Repubs to voters: Liberals want to ban the Bible!

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dennis_t

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How desperate are the Repubs to keep their grip on power in America? How low are they willing to stoop?

Well, how about scaring people into thinking the opposition wants to ban Bibles?

Disgusting, but why am I surprised? And how much do you want to bet Chicken George will not publicly condemn such gutter politics being undertaken on his behalf?

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/09/24/politics/campaign/24bible.html?pagewanted=all

The Republican Party acknowledged yesterday sending mass mailings to residents of two states warning that "liberals" seek to ban the Bible. It said the mailings were part of its effort to mobilize religious voters for President Bush.

The mailings include images of the Bible labeled "banned" and of a gay marriage proposal labeled "allowed." A mailing to Arkansas residents warns: "This will be Arkansas if you don't vote." A similar mailing was sent to West Virginians.

A liberal religious group, the Interfaith Alliance, circulated a copy of the Arkansas mailing to reporters yesterday to publicize it. "What they are doing is despicable,'' said Don Parker, a spokesman for the alliance. "They are playing on people's fears and emotions."

In an e-mail message, Christine Iverson, a spokeswoman for the Republican National Committee, confirmed that the party had sent the mailings.

"When the Massachusetts Supreme Court sanctioned same-sex marriage and people in other states realized they could be compelled to recognize those laws, same-sex marriage became an issue,'' Ms. Iverson said. "These same activist judges also want to remove the words 'under God' from the Pledge of Allegiance."

The mailing is the latest evidence of the emphasis Republicans are putting on motivating conservative Christian voters to vote this fall. But as the appeals become public, they also risk alienating moderate and swing voters.

An editorial on Sept. 22 in The Charleston Gazette in West Virginia, for example, asked, "Holy Moley! Who concocts this gibberish?"

"Most Americans see morality more complexly," the editorial said. "Many think a higher morality is found in Christ's command to help the needy, prevent war and pursue other humanitarian goals. Churchgoers of this sort aren't likely to believe childish allegations that Democrats want to ban the Bible."
 
[quote name='dennis_t']How desperate are the Repubs to keep their grip on power in America? How low are they willing to stoop?

Well, how about scaring people into thinking the opposition wants to ban Bibles?[/quote]

So true...If only they stuck with scaring people into thinking the opposition wants schoolkids to starve, old ladies to be shoved off of cliffs, etc.
I'm not condoning this by any means, but this kind of spin is hardly limited to 'Repubs'. Both candidates, both parties, and plenty of 'independent' organizations do the same. It's not 'right', but it's not just the Republicans.

I haven't seen the mailing, so I can't comment directly, but many liberals and Democrats, especially certain judicial members, have been quite vociferous about deleting the word 'God' from the American landscape, massively misunderstanding the 'separation of church and state.' This mailing could be seen as 'literary exaggeration' at least on the images, because it is in part based in truth.
 
[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='dennis_t']How desperate are the Repubs to keep their grip on power in America? How low are they willing to stoop?

Well, how about scaring people into thinking the opposition wants to ban Bibles?[/quote]

So true...If only they stuck with scaring people into thinking the opposition wants schoolkids to starve, old ladies to be shoved off of cliffs, etc.
I'm not condoning this by any means, but this kind of spin is hardly limited to 'Repubs'. Both candidates, both parties, and plenty of 'independent' organizations do the same. It's not 'right', but it's not just the Republicans.

I haven't seen the mailing, so I can't comment directly, but many liberals and Democrats, especially certain judicial members, have been quite vociferous about deleting the word 'God' from the American landscape, massively misunderstanding the 'separation of church and state.' This mailing could be seen as 'literary exaggeration' at least on the images, because it is in part based in truth.[/quote]

I can't recall an example of Democrats blatantly lying like this about Republican goals. When they talk about starving schoolkids and old ladies, they point to specific Republican policies. If you have an example of the Dems taking one of those policies and lying about it to this extreme, please share it with us.

And give me a break -- taking the word "God" out of, say, the Pledge of Allegience is the same thing as censorship of the Bible? You're really going to make that argument?
 
[quote name='dtcarson']I haven't seen the mailing, so I can't comment directly, but many liberals and Democrats, especially certain judicial members, have been quite vociferous about deleting the word 'God' from the American landscape, massively misunderstanding the 'separation of church and state.'[/quote]

Then what does "separation of church and state" mean if not keeping religion out of government?

The "American Landscape" that you say is exactly what the fear-mongers want you to think. There's a big difference between everyday American life and official government business and buildings and instruments.
 
[quote name='dennis_t'][quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='dennis_t']How desperate are the Repubs to keep their grip on power in America? How low are they willing to stoop?

Well, how about scaring people into thinking the opposition wants to ban Bibles?[/quote]

So true...If only they stuck with scaring people into thinking the opposition wants schoolkids to starve, old ladies to be shoved off of cliffs, etc.
I'm not condoning this by any means, but this kind of spin is hardly limited to 'Repubs'. Both candidates, both parties, and plenty of 'independent' organizations do the same. It's not 'right', but it's not just the Republicans.

I haven't seen the mailing, so I can't comment directly, but many liberals and Democrats, especially certain judicial members, have been quite vociferous about deleting the word 'God' from the American landscape, massively misunderstanding the 'separation of church and state.' This mailing could be seen as 'literary exaggeration' at least on the images, because it is in part based in truth.[/quote]

I can't recall an example of Democrats blatantly lying like this about Republican goals. When they talk about starving schoolkids and old ladies, they point to specific Republican policies. If you have an example of the Dems taking one of those policies and lying about it to this extreme, please share it with us.

And give me a break -- taking the word "God" out of, say, the Pledge of Allegience is the same thing as censorship of the Bible? You're really going to make that argument?[/quote]

While it's not an example including children and religion, there's a pretty big lie going around from Democrats about how if you vote for Republicans (not just the president either mind you) they will end up bringing the draft back, the truth being that the bill to introduce the draft again (actually it's not the draft as we know it but similar) was created entirely by democrats.

Also, I dom't think it was you Dennis T, but someone was arguing in this forum earlier about how liberal and democrat weren't synonyms. I don't think they are either, but judging from you OP and now this one above that appears to be false.
 
I'm not arguing that removing the word 'God' is like banning the Bible. I can see how some people would make that slippery slope argument.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; "

means exactly that. Congress can't say 'It is against the law to be a Catholic/Buddhist/Jew/Satanist', nor can they say 'It is the law to be a Catholic/etc.' It doesn't mean that it's against the law to use the word God on public property, etc.
I also don't think it means churches shouldn't get federal money for 'good causes'--private charities can use that money more efficiently and productively than the government. As long as any church/religion, that will use it to 'benefit the public' etc, that wants the money, can get some, otherwise it *could* be deemed 'respecting' a certain religion.

And regarding official government business and buildings--In God We Trust is on my money; I think the Congress starts with a chaplain's prayer either each day or each session, and I know there are military chaplains.

And
"When they talk about starving schoolkids and old ladies, they point to specific Republican policies'
I must have missed HR 1234,"Intent to Starve Children and Kill Old People." That's the exact same kind of spin you claim is so bad when Republicans do it [I would argue worse, because starving children and killing old people is worse than banning a book.]
 
[quote name='ElwoodCuse']Then what does "separation of church and state" mean if not keeping religion out of government?[/quote]

Hey wonder tard. What law or document fits that quote?

I bet you think it's the Constitution but it says no such thing.
 
Yep. Democrats are going to ban the bible, and Republicans are going to reinstate the draft. Vote for Mr. T. He can solve all America's problems by some good old one on one ass kicking. /sarcasm, except for voting for Mr. T.
 
A very interesting, indepth article about Truth in Political Ads.

http://factcheck.org/SpecialReports.aspx?docID=188

Important quote:
"They can legally lie about almost anything they want. In fact, the Federal Comunications Act even requires broadcasters who run candidate ads to show them uncensored, even if the broadcasters believe their content to be offensive or false."

And Factcheck.org details many examples, from both parties and both candidates, where the truth is either bent, stretched, or ignored.
 
Liberals may not outrightly "ban the bible" but they will come damn close to it.

If they are already going crazy over a teacher wearing a 1 inch cross on her neck to school imagine what they would do if they had the power.

Also don't forget how liberal colleges are making Islamic classes and books MANDATORY, but you don't hear a peep out of the liberals about it. :puke:
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='ElwoodCuse']Then what does "separation of church and state" mean if not keeping religion out of government?[/quote]

Hey wonder tard. What law or document fits that quote?

I bet you think it's the Constitution but it says no such thing.[/quote]

HURR HURR it's not in the Constitution SO IT'S NOT TRUE

Thanks for trying to put words in my mouth, retard. Sorry I didn't say it for you in the first place.

Guess what? Lots of things aren't specifically in the Constitution, but are still matters of law.

Damn, this thread is already filling up with persecution-complex Christian neocons. Christianity has a stronger foothold in this country now than it ever has. The whole pledge case thing is living proof. So take your "wahhh liberals are stamping all over our religion shit" somewhere else.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='ElwoodCuse']Then what does "separation of church and state" mean if not keeping religion out of government?[/quote]

Hey wonder tard. What law or document fits that quote?

I bet you think it's the Constitution but it says no such thing.[/quote]

Amendment I - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression. Ratified 12/15/1791

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is the document that fits the quote, PAD. The Bill of Rights. The first amendment. You know, the one right before your favorite?

How dumb are you?
 
[quote name='dennis_t']
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is the document that fits the quote, PAD. The Bill of Rights. The first amendment. You know, the one right before your favorite?

How dumb are you?[/quote]

Again I ask, where does it say seperation of church and state? You merely repeated my original statement. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees seperation of church and state. It states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

I know this is hard for you people to understand through your blinders that only point left but establishment of religion doesn't mean a town can't display a nativity scene, it doesn't mean a courthouse can't display the Ten Commandments. It means that the government can't proclaim Baptists, Episcopalians, Catholics etc. the official state religion.

Of course though it's easier for you to call people names and laugh than have a fucking clue about what you're talking about.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='dennis_t']
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

This is the document that fits the quote, PAD. The Bill of Rights. The first amendment. You know, the one right before your favorite?

How dumb are you?[/quote]

Again I ask, where does it say seperation of church and state? You merely repeated my original statement. There is nothing in the Constitution that guarantees seperation of church and state. It states Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion.

I know this is hard for you people to understand through your blinders that only point left but establishment of religion doesn't mean a town can't display a nativity scene, it doesn't mean a courthouse can't display the Ten Commandments. It means that the government can't proclaim Baptists, Episcopalians, Catholics etc. the official state religion.

Of course though it's easier for you to call people names and laugh than have a shaq-fuing clue about what you're talking about.[/quote]

So you'd be okay with a town hall re-enacting scenes from the Koran and no nativity? You wouldn't mind a courthouse that had Dianetics on display instead of the ten commandments? How about an atheist first-grade teacher wearing a "No-God" pin?

All of these are endorsements of a religion which have the effect of establishing a state religion.
 
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