Really, what has Nintendo done right? List reworked.

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They've botched so many things, I'm surprised they still stand in the industry. It's like they've been riding on the success of the NES and its licenses for 20 years...

Now, seriously, listen to me before you freak out and get all fanboyish on me - I LOVE NINTENDO, and MARIO and all the other licenses... I've owned EVERY single system they've had since the NES.

I just kinda wish that they would stop making hardware and focus on their games...

I just dont get the whole Nintendo bandwagon, just 2 years ago everyone hated Nintendo, then they remake the GBA again, talk about the Wii and release the first decent system in years (DS) and now everyone is in love with them again... I just dont follow the bandwagon, and I think its idiotic to get screwed by Nintendo again and again. So, tell me... why is NINTENDO so awesome? Because 2 years ago, they were going the way of ATARI. Is it just cool to like them cause they're the underdog? Because newsflash, they're NOT the underdog, they're freakin NINTENDO.

- Here's why I dont trust them.
  1. The first GBA, you couldnt see the screen.. and when they fixed it and resold it as the GBA SP for another $100+ dollars, they made you pay extra for a headphone adapter for a Portable game system!
  2. They screwed up the whole Squaresoft thing years ago and still havent really patched it up. I mean, didn't square hold the Snes together? Chrono Trigger, Secret of Mana, Final Fantasy....
  3. They've lost tons of 3rd party support, EA being a major one.
  4. Dual screen is a Gimmick... and the DS doesnt have enough titles that fully support the touch screen.
  5. Mario Party is retarded, and nintendo has focued attention on that... and not they're highest selling gamecube game, Smash Brothers.
  6. Metroid has been losing and regaining powers since the 80's, another story PLEASE.
  7. Zelda will be cancelled for the gamecube, and only for Wii - YOU KNOW IT.
  8. Wheres all the fighters, RPGs or Shmups?
  9. Why is Gamecube the new Dreamcast?
  10. Why doesnt Nintendo pay companies for exclusive titles like MS and Sony does? They did what, one Capcom contract? What about all the other 3rd party games made exclusive for Gamecube that jumped ship? Was their no legal binding contract?
  11. If they're the lowest selling current console system, how come they're games never drop in price?
  12. Super Mario Bros. 3 is one of the top selling games of all time... why not release a 3d Mario with the same ideas that made that one so inventive?
  13. Dr Mario sold 4.85 million copies, Kid Icarus sold 1.76 Million copies, Punch Out sold 3 Million copies, Luigi's Mansion sold 3.27 million copies.... sequel? Anyone? What about Animal Crossing? Couldn't they at least put that online, or released extended content? I mean, only one Smash Brothers, Mario Kart & Mario platformer per console? Whats the point?
  14. Why does Star Fox suck now?
  15. No Online support?
  16. Crappy support of the GBA to Gamecube link?
  17. Mario needs to stop play sports, and release a good game.
  18. I'm sorry, but the Mario sports games only sell because it's mario, and its the only sports games released anymore. Even Hot Shots Golf, is three times better than Mario Golf.
  19. Nintendo games lack replayability now. Even flagship titles dont have hours of finding items in them anymore.
  20. Why not just kill the gamecube? Why even bother to sell it still, if you havent done anything for it in a year or two?
  21. Games that would of been PERFECT on the Gamecube. Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, Eye Toy series, DDR series, exclusive Sonic titles.... hell, why Nintendo didnt just have Sega make exclusive titles for the gamecube is beyond me. Sega releases alot of crap now, but the gamecube is perfect for alot of Sega's old licenses... Imagine Space Harrier on the gamecube exclusive.
  22. If the GBA SP, is what the GBA should of been all along, and the DS lite is what the DS should of been all along, then should I just not buy a Wii until its fixed too?
You can flame me if you want, but I just dont see the appeal anymore. I love Nintendo licenses, but I feel like I'm taunted by with what Nintendo could be and not what it is.
 
I disagree with most of your points. I think they're doing more right just by looking to the future of gaming, rather than sitting pretty and banking off of FPS and "urban" games.

i don't feel like backing anything up though...I'm sure if someone cares too, they will point out all the same stuff I would. :lol:

what does this have to do with the Wii though? how are they trying to screw people with the Wii? (
 
I think you just misunderstand that Nintendo was never going the way of Atari and has and will always will have a huge fanbase because they make awesome games.

Some of my favorite games this gen were on GCN even tho I owned a PS2, Xbox and gaming PC.
 
[quote name='Apossum']I disagree with most of your points. I think they're doing more right just by looking to the future of gaming, rather than sitting pretty and banking off of FPS and "urban" games.

i don't feel like backing anything up though...I'm sure if someone cares too, they will point out all the same stuff I would. :lol:

what does this have to do with the Wii though? how are they trying to screw people with the Wii? (
 
[quote name='the3rdkey']I think you just misunderstand that Nintendo was never going the way of Atari and has and will always will have a huge fanbase because they make awesome games.

Some of my favorite games this gen were on GCN even tho I owned a PS2, Xbox and gaming PC.[/quote]

Awesome, name them. And name ones that werent on any other systems or remakes.
 
dude every company makes mistakes, look at some of the mistakes sony made with gaming alone:umd, broken systems, loss of rumble, possibly blu-ray.

Nintendo has been building the hype for Wii well, without releasin much info at all
 
#5 is wrong. The support will come as developers learn to use it. Dual screen won't instantly make every game better...but The Sims 2 has shown me that it can totally revamp portable gameplay.

I do agree that the DS is the only thing they have done REALLY RIGHT over the past years. They've had a hold on the portable market *just because*, but the DS was an innovation.
 
[quote name='munch']I think you could clear this list down to about 6 things if you cut out all of the redundancies.[/quote]

Then do it, and I'll replace my list... I thought the only redundant ones were the Squaresoft ones.
 
[quote name='munch']I think you could clear this list down to about 6 things if you cut out all of the redundancies.[/quote]


Agreed - you listed EA at least 2 times and they seem to be jumping back on board for Wii (from what I've read), so maybe at least 2 of your complaints will be solved.

Also, Square is slowly coming back around and Nintendo seems to be at least attempting to forge a relationship (something they refused to even think about in the past).

Last thing I want to say: People will always love Nintendo because Nintendo is simple. They represent gaming in it's finest form - FUN.
 
You bitched about EA support more than once. But if you ask me, it's a blessing that EA won't touch the cube.

But I like how you're #13 answered itself.
 
I generally agree with the OP.

Behold the newest Nintendo gimmick! The Wii controller! (Nevermind that most people will get tired of using it the gimmicky way, and turn it 90 degrees to use as a regular controller, thus yielding the Gamecube II).
 
I do agree with some of the statements you made but I don't really want to go down the list and answer each one. The one MAIN reason I like Nintendo is because they care about games and only games. I really don't like the whole media direction that Sony and MS has taken...not because extras aren't nice but because I feel as if too much energy is focused on that. I like that Nintendo makes quality hardware and if its not quality they stand behind making it right.

I walked away from Nintendo during the N64 (I bought a playstation). Still my least favorite Nintendo system. The Gamecube however has given me lots of enjoyment which really is the main point. I don't play too much online so that really isn't a huge draw for me. I realize there is a lack of 3rd party games but if the CUBE has it I'm buying that version for shorter load times and for playing with the wavebird.

The DS definitely has some games that I feel I couldn't have played anywhere else. Pac-Pix and Pac N Roll were in my opinion amazing. Short but amazing. As long as I can play and have fun them I'm in. Some games do use the dual screens well (Sonic Rush Metroid Pinball) its just that not every game really calls for them.

I think the Wii will be great because like the DS we'll get all new original games as well as standard games that we all know and love. Like Castlevania on the DS.

I hear you on Starfox though....Assault was eh and the original and 64 are so great. I hope command on the DS will be better but people already said controlling the ship with the stylus was so-so. Hopefully they'll have a normal control option.
 
Almost all of that was fanboy drivel, but

"If they're the lowest selling current console system, how come they're games never drop in price?"

It's "their", but it's true. They take way too long to come down.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']Nintendo has been building the hype for Wii well, without releasin much info at all[/quote]

How do you figure? They've been at, at least 2 E3s, maybe 3... talking about how revelutionary the Wii will be.

- Virtual Console is a cool idea... but thats not really that innovative. I'm sure they didnt even think it would sell till Xbox Live arcade.

- From whats been said, the Wii wasnt even that awesome at E3.

- Its a mouse. Or a stylus in another form. Get ready for DS sequels.

- Isnt one of the big selling points is the fact that FPS is perfect for the system? Who was talking about FPSs not being a focus of Nintendo?
 
1. I don't know if that's wholly true. I could see the screen just fine in well lit areas, but most of the time was was difficult, yes.
2. Yeah.
3. Oh yeah.
4. I don't know if it's their fault... EA can't help the fact that most Nintendo system owners buy Nintendo games. For third party games, they go to MS or Sony.
5. You can't say it's a gimmick if there have been some games that make good use the functions (Nintendogs, Brain Age, etc.). It just shows the games that need it, use it because it has the option. And games that don't need it, use it for something non-intrusive (like NSMB).
6. Mario Party is damn fun with friends. Take a look at Mario Party and SSBM, which one do you think turns out more money (revenue)?
7. And we've been saving the world from immanent evil in every single game, what's your point?
8. ...
9. So, you'd rather those series became like Mario Party and Pokemon?
10. Besides the PS2, I don't think either one of the current gen's consoles covers every genre very well.
11. The Dreamcast survived for 1.5 years, the GC made for almost five.
12. They don't pay for exclusives because they have the most recognizable franchises to date. Besides, unless they bought out the studio it won't be easy to keep exclusives (like the games made by Silicon Knights and Factor 5).
13. Because if they can keep selling those games at $50, then they will. Do you think any other company would just decide to drop the price of their games if it continued to sell enough to turn a profit?
14. Super Mario Bros 3 is not the best selling game of all time, it's Super Mario Bros. http://www.vgcharts.org/worldtotals.php
15. They held up the SNES? Are you kidding me? They probably made up a small fraction of game sales on the SNES.
16. Do we really need another Tetris? (see: Tetris DS)
17. Again, do you want another Mario Party and Pokemon?
18. Compare those numbers to other games for the respective consoles, you'll see why there's no sequel (maybe except for Luigi's Mansion).
19. Because Nintendo hasn't made one since the N64 days.
20. Nope, because they wanted to make it either way and so far it has its advantages over the others (though I'd rather have XB Live).
21. It was a bad idea... and you want them to keep supporting it?
22. Read #4.
23. Mario does everything... and most of his sports games are good at the very least.
24. Mario sports are fun and easy to pick up, and a lot more enjoyable if you have friends playing with you.
25. When did a majority of Nintendo games ever have replayability?
26. They've admitted they screwed up, but they're not going to completely leave the people who supported them. Go see MS and the Xbox if you want a premature death of a system.
27. Ok, you're definitely on the wrong system.
28. Why didn't MS and Sony have Super Mario Bros. on their system? It takes a huge amount of money to get system exclusives, that's why they worked out 5 from Capcom. Then Capcom screwed them over.
29. How many times did Nintendo do revisions of its consoles?

After reading all those, I'd have to ask.. have you seriously been a Nintendo lover all this time? I seriously don't think you have...
 
[quote name='Doom Gaze']Almost all of that was fanboy drivel, but [/quote]

Fanboy of what? My favorite compainies are Nintendo and Sega.

It's just the both of them are severly lacking now.

I think for it to be fanboy drivel, wouldnt I be upping another system?

I LOVE NINTENDO. I just wish they would be amazing, instead of mediocre. Paper Mario 2 was good, but really... can we have a NEW title?

Is it just me, or did all of Nintendo's and Sega's brightest and most innovative game designers die in the 90's?
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']How do you figure? They've been at, at least 2 E3s, maybe 3... talking about how revelutionary the Wii will be.
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there is hype because you are talking about it, there is hype because we are all talking about it. They have barely released info, which makes people want more info. There is a slow media hype wagon developing. I have seen many mainstreams news and media programs run something about the Wii already, and no one has a clue.


I am the first to admit they have made a ton of mistakes, but they are at least still around to correct them
 
Responses in bold, that took way too much effort :p

[quote name='Mookyjooky']They've botched so many things, I'm surprised they still stand in the industry. It's like they've been riding on the success of the NES and its licenses for 20 years...

Now, seriously, listen to me before you freak out and get all fanboyish on me - I LOVE NINTENDO, and MARIO and all the other licenses... I've owned EVERY single system they've had since the NES.

I just kinda wish that they would stop making hardware and focus on their games...

I just dont get the whole Nintendo bandwagon, just 2 years ago everyone hated Nintendo, then they remake the GBA again, talk about the Wii and release the first decent system in years (DS) and now everyone is in love with them again... I just dont follow the bandwagon, and I think its idiotic to get screwed by Nintendo again and again. So, tell me... why is NINTENDO so awesome? Because 2 years ago, they were going the way of ATARI. Is it just cool to like them cause they're the underdog? Because newsflash, they're NOT the underdog, they're freakin NINTENDO.

- Here's why I dont trust them.
  1. The first GBA was a joke, you couldnt see the screen
    This sort of thing happens often. If you can't see the screen, don't buy it.
  2. The GBA SP needed an adapter (Which you had to buy!) to plug headphones in.
    Stupid, agreed.
  3. They screwed up the whole Squaresoft thing years ago and still havent really patched it up.
    Yes, but they are working on it as can be seen by a lot of the nice DS titles we've seen, hopefully it will continue with Wii.
  4. They've lost tons of 3rd party support. EA,
    A lot of this is residual from the previous generations, I think. And they seem to be coming around this time. Nintendo has new leadership, let's see where it goes.
  5. Dual screen is a Gimmick... and the DS doesnt have enough titles that fully support the touch screen.
    Disagree. The best use of the second screen is a persistent map. Anything they do on the touch screen in those games is just icing. Remember, there are some console games that don't use all the buttons on the controller.
  6. Mario Party is retarded, and nintendo has focued attention on that... and not they're highest selling gamecube game, Smash Brothers.
    What are they supposed to focus on with SSBM? A sequel on the GC, when it's already one of the highest selling titles? Why bother?
  7. Metroid has been losing and regaining powers since the 80's, another story PLEASE.
    This point is contradicted by a lot of your requests for more games from every other franchise, maybe you just don't like Metroid much?
  8. Zelda will be cancelled for the gamecube, and only for Wii - YOU KNOW IT.
    Maybe, maybe not, does it matter?
  9. Only one SSB, Mario Kart & Mario game per console? Whats the point?
    People buy it?
  10. Wheres all the fighters, RPGs or Shmups?
    That's not the kind of company they are. They can't have a studio with top talent for every genre. That's where third parties come in.
  11. Why is Gamecube the new Dreamcast?
    You mean 4 years after it was introduced?
  12. Why doesnt Nintendo pay companies for exclusive titles like MS and Sony does?
    Because they make their own exclusives.
  13. If they're the lowest selling current console system, how come they're games never drop in price?
    Because everyone buys them.
  14. Super Mario Bros. 3 is one of the top selling games of all time... why not release a 3d Mario with the same ideas that made that one so inventive?
    Most of the ideas wouldn't translate to 3D. And people bitched enough about the great game that was NSMB which was making a new 2D mario with the same ideas that made that one so inventive.
  15. Squaresoft held up the Snes, WTF? Why isnt Nintendo on their hands and knees getting them back?
    Redundant.
  16. No Nintendo Tetris for the Gamecube?
    Nope. But there's one for the DS. I think they had tried to make one for GC but some licensing deal got screwed up or they missed a window or something.
  17. Only one animal crossing, and a remake for the DS?
    How many do you want?
  18. Dr Mario sold 4.85 million copies, Kid Icarus sold 1.76 Million copies, Punch Out sold 3 Million copies, Luigi's Mansion sold 3.27 million copies.... sequel?
    Super Punch-Out. They aren't gonna make a sequel for everything. And other people would complain if they did.
  19. Why does Star Fox suck now?
    I wish I knew.
  20. No Online support?
    Not anymore.
  21. Crappy support of the GBA to Gamecube link?
    Because it was a pain in the ass. Let's anticipate better use and support of a DS to Wii link.
  22. All of gamecubes best exclusive 3rd party titles are jumping to the PS2 and Xbox...
    Higher installed base.
  23. Mario needs to stop play sports, and release a good game.
    He does both.
  24. I'm sorry, but the Mario sports games only sell because it's mario, and its the only sports games released anymore. Even Hot Shots Golf, is three times better than Mario Golf.
    Your opinion, I greatly enjoy the Mario sports games, though Tennis was a bit of a disappointment for me since I was looking for one with more difficulty.
  25. Nintendo games lack replayability now. Even flagship titles dont have hours of finding items in them anymore.
    Examples, por favor.
  26. Why not just kill the gamecube? Why even bother to sell it still, if you havent done anything for it in a year or two?
    Because it sells and they're making money off it.
  27. What happened to EA?
    They're in various cities around the country and the world. They are also working on 6 games for Wii, including more unannounced titles. They didn't make enough money on their sports franchises on the GC, so stopped supporting them.
  28. Games that would of been PERFECT on the Gamecube. Kingdom Hearts, Dragon Quest, Eye Toy series, DDR series, exclusive Sonic titles.... hell, why Nintendo didnt just have Sega make exclusive titles for the gamecube is beyond me. Sega releases alot of crap now, but the gamecube is perfect for alot of Sega's old licenses... Imagine Space Harrier on the gamecube exclusive.
    This is under Nintendo's control how?
  29. If the GBA SP, is what the GBA should of been all along, and the DS lite is what the DS should of been all along, then should I just not buy a Wii until its fixed too?
    They always revise portables. They never revise consoles. Portables can always be made more portable. All consoles can do is be made more powerful, which presents versioning issues so isn't done.
You can flame me if you want, but I just dont see the appeal anymore. I love Nintendo licenses, but I feel like I'm taunted by with what Nintendo could be and not what it is.[/QUOTE]
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']How do you figure? They've been at, at least 2 E3s, maybe 3... talking about how revelutionary the Wii will be.

- Virtual Console is a cool idea... but thats not really that innovative. I'm sure they didnt even think it would sell till Xbox Live arcade.

- From whats been said, the Wii wasnt even that awesome at E3.

- Its a mouse. Or a stylus in another form. Get ready for DS sequels.

- Isnt one of the big selling points is the fact that FPS is perfect for the system? Who was talking about FPSs not being a focus of Nintendo?[/QUOTE]

I gotta disagree with two of these, although this entire forum is merely opinion of perspective.

The Virtual Console is a great idea, as Nintendo has wanted a way to kill both emulation and the game collecting market for ages. Why? They aren't making money from them. They have looked at services such as Gametap and realized (FINALLY) that there is still demand for the old software. Therefore, they have really gone the extra mile to secure deals with former console makers to emulate other consoles. Thus, Nintendo/former hardware manufacturers/software companies have now established a method to profit from software once thought obsolete. By doing so, they realize that the best way to fight emulation is to offer emulation themselves.

The DS isn't as much of a gimmick as you think. It has made a booming market (handheld gaming) much more accessible to users who otherwise wouldn't be interested. 2 cases in point: 1, my girlfriend (who plays the shit out of Brain Age and New SM), and 2., they're even marketing the damned thing towards middle aged housewives (Nintendo has actually advertised the thing by buying commercial airtime during soap operas/The View/etc etc etc). Therefore, it isn't an issue of being a gimmick; yet instead, it's a new input method for the user to access the software.

Nintendo may be releasing "gimmicks", but it can also be seen as a revolutionary way of viewing gaming input. Most manufacturers wouldn't have the balls to risk innovation out of the possibility of lost profits.

Lastly.. once upon a time, someone logged onto their computer when GUI's became popular and navigated their screens using tab and enter. Then the person said "hey.. it'd be nice to have a form of input to just point and click on the things I want to do." Thus.. the mouse was born. I'm sure somebody called it a gimmick then.. but look at it now. I'm willing to bet you used it to submit your replies :)
 
[quote name='Skylander7'] I'm willing to bet you used it to submit your replies :)[/QUOTE]
I didn't know you could use the mouse on CAG... I've been doing lots of tabbing and enter. :whistle2:(
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']I generally agree with the OP.

Behold the newest Nintendo gimmick! The Wii controller! (Nevermind that most people will get tired of using it the gimmicky way, and turn it 90 degrees to use as a regular controller, thus yielding the Gamecube II).[/QUOTE]

Not to mention that I'd imagine its difficult to get any sort of precision with it. You're gonna be anywhere from 5-10 ft from your TV. I think the Wii controller will be really fun at first but then will just end up feeling like a hassle to play after 6 months of owning it.
 
[quote name='Vinny']11. The Dreamcast survived for 1.5 years, the GC made for almost five.[/quote]

I was talking about some of the Gamecube's top selling games were Dreamcast rehashes.

[quote name='Vinny']13. Because if they can keep selling those games at $50, then they will. Do you think any other company would just decide to drop the price of their games if it continued to sell enough to turn a profit? [/quote]

I guess its just Nintendo making money off their failures... they make a shitload of money on shitty sports games because they're the only ones on the system. They make a lot of money on all games, because the system has none.


[quote name='Vinny'] 14. Super Mario Bros 3 is not the best selling game of all time, it's Super Mario Bros.[/quote]

Actually, Super Mario Bros. was a pack in, Super Mario 3 is the best selling non-pack-in game of all time. But if you notice, I didnt even say that, because I said "One of the best selling games of all time"... not "The best selling game of all time". But in both instances, I'm right.

[quote name='Vinny'] 15. They held up the SNES? Are you kidding me? They probably made up a small fraction of game sales on the SNES. [/quote]

You're right, in the SNES days... Squaresoft sales were low. :roll:

[quote name='Vinny'] 18. Compare those numbers to other games for the respective consoles, you'll see why there's no sequel (maybe except for Luigi's Mansion).[/quote]

Dr Mario selling almost 5 million copies in a time period where gaming was a speck of what it is today, is nothing short of AMAZING. Where have you been?

[quote name='Vinny'] 19. Because Nintendo hasn't made one since the N64 days. [/quote]

Then NINTENDO loses. Really, its their license... who's fault is that when its gets dragged through the mud? Please.

[quote name='Vinny'] 21. It was a bad idea... and you want them to keep supporting it? [/quote]

Not really, I just want them to stop gouging the customer for new items they never support. They're worst than Sega was now.

E-Reader, GBA2GC link, GBA player, anything Pokemon, Backwards compatibility with older GB games, GBA now that the DS is out, it's like they give up after they screw their customers into buying this crap. The new DS lite doesnt even fit GBA game correctly, jesus...

[quote name='Vinny'] 23. Mario does everything... and most of his sports games are good at the very least.

24. Mario sports are fun and easy to pick up, and a lot more enjoyable if you have friends playing with you. [/quote]

I havent seen a good sports one since the 64. The games are tired, and lack innovation. Just graphical upgrades, thats not worth $50.

[quote name='Vinny'] 27. Ok, you're definitely on the wrong system. [/quote]

1st 4 games I bought on the gamecube - 1. Mario Sunshine, Wave Race, Rebel Assualt and Burnout 2. After Nintendo decided to make the system a minigame system (IE: Mario sports, Warioware and Mario Party) - and Rebel Assault got old... I guess I was on the wrong system. I was expecting another Mario game at least.

[quote name='Vinny'] 28. Why didn't MS and Sony have Super Mario Bros. on their system? It takes a huge amount of money to get system exclusives, that's why they worked out 5 from Capcom. Then Capcom screwed them over. [/quote]

Did Capcom screw Nintendo? Or did Nintendo screw Capcom by releasing a system and then riding off of Capcom titles till its death.

[quote name='Vinny'] 29. How many times did Nintendo do revisions of its consoles?[/quote]

SNES = Snes ver. 2
NES = Nes top loader
N64 = Multi-colored ones and Pikachu ones.
Gamecube = Multi-colored ones.
GB = GB pocket, GB color
GBA = GBA SP, GBA micro - a million different colors.
DS = DS lite

[quote name='Vinny'] After reading all those, I'd have to ask.. have you seriously been a Nintendo lover all this time? I seriously don't think you have...[/quote]

Being a Nintendo lover doesnt = blindly buying their garbage.

Sorry, but the Virtual Boy was "Revolutionary". Just getting tired of the BS and want Nintendo to focus on giving us an awesome gaming experience and not release garbage for us to support and jump ship the second it drops leaving people with nothing.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Not to mention that I'd imagine its difficult to get any sort of precision with it. You're gonna be anywhere from 5-10 ft from your TV. I think the Wii controller will be really fun at first but then will just end up feeling like a hassle to play after 6 months of owning it.[/QUOTE]
If it was a pointer, that would be a problem. You don't have to aim on the TV, you just move till the pointer gets where you want it to be, much like with an analog stick.

No one has much difficulty with light gun games anyway... hell, Duck Hunt didn't even have a reticule, and people were able to hit ducks from 10 feet away.
 
[quote name='botticus']If it was a pointer, that would be a problem. You don't have to aim on the TV, you just move till the pointer gets where you want it to be, much like with an analog stick.

No one has much difficulty with light gun games anyway... hell, Duck Hunt didn't even have a reticule, and people were able to hit ducks from 10 feet away.[/QUOTE]

Or by getting pissed when they sat with the zapper held up against the TV screen for hours realizing that the game didn't stop at level 99! Damned clay pigeons...
 
I remember sitting and playing Shadow of the Colossus and thinking, "God this is what Zelda was supposed to become".

The innocence of youth, and needing to find a way to save the one he loves while battling the evils within.

The first Zelda on the NES was like that.

The hero from colossus was weak, feeble and had a very scared / worried look about him. As his adventures went on, he became War torn and hardened... but still had a divine innocence...

I really felt for the hero in colossus, I was rooting for him. He was weak, but he could topple a mountain. I felt like I was truely connected.

Zelda feels like I'm playing with toys. I dont care for Link, or all the funky looking village people. If everyone's happy and funky? Then why not just leave Ganon in charge? Hell....

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Metroid series... why not rebirth the licence with giving you all the powers she's always had, but make it 3rd person a
fast and furious with some parts where she doesnt have the suit? Change things around... the 1st person view was slow nad clunky and kinda ruined metroid for me.

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Really, is there any reason why Kid Icarus doesnt have a sequel?

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I think Nintendo's biggest issue is the fact that their licenses are 20 years old, and gamers are around 25-32 male... so why does Nintendo make games for children? Even the Zeldas on the N64 were very teenager-y.... now were older, why not a real Zelda?

Wind Waker was cute... but I really want the epic story of innocence and finding your love... Something exciting! I felt like I was just doing a bunch of busy work at the end. After playing it for weeks, I just gave up when I needed to get the pieces of the master sword at the end... what the hell?

Mario was supposed to be fun and cute, why is all of Nintendo's licenses fun and cute now?
 
[quote name='botticus']If it was a pointer, that would be a problem. You don't have to aim on the TV, you just move till the pointer gets where you want it to be, much like with an analog stick.

No one has much difficulty with light gun games anyway... hell, Duck Hunt didn't even have a reticule, and people were able to hit ducks from 10 feet away.[/QUOTE]

See but the problem is that you won't have any frame of reference to know where you're pointing in a game unless there's a targetting reticule or something. Light gun games are one thing, hell that's the entire point of the challenge in a light gun game, hitting a target. I don't want to be playing Mario, see a cut scene, and then not know where my controller is precisely pointed once I get back. Unless of course it "resets" itself back to a zero point from time to time. You let go of an analog stick and the spring brings it back to the zero point, what's going to be the equivalent with the pointer?

We'll see once it come out but I think Mooky's on to something, the motion sensor thing is gonna get old.
 
Also there saying to use a gamecube controller for the new smash bros game. I think I will wait till it drops to $150
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']See but the problem is that you won't have any frame of reference to know where you're pointing in a game unless there's a targetting reticule or something. Light gun games are one thing, hell that's the entire point of the challenge in a light gun game, hitting a target. I don't want to be playing Mario, see a cut scene, and then not know where my controller is precisely pointed once I get back. Unless of course it "resets" itself back to a zero point from time to time. You let go of an analog stick and the spring brings it back to the zero point, what's going to be the equivalent with the pointer?

We'll see once it come out but I think Mooky's on to something, the motion sensor thing is gonna get old.[/quote]

From what I've seen, it has an annoying reticule that flashes and shakes all over the screen... honestly, to me... that's highly irrating.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']See but the problem is that you won't have any frame of reference to know where you're pointing in a game unless there's a targetting reticule or something. Light gun games are one thing, hell that's the entire point of the challenge in a light gun game, hitting a target. I don't want to be playing Mario, see a cut scene, and then not know where my controller is precisely pointed once I get back. Unless of course it "resets" itself back to a zero point from time to time. You let go of an analog stick and the spring brings it back to the zero point, what's going to be the equivalent with the pointer?

We'll see once it come out but I think Mooky's on to something, the motion sensor thing is gonna get old.[/QUOTE]
Mario Galaxy and Twilight Princess both had cursor-type things on the screen indicating the location of the pointer. If that sort of control is necessary, I'm pretty sure it will be included.

But seriously Mooky, I understand this is you venting, but if you don't like the concept of the Wii and its games, then don't buy it. They're not changing anything at this point that will make you happier. If everyone feels like you, then Nintendo will sell ten consoles and stop making them this generation. Then they will just make games and probably handhelds. But congratulations, when they are left with nothing but game licenses, you better believe they will be whored out to Sony and MS in ways you can't even imagine and they'll sell like hotcakes.

Me? I'm incredibly excited about the Wii, and whenever I drop by EB to throw more games at them, we end up talking about how we can't wait for this thing to get released. Not everyone's gonna be happy with every piece of electronics, but I think it's going to be a winner. Yeah, I'd probably be equally excited about the 360 if it were at the same price point because it's not as if I hate games in their current incarnation, but it's not, so I'll get excited about picking that up in two or three years.
 
I think you make a lot of good points Mooky, and as a fellow Nintendo fan, I tend to agree with many of them.

I'm still afraid that the Wii will go the way of the Gamecube, the Wiimote will get old fast, and there will only really be about thirty games sort of worth buying for it during its entire run.

Really, if there's anything you were 100% right about, it's that they made Star Fox suck hard - that makes me sadder than anything else.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']
- Here's why I dont trust them.
  1. Mario Party is retarded, and nintendo has focued attention on that... and not they're highest selling gamecube game, Smash Brothers.
  2. Only one SSB, Mario Kart & Mario game per console? Whats the point?
  3. If they're the lowest selling current console system, how come they're games never drop in price?
  4. Super Mario Bros. 3 is one of the top selling games of all time... why not release a 3d Mario with the same ideas that made that one so inventive?
  5. Dr Mario sold 4.85 million copies, Kid Icarus sold 1.76 Million copies, Punch Out sold 3 Million copies, Luigi's Mansion sold 3.27 million copies.... sequel?
  6. Why does Star Fox suck now?
  7. Mario needs to stop play sports, and release a good game.
[/QUOTE]


This is the stuff that really struck a chord with me, too.

- This what I agree with the most, about the price drops. It's RIDICULOUS how Nintendo has a Player's Choice that they never add to (or maybe add to it once a year). I mean, cmon, at least put Mario Tennis on there, game has been out forever. Nintendo makes it seem like a big deal when they cut prices on one of their games... I think if they had a fully featured Player's Choice offering they'd get a bit more support. And yea, the no price drops thing always seems retarded to me, they'd get a bit more sales on games like Chibi Robo if they weren't $50. Nintendo likes to price gouge, I guess, that's evident by the $35 tags their first party DS games command (but everyone complains about $40 PSP games? wtf?)

- Mario Party is retarded, but I guess someone somewhere is still buying it for Nintendo to keep making the damn things. Look at the average reviews, they all get deemed pretty mediocre, you think Nintendo would change the damn formula after awhile. As long as people keep buying it Nintendo will keep churning out shitty sequels.

- Only one SSB per system is flat out retarded. Nintendo made two Pikmin's, two Metroid Prime's, two Zelda's (if TP still comes to the Cube), yet they couldn't crank out a sequel to (as Mooky put it) their best selling game? I would have bought a Cube SSB sequel day 1, as well as alot of other people. On the same note, why Nintendo has completely forgotten about Punch Out is way beyond me.

Hey, here's a point I'll add for you:

- Why does Nintendo not think we're worthy enough of getting ANY new Earthbound game? We didn't get the compliation for GBA, we didn't get Mother 3, and Japan is now getting another compliation for the DS that Nintendo probably won't bring out here either. You know what, fuck it, Nintendo leaves ALOT of its games in Japan, games that are supposedly decent, like Stafi, Kuru Kuruin, Nintendo Puzzle Collection, as well as half of its Nintendo Classics line (which were ripoff's anyways, but I at least wanted Kid Icarus). I thought the days of leaving awesome properties in Japan was over?

I might take a wait and see approach on the Wii, because Cube started out strong and I was sure it would be awesome, but then everyone just abandoned it and there are only about 30 awesome games worth playing on it (which is still a step up from the Nintendo 64). Nintendo also gave up on the Gamecube way in advance, as well, same as Microsoft with the Xbox.

At least Sony plans on supporting the Playstation 2 still.
 
I'm not Anti-Wii.... I'm against Nintendo taking the kiddie "fun" and easy to pick up concept to gaming too literally to ALL of their titles.

They really need to back off a bit, and study their old games and try to realize what made them so great. They went so kiddie with all of their titles it kinda insults my intelligence on how horrifically easy they all are to beat.

I havent been challenged in a Nintendo game since - Mario 64... and I couldnt even get past the first level of DMC 3 on the PS2.

I'm not that good, yet I feel like every console Nintendo game is worth $10 bucks... thats not a good feeling. The DS titles are worth a bit more... especially Animal Crossing for the DS.

If Nintendo was going to spend less time on production and value of a game, then why not make the gamecube a cheap game system where you could buy tons of easy and fun games? You know the only reason Mario and his friends are in every game is because that way they dont have to make any new 3D enviroments. Now that goes for the Wii as well, as the Wii is a Gamecube.

In fact, if the Wii is running off a Gamecube at E3.... then why not release an attachment to the gamecube? =) Why do we need to spend another $250 for a gamecube with a lightgun attached to it? You telling me that the cube doesnt have the expansion for it?
 
[quote name='2Fast']I think you make a lot of good points Mooky, and as a fellow Nintendo fan, I tend to agree with many of them.

I'm still afraid that the Wii will go the way of the Gamecube, the Wiimote will get old fast, and there will only really be about thirty games sort of worth buying for it during its entire run.

Really, if there's anything you were 100% right about, it's that they made Star Fox suck hard - that makes me sadder than anything else.[/QUOTE]

After how much I regret buying a cube 1 month after launch, I don't think I'll be getting a Wii. I own 5 games for the system still and the only reason I keep those around are for when I have friends over. There were some really great games for the Cube but unfortunately they were few and far between.

I also figured out that there's 13 games for 360 coming out between now and Christmas that I'm seriously wanting. Maybe next year things will look different but I have no intention of being an early adopter of this Nintendo system.
 
[quote name='Mookyjooky']I guess its just Nintendo making money off their failures... they make a shitload of money on shitty sports games because they're the only ones on the system. They make a lot of money on all games, because the system has none.[/QUOTE]

How many people own just a GameCube? I highly doubt that people are buying Mario Superstar Baseball as a alternative to MLB '06 or whatever. I think people buy the Nintendo sports games b/c they are a fun alternative to "realistic" sports games. Some people do not want to play sim sports games but they still want to play baseball.

[quote name='Mookyjooky']Not really, I just want them to stop gouging the customer for new items they never support. They're worst than Sega was now.

E-Reader, GBA2GC link, GBA player, anything Pokemon, Backwards compatibility with older GB games, GBA now that the DS is out, it's like they give up after they screw their customers into buying this crap. The new DS lite doesnt even fit GBA game correctly, jesus...[/QUOTE]

Uh, what? Besides the e-reader and GBA-GC link cable, I don't know what the hell you are talking about. How was the GBA player not supported? You slap it on your GC and it plays GBA games. Pretty simple.

Nintendo released a new system, the DS. Of course support for the GBA is going to dwindle, it's the nature of the beast. The GBA has been out for over 5 years now, that's a pretty good lifecycle for a system. The fact that the DS can play the entire library of GBA games shows Nintendo is not "screwing" their customers. I still can't believe people are bitching that Nintendo didn't add support for the GBC/GB games with the DS. That's like the Wii offering support for NES and SNES games...oh wait...

Also the fact that GBA carts stick out of the Lite doesn't affect the way they play. The Lite still plays GBA games.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']
Hey, here's a point I'll add for you:

- Why does Nintendo not think we're worthy enough of getting ANY new Earthbound game? We didn't get the compliation for GBA, we didn't get Mother 3, and Japan is now getting another compliation for the DS that Nintendo probably won't bring out here either. You know what, fuck it, Nintendo leaves ALOT of its games in Japan, games that are supposedly decent, like Stafi, Kuru Kuruin, Nintendo Puzzle Collection, as well as half of its Nintendo Classics line (which were ripoff's anyways, but I at least wanted Kid Icarus). I thought the days of leaving awesome properties in Japan was over?[/QUOTE]
I don't know what their deal is. I don't know if it's some sort of cultural disconnect between NoJ and NoA or what. Like NoJ "knows" that these games won't sell worth shit so they don't even bother? I think this is where we will find out a) How well Reggie is connected to the gaming community and b) How much sway the president of NoA has with the homeland.

Seems to me that a lot of the Japanese properties would really appeal to a cross-dynamic of people in America, Earthbound among them. I mean, to the little kid it's a funny cartoony RPG, while to the 20 and 30-somethings, it's one of the greatest RPGs ever made.
 
[quote name='munch']/\Just to play devil's advocate here, didn't people say the stylus would get old real fast too?[/quote]

It did. I love my DS, but I really dislike stylus games. It's about as innovative as using a stick to draw in the sand.
 
[quote name='munch']/\Just to play devil's advocate here, didn't people say the stylus would get old real fast too?[/quote]
Sure its great for Phoenix Wright and Animal Crossing...

But Have you played Mario DS or Metroid on it? I'm sorry, but those games are just unplayable... Mario DS especially.

And games like castlevania where I have to keep going back and forth is completely annoying, but it could be because I'm left handed.
 
[quote name='botticus']I don't know what their deal is. I don't know if it's some sort of cultural disconnect between NoJ and NoA or what. Like NoJ "knows" that these games won't sell worth shit so they don't even bother? I think this is where we will find out a) How well Reggie is connected to the gaming community and b) How much sway the president of NoA has with the homeland.

Seems to me that a lot of the Japanese properties would really appeal to a cross-dynamic of people in America, Earthbound among them. I mean, to the little kid it's a funny cartoony RPG, while to the 20 and 30-somethings, it's one of the greatest RPGs ever made.[/QUOTE]

I think I read somewhere, about Stafi, NoA didn't feel that the character could work, that the fans wouldn't like it (a little starfish type guy). I might be complete wrong, but that's what I remember... I mean, Kirby works, why don't they at least bring out one Stafi game out of the 4 available and let us for ourselves?

I also think 4 player Nintendo Puzzle Collection would have sold decently, I mean I don't think it will require alot of translation so that's another missed opportunity.

I just don't understand about Earthbound, and I probably never will, because Nintendo publishes other people's RPG's (Tales of Phantasia) but not their own. I mean, cmon, Ness is a sort of flagship character.
 
[quote name='munch']/\Just to play devil's advocate here, didn't people say the stylus would get old real fast too?[/QUOTE]
I'd argue that it kind of has. The system as a whole hasn't gotten old but the touch screen just isn't used in any of the big games. Mario Kart, New Super Mario (yes I know there's that button on there but how difficult would it have been to just use one of the other face buttons for it? I think the only reason they had that there was to say they used the touch screen), Animal Crossing (personally, I find it a pain to use the touch screen controls), and Castlevania(only used for the seals which isn't fun, its annoying). The sad thing is that most of those games are first party, with one of the most innovative and fun uses of the touch screen being Trauma Center and the Venom levels of Ultimate Spider-man. The system as a whole is great but the touch screen just isn't used very much for an average game. I'm glad its there but the system could do just as well without it.

Anyone else amazed that we're actually having a sensible discussion that hasn't turned into a fanboy flame war? I hope it stays this way.
 
Mk Juka:
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Now that such is out of the way....

First off, this is a blatent attempt at a flamewar. Period. There's no other way to get around that. Had I started an anti-PS3 topic, I'd bet it would be closed, as I'm labeled a harsh fanboy. But this is just a potent attempt to piss off the Ninty crowd no matter how you look at it, because it implies Nintendo does little or nothing correctly.

Secondly, we should delete total fanboy posts on both sides in this thread - the Ninty ones and the anti-Ninty ones, as I know each faction will be dutifully represented without logic, but just a bunch of rhetoric and bad spelling. The "NIntendo is kiddie/gimmicky" posts need to be removed just as much as the "Nintendo roxx0rs your mom at night."


Third, you've made this topic with an express mentality beforehand. In other words, even if people refute your obviously bad logic, you'll just fire back with "yea whatever" comments later on down the line. Regardless, lots of people (myself included) will respond anyway. It's like hating a movie before you see it.

Fourth, my guess is that eventually Juka won't respond anymore to this topic OR use a "haha I gotcha!" sort of tactic. That's what I'd do if I were in the same (hilariously embarassing) scenario.

Now let's eliminate some errors in your post:
4) Lost EA? Because they haven't devoted an entire studio to Wii games?
5) Wrong at least halfway. Show me Meteos or Canvas Curse on another system, please.
7) Right. Because no other game does that. Beyond this, at least in Metroid they can adequately explain why Samus loses powers. It's not just "Oh no, Jak and Daxter lost all their fucking weapons again!"
8) *cough*
9) To not oversaturate, which you'd be whining about if they did do that.
10) Smash Bros, Paper Mario, Ikaruga, all AA to AAA titles. I will concede it lacks the number Sony has, but it's on par if not better than MS.
11) You mean it only sold 2 million units?
12) They do, but then those companies turn around and port them anyway.
13) Hi, do you know what profit is? You smoke cigarettes, so you must have some idea. That shit kills people but I don't see prices going down either.
14) Mario 64
16) Do you know what Tetris DS is? And how Tetris is a better suit to portable gaming? No? 'Kay.
20) No profit in it? Nope. Not yet, which is why Wii has it.
21) Solved with wireless.
23) Hmmm, yet they all sell well....Hmmm.
24) Wow, I love how you show contradiction to 23 not one fucking number later.
25) Cuz you'd complain if they did. And you complain if they don't. How does Nintendo win this?
26) Profit again.
28) They did, and even when they are multi platform, they sell best on the GC. This is a problem with Sega being run by morons, not a Nintendo issue. Same reason Namco was idiotic for releasing Soul Calibur 3 exclusive to PS2 when it sold best on the GC.
29) Did they do that with the N64, Gamecube, or SNES? A cosmetic redesign is not the same as adding light. So this is all invalid.

Let's also scan for redundancy:
1, 2
3, 15
9, 17, 18
12, 22
4, 27
1, 2, 29

The second you call Metroid "blocky" and use that as a reason for disliking the game, you might as well just jam lit cigarettes on your balls. This is why it's retarded to argue with you on anything in this post for the most part - you're just going to handslap it away. "Metroid is blocky." Wow. Why even ask us to name games if you're going to use third grade logic to dismiss them?

On the flipside, why don't we talk about what Nintendo has done right? Why not talk about what Sony and MS have done wrong? If you're going to be narrow minded about things to bitch about, you should be prepared to explore counterpoint, but my guess is that you're not.

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Virtual Console was announced and hinted at long before XBLA was ever touted as a main feature.

The Wii wasn't awesome? Those six hour lines and universal praise from developers to reporters must all be lies from Nintendo! Get your tin foil hats!

"It's a mouse." Neat. 360 and PS3 controllers are.....controllers.

Weren't you talking about FPS not being a central genre? Did you miss Red Steel and Metroid?

A third person Metroid would be shit, I'd guess. The whole point of the FPA idea is that you see through Samus's eyes but still can pull off screw attacks and things. It could not have been handled better as a half ass PN03 ripoff.

SoC = Zelda? Are you high? Link would knock the shit out of those guys. Boohoo that your opinion somehow is representative of a "failure" by Nintendo.

You bitch and moan about all these "wrong" things Nintendo does when half of them are opinion, the other half are redundant, and a fraction are spot on. And then you dismiss the fact that Nintendo is the only profitable game company at this time, has been in the business for 100+ years (25 or so years if you only count video games), and act like they ought to be dead. They aren't Atari, they never have been, they never will be.

And I hope that if by some cosmic mistake that they do die, that they do not whore themselves out to another company to make games for. They've said they won't and I damn well hope they don't, just so everyone could bitch and piss and moan about how we get next to nothing new in the game arena except for GTA with a new color palette. People are so quick these days to act like Nintendo doesn't know what it is doing AND that they think they are so far gone that they should be put down, like they've got rabies or something. It's pathetic the amount of disrespect they get.

Have they been arrogant and made mistakes? Yes. But they are fucking running around saying shit like "we invented 3D." By comparison, Yamauchi stepped down and Nintendo has been receptive to outside help AND has humble people manning the show. They don't have fucker design men running around touting how "___ feature in our game is so fucking awesome you will cum in your pants." Instead they are basically saying "You should just try it out."

It sucks having to defend Nintendo from the baseless bullshit they get vollied at them half the time. No headphone port? Yes that's retarded. But "Omfg I want another Smash Bros?" That's bullshit.
 
I'm going to argue with one point Strell, that giving us another sequel in a 4 or 5 year timespan isn't oversaturation. I don't think if they released another SSB, say, two years after the old one is going to oversaturate the product.

It worked fine with Pikmin, and Metroid Prime, it would have worked fine here.

I think XBLA was always around on Live, even in the old school Xbox days, and was pretty touted back then too, so it was before the VC.

Soul Calibur sold best on GC only because of Link, that is all. SC 3 multiplatform, with no Link, means GC would be dead last in sales.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']I'm going to argue with one point Strell, that giving us another sequel in a 4 or 5 year timespan isn't oversaturation. I don't think if they released another SSB, say, two years after the old one is going to oversaturate the product.

It worked fine with Pikmin, and Metroid Prime, it would have worked fine here.[/QUOTE]

But that's my point exactly.

If we saw a Smash Bros every 2 years, there'd be hordes of people saying OMFG NINTENDO REHASHED SMASH BROS.

Do I want a new one? Yea.

But I don't need one right now because SSBM still has unimaginable play value. I played it yesterday for 2 hours with friends, and it still is fresh, fun, frantic, and amazing. Every battle is unique and fun.

This was after playing it for some 10 hours last week.

This is a situation where Ninty can't win. Whereas Naughty Dog can give us their license every year, the big N gets shit upon because it's a rehash. Another Smash Bros? But we just got one last year! fuck you Nintendo!

They just can't win. They put mature titles on the system, but no one buys them. They try to innovate, people call it gimmicky. The DS is a success, but it's only because the PSP's library can't compare. They try to innovate in a series, and peopel complain it's a gimmick. But they release a title with a badass looking engine and everyone cries that it is taking too long.

Where were you guys when Nintendo said "we don't want a realistic Zelda, beacuse it takes so long to model everything realistically?

Oh right. You were bitching about Wind Waker.

I'm saying you have to make up your fucking minds at some point. You can't bitch that A isn't B, but bitch when B is revealed. It doesn't fucking work that way. And if you decry both options when a third isn't really available, how in the fuck does a company contend with that?

SC3 sales are irrelevent, primarily because Namco didn't crack a million like Sony told them they would. What is fact is that SC2 sold best on Cube. What would be a good experiment would have been to release SC3 on Cube with Link in it, just to see what sales would have been like.

Do I agree it woudn't have sold better without Link? Yeah. But that didn't happen, and you can't argue with sales data.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']I'd argue that it kind of has. The system as a whole hasn't gotten old but the touch screen just isn't used in any of the big games. Mario Kart, New Super Mario (yes I know there's that button on there but how difficult would it have been to just use one of the other face buttons for it? I think the only reason they had that there was to say they used the touch screen), Animal Crossing (personally, I find it a pain to use the touch screen controls), and Castlevania(only used for the seals which isn't fun, its annoying). The sad thing is that most of those games are first party, with one of the most innovative and fun uses of the touch screen being Trauma Center and the Venom levels of Ultimate Spider-man. The system as a whole is great but the touch screen just isn't used very much for an average game. I'm glad its there but the system could do just as well without it.

Anyone else amazed that we're actually having a sensible discussion that hasn't turned into a fanboy flame war? I hope it stays this way.[/QUOTE]
Advance Wars is great with the stylus. I think I will have trouble playing the GBA games having to use the D-pad.

Kirby Canvas Curse is great with the stylus, though it got a bit too hard for me near the end so I haven't played that in a while.

Viewtiful Joe actually used the touch screen fairly well (no stylus) with special moves. The only problem there is that your thumb is a big old clunky thing and making refined movements is a little tough. Maybe with some work/differentiation it could have been a much better feature.

Bust-a-Move is fun with the stylus.

Phoenix Wright, at least in the new DS-specific level made great use of the features.

Trauma Center.

Electroplankton is fun for what it is.

Battles of Prince of Persia and Age of Empires: see Advance Wars

Feel the Magic/Rub Rabbits/Wario Ware are all good mini-games with the stylus.

Mario Kart, NSMB, Princess Peach, etc all had little use of the stylus, but it was efficient use. It doesn't need to be a central feature of the system anymore than the second screen. And the second screen is used amazingly in almost every game, but no one bothers talking about that, even though it's just as central to the point of the system as the stylus is.
 
I like Nintendo, and one of my favorite games ever was Star Fox 64. Played that game for hours when I was younger. When I played Star Fox Advetures I almost killed a kitten. I was so disapointed in that game. I never even played the other Star Fox game for GC, because I fear it was the same as Adventures and just as bad.

The Star Fox for DS does look promising and I will pick it up on launch probably. Kinda curious about the controls with only touch screen control.
 
[quote name='botticus']Advance Wars is great with the stylus. I think I will have trouble playing the GBA games having to use the D-pad.

Kirby Canvas Curse is great with the stylus, though it got a bit too hard for me near the end so I haven't played that in a while.

Viewtiful Joe actually used the touch screen fairly well (no stylus) with special moves. The only problem there is that your thumb is a big old clunky thing and making refined movements is a little tough. Maybe with some work/differentiation it could have been a much better feature.

Bust-a-Move is fun with the stylus.

Phoenix Wright, at least in the new DS-specific level made great use of the features.

Trauma Center.

Electroplankton is fun for what it is.

Battles of Prince of Persia and Age of Empires: see Advance Wars

Feel the Magic/Rub Rabbits/Wario Ware are all good mini-games with the stylus.

Mario Kart, NSMB, Princess Peach, etc all had little use of the stylus, but it was efficient use. It doesn't need to be a central feature of the system anymore than the second screen. And the second screen is used amazingly in almost every game, but no one bothers talking about that, even though it's just as central to the point of the system as the stylus is.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say it had to be the central feature. Where do you use the stylus in Mario Kart at all? I've gotten gold trophies on every circuit and I'm yet to put my stylus on the screen.

Like I said New Super Mario didn't need the touch screen. It used it as an extra button when it didn't even need to. The game itself only used 2 of the 4 face buttons to begin with so why not have that touchscreen button for your saved powerup mapped to one of the extra face buttons? It seemed like the only reason it was mapped to the touch screen was so they could say they used it.

Unless a game is specifically designed for touch screen use like Trauma Center, Feel the Magic, etc. I actually find it kind of a pain to have to switch back and forth between touch screen and regular controls. My point is that the system could have easily been made without the touch screen and it wouldn't be that drastically different. Now, the second screen on the other hand is a great addition that does make the system different.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Now, the second screen on the other hand is a great addition that does make the system different.[/quote]

QFT, that's absolutely the best part of the system.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue']Unless a game is specifically designed for touch screen use like Trauma Center, Feel the Magic, etc. I actually find it kind of a pain to have to switch back and forth between touch screen and regular controls. My point is that the system could have easily been made without the touch screen and it wouldn't be that drastically different. Now, the second screen on the other hand is a great addition that does make the system different.[/quote]

But if the second screen was not a touchscreen, then you wouldn't have had Trauma Center, Kirby, Brain Training, Meteos, FtM, etc., which are some the best games for the system.

Your problems with games mixing in touchscreen and standard controls are, well, your problems. There is no mistaking that the 2nd screen being a touchscreen is what makes the DS stand out from other sytems - more than a 2nd screen alone at least.
 
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