Public Defenders or Public Pretenders??
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[quote name='pittpizza']I'm interested in your opinions of Public Defenders. Anybody have any experience using them? Get a good result?[/QUOTE]
Bitch pressing charges?
Bitch pressing charges?
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Pittpizza was in jail for an incident similar to "a dick in a box". He also just finished 
ing his friend's mom for mother's day.
http://www.hulu.com/watch/72434/saturday-night-live-motherlover
ing his friend's mom for mother's day.http://www.hulu.com/watch/72434/saturday-night-live-motherlover
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Most public defenders are actually lawyers who do these cases for tax-deductions or general community service. That said, there ARE a few employed by the district, and they're usually overworked.They're not incompetent, but get one who is tired and trying to handle 15 cases simultaneously and you'll start having mistakes.
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FOC, that mother lover vid was ing hilarious.
I really don't have a good reason for my inactivity. I dunno why, I havent been posting much on IGN or aquariumadvice.com either.
So I guess nobody on CAG (or at least the vs. forums) has any real-world experience with PDs. I guess thats a good thing.
I'm asking because there seems to be a misconception out there that PD's aren't "real" lawyers, or that if they are...they suck. Becomming a PD was attractive to me for several reasons:
1. My lawschool has LRAP (Loan Repayment Assistance Program) where they'll pay your student loans back (about $700 a month) if you work in the public sector for 3 years.
2. Criminal law is just much more interesting to me. I'd rather fight over people's liberty than their money.
3. I like to argue...especially with authority. What better job could there be to do this than to argue with DA's and Cops all day.
4. It's great pro-bono work, like Reality Fringe's post mentioned.
When clients ask me if they should get private counsel (PC), I explain to them that the results don't often differ from what a PD could do for you; but that you do get ALOT more individualized attention and therefore peace of mind.
ing hilarious. I really don't have a good reason for my inactivity. I dunno why, I havent been posting much on IGN or aquariumadvice.com either.
So I guess nobody on CAG (or at least the vs. forums) has any real-world experience with PDs. I guess thats a good thing.
I'm asking because there seems to be a misconception out there that PD's aren't "real" lawyers, or that if they are...they suck. Becomming a PD was attractive to me for several reasons:
1. My lawschool has LRAP (Loan Repayment Assistance Program) where they'll pay your student loans back (about $700 a month) if you work in the public sector for 3 years.
2. Criminal law is just much more interesting to me. I'd rather fight over people's liberty than their money.
3. I like to argue...especially with authority. What better job could there be to do this than to argue with DA's and Cops all day.
4. It's great pro-bono work, like Reality Fringe's post mentioned.
When clients ask me if they should get private counsel (PC), I explain to them that the results don't often differ from what a PD could do for you; but that you do get ALOT more individualized attention and therefore peace of mind.
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No that is very true, but the benefits/hours do. A buddy of mine (who works at a big name fancy lawfirm) actually sat down and compared the hours we worked to our salaries; as it turns out (since I can actually take my paid vacation and personal days) we make about the same hourly wage.
The tough part about going into the private sector is that not only would I have to match my wage, but I would have to match my wage after I paid for an office to rent, a staff, a printer/fax/copy machine, health insurance, advertisements, pay my own travel expenses, dental and vision expenses, bar dues, malpractice insurance, CLE's and the list goes on and on...
Still, some PC get $750 just for a preliminary hearing, and I do about a dozen of those a day.
There is also the benefit of not having to try to get clients, let alone the much bigger task of getting clients to actually pay you. Additionally, my measly check is the same every week. This allows for planning/saving for a house. Sometiems private practice is feast or famine, so the income is not as steady.
The tough part about going into the private sector is that not only would I have to match my wage, but I would have to match my wage after I paid for an office to rent, a staff, a printer/fax/copy machine, health insurance, advertisements, pay my own travel expenses, dental and vision expenses, bar dues, malpractice insurance, CLE's and the list goes on and on...
Still, some PC get $750 just for a preliminary hearing, and I do about a dozen of those a day.
There is also the benefit of not having to try to get clients, let alone the much bigger task of getting clients to actually pay you. Additionally, my measly check is the same every week. This allows for planning/saving for a house. Sometiems private practice is feast or famine, so the income is not as steady.
i didn't mean starting your own firm, i just meant as an associate in the private sector.
i know compensation in patent law is a little different than other legal work but a partner at a seattle firm (not biglaw, just ~30 associates) told me his new associates get 145k starting and are at 300k by third year, before bonuses.
it's true the hours are much longer and the work is more stressful, but there are benefits aside from pay. working out of a nice office with a great view, traveling, inside knowledge of cool companies (his firm does most of Valve's IP stuff)... i know for sure that's the kind of job i'm gonna go for, i wouldn't even consider the public sector.
but if you're happy with it, that's cool. to each their own. different people are gonna dig different things.
i know compensation in patent law is a little different than other legal work but a partner at a seattle firm (not biglaw, just ~30 associates) told me his new associates get 145k starting and are at 300k by third year, before bonuses.
it's true the hours are much longer and the work is more stressful, but there are benefits aside from pay. working out of a nice office with a great view, traveling, inside knowledge of cool companies (his firm does most of Valve's IP stuff)... i know for sure that's the kind of job i'm gonna go for, i wouldn't even consider the public sector.
but if you're happy with it, that's cool. to each their own. different people are gonna dig different things.
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