you know, if you subtract 80% of the lyrics, that Rahowa band is actually pretty cool. Great tonality, the dude's voice (just pretend it's Italian Opera and you can't understand it) is beautiful and the instrumentation on some of the tunes is pretty amazing. Shame to waste the talent on such a goofy subject matter.
Sikh temple attacked in Wisconsin
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[quote name='Sarang01']Want to know the easy way to tell a Sikh from a Muslim? If their Turban is an innie they're a Sikh, if it's an outie they're a Muslim or possibly a Hindu.[/QUOTE]
It's generalizations like this that make me sikh.
It's generalizations like this that make me sikh.
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[quote name='mykevermin']http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...different-when-the-terrorist-is-white/260849/[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I don't know if it's just the UB factor but this thread has been a whole lot of nothing. A bunch of bickering about what 'white knight' means and a few really bad jokes.
However I also think the Batman story gets more press because the shooter was a weird mixture of intelligent and psychopathic, whereas this Wade guy is just murderous white trash.
Yeah, I don't know if it's just the UB factor but this thread has been a whole lot of nothing. A bunch of bickering about what 'white knight' means and a few really bad jokes.
However I also think the Batman story gets more press because the shooter was a weird mixture of intelligent and psychopathic, whereas this Wade guy is just murderous white trash.
[quote name='camoor']Yeah, I don't know if it's just the UB factor but this thread has been a whole lot of nothing. A bunch of bickering about what 'white knight' means and a few really bad jokes.
However I also think the Batman story gets more press because the shooter was a weird mixture of intelligent and psychopathic, whereas this Wade guy is just murderous white trash.[/QUOTE]
batman = more news cause its BATMAN .... no really more news cause there are more factors Like when did the doctor know when did the school know ect ect ect. and the dude is alive
this shooting its like blah and the person is dead
However I also think the Batman story gets more press because the shooter was a weird mixture of intelligent and psychopathic, whereas this Wade guy is just murderous white trash.[/QUOTE]
batman = more news cause its BATMAN .... no really more news cause there are more factors Like when did the doctor know when did the school know ect ect ect. and the dude is alive
this shooting its like blah and the person is dead
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[quote name='camoor']Yeah, I don't know if it's just the UB factor but this thread has been a whole lot of nothing. A bunch of bickering about what 'white knight' means and a few really bad jokes.
However I also think the Batman story gets more press because the shooter was a weird mixture of intelligent and psychopathic, whereas this Wade guy is just murderous white trash.[/QUOTE]
There's more sensationalism, sure - it's not often someone is armed to the degree Holmes was, or takes measures like setting up explosives in his apartment. I don't think intelligent flies, but psychotic certainly does - it appeals to those people who read "true crime" books and whatnot.
That said:
- Movie theater for a big summer blockbuster premiere
- Apartment building
-or-
- Weirdo temple for weirdo brown people religion we don't know much about (and also confuse w/ "muslim" since they're brown and not Christian)
Two of those three things strikes fear into the hearts of average white Americans, and one does not. Why do you think people like Andrew Napolitano (sp?) on Fox News is so reluctant to call the Wisconsin shooting "domestic terrorism"? He kinda has a point, albeit an incidental one - terrorism are acts that necessarily cause fear or terror in citizens going about their daily business. The grocery store becomes suspect, sports stadiums pat you down, airports - well, golly
in' whillikers. But a Sikh temple? That's not terrorism to white people, because it doesn't threaten our daily lives or routines. It hasn't disrupted a single thing, except the dissonance needed to deny that white supremacists are extreme right wingers, and that the domestic terrorism report from 2009 that discussed the upswing in right-wing terrorist groups and their potential for domestic terrorism was, in fact, correct.
That's all.
However I also think the Batman story gets more press because the shooter was a weird mixture of intelligent and psychopathic, whereas this Wade guy is just murderous white trash.[/QUOTE]
There's more sensationalism, sure - it's not often someone is armed to the degree Holmes was, or takes measures like setting up explosives in his apartment. I don't think intelligent flies, but psychotic certainly does - it appeals to those people who read "true crime" books and whatnot.
That said:
- Movie theater for a big summer blockbuster premiere
- Apartment building
-or-
- Weirdo temple for weirdo brown people religion we don't know much about (and also confuse w/ "muslim" since they're brown and not Christian)
Two of those three things strikes fear into the hearts of average white Americans, and one does not. Why do you think people like Andrew Napolitano (sp?) on Fox News is so reluctant to call the Wisconsin shooting "domestic terrorism"? He kinda has a point, albeit an incidental one - terrorism are acts that necessarily cause fear or terror in citizens going about their daily business. The grocery store becomes suspect, sports stadiums pat you down, airports - well, golly
in' whillikers. But a Sikh temple? That's not terrorism to white people, because it doesn't threaten our daily lives or routines. It hasn't disrupted a single thing, except the dissonance needed to deny that white supremacists are extreme right wingers, and that the domestic terrorism report from 2009 that discussed the upswing in right-wing terrorist groups and their potential for domestic terrorism was, in fact, correct.That's all.
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EDIT: Speaking of the hate and terror campaign against Muslims, who, if anyone caught news reports on the burning down of a mosque in Missouri. Second time this was attempted. http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=684282 If this was a Jewish temple, I bet it would be national news. But, Muslims then it would be filed away in section D of the NYT if they bothered to cover it...
Footage of the arsonist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zm2CYy1n4
I only heard about this via email. Try subscribing to the CAIR email list. You'll get a view of another America.[/QUOTE]
The mosque I go to was firebombed a year and a half ago. It made high coverage for state news, but hardly a blip beyond that.
EDIT: Speaking of the hate and terror campaign against Muslims, who, if anyone caught news reports on the burning down of a mosque in Missouri. Second time this was attempted. http://ozarksfirst.com/fulltext?nxd_id=684282 If this was a Jewish temple, I bet it would be national news. But, Muslims then it would be filed away in section D of the NYT if they bothered to cover it...
Footage of the arsonist: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5zm2CYy1n4
I only heard about this via email. Try subscribing to the CAIR email list. You'll get a view of another America.[/QUOTE]
The mosque I go to was firebombed a year and a half ago. It made high coverage for state news, but hardly a blip beyond that.
[quote name='mykevermin']There's more sensationalism, sure - it's not often someone is armed to the degree Holmes was, or takes measures like setting up explosives in his apartment. I don't think intelligent flies, but psychotic certainly does - it appeals to those people who read "true crime" books and whatnot.
That said:
- Movie theater for a big summer blockbuster premiere
- Apartment building
-or-
- Weirdo temple for weirdo brown people religion we don't know much about (and also confuse w/ "muslim" since they're brown and not Christian)
Two of those three things strikes fear into the hearts of average white Americans, and one does not. Why do you think people like Andrew Napolitano (sp?) on Fox News is so reluctant to call the Wisconsin shooting "domestic terrorism"? He kinda has a point, albeit an incidental one - terrorism are acts that necessarily cause fear or terror in citizens going about their daily business. The grocery store becomes suspect, sports stadiums pat you down, airports - well, gollyin' whillikers. But a Sikh temple? That's not terrorism to white people, because it doesn't threaten our daily lives or routines. It hasn't disrupted a single thing, except the dissonance needed to deny that white supremacists are extreme right wingers, and that the domestic terrorism report from 2009 that discussed the upswing in right-wing terrorist groups and their potential for domestic terrorism was, in fact, correct.
That's all.[/QUOTE]
I still find it funny with Holmes they try to bring up gun control. Listening to news about him booby trapping his apartment and such I'm inclined to think that if he didn't buy a gun from a gun store he would've just picked one up illegally.
That said:
- Movie theater for a big summer blockbuster premiere
- Apartment building
-or-
- Weirdo temple for weirdo brown people religion we don't know much about (and also confuse w/ "muslim" since they're brown and not Christian)
Two of those three things strikes fear into the hearts of average white Americans, and one does not. Why do you think people like Andrew Napolitano (sp?) on Fox News is so reluctant to call the Wisconsin shooting "domestic terrorism"? He kinda has a point, albeit an incidental one - terrorism are acts that necessarily cause fear or terror in citizens going about their daily business. The grocery store becomes suspect, sports stadiums pat you down, airports - well, golly
in' whillikers. But a Sikh temple? That's not terrorism to white people, because it doesn't threaten our daily lives or routines. It hasn't disrupted a single thing, except the dissonance needed to deny that white supremacists are extreme right wingers, and that the domestic terrorism report from 2009 that discussed the upswing in right-wing terrorist groups and their potential for domestic terrorism was, in fact, correct.That's all.[/QUOTE]
I still find it funny with Holmes they try to bring up gun control. Listening to news about him booby trapping his apartment and such I'm inclined to think that if he didn't buy a gun from a gun store he would've just picked one up illegally.
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I don't know a whole lot about what he purchased/built/used (i.e., I don't know if he bought anything illegally), so I can't speculate on that. Did he?
Supposedly everything Holmes and Page bought in terms of guns were legally bought.
Most of what I hear about gun control revolves around the assault weapons ban. But at least with Page's case, he didn't use an assault rifle or anything, so it doesn't seem like it would've mattered in that case.
Most of what I hear about gun control revolves around the assault weapons ban. But at least with Page's case, he didn't use an assault rifle or anything, so it doesn't seem like it would've mattered in that case.
He may have been able to kill more people in that time frame if he had assault weapons with high capacity clips etc. Hard to say without knowing how tightly packed people were etc.
It certainly made a difference in the Giffords shooting in AZ since he was tackled and stopped while reloading. If he'd had a lower capacity clip he'd have been taken down sooner.
Limiting things like assault weapons, clips of more than 10 bullets etc. won't stop these type of shootings. But they can help cut down the damage done in each one at least due to having to reload more often, and the fact that these nutjobs generally aren't hardcore criminals with connections to get banned weapons off the black market and tend to be buying their weapons through legal channels.
It certainly made a difference in the Giffords shooting in AZ since he was tackled and stopped while reloading. If he'd had a lower capacity clip he'd have been taken down sooner.
Limiting things like assault weapons, clips of more than 10 bullets etc. won't stop these type of shootings. But they can help cut down the damage done in each one at least due to having to reload more often, and the fact that these nutjobs generally aren't hardcore criminals with connections to get banned weapons off the black market and tend to be buying their weapons through legal channels.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Limiting things like assault weapons, clips of more than 10 bullets etc. won't stop these type of shootings. But they can help cut down the damage done in each one at least due to having to reload more often, and the fact that these nutjobs generally aren't hardcore criminals with connections to get banned weapons off the black market and tend to be buying their weapons through legal channels.[/QUOTE]
I may be wrong on this, but if I remember correctly, private sales of grandfathered items like larger capacity mags are legal.
I may be wrong on this, but if I remember correctly, private sales of grandfathered items like larger capacity mags are legal.
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[quote name='mykevermin']There's more sensationalism, sure - it's not often someone is armed to the degree Holmes was, or takes measures like setting up explosives in his apartment. I don't think intelligent flies, but psychotic certainly does - it appeals to those people who read "true crime" books and whatnot.
That said:
- Movie theater for a big summer blockbuster premiere
- Apartment building
-or-
- Weirdo temple for weirdo brown people religion we don't know much about (and also confuse w/ "muslim" since they're brown and not Christian)
Two of those three things strikes fear into the hearts of average white Americans, and one does not. Why do you think people like Andrew Napolitano (sp?) on Fox News is so reluctant to call the Wisconsin shooting "domestic terrorism"? He kinda has a point, albeit an incidental one - terrorism are acts that necessarily cause fear or terror in citizens going about their daily business. The grocery store becomes suspect, sports stadiums pat you down, airports - well, gollyin' whillikers. But a Sikh temple? That's not terrorism to white people, because it doesn't threaten our daily lives or routines. It hasn't disrupted a single thing, except the dissonance needed to deny that white supremacists are extreme right wingers, and that the domestic terrorism report from 2009 that discussed the upswing in right-wing terrorist groups and their potential for domestic terrorism was, in fact, correct.
That's all.[/QUOTE]
I noticed that too - at first the news was reporting possible domestic terrorism and then as details came out the Sikh temple shooting was labeled a "hate crime".
That's a pretty good analysis, Fox news runs on straight hate and fear so an event that doesn't strike fear in the hearts of their viewers won't get alot of airplay.
That said:
- Movie theater for a big summer blockbuster premiere
- Apartment building
-or-
- Weirdo temple for weirdo brown people religion we don't know much about (and also confuse w/ "muslim" since they're brown and not Christian)
Two of those three things strikes fear into the hearts of average white Americans, and one does not. Why do you think people like Andrew Napolitano (sp?) on Fox News is so reluctant to call the Wisconsin shooting "domestic terrorism"? He kinda has a point, albeit an incidental one - terrorism are acts that necessarily cause fear or terror in citizens going about their daily business. The grocery store becomes suspect, sports stadiums pat you down, airports - well, golly
in' whillikers. But a Sikh temple? That's not terrorism to white people, because it doesn't threaten our daily lives or routines. It hasn't disrupted a single thing, except the dissonance needed to deny that white supremacists are extreme right wingers, and that the domestic terrorism report from 2009 that discussed the upswing in right-wing terrorist groups and their potential for domestic terrorism was, in fact, correct.That's all.[/QUOTE]
I noticed that too - at first the news was reporting possible domestic terrorism and then as details came out the Sikh temple shooting was labeled a "hate crime".
That's a pretty good analysis, Fox news runs on straight hate and fear so an event that doesn't strike fear in the hearts of their viewers won't get alot of airplay.
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