So.. Al-Qaida already has nukes in the US?

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http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=45203

WASHINGTON – As London recovers from the latest deadly al-Qaida attack that killed at least 50, top U.S. government officials are contemplating what they consider to be an inevitable and much bigger assault on America – one likely to kill millions, destroy the economy and fundamentally alter the course of history, reports Joseph Farah's G2 Bulletin.

According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union – including suitcase nukes, nuclear mines, artillery shells and even some missile warheads. In addition, documents captured in Afghanistan show al-Qaida had plans to assemble its own nuclear weapons with fissile material it purchased on the black market.

In addition to detonating its own nuclear weapons already planted in the U.S., military sources also say there is evidence to suggest al-Qaida is paying former Russian special forces Spetznaz to assist the terrorist group in locating nuclear weapons formerly concealed inside the U.S. by the Soviet Union during the Cold War. Osama bin Laden's group is also paying nuclear scientists from Russia and Pakistan to maintain its existing nuclear arsenal and assemble additional weapons with the materials it has invested hundreds of millions in procuring over a period of 10 years.

The plans for the devastating nuclear attack on the U.S. have been under development for more than a decade. It is designed as a final deadly blow of defeat to the U.S., which is seen by al-Qaida and its allies as "the Great Satan."

At least half the nuclear weapons in the al-Qaida arsenal were obtained for cash from the Chechen terrorist allies.

But the most disturbing news is that high level U.S. officials now believe at least some of those weapons have been smuggled into the U.S. for use in the near future in major cities as part of this "American Hiroshima" plan, according to an upcoming book, "The al-Qaida Connection: International Terrorism, Organized Crime and the Coming Apocalypse," by Paul L. Williams, a former FBI consultant.

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.

"Each suitcase weighed between 50 and 80 kilograms (approximately 110 to 176 pounds) and contained enough fissionable plutonium and uranium to produce an explosive yield in excess of two kilotons," wrote Williams. "One suitcase bore the serial number 9999 and the Russian manufacturing date of 1988. The design of the weapons, Tenet told the president, is simple. The plutonium and uranium are kept in separate compartments that are linked to a triggering mechanism that can be activated by a clock or a call from the cell phone."

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.

Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes. Al-Qaida has developed close relations with the Albanian Mafia, which assists in the smuggling and sale of heroin throughout Europe and the U.S.

Some of that money is used to pay off the notorious MS-13 street gang between $30,000 and $50,000 for each sleeper agent smuggled into the U.S. from Mexico. The sleepers are also provided with phony identification, most often bogus matricula consular ID cards indistinguishable from Mexico's official ID, now accepted in the U.S. to open bank accounts and obtain driver's licenses.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.

Bin Laden's goal, according to the book, is to kill at least 4 million Americans, 2 million of whom must be children. Only then, bin Laden has said, would the crimes committed by America on the Arab and Muslim world be avenged.

There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.

The future plan, according to captured al-Qaida agents and documents, suggests the attacks will take place simultaneously in major cities throughout the country – including New York, Boston, Washington, Las Vegas, Miami, Chicago and Los Angeles.

In response to the G2 Bulletin revelations, Chris Simcox, founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps, a citizen action group demanding the U.S. government take control of its borders, said an immediate military presence on the borders is now imperative "to stop the overwhelming influx of unidentified, potentially hostile and seditious persons coming across at an alarming rate."

"Terrorists have carte blanche to carry practically anything they want across our national line at this time," he said. "As ordinary citizens have warned this government for years, the only surprising part about the new information reported here is that nothing apocalyptic from Mexican-border weapons trafficking has yet happened. Terrorism has reared its ugly head in London again these past few days, and as we know all too well we are not immune in this country. At this point, the next attempt to attack America at home is just a matter of 'when,' not 'if.' And our unsecured borders have surely contributed to this threat – yet our government officials continue to fiddle while our nation's margin of security and safety burns away. The president and Congress had better wake up before they have to answer for another devastating terrorist incursion on our own soil."
 
It makes the point that poppy production in afghanistan has increase EVEN THOUGH the u.s. took control. Truth be told, poppy production was almost destroyed by the taliban, so it's not "even though" but "because" the u.s. took control. Second, the bush administration has reduced funding for programs that attempted to recover and secure nuclear weapons of the the former ussr, and instead decided to fund more high profile things that scream "we're doing something".

Though, two issues. One, despite how ruthless a gang is, I think it is unlikely that a non ideologically motivated u.s. gang would be assisting them with nuking a u.s. city, let alone multiple cities. Second, the source is very untrustworthy.

Overal, the main source speaking in the article seems to be very politically motivated. The information is also too clear and precise (even down to the exact amount bin laden wants killed) to be considered accurate, especially when coming from such an unreputable source. Another thing is it seems to play off fear more than reality, no matter how horrible bin laden is, suggesting that 2 million (of the 4) MUST be children seems a little far fetched for me to believe. It seems to suggest this is well know among the intelligence community, another thing I find far fetched. They even throw the whole "evil russian" thing in for good measure, saying they're paying russian nuclear scientists to maintain their existing arsenal.

To say it outright, I just don't buy it.
 
Just great! There's a sleeping giant where we live and all we need is for Al-Qaida to wake it up...

I guess this is what we get for giving Bin Laden CIA training
 
Unfortunately in regards to poppy production the British and NATO have done a poor job in eradicating it. But yes, the Taliban were actually suppressing the trade and it has popped up again since there aren't a lot of ways for Afghan farmers to make money.

[quote name='alonzomourning23']Though, two issues. One, despite how ruthless a gang is, I think it is unlikely that a non ideologically motivated u.s. gang would be assisting them with nuking a u.s. city, let alone multiple cities. Second, the source is very untrustworthy.[/QUOTE]

MS-13 is I think a Salvadoran gang, not a U.S. gang, although it has been responsible for some major gang violence problems recently here due to being able to come over our porous southern border. And you're right; consider the source. I'd take anything written in this article with a large grain of salt.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']
MS-13 is I think a Salvadoran gang, not a U.S. gang, although it has been responsible for some major gang violence problems recently here due to being able to come over our porous southern border. And you're right; consider the source. I'd take anything written in this article with a large grain of salt.[/QUOTE]

I never heard of the gang and just looked it up quickly, it said they're operating in mexico, u.s., canada and some south american countries, and that it was formed by immigrants from south american countries. No idea how accurate that info was though since I just took it from one website.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I never heard of the gang and just looked it up quickly, it said they're operating in mexico, u.s., canada and some south american countries, and that it was formed by immigrants from south american countries. No idea how accurate that info was though since I just took it from one website.[/QUOTE]

I assume it was from knowgangs.com, and if it was--you can trust it
 
[quote name='"crazy rednecks"']According to captured al-Qaida leaders and documents, the plan is called the "American Hiroshima" and involves the multiple detonation of nuclear weapons already smuggled into the U.S. over the Mexican border with the help of the MS-13 street gang and other organized crime groups.[/QUOTE]
So, if the weapons are already in the US, isn't it pretty much too late to do anything already? What are they waiting for, the theatrical release of 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' this Friday so they can go to their 77 virgins having first witnessed the spendor of Johnny Depp?

Al-Qaida has obtained at least 40 nuclear weapons from the former Soviet Union.
Well, we better hurry up and invade Iran then!

According to Williams, former CIA Director George Tenet informed President Bush one month after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks that at least two suitcase nukes had reached al-Qaida operatives in the U.S.
So they've had these nukes in the US for nearly 4 YEARS now, and STILL haven't done anything with them? Hell, I don't even think 'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' was in production at that point, and I can't imagine any other reason for them to have waited. The alternative possibility, though, that Tenet is as full of shit as when he claimed Iraq has WMDs just seems so unlikely too... Right?

According to the author, the news sent Bush "through the roof," prompting him to order his national security team to give nuclear terrorism priority over every other threat to America.

However, it is worth noting that Bush failed to translate this policy into securing the U.S.-Mexico border through which the nuclear weapons and al-Qaida operatives are believed to have passed with the help of the MS-13 smugglers. He did, however, order the building of underground bunkers away from major metropolitan areas for use by federal government managers following an attack.
So Bush, believing that nuclear terrorist attacks were inevitable, basically didn't do shit beyond building bunkers for some of his buddies. Man, I'm glad Kerry lost the election - otherwise, we might be unprepared for terrorist attacks.

Bin Laden, according to Williams, has nearly unlimited funds to spend on his nuclear terrorism plan because he has remained in control of the Afghanistan-produced heroin industry. Poppy production has greatly increased even while U.S. troops are occupying the country, he writes.
As already said, the Taliban did an excellent job of keeping heroin production down. Or are we rewriting history here so that the Taliban were producing heroin to supply Bin Laden with money? Its so hard to keep things straight when everything gets rewritten like that.

The Bush administration's unwillingness to secure the U.S.-Mexico border has puzzled and dismayed a growing number of activists and ordinary citizens who see it as the No. 1 security threat to the nation. The Minuteman organization is planning a major mobilization of thousands of Americans this fall designed to shut down the entire 2,000-mile border as it did in April with a 23-mile stretch in Arizona.
Yep, uneducated hillbillys with shotguns will stop them nuclear-bomb carrying terrorists!

According to Williams' sources, thousands of al-Qaida sleeper agents have now been forward deployed into the U.S. to carry out their individual roles in the coming "American Hiroshima" plan.
So they have thousands of agents already and multiple nuclear weapons already in the US? So, um, isn't it a little too late for the 'redneck patrol'?

There is virtually no doubt among intelligence analysts al-Qaida has obtained fully assembled nuclear weapons, according to Williams. The only question is how many. Estimates range between a dozen and 70. The breathtaking news is that an undetermined number of these weapons, including suitcase bombs, mines and crude tactical nuclear weapons, have already been smuggled into the U.S. – at least some across the U.S.-Mexico border.
Hasn't this already been said multiple times already in the article? Did the author have to go out to buy another hit of crack and forget where he was or something?

This is truely a dumb-ass 'report'.
 
We shouldn't have any doubts that nukes could very well, already, be in the US. designed for a terrorist attack.

Between the Dems letting the mexicans freely invade our country and the Reps sweeping them up for cheap labor what did you expect?

Homeland security is a fucking joke when you can't and won't secure the damn border. The really sad part is that even if we do get nuked we probably still won't close the border. I can hear it now "although we are sorry for the thousands that died we can't deny mexicans the right to break our laws and invade our country whenever they feel like it."

I swear I am going to write a book called 'The decline of common sense'. How can we say that we are keeping terrorists out when we won't do the most basic things like securing our VERY OPEN borders??
 
[quote name='Scrubking']...the Dems letting the mexicans freely invade our country...[/QUOTE]
Um, who has control of the executive, legistaltive, and judicial branches of gocernment for the last 5 years, and who is cooperating with Mexico's president who actively encourages his citizens to cross the border?
 
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