"Skills Draft" in 2005 if Bush is re-elected??

E-Z-B

E-Z-B

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Timeline shows truth of Impending Bush Draft in 2005

Feb. 11 2003 - Top-level meeting between the head of the SSS and Deputy Undersecretary Abell in charge of Personnel and Readiness of the DoD on the SKILLS DRAFT. This is the meeting of the secret Issue Paper, revealed by the Freedom of Information Act in May. The SSS goes back encouraged enough to do some more planning.
http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

Summer 2003 - Drive to start filling DRAFT BOARD vacancies by asking current board members to find new ones.

Fall 2003 - According to Family Circle magazine, Karl Rove polls the GOP Caucus in Congress to see if they would support a Bush reinstatement of the DRAFT. The Republicans told Rove they would vote to bring the DRAFT BACK IF BUSH ASKS FOR IT (from the paper magazine).
http://www.gjusa.com/news/pressReleaseDetails.jsp?id=4141

Fall 2003 - DoD announces critical skills shortages in linguists, computer experts and engineers. SSS Director Brodsky orders the designing of the SKILLS DRAFT procedures, the reg card and the massive database needed to track every young American under 35 and their skills. Brodsky, who "plays" JE McNeil and other anti-draft leaders by calling them regularly and shmoozing them, lies to McNeil telling her that in February of 2003 the SSS had to "justify their existence" before a hostile committee--when in reality the SSS and DOD were having the SKILLS DRAFT meeting and he himself had just started designing the new system and making it his top priority.

Sept 2003 - Draft board recruitment ad goes up on Web.

November 2003 - Draft board ad scrubbed!

Dec. 2003 - Brodsky announces the SKILLS DRAFT to be the "top priority' of the SSS in newsletter and tells of rapid progress to come.

March 13, 2004 - Word of SKILLS DRAFT leaks out in a SF Chronicle story and the SSS admits it and tells reporters it’s just a planning contingency. In an attempt to throw the press off, the SSS also says it would take 2 years to gear up and work out the kinks for the SKILLS DRAFT and that there is no funding for it. Eric Rosenberg, the reporter on the story, finds out about the Feb. 11 meeting Issue Paper and files a Freedom of Information Act request to get it.
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2004/03/13/MNG905K1BC1.DTL


May 1, 2004 – Article on SKILLS DRAFT leaves out key points of how skills conscription would be expanded to fill labor shortages throughout Dept of Homeland Security, 1/3 of government, how the SKILLS DRAFT can be called without a combat draft, how SKILLS INDUCTEES will be inducted within a mere 90 days of reauthorization, that the SSS wanted to “promptly” change the very MISSION of the SSS and so on. The article does, however, reveal many major point of sweeping plan. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

Sept 13, 2004 – Issue Paper agenda memo of key Feb 2003 meeting posted on the Web at http://www.blatanttruth.org/selective_service091304.pdf

Summer, Fall 2004 – MOCK DRAFT LOTTERY HELD, SAMPLE MEDICAL EXAM REPORT ORDERS ISSUED TO MAIL LIST. Alternative Service geared up for first time in 31 years! Papers to place Conscientious Objectors with employers actually drawn up. SSS brought up to 95% operational capability, full Medical draft capability set for 2005, all DRAFT BOARD vacancies filled by Spring 2005! On March 31, 2005, the SSS Director must report to the Congress that the entire system is primed and ready to open 2,000 draft board offices and start inducting within 75 days, or June 15, 2005.

Anyone see a pattern here? It's called
BUSH ’04 = DRAFT ‘O5

“There will be no draft when John Kerry is President.” - John Edwards


Credit to DU.
 
Hey, I know someone on the draft board.

It does look like the draft is comming back, actually.

The biggest clue is that the draft board is on standby.
 
I can see myself being a candidate for this draft.

I'm an electrical engineer (RF/microwave) doing work on radars for the past few years.
 
Glad I've got a Computer Science degree... People with backgrounds in programming, data retrival and such aren't the kind you tend to throw out on to the front lines.
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']They have to find you, first.[/quote]

True. But they could start with my tax returns where I list my profession. Then they would see my age and employer (defense industry).
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='CheapyD']Good thing I have no skills whatsoever.
Whew![/quote]

Have you ever heard the term 'meat shield'?

:wink:[/quote]

See: Arab peasant.
 
EZB, you stand very little chance getting drafted from a position like that in private defense industry. They may offer your employer a huge contract to send people somewhere but they're not going to be put in uniform.

If you're working radar they'd keep you in your profession and skill. Likely you'd end up at one of the new bases being established in eastern Europe or one of the former Soviet states/stans that we're setting up lily pad operations from. Or, they have you backfill domestic positions in the US that were vacated by active duty personnel that went to go fill those roles.
 
Let's suppose that a draft does occur. Considering that the military does not have great pay how do people make ends meet? For example, if I were to be drafted I would lose my income and health insurance. As a result, I would end up losing my house because I'm sure mortage companies don't have to make any kind of sacrifices during times of war. Since I am an engineer I assume I would at least start out at a higher pay scale, but probably nowhere near what would be needed for my wife and daughter to keep the house. I know some of you on this board are involved with the military. How does this work, exactly?
 
[quote name='coffman']Let's suppose that a draft does occur. Considering that the military does not have great pay how do people make ends meet? For example, if I were to be drafted I would lose my income and health insurance. As a result, I would end up losing my house because I'm sure mortage companies don't have to make any kind of sacrifices during times of war. Since I am an engineer I assume I would at least start out at a higher pay scale, but probably nowhere near what would be needed for my wife and daughter to keep the house. I know some of you on this board are involved with the military. How does this work, exactly?[/quote]

You could follow the Vice President's example and keep taking deferments. Just tell the draft board that Iraq "isn't a priority for you."
 
[quote name='coffman']Let's suppose that a draft does occur. Considering that the military does not have great pay how do people make ends meet? For example, if I were to be drafted I would lose my income and health insurance. As a result, I would end up losing my house because I'm sure mortage companies don't have to make any kind of sacrifices during times of war. Since I am an engineer I assume I would at least start out at a higher pay scale, but probably nowhere near what would be needed for my wife and daughter to keep the house. I know some of you on this board are involved with the military. How does this work, exactly?[/quote]

I have great news. You probably are screwed. Health insurance - welcome to tricare.

Loss of income? Ha! Should you be drafted you would be drafted as an enlisted soldier with fewer than 2 years of experience. Howver because you appear to have some education you probably would go in as a specialist. Without getting into any special pay issues your base pay as an E-5 under 2 years would be: $1700!

http://www.dfas.mil/money/milpay/pay/2004paytable.pdf

But don't worry - you could live on onbase housing for free.

CTL
 
[quote name='CTLesq'][quote name='coffman']Let's suppose that a draft does occur. Considering that the military does not have great pay how do people make ends meet? For example, if I were to be drafted I would lose my income and health insurance. As a result, I would end up losing my house because I'm sure mortage companies don't have to make any kind of sacrifices during times of war. Since I am an engineer I assume I would at least start out at a higher pay scale, but probably nowhere near what would be needed for my wife and daughter to keep the house. I know some of you on this board are involved with the military. How does this work, exactly?[/quote]

I have great news. You probably are screwed. Health insurance - welcome to tricare.

Loss of income? Ha! Should you be drafted you would be drafted as an enlisted soldier with fewer than 2 years of experience. Howver because you appear to have some education you probably would go in as a specialist. Without getting into any special pay issues your base pay as an E-5 under 2 years would be: $1700!

http://www.dfas.mil/money/milpay/pay/2004paytable.pdf

But don't worry - you could live on onbase housing for free.

CTL[/quote]

Yet another reason to vote Bush out of office. I suppose in this situation my only hope would be to seek a deferment.
 
How's this message from our Great Leader:

Last week Our Great Leader didn't exactly rule out a military draft if he gets another four years. What he actually said, at a campaign event, was, "no, we don't need a draft. What we need to do is - don't worry about it." Got that, everyone? Don't worry about it! Just like the rest of the nightmare Iraq has become - don't worry about it! Bush went on: "What we need to do is to make sure our troops are well-paid, and well-housed, and well-equipped." Alternatively, he could do what he's doing to the 3rd Brigade Combat Team from Fort Carson who said last week that they were told to re-enlist for three more years - or be transferred to Iraq. "They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," said one of the soldiers. So much for the "volunteer military," eh? You know, perhaps Bush is right - who needs a draft when they can press soldiers back into service simply by threatening them? Don't worry about it! Oh, and pay no attention to this document, which definitely does not indicate that the Pentagon is planning a draft. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/171.html
 
Nonetheless, Flahavan said the agency has begun designing procedures for a targeted registration and draft of people with computer and language skills, in case military officials and Congress authorize it.

Doh!
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']How's this message from our Great Leader:

Last week Our Great Leader didn't exactly rule out a military draft if he gets another four years. What he actually said, at a campaign event, was, "no, we don't need a draft. What we need to do is - don't worry about it." Got that, everyone? Don't worry about it! Just like the rest of the nightmare Iraq has become - don't worry about it! Bush went on: "What we need to do is to make sure our troops are well-paid, and well-housed, and well-equipped." Alternatively, he could do what he's doing to the 3rd Brigade Combat Team from Fort Carson who said last week that they were told to re-enlist for three more years - or be transferred to Iraq. "They said if you refuse to re-enlist with the 3rd Brigade, we'll send you down to the 3rd Armored Cavalry Regiment, which is going to Iraq for a year, and you can stay with them, or we'll send you to Korea, or to Fort Riley (in Kansas) where they're going to Iraq," said one of the soldiers. So much for the "volunteer military," eh? You know, perhaps Bush is right - who needs a draft when they can press soldiers back into service simply by threatening them? Don't worry about it! Oh, and pay no attention to this document, which definitely does not indicate that the Pentagon is planning a draft. http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/171522_draft01.html

http://www.democraticunderground.com/top10/04/171.html[/quote]

I have read these articles. They may or may not be true. But, ok lets assume this 1st SGT actually made these statements. (1) Assuming this guy said what is alleged, does not translate into Army-wide policy and (2) have you ever met a 1st SGT? (silly question I know) such a tactic is not beyond many of them, and yet it would have no teeth (3) I am not convinced these soldiers don't have an axe to grind.

Finally, I think you all need to consider that the draft is politically untenable.

Really.

CTL
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Finally, I think you all need to consider that the draft is politically untenable.

Really.

CTL[/quote]

The Republicans would probably declare that the patriotic thing to do is allow the draft to occur and that anyone against the draft is really for the terrorists. Total BS, of course, but that is how the current administration has been operating. The sad thing is, half the population of the U.S. is buying it without question.
 
[quote name='coffman'][quote name='CTLesq']Finally, I think you all need to consider that the draft is politically untenable.

Really.

CTL[/quote]

The Republicans would probably declare that the patriotic thing to do is allow the draft to occur and that anyone against the draft is really for the terrorists. Total BS, of course, but that is how the current administration has been operating. The sad thing is, half the population of the U.S. is buying it without question.[/quote]

No I disagree for the following reasons. Institute a draft and middle class support for this thing goes out the door.

The reality is no one with the exception of military families have had to make any concessions in their lifestyle for the war on terror. Indeed there have been 2 tax cuts.

The draft is a scare tactic brought up by the Democrats. It is unusable by the Republicans. This wouldn't be something that you can just shout people down over.

CTL
 
I agree that the draft is a political "third rail" which is why the current administration will continue to deny it up until the election. I don't know if they have any plans to institute a draft again, but I certainly wouldn't put it past them. Bush can't run again. Cheney has declared he is done politically after the next term. They wouldn't be burning any political capital of their own.

They have lied before to get what they want...
 
[quote name='CTLesq']
The reality is no one with the exception of military families have had to make any concessions in their lifestyle for the war on terror.
[/quote]

YET. I'm sure there will be some sort of consequences down the road. Two things come to mind immediately:

1. Where is the money for the war coming from? It is running the deficit WAY up. We will eventually need to either raise taxes or cut spending elsewhere to balance it again, either of which will affect many people.

2. The way Iraq has been handled has most likely caused even MORE people (mostly Middle-easterners of course) to hate america, which will either lead to a) terrorism coming back here in some form (if they are determined enough they can surely blow up something here) OR b) lead to policies with other countries affecting our ecomony enough to cause problems (major or minor) for people back here.
 
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