Republicans want to make life harder for low-income, elderly and sick people

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WASHINGTON (AP) -- Stung by two days of defeat for their bids to revise a bill overhauling the bankruptcy laws, Senate Democrats are portraying the measure as making it harder for low-income, elderly and sick people to dissolve their debts while allowing the wealthy to shelter assets.

Through a day of debate Wednesday, the Democrats maintained a rhetorical accent on what they see as the inequity of the bankruptcy legislation. The Republicans, who hold the majority, maintained tight discipline. Sen. Orrin Hatch, R-Utah, warned against "killer amendments" that could jeopardize the bill's acceptance by the House.

Sen. Edward M. Kennedy, D-Massachusetts, a leading opponent of the legislation as written, will try to get an increase in the minimum wage -- a top priority of the Democrats -- attached to it, aides said. Kennedy's proposal would lift the hourly minimum from $5.15 to $7.25 over two years.

Mostly along party lines, the Senate voted 59-40 Wednesday to reject a Democratic amendment that would have allowed older people to get special homestead exemptions to keep their homes when they file for bankruptcy. Currently, such exemptions are determined by the states.

Also rebuffed, 58-39, were two proposals focused on people whose significant medical expenses for illness force them to file for bankruptcy.

The first would have allowed people to keep at least $150,000 of the equity in their primary residence. If, in addition, medical bills exceed 25 percent of the person's income, the second proposal would have exempted them from a new test in the legislation measuring income and assets of bankruptcy applicants to determine if debts can be discharged.

Under unlimited homestead exemptions in a half-dozen states, "fat cats who go into bankruptcy don't lose their mansions," said Kennedy, author of the twin amendments. "Where is fairness in this bill?"

By another 59-40 tally, the Senate defeated a Democratic proposal to require that credit card statements show how long it would take the consumer to pay off his or her debt by making only the minimum monthly payment, and what the total interest charges would be.

The bankruptcy overhaul bill would raise the threshold for dissolving credit card and other consumer debts in bankruptcy court. Supporters are predicting a swift victory after nearly eight years of congressional gridlock and feverish lobbying by banks and other credit-card issuers.

The new "means" test in the legislation is intended to determine whether those seeking bankruptcy protection must repay their debts or are allowed to have them canceled. Under the current system, bankruptcy judges have the discretion to decide that.

Supporters of the bill hope for passage before lawmakers adjourn in mid-March for the spring recess.

Banks, credit card companies and retailers have pushed since 1997 for a bill overhauling the bankruptcy laws. Consumer and civil rights groups and unions say the legislation would shred a safety net for those who have lost their jobs or face mounting medical bills.

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I guess its easier to make life harder for people who cant afford to have lobbyists
 
I just spent the last few minutes thinking about what it would be like if ted kennedy was president. Though I can tell you one thing, if he was this topic, article, and this senate vote would not exist. Why can't MA win again? Why does it have to be texas?
 
As someone with strong connections to his Grandfather this really pissed us both off.

Sad part is no one knows about it.

Well this may be an issue later on, instant campaign commerical. Between this and the attempt at aborting SS I say kiss the elderly vote goodbye GOP.

You mess with the bull you get the horns.
 
I love minuim wage. Here in Mass it already is $6.25, that is shit. In the south where the minium wage is $5.25, you can live off it, a movie is only 5. Here a movie is $9.75 now. So unless they raise the minuim wage to $9.75 in MA, I'm fucked, so I hope they do keep the minuim wage where it is, I'll be fucked both ways anyways.
 
[quote name='David85']I love minuim wage. Here in Mass it already is $6.25, that is shit. In the south where the minium wage is $5.25, you can live off it, a movie is only 5. Here a movie is $9.75 now. So unless they raise the minuim wage to $9.75 in MA, I'm shaq-fued, so I hope they do keep the minuim wage where it is, I'll be shaq-fued both ways anyways.[/quote]

Minimum wage issues are bullshit smoke and mirrors, When any politician mentions raising the min wage, they aren't doing it for the sake of the poor walmart employee trying to feed 3 kids. They do it for the Unions. Union pay raises are based on the min wage the same way credit card rates are based on the prime rate. Min wage acts as an measure of union contract wages. If the min wage is raised, then companies and unions renegotiate their contract based on the new wage.

It just bugs me that politician act like they are doing some poor sap a favor by pushing up the minumum wage. The fact is that very very few people remain at min wage levels for very long. The real reason is to increase political clout with Worker's Unions. Having Union workers back you during an election is important.
 
[quote name='David85']I love minuim wage. Here in Mass it already is $6.25, that is shit. In the south where the minium wage is $5.25, you can live off it, a movie is only 5. Here a movie is $9.75 now. So unless they raise the minuim wage to $9.75 in MA, I'm shaq-fued, so I hope they do keep the minuim wage where it is, I'll be shaq-fued both ways anyways.[/quote]

Yeah that's part of the BS of federal minimum wage. not every part of the country has the same cost of living. Can you imagine trying to make it on $5.25 an hour in New York City? It would never happen.

Under unlimited homestead exemptions in a half-dozen states, "fat cats who go into bankruptcy don't lose their mansions," said Kennedy, author of the twin amendments. "Where is fairness in this bill?"

Wow, Ted Kennedy said something that I can really agree with. I can feel myself going further left with every passing day...
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='David85']I love minuim wage. Here in Mass it already is $6.25, that is shit. In the south where the minium wage is $5.25, you can live off it, a movie is only 5. Here a movie is $9.75 now. So unless they raise the minuim wage to $9.75 in MA, I'm shaq-fued, so I hope they do keep the minuim wage where it is, I'll be shaq-fued both ways anyways.[/quote]

Yeah that's part of the BS of federal minimum wage. not every part of the country has the same cost of living. Can you imagine trying to make it on $5.25 an hour in New York City? It would never happen.

Under unlimited homestead exemptions in a half-dozen states, "fat cats who go into bankruptcy don't lose their mansions," said Kennedy, author of the twin amendments. "Where is fairness in this bill?"

Wow, Ted Kennedy said something that I can really agree with. I can feel myself going further left with every passing day...[/quote]

Yeah, something's wrong with America when even Ted Kennedy is starting to make sense.
 
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Try finding a job in midtown Manhattan that pays minimum wage. When a Big Mac value meal costs $7-8 instead of the $4-5 I pay in Pittsburgh you're not going to convince me those people are making $5.25 an hour. Hell, even here KFC, Mickey D's and every other fast food place I see advertises on their signs that hourly starts at $7.50 or more an hour.

If you had ANY idea how people have abused bankruptcy laws in this country you wouldn't be so surprised that reform was needed. Most people, statistically, though not a majority, declare bankruptcy because of medical bills. However no one wants to talk about more competitive ways for people to establish MSA's or purchase group rate individual or small business/self-employed medical coverage, that would help "the rich".

Poor Ted, he's lost his mind.
 
If you had ANY idea how people have abused bankruptcy laws in this country you wouldn't be so surprised that reform was needed. Most people, statistically, though not a majority, declare bankruptcy because of medical bills.
SOME people abuse the system. That's why judges (previously, or soon-to-be-previously) had the discretion to decide whether or not debts should be discharged. They could say 'too bad' to people trying to abuse the system, while at the same time helping those who need it. I think this is rather obviously a better system than saying 'fuck off' to everyone, including those who obviously need help.
 
I'm sure Ted Kennedy knows how it is to suffer financially :rolls:
He can relate to the common man as much as Kerry did when he went duck hunting. Thanks for looking out for me Ted. Email me and let me know how Martha's Vineyard is this time of year.
 
[quote name='Msut77']
Hell, even here KFC, Mickey D's and every other fast food place I see advertises on their signs that hourly starts at $7.50 or more an hour.

Be the first and only one I heard of.[/quote]

That tends to be the minimum (well 7.25) that you'd find in the boston area. Then again, you can do even less with 7.25 here than you can with 5.15 in many parts of the u.s. Also, keep in mind, we don't have a 5.15 minimum wage, the minimum wage in MA is 6.75.
 
Also minimum wage should be set by the state and not federally. Each state has different cost of living structures.

No one really makes $5.25...it's very few jobs that hire at that rate.
 
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