Shocking new video on CNN!

Admiral Ackbar

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I just watched a CNN video of a plane dropping a smart bomb on a pile of people. Must have been 50-100, waliking as a group down the streets. Supposedly CNN has had this tape for weeks, but they've just now decided to release it.

The thing is, there's a question as to whether these are innocent civilians or insurgents. That it would be very difficult for the pilot to tell.

They just showed it a couple minutes ago, and I caught it in the middle. Did anyone see the whole thing?
 
No inocent people have been killed in Iraq, at least I've never heard bush say that beyond the 1000+ americans more people have died.
 
Well, I aonly saw half of it last night. But they're about to repeat it on CNN. They just did a promo. Turn on CNN now and it may come up any second.

Then again it may be a few minutes.
 
Just saw it. The pilot asks, "Should I take them out?" The forward air controller clears the target by saying, "Take them out."

There's silence as the image grows in view. "Ten Seconds". Then BOOM!. They're gone. "Impact," says the pilot. There's a pause as the smoke rises up like a mushroom. Then the FAC says, "Aww Dude!" tinged with awe.

According to the US this is a legitimate strike. And I can't dispute that. It looks like it was followed by the book. Hopefully that soldiers on the ground knew who that bomb was being guided against.

What makes this video odd is that there's this large crowd just walking down the middle of the street. Analyst say it's highly unlikely insurgents would be moving in the open so brazenly and in such a large number. However, I don't see why a group of insurgents couldn't be stupid enough to do so.

But it's a must see clip. It really brings out the human component of war.

Here's a web page I found. it's been hard to find stuff about this on the web. I should n ote that this is from an anti war site so it probably has some bias. I disagree with their position that someone should hjave asked if these people were armed. That's not something up for discussion in the middle of combat and the Pilot would trust the FAC's judgement. But you can at least see the pictures. You can also watch the video here.

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1665.shtml
 
[quote name='Admiral Ackbar']Just saw it. The pilot asks, "Should I take them out?" The forward air controller clears the target by saying, "Take them out."

There's silence as the image grows in view. "Ten Seconds". Then BOOM!. They're gone. "Impact," says the pilot. There's a pause as the smoke rises up like a mushroom. Then the FAC says, "Aww Dude!" tinged with awe.

According to the US this is a legitimate strike. And I can't dispute that. It looks like it was followed by the book. Hopefully that soldiers on the ground knew who that bomb was being guided against.

What makes this video odd is that there's this large crowd just walking down the middle of the street. Analyst say it's highly unlikely insurgents would be moving in the open so brazenly and in such a large number. However, I don't see why a group of insurgents couldn't be stupid enough to do so.

But it's a must see clip. It really brings out the human component of war.

Here's a web page I found. it's been hard to find stuff about this on the web. I should n ote that this is from an anti war site so it probably has some bias. I disagree with their position that someone should hjave asked if these people were armed. That's not something up for discussion in the middle of combat and the Pilot would trust the FAC's judgement. But you can at least see the pictures. You can also watch the video here.

http://electroniciraq.net/news/1665.shtml[/quote]

Some bias? Try all bias...they titled the freakin' video massacre of civilians for cryin' out loud. After they openly said they don't know the answer. Plus we got about 30 secs of audio, some of which can't be made out in the video (and who's to say it's the real audio even) and to top things off we don't even know the circumstances. Was this air support for soldiers in the ground? Was the group advancing on a target? Yes we don't know from what we saw if they were hostile, but so far this seems like a British anti-war attack on what appears to be basically a legit airstrike.
 
I think I clearly stated in advance that this was an anti war site. Because it was the first thing that came up on a search for the video.

And I did state that there may be many legitimate reasons for the bombing. That the US has determined this was a legitimate strike. But one must also take into account the possibilities that the people in the video were illegitimate targets. Personally, I lean towards the soldiers on the ground who were actually there.

The official US line gives me no reason to dispute their findings. But it is interesting footage. Further, I think if it we're going to discuss the war we should see what we're talking about.
 
CNN claimed the audio and video are both authentic. They aren't going to screw around after what just happened with CBS.

Theres no reason to believe this is anything but a legitimate air strike. Keep in mind that this happened some time ago, and the insurgents were not as well trained as they are now. They could easily have panicked and ran. Plus they came out of the building that they were going to bomb in the first place, where people were shooting from. This actually happened in Afghanistan a lot, the Taliban weren't very smart about not getting blown up by air strikes for a while. Theres a story about a few (less than 10) special forces soldiers protecting an Afghani town from a few thousand Taliban solely with precision air strikes.

It should certainly be looked into, but I'd have to assume that its already been looked at internally. We haven't and probably won't hear from the foreward air controller, who ultimately had the best look at the target and made the decision.
 
Fox aired this stupid tape weeks before as part of something else and no one said anything about it.

It took a liberal network like CNN to try to manufacture another controversy about Iraq. :roll:
 
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