joke for that to be possible.

 
"And premarital sex isn't an obvious biblical rule? Hell, it's in the damn commandments. (Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's wife)"

I would like to point out that this commandment only comments on adultry, not sexual relations before marriage...the place you can find that is in Corinthians (the corinthians we visited and written to by Paul(?) and discussed the sexual relations 'outside of marriage' because their (the Corinthians) religion was based on sex with the priests (women) as thier 'worship'. This was a major problem with spreading diseases, so it was more of an effort to protect than anything else.
I think the worst thing people can do is interpret the Bible (especially the old testiment) in the literal sense because it was pasted down by old-fashioned story telling for centuries
 
[quote name='Rich']Go together? Mix and match? Neither is an organized religion and my beliefs come from both. I could see if Deism had a firmly established set of ideals, then you would make sense, but they don't. I believe in every fundamental Deist teaching, and I still believe in Christ but no organized Christian sect. Guess what that makes me? And I never denied my Christianity, I denied my Catholicism.

You know those Columbine kids? They made one bad choice. Lets not shame them for a single transgression. Am I equating premarital sex to murder? No. But my point is crime deserves punishment. She went against one f the major teachings of the church, the same church that funds her school, and the same church that teaches in the name of Jesus Christ, the man she's supposed to be trying to emulate. She failed. They should have let her walk, but alas, they reserve the right to punish her for going against one of their most basic teachings. And before you bring up that stupid Jesus taught forgiveness argument again: yeah, he did, but he also made a whip of coins and drove out the men selling items in the Temple, exclaiming "How dare you turn my Father's house into a market." (JN2) I wouldn't expect you to know this, though, since you obviously know nothing about the religion you are so fond to mock. It's God's job to forgive and forget, not a Catholic school's. Otherwise expulsions would be irrelevent.

(this is all from their standpoint, not mine. Like I said, I respect their right to decision, even if I don't agree with it.)

Oh, look, from Deism.com

Do Deists believe that God created the creation and the world and then just stepped back from it? Some Deists do and some believe God may intervene in human affairs.

Sounds like Jesus Christ to me. Especially considering my exact belief is that, indeed, God created the world and let nature take its course, and then sent Jesus Christ (son or not, who am I to say) as a messenger.

As for voting--I won't. I'd rather my vote be meaningful, but the electoral college is too much of a joke for that to be possible.

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"Deism is belief in a God or first cause based on reason and experience rather than on faith or revelation, and thus a form of theism in opposition to fideism."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deist

Jesus Christ was a pretty peaceful and loving dude, but he isn't a shining proponent of reason or logic (it would take great thinkers such as Kant and Mill, who were born many centuries later, to truly start reasoning out the morality inherent his teachings)

Jesus Christ also claimed to be the christian god, thus equating himself to the totality of what a Deist would call "the first mover" (or perhaps "the subtle and perssuasive force of the universe"). If you're saying that Jesus Christ was just a messenger of "the first mover" then he's a pretty lousy messenger, since he couldn't even remember his role.

Yeah, Jesus threw the salesmen out of the temple (read carefully - I already mentioned this :shame: ) however it was while they were committing their disrespectful act. You're a christian, do you believe that after they had stopped selling items in the temple that he forgave the truly regretful salesmen?

Jesus never singled a lone woman out, a woman who had to endure the torment of an unapproving society, and cast her out of his religious ceremonies / presence. Indeed, Mary Magdaline is a character that many so-called christians would just as soon forget (and can we please skip the inevitable DaVinci Code posts this time ;) )
 
Gamer's Girlfriend said:
...the place you can find that is in Corinthians (the corinthians we visited and written to by Paul(?) and discussed the sexual relations 'outside of marriage' because their (the Corinthians) religion was based on sex with the priests (women) as thier 'worship'.
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Never let it be said that I don't like the old-timey religion :bouncy:

Thank goodness this Aeon of sexual repression is almost over...
 
Camoor, I don't think jesus ever claimed to be god even in the current translations (he definately didn't in the original texts and I don't remember seeing him say that when reading a modern day bible), that's why earlier gnostic sects of christianity (wiped out, often forcefully, by the church) viewed him as a great teacher, but not divine.

Though, rich, you do realize that since the school is only banning the pregnant girl, and if you believe it is due to her having premarital sex, then it is hypocritical. Not just because they let the father walk, but because they did nothing to all the other kids who had sex. Sure most don't say anything, but there were some couples in my school who did openly admit to having sex, it was no secret. If the school was interested in that policy then they should have stopped a lot of other students.

Though, I think I want to become a follower of the faith of the corinthians. You can be damn well sure I wouldn't skip out on prayers.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Camoor, I don't think jesus ever claimed to be god even in the current translations (he definately didn't in the original texts and I don't remember seeing him say that when reading a modern day bible), that's why earlier gnostic sects of christianity (wiped out, often forcefully, by the church) viewed him as a great teacher, but not divine.[/QUOTE]

I feel like Admiral Ackbar, this wouldn't be liberal trickery would it? :whistle2:k

BTW Gnostic Christians still exist. In fact, Philip K. Dick identified himself with that ideology.
 
[quote name='camoor']I feel like Admiral Ackbar, this wouldn't be liberal trickery would it? :whistle2:k

BTW Gnostic Christians still exist. In fact, Philip K. Dick identified himself with that ideology.[/QUOTE]

Saying gnostic christians exist is like saying ancient pagan religions still exist. Sure some people still believe in some things (I know isis is used in some forms of witchcraft, and so is pan), but it is not a continuous line. It is modern people looking back into history and finding a religious system they agree with, either taking it whole or in parts. Though I haven't heard of any real gnostics, not just people who say they agree with it, though I may very well be wrong. Either way, whether gnostic sects still exist has no bearing on whether they were previously destroyed.

Oh, and if you say Phil K. Dick really fast it sounds like "filthy dick"........................... Ya.
 
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