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Robertson suggests God smote Sharon
Evangelist links Israeli leader's stroke to 'dividing God's land'


(CNN) -- Television evangelist Pat Robertson suggested Thursday that Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's stroke was divine retribution for the Israeli withdrawal from Gaza, which Robertson opposed.

"He was dividing God's land, and I would say, 'Woe unto any prime minister of Israel who takes a similar course to appease the [European Union], the United Nations or the United States of America,'" Robertson told viewers of his long-running television show, "The 700 Club."

"God says, 'This land belongs to me, and you'd better leave it alone,'" he said.

Robertson's show airs on the ABC Family cable network and claims about 1 million viewers daily.

Sharon, 77, clung to life in a Jerusalem hospital Thursday after surgery to treat a severe stroke, his doctors said.

The prime minister, who withdrew Israeli settlers and troops from Gaza and parts of the West Bank last summer over heated objections from his own Likud Party, was breathing with the aid of a ventilator after doctors operated to stop the bleeding in his brain.

In Washington, President Bush offered praise for Sharon in a speech on Thursday.

"We pray for his recovery," Bush said. "He's a good man, a strong man. A man who cared deeply about the security of the Israeli people, and a man who had a vision for peace. May God bless him."

Daniel Ayalon, Israel's ambassador to the United States, compared Robertson's remarks to the overheated rhetoric of Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad. (Full story)

He called the comments "outrageous" and said they were not something to expect "from any of our friends."

"He is a great friend of Israel and a great friend of Prime Minister Sharon himself, so I am very surprised," Ayalon told CNN.

Robertson, 75, founded the Christian Coalition and in 1988 failed in a bid for the Republican presidential nomination. He last stirred controversy in August, when he called for the assassination of Venezuela's president, Hugo Chavez. (Full story)

Robertson later apologized, but still compared Chavez to Hitler and former Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein in the process.

The same month, the Anti-Defamation League criticized Robertson for warning that God would "bring judgment" against Israel for its withdrawal from Gaza, which it had occupied since the 1967 Mideast war.

Robertson said Thursday that Sharon was "a very likable person, and I am sad to see him in this condition."

He linked Sharon's health problems to the 1995 assassination of Israeli leader Yitzhak Rabin, who signed the Oslo peace accords that granted limited self-rule to Palestinians.

"It was a terrible thing that happened, but nevertheless, now he's dead," Robertson said.

Rabin was gunned down by a religious student opposed to the Oslo accords. The killer, Yigal Amir, admitted to the crime and was sentenced to life in prison.

Rev. Barry Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, criticized Robertson's comments Thursday, saying the televangelist "has a political agenda for the entire world."

"He seems to think God is ready to take out any world leader who stands in the way of that agenda," Lynn said in a written statement.

"A religious leader should not be making callous political points while a man is struggling for his life," he said. "I'm appalled."

Ralph Neas, president of liberal advocacy group People for the American Way, said "it is astonishing that Pat Robertson still wields substantial influence" in the Republican Party.

"Once again, Pat Robertson leaves us speechless with his insensitivity and arrogance," Neas said in a written statement.

According to The Associated Press, Robertson spokeswoman Angell Watts said of people who criticized the comments: "What they're basically saying is, 'How dare Pat Robertson quote the Bible?'"

"This is what the word of God says," Watts told the AP. "This is nothing new to the Christian community."



What a man of God, he only wants Jews there for them to die in the Apocoplypse which speaks of the Jews returning to the holy land. Its sad too that people listen to him.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']According to The Associated Press, Robertson spokeswoman Angell Watts said of people who criticized the comments: "What they're basically saying is, 'How dare Pat Robertson quote the Bible?'"

"This is what the word of God says," Watts told the AP. "This is nothing new to the Christian community."[/QUOTE]
At what point did he quote the bible?
 
[quote name='docvinh']Seriously, why does anyone listen to his guy? He's a fucking nutjob.[/QUOTE]

Senile, just like Hugh Hefner.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Oh yes, a suggestion by a televangelist has been is certainly newsworthy.

YAWN

Next.[/QUOTE]

You're just mad because if he was a muslim cleric you would have been the one to post the thread.
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']He's the gift that keeps on giving.[/QUOTE]
Yes in that way he's much like Herpes.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']You're just mad because if he was a muslim cleric you would have been the one to post the thread.[/QUOTE]

No, but I'll do you one better.

I'll give you the quotes from the head of a self-professed Islamic state.

"Hopefully, the news that the criminal of Sabra and Chatilla has joined his ancestors is final," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the semiofficial Iranian Students News Agency.

Ahmadinejad was referring to Sharon, who as defense minister in 1982 directed Israel's ill-fated invasion of Lebanon. An Israeli commission found him indirectly responsible for a massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps by Christian Phalangist soldiers.

.......

"Hopefully, others (criminals like him) will join him too," ISNA quoted Ahmadinejad as telling a group of clerics in Qom, a holy city 80 miles south of the capital, Tehran. He spoke a day after the 77-year-old Sharon suffered a massive stroke and underwent surgery.

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Of course you'll just dismiss this out of hand as irrelevant since the guy isn't a relgious leader, just the political head of a religous run state.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Ahmadinejad was referring to Sharon, who as defense minister in 1982 directed Israel's ill-fated invasion of Lebanon. An Israeli commission found him indirectly responsible for a massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps by Christian Phalangist soldiers.[/QUOTE]

This actually did happen however. Do you expect there to be no hard feelings?
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']No, but I'll do you one better.

I'll give you the quotes from the head of a self-professed Islamic state.

"Hopefully, the news that the criminal of Sabra and Chatilla has joined his ancestors is final," President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad was quoted as saying by the semiofficial Iranian Students News Agency.

Ahmadinejad was referring to Sharon, who as defense minister in 1982 directed Israel's ill-fated invasion of Lebanon. An Israeli commission found him indirectly responsible for a massacre of Palestinians in the Sabra and Chatilla refugee camps by Christian Phalangist soldiers.

.......

"Hopefully, others (criminals like him) will join him too," ISNA quoted Ahmadinejad as telling a group of clerics in Qom, a holy city 80 miles south of the capital, Tehran. He spoke a day after the 77-year-old Sharon suffered a massive stroke and underwent surgery.
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Of course you'll just dismiss this out of hand as irrelevant since the guy isn't a relgious leader, just the political head of a religous run state.[/QUOTE]

That guy is a democratically elected hardline former mayor who has no idea how to conduct himself on a national, let alone international, stage. He was elected due to promises of helping the poor and with the backing of many of the more religious and uneducated people.

If I remember correctly Bush (or at least McClellan) has made similar (though slightly more tasteful) comments in regards to Castro. Also, if I remember correctly, the description I gave of Ahmadinejad fits Bush perfectly, assuming you change promises of "helping the poor" to "screwing the poor" and change mayor to governor.

Though, as its been said already, those incidents really did happen. For someone who allowed a killing of that scale to happen that isn't exactly an odd or extreme comment, just a poor one for a politician.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Good work, PAD. I hope you similarly "YAWN; next!"'d Ahmedinejad's sentiments as quickly as you did Robertson's/[/QUOTE]

Let me know when Pat Robertson is the leader of a country, elected Seantor, Reepresentative.... oh hell, let me know when he's elected Dog Catcher.

You're comparing a nut with a TV show to a "elected" leader of a nation hoping to seek nuclear arms, denied the Holocaust ever happened and said Israel should be pushed off the map of the Middle East.

If you want to continue the illusory belief that both are of equal standing and carry equal weight in the world be my guest. For someone that is constantly wishing for more intellectual honesty you are exhibiting none.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Let me know when Pat Robertson is the leader of a country, elected Seantor, Reepresentative.... oh hell, let me know when he's elected Dog Catcher.

You're comparing a nut with a TV show to a "elected" leader of a nation hoping to seek nuclear arms, denied the Holocaust ever happened and said Israel should be pushed off the map of the Middle East.

If you want to continue the illusory belief that both are of equal standing and carry equal weight in the world be my guest. For someone that is constantly wishing for more intellectual honesty you are exhibiting none.[/QUOTE]
You would argue that Robertson has no influence? You're a fool.
 
Does he actually *weild* power, as in the case of Ahmedinejad? No.

Does he have access to and the ear of people in power? Does he serve as liason between a political party and its most outspoken consituency? Darn tootin'.

World of difference? Not as much as you would like to argue.
 
Pat Robertson decides he wants to nuke Iran. He declares on the 700 Club we should wipe the country off the map with MX and Minuteman III missiles.

He calls everyone in Congress he knows and asks for a Declaration of War and to approve a measure for whoever the sitting President is giving him/her approval to launch a nuclear attack on Iran with Congressional support.

Does he get it?

Nope.

Does the attack happen?

Nope.

President of Iran has at his disposal 25 nuclear warheads and calls for an attack on Israel in the morning using these weapons.

Would anyone in his government say no?

Would the mullahs object?
 
Yes, good of you to make an impossibly extreme example to show that Robertson is a peon who has to stand in line with the rest of the plebians to get into the White House.

I'll keep that in mind next time you want to call out some non-office-holding liberal for making outrageous statements. Howard Dean comes to mind.
 
Howard Dean, in contrast, is head of the DNC.

Are you going to compare say oh Rush Limbaugh as being equal in influence to the President of China? How about Sean Hannity to Tony Blar. Oh wait, for pure power let's compare Michael Savage to Vladmir Putin.

You're being a tard Mykey and you damn well you're being a tard.
 
Please monitor your grammar when executing ad hominems.

If you'd stop being purposefully obtuse and partisan, and perhaps cease using the most extreme examples as a means of proving your point, then this conversation might go somewhere.

Dean being head of the DNC is not meaningful if we take your perspective of the argument. He holds no office currently, and while he has access to people in positions of power (much like Robertson), if I take your argument, Dean is not an office-holder, and thus he has no power. Perhaps, if you can't wrap your mind around Dean, consider this: the man (or woman) who is the head of the Communist Party of America is, in terms of power, no different from Howard Dean. I hope that, in considering the much irrelevant head of the communist party, you can understand my point. Best of luck.
 
A White House spokesman called Pat Robertson’s comments about Ariel Sharon’s stroke “wholly inappropriate and offensive.”
Spokesman Trent Duffy responded Friday to the Christian leader’s suggestion that the Israeli prime minister, who suffered a massive stroke Wednesday, was being punished by God for dividing the Land of Israel by evacuating Jewish settlements in the Gaza Strip last summer. “I think those comments were wholly inappropriate and offensive, and really don’t have a place in this or any other debate,” Duffy said onboard Air Force One on Friday.

Robertson’s remarks have been repudiated by a range of religious leaders, as well as Israel’s ambassador to the United States, Daniel Ayalon.

http://jta.org/page_view_breaking_story.asp?intid=792
 
Of course Dean holds no office.

He lost.

He came in third in Iowa and imploded.

So Democrats do with losers what they've always done with losers. Held him up in high esteem and given him the reins of the party.

You'll notice who Democrats hold in high esteem; Jimmy Carter, biggest loser of them all revered as the "best" ex-President ever. Yeah, there's a noteworthy title best ex. Kind of like the "best team to never win a championship". Walter Mondale, lost 49 states, Democrats run him for Senator in Minnesota when Paul Wellstone passed away, what's he do? That's right, loses. Bob Shrum, what's he do? Loses what, 6, Presidential elections? What do Democrats declare him? Oh yeah, one of their best political operatives. John Kerry, Algore? Vocal critics of a President who beat them both. What are they? One Senator who people have already forgotten ran for President outside the beltway and one.... yes, there's that word again.... loser.

Oh yeah, have to add this. John Kerry lost to a President with an approval rating right at or below 50% yet that unpopular President still beat the alternative with more than 50%. Makes you wonder how big a loser you have to be for that to happen. I mean, just how do you not beat a politician, any politician who has a lower approval rating than they gained as a percentage of the popular vote?

L O S E R

Just like Howard Dean, just like Democrats in general.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Of course Dean holds no office.
Oh yeah, have to add this. John Kerry lost to a President with an approval rating right at or below 50% yet that unpopular President still beat the alternative with more than 50%. Makes you wonder how big a loser you have to be for that to happen. I mean, just how do you not beat a politician, any politician who has a lower approval rating than they gained as a percentage of the popular vote?
.[/QUOTE]

Jeesh, PAD, don't you know anything? Bush only won becuase of voter fraud in ohio. He stole the election just like the supreme court handed him the election the last time around. I'm suprised you can't see the democrats as the victims here.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Jeesh, PAD, don't you know anything? Bush only won becuase of voter fraud in ohio. He stole the election just like the supreme court handed him the election the last time around. I'm suprised you can't see the democrats as the victims here.[/QUOTE]


I dont really believe voter fraud, he just made the election about no real issues, made gays the focus of his campaign and rove turned Kerry's time in vietnam against him like he does so often, like with mccain and his adopted child.
 
PAD, in regards to your latest stream of consciousness post, I have no idea what it has to do with my arguments about power and influence, and I have no idea with whom you're arguing (I might as well have come and posted my favorite recipes, and it would be just as relevant); if it feels good, then do it, I suppose.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']PAD, in regards to your latest stream of consciousness post, I have no idea what it has to do with my arguments about power and influence, and I have no idea with whom you're arguing (I might as well have come and posted my favorite recipes, and it would be just as relevant); if it feels good, then do it, I suppose.[/QUOTE]

Can you make a good chili ?
 
Looks like old Pat really put his foot in his mouth this time:

Israel pulls plug on Pat Robertson deal
Updated: 8:14 a.m. ET Jan. 11, 2006
JERUSALEM - Israel won't do business with Pat Robertson after the evangelical leader suggested Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's massive stroke was divine punishment, a tourism official said Wednesday, putting into doubt plans to develop a large Christian tourism center in northern Israel.

Avi Hartuv, spokesman for Israel's tourism minister, said officials are furious with Robertson's suggestion that the stroke was retribution for Sharon's withdrawal from the Gaza Strip last summer. "We can't accept this kind of statement," Hartuv said.

Robertson is leading a group of evangelicals who have pledged to raise $50 million to build the Christian Heritage Center in Israel's northern Galilee region, where tradition says Jesus lived and taught.

Under a tentative agreement, Robertson's group was to put up the funding, while Israel would provide land and infrastructure. Israeli officials believe the project will generate tens of millions of tourism dollars.

But the project now is in question in light of Robertson's comments, said Hartuv.

"We will not do business with him, only with other evangelicals who don't back these comments," Hartuv said. "We will do business with other evangelical leaders, friends of Israel, but not with him."

A day after Sharon's stroke on Jan. 4, Robertson suggested the prime minister was being punished for "dividing God's land," a reference to the August pullout from the Gaza Strip and four West Bank settlements.

"God considers this land to be his," Robertson said on his TV program "The 700 Club." "You read the Bible and he says 'This is my land,' and for any prime minister of Israel who decides he is going to carve it up and give it away, God says, 'No, this is mine."'

Christian center planned near Galilee
Robertson's Christian Heritage Center was to be tucked away in 35 acres of rolling Galilee hills, near key Christian sites such as Capernaum, the Mount of the Beatitudes, where tradition says Jesus delivered the Sermon of the Mount, and Tabgha -- on the shores of the Sea of Galilee -- where Christians believe Jesus performed the miracle of the loaves and fish.

Israel was considering leasing the land to the Christians for free. Tourism Minister Avraham Hirschson predicted it would annually draw up to 1 million pilgrims who would spend $1.5 billion in Israel and support about 40,000 jobs.

"We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery ... are welcome to do business with us," Hartuv said. "We have to check this very, very carefully."


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10802750/

So let's try to understand Pat's logic - it's bad for Israel to give land to the Palestinians, but it's okay to give land to Pat. Wait, nevermind, I don't think I want to understand Pat.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']"We want to see who in the group supports his (Robertson's) statements. Those who support the statements cannot do business with us. Those that publicly support Ariel Sharon's recovery ... are welcome to do business with us," Hartuv said. "We have to check this very, very carefully."[/QUOTE]
Mazel tov! :lol: They don't come much sleazier than Pat so I applaud any efforts in his further shaming.
 
Mr Robertson was leading a group of evangelical Christians hoping to build the Galilee World Heritage Park.....

The centre was expected to cover nearly 35 acres (14 hectares) north-east of the Mount of Beatitudes, where Jesus is believed to have delivered the Sermon on the Mount.

It would have had a park, an auditorium, a Holy Land exhibition, outdoor amphitheatres, information centre and a media studio.

The Israeli government had tentatively agreed to provide land and infrastructure for the centre in the hope of generating millions of dollars from tourism.......

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4602186.stm

That was until he said god punished Sharon. Israel, realizing Robertson cares only about money, decided to hit him where it hurts:

Mr Hartuv said his government was furious with Mr Robertson's remarks.

"We were due to sign a contract in the near future with Mr Roberson for the construction of a new Christian heritage centre in the Galilee," he told the AFP news agency.

"We, as the State of Israel, cannot accept what he said and we will not do any business with him or with anyone else who agrees with his view."

But Mr Hartuv insisted Israel had not rejected outright the idea of building the centre.

"The contract is still open - just not with Mr Robertson."

Robertson now is panicking. His precious money that he would have made from the theme park is now being taken away from him. He has decided to apologize.

Mr Robertson wrote to Mr Sharon's son Omri to say he now realised his remarks were "inappropriate and insensitive".

He asked for forgiveness, but there is no suggestion the Israeli authorities will overturn a decision to block a tourism deal with the preacher.

Israel said on Wednesday it would no longer sign a $50m contract with him.

"My concern for the future safety of your nation led me to make remarks which I can now view in retrospect as inappropriate and insensitive in light of a national grief experienced because of your father's illness," said Mr Robertson's letter.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4610006.stm

Robertson must now find new methods of making money. For now he's just gonna have to settle with using virtual slave labor in Congo's diamond mines to satiate his greed.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4602186.stm

That was until he said god punished Sharon. Israel, realizing Robertson cares only about money, decided to hit him where it hurts:



Robertson now is panicking. His precious money that he would have made from the theme park is now being taken away from him. He has decided to apologize.



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/4610006.stm

Robertson must now find new methods of making money. For now he's just gonna have to settle with using virtual slave labor in Congo's diamond mines to satiate his greed.[/QUOTE]

F'd in the A!

About time some of the shit he spews catches up with him. I'm still hoping that Venezuela's gonna assassinate him.
 
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