Quick Tally of Democratic Leaning 527's Accomplishments

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This is really kind of ironic. Now the only way to truly measure political ad spending and activity is by the outcome of the elction.

By some estimates liberal 527's spent in excess of $400 million on various forms of advertising.

This was the net outcome.

1 red state turned blue: New Hampshire 4 EV's
2 blue states turned red: New Mexico and Iowa 12 EV's

Net loss of 8 EV's from 200 to 2004.

So basically moveon.org, the Media Fund, America Coming Together, ACORN etc.... paid American broadcasters $50 million for each EV lost.

Hmmmmm, that was productive.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']This is really kind of ironic. Now the only way to truly measure political ad spending and activity is by the outcome of the elction.

By some estimates liberal 527's spent in excess of $400 million on various forms of advertising.

This was the net outcome.

1 red state turned blue: New Hampshire 4 EV's
2 blue states turned red: New Mexico and Iowa 12 EV's

Net loss of 8 EV's from 200 to 2004.

So basically moveon.org, the Media Fund, America Coming Together, ACORN etc.... paid American broadcasters $50 million for each EV lost.

Hmmmmm, that was productive.[/quote]

And you wonder why the intellectuals are moving to Canada.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']This is really kind of ironic. Now the only way to truly measure political ad spending and activity is by the outcome of the elction.

By some estimates liberal 527's spent in excess of $400 million on various forms of advertising.

This was the net outcome.

1 red state turned blue: New Hampshire 4 EV's
2 blue states turned red: New Mexico and Iowa 12 EV's

Net loss of 8 EV's from 200 to 2004.

So basically moveon.org, the Media Fund, America Coming Together, ACORN etc.... paid American broadcasters $50 million for each EV lost.

Hmmmmm, that was productive.[/quote]

And you wonder why the intellectuals are moving to Canada.[/quote]

Because they like the cold?
 
Swift Vets
Progress for America Voter Fund
Club for Growth
College Republicans (the people that raised money by ripping off the elderly)

I find it hilarious that you're crying poor. The liberal 527's were less organized and worked less with the Democratic campaign than the conservative ones did. The conservative 527s were far more effective, because they were run better, raised money better, and outspent the others at the end of the race. Your point is valid that the 527's like MoveOn were ineffective, but please, don't play innocent.
 
Heh I found out something interesting from my dad last night. He is a democrat but he is a conservative Dem and he ended up voting for Bush! The only other Republican he has ever voted for is Reagan. The Dems lean so far left they have disenchanted their own voters. Its too bad our Bush votes were pretty much wasted in Maine which Kerry won pretty handidly and only has 4 EVs anyways
 
[quote name='jlarlee']Heh I found out something interesting from my dad last night. He is a democrat but he is a conservative Dem and he ended up voting for Bush! The only other Republican he has ever voted for is Reagan. The Dems lean so far left they have disenchanted their own voters. Its too bad our Bush votes were pretty much wasted in Maine which Kerry won pretty handidly and only has 4 EVs anyways[/quote]

Yes, but Bush is extremely far to the right. I would assume that your father is a religious man. There are many in the USA that viewed this as a spiritual decision, they were looking for someone guided by a power that was greater then reason.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='jlarlee']Heh I found out something interesting from my dad last night. He is a democrat but he is a conservative Dem and he ended up voting for Bush! The only other Republican he has ever voted for is Reagan. The Dems lean so far left they have disenchanted their own voters. Its too bad our Bush votes were pretty much wasted in Maine which Kerry won pretty handidly and only has 4 EVs anyways[/quote]

Yes, but Bush is extremely far to the right. I would assume that your father is a religious man. There are many in the USA that viewed this as a spiritual decision, they were looking for someone guided by a power that was greater then reason.[/quote]

Nope my dad is not religious at all really. Also he agrees with me that Bush's stand on gay marriage is just wrong, he belives like I do that people should live their own lives as they see fit as long as they don't hurt others. He does think that this was the issue that killed Kerry in the election. Because I think gay marriage was on the ballot in 11 states and all 11 chose to ban it.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']So your dad is an idiot?[/quote]

Great wit in that reply there. He actually has a doctorate in Education so I am guessing he is less of an Idiot than a lot of people here. So what exactly makes him an idiot voting for the lesser of two evils in Bush or his view on Gay marriage? Also a good sign that the Democratic Party may be in trouble is when English College professors start voting Republican
 
[quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='Quackzilla']So your dad is an idiot?[/quote]

Great wit in that reply there. He actually has a doctorate in Education so I am guessing he is less of an Idiot than a lot of people here. So what exactly makes him an idiot voting for the lesser of two evils in Bush or his view on Gay marriage? Also a good sign that the Democratic Party may be in trouble is when English College professors start voting Republican[/quote]

Why did your father vote for Bush. I think that's what we're all trying to figure out :whistle2:k
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='Quackzilla']So your dad is an idiot?[/quote]

Great wit in that reply there. He actually has a doctorate in Education so I am guessing he is less of an Idiot than a lot of people here. So what exactly makes him an idiot voting for the lesser of two evils in Bush or his view on Gay marriage? Also a good sign that the Democratic Party may be in trouble is when English College professors start voting Republican[/quote]

Why did your father vote for Bush. I think that's what we're all trying to figure out :whistle2:k[/quote]

He felt Kerry leaned too far left. He also felt he was a weak senator and although he didn't like Bush he thought he was the lesser of two evils
 
[quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='camoor'][quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='Quackzilla']So your dad is an idiot?[/quote]

Great wit in that reply there. He actually has a doctorate in Education so I am guessing he is less of an Idiot than a lot of people here. So what exactly makes him an idiot voting for the lesser of two evils in Bush or his view on Gay marriage? Also a good sign that the Democratic Party may be in trouble is when English College professors start voting Republican[/quote]

Why did your father vote for Bush. I think that's what we're all trying to figure out :whistle2:k[/quote]

He felt Kerry leaned too far left. He also felt he was a weak senator and although he didn't like Bush he thought he was the lesser of two evils[/quote]

Interesting.

My opinion was that:

1. Bush is stubborn -> that is not the same as strong.
2. Kerry went to the Viet war, then came back and spoke his conscience, it was not a popular thing to do, but he felt that he had to. That is strength.
3. Bush went into the National Guard, defending the skies of Texas in the 1970s. By any record, his service was not exemplary.
4. Kerry makes nuanced, complex decisions based on real world politics (much like Nixon or Bush Sr.); Bush makes simple good vs. evil decisions (an example being "Sadaam, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, and Kim Jong are EVIL, as the USA (IE the GOOD), we will vanquish the EVIL starting with the weakest link")
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Swift Vets
Progress for America Voter Fund
Club for Growth
College Republicans (the people that raised money by ripping off the elderly)

I find it hilarious that you're crying poor. The liberal 527's were less organized and worked less with the Democratic campaign than the conservative ones did. The conservative 527s were far more effective, because they were run better, raised money better, and outspent the others at the end of the race. Your point is valid that the 527's like MoveOn were ineffective, but please, don't play innocent.[/quote]

I think his only point was that the liberal 527s were ineffective, nothing else.

And OF COURSE the rep. groups were run better and raised more money. That goes without saying.
 
Lies and fear are more effective than telling the truth.

Jobs lost is less sensational than telling lies to attack a Vietnam veteran.
 
[quote name='jlarlee']He felt Kerry leaned too far left.[/quote]

I think the only response to that, then, is "So your dad is an idiot?" It sounds like he makes major decisions based on what the TV tells him to do instead of spending some time looking at actual reality.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']Lies and fear are more effective than telling the truth.

Jobs lost is less sensational than telling lies to attack a Vietnam veteran.[/quote]

Kerry did not get his discharge designation until 2 years after he left the service. Which also happens to be the amount of time it takes to change your discharge type. I would be real interested in finding out the real truth about what was going on there
 
[quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='Quackzilla']Lies and fear are more effective than telling the truth.

Jobs lost is less sensational than telling lies to attack a Vietnam veteran.[/quote]

Kerry did not get his discharge designation until 2 years after he left the service. Which also happens to be the amount of time it takes to change your discharge type. I would be real interested in finding out the real truth about what was going on there[/quote]

Why?

You think it's a huge conspiracy on the part of the military to cover-up for a guy who was telling the sad truth about the ineffective and unnecessary war that they were fighting?

And yet most Bush supporters don't believe that the government gives preferential treatment to Haliburton (no bid contracts, wanton overspending, etc) No, that's just a wild conspiracy.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='jlarlee'][quote name='Quackzilla']Lies and fear are more effective than telling the truth.

Jobs lost is less sensational than telling lies to attack a Vietnam veteran.[/quote]

Kerry did not get his discharge designation until 2 years after he left the service. Which also happens to be the amount of time it takes to change your discharge type. I would be real interested in finding out the real truth about what was going on there[/quote]

Why?

You think it's a huge conspiracy on the part of the military to cover-up for a guy who was telling the sad truth about the ineffective and unnecessary war that they were fighting?

And yet most Bush supporters don't believe that the government gives preferential treatment to Haliburton (no bid contracts, wanton overspending, etc) No, that's just a wild conspiracy.[/quote]

There are privacy laws that dictate what can be released other wise the truth would be out there
 
I think Kerry's records have b1a classification, which is "vital to national security".

Of course, so is half of John Wayne's file.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']I think Kerry's records have b1a classification, which is "vital to national security".

Of course, so is half of John Wayne's file.[/quote]

So true. I think it's awesome you came up with this info, with your avatar and all :)

Why are the details of Kerry's service such a big story? There's nothing there people.

This entire election was a train wreck. The tragedy will be for the people who will have to clean up the mess that's about to be created.
 
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