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Super Bowl evades mass shooting

Feds: Distraught man had rifle, ammo set for gunfire


PHOENIX (AP) -- A would-be bar owner angry at being denied a liquor license threatened to shoot people at the Super Bowl and drove to within sight of the stadium with a rifle and 200 rounds of ammunition before changing his mind, federal authorities said.
Kurt William Havelock, who ultimately turned himself in, had vowed to "shed the blood of the innocent" in a manifesto mailed Sunday to media outlets, according to court documents. "No one destroys my dream," he wrote.


The documents say he was armed with an AR-15 assault-style rifle Sunday when he reached a parking lot near University of Phoenix Stadium in Glendale, where pre-game activities were happening.
"He waited about a minute and decided he couldn't do this," FBI agent Philip Thorlin testified at a detention hearing for Havelock on Tuesday.


Havelock's father testified that his son then called his fiancee and met his parents at his condominium in Tempe, like Glendale a Phoenix suburb.
"He was very upset; he was sobbing hysterically," Frank Havelock said. "He said, 'I've done something terribly, terribly wrong.' "
Kurt Havelock, 35, was charged Monday with mailing threatening communications. He is being held without bail, and additional hearings have yet to be scheduled.


Havelock's lawyer, Jeffrey Allen Williams, did not immediately return a call seeking comment.
Federal authorities say Havelock was upset over being denied a liquor license.
A few months ago, Tempe officials denied Havelock's application for a liquor license for a Halloween-themed bar called The Haunted Castle, city spokeswoman Shelley Hearn said.
Tempe officials never recommended the license to the state liquor board, Hearn said.


"There were some neighbors who came forward and said it wasn't the right business for their part of Tempe," she said. "They'd heard he wanted to call his place 'Drunkenstein's.' "
The FBI said in the complaint that Havelock had planned to attack Super Bowl fans at the stadium in what he called an "econopolitical confrontation."
"I will not be bullied by the financial institutions and their puppet politicians," Havelock wrote in the eight-page manifesto, according to the complaint.
"I will test the theory that bullets speak louder than words. Perhaps the blood of the inculpable will cause a paradigm shift. ... Someone has to start the revolution but no one wants to be first."


Authorities said in the complaint that Havelock first thought of targeting a shopping center in north Phoenix before planning to attack the Super Bowl.
"How many dollars will you lose? And all because you took my right to own a business from me," the manifesto said.





ridiculous how close it came to a real tragedy
 
Holy crap, man! I wonder how many people he would have killed... I don't know much about guns, but a damn assault rifle? MAN!

On a side note,...both DRUNKENSTEIN'S and the HAUNTED CASTLE sound like awesome places to me!
 
Everyone in America should be issued a six-shooter. Then if you want to shoot someone, you better make those six bullets count and know they're packing too. Tragedies will be small scale and people wouldn't get mugged so often. Voila! I just solved America's gun crime problems by giving people guns.
 
[quote name='crunchb3rry']Everyone in America should be issued a six-shooter. Then if you want to shoot someone, you better make those six bullets count and know they're packing too. Tragedies will be small scale and people wouldn't get mugged so often. Voila! I just solved America's gun crime problems by giving people guns.[/quote]


i think Chris Rock said it best:
[MEDIA]http://youtube.com/watch?v=juLQBeZXmPU[/MEDIA]
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Oh, but the answer to these situations isn't tighter gun control, it's more guns!

/sarcasm[/QUOTE]

Criminals don't obey gun control laws.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Criminals don't obey gun control laws.[/quote]I'm not gonna argue with that, but I'm also not gonna back off my stance that everyone having a gun would be a bad thing.

It's purely a numbers game, the fewer people who have guns = fewer deaths from gun shots. The more people who have guns increases the chances that they won't be used responsibly.

I wouldn't want half the people i see on a daily basis packing heat. I'm surprised half of them can even walk and chew gun at the same time.
 
Because, in a stadium filled with 70,000 *ARMED* fans of the Giants and Patriots, nobody would be shot, and everyone would leave peacefully, like they already do, in the absence of a crazed shooter.

;)

More guns indeed.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Because, in a stadium filled with 70,000 *ARMED* fans of the Giants and Patriots, nobody would be shot, and everyone would leave peacefully, like they already do, in the absence of a crazed shooter.

;)

More guns indeed.[/quote]

don't forget drunk
 
I'd love to see the projected number of deaths from an armed soccer mob. Would probably be a near 100% death toll.:lol:
 
The name of his bar was gonna be Drunkensteins, u know that place was gonna be crunk. I got hyped up just reading the name of it.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']It's purely a numbers game, the fewer people who have guns = fewer deaths from gun shots.[/quote]
Thanks.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']Oh, but the answer to these situations isn't tighter gun control, it's more guns!

/sarcasm[/quote]

I just looked it up - the AR-15 specs sound pretty hardcore and it's hard for me to believe anyone would use it for hunting.
 
[quote name='yukine']"Drunkensteins" that's a pretty awesome name. :lol:[/quote]

Probably why he was denied. I wouldn't think the state looks too highly on bars that blantantly advertise their intent to get patrons completely blotto.
 
AR-15

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Not only would this have been another massive shooting tragedy, but it would've been broadcasted on live TV. At least for a few moments anyway.
 
I doubt they will, but if they wanted to, the prosecution could hit this guy with charges that are just as bad as if he had actually gone through with it.

Every murder this sick fuck thought about committing, he took a substantial step towards. This alone is enough for attempt, which in most states carries the same sentences as if the D had commited them.
 
[quote name='Simon D I']I don't know much about guns, but a damn assault rifle? MAN![/quote]

Assault Rifle is such a loose term. It doesn't make a weapon any more or less deadly. He could've done more damage with an M1A without a doubt (not an assault weapon).

[quote name='camoor']I just looked it up - the AR-15 specs sound pretty hardcore and it's hard for me to believe anyone would use it for hunting.[/quote]

Dude the AR-15 is one of the most effective hunting guns i've ever used. Semi-auto means you have a follow up shot if you miss (or didn't put the animal down clean). One of the most accurate rifles out there. To top it off ammo is cheap but effective plus parts are everywhere.

IDK why he would go to the trouble of shooting when he could fly through the parking lot tailgaters @ 40 like the guy @ the farmers market in Santa Monica.
 
[quote name='Magehart']
IDK why he would go to the trouble of shooting when he could fly through the parking lot tailgaters @ 40 like the guy @ the farmers market in Santa Monica.[/quote]

High cost of gas prices? Eh? Ehhh?
 
[quote name='Magehart']To top it off ammo is cheap but effective plus parts are everywhere.[/quote]

The first time I read this I thought you meant parts of the animals.
 
[quote name='Lieutenant Dan']The first time I read this I thought you meant parts of the animals.[/quote]

Only with a shotgun slug ;)
 
Not to get OT w/that lame old gun control argument, but the guy did stop himself and admit he went off the deep end. The story ended well overall and hopefully that guy will get treatment for what seems to be a bipolar or other mental disorder.
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']If he added "Professor" or "Dr." in front of the "Drunkensteins" there would be a 2 month waiting list.[/quote]

Yes.
 
[quote name='yukine']"Drunkensteins" that's a pretty awesome name. :lol:

Thank jebus he ended up being a pussy, that would of been a massacre.[/quote]

So not slaughtering a bunch of innocent people makes one a "pussy" :whistle2:k interesting.
 
[quote name='Magehart']Dude the AR-15 is one of the most effective hunting guns i've ever used. Semi-auto means you have a follow up shot if you miss (or didn't put the animal down clean). One of the most accurate rifles out there. To top it off ammo is cheap but effective plus parts are everywhere.[/quote]

I stand corrected, thanks for the explanation. IMO the suitability of guns for hunting is too often overlooked in gun control debates.
 
I'm glad he decided to do the right thing and not go forth with the massacre. He just may need some therapy or something.
 
The AR-15 or CAR-15 (Colt Automatic Rifle) is the civilian version of the M-16.

Drunkenstein's...man I can't help but laugh when I say the name. Much better than the "Haunted Booze Castle" or whatever that first choice mentioned in the article was. I think I'm going to get started on opening up a Doctor Drunkenstein's on the Sunset Strip. Or maybe a Count Drunkula's...

Gonna get Lindsay all shitfaced then charge the papparazzi $1,000 a head to get in the back door and get shots...
 
[quote name='Magehart']Assault Rifle is such a loose term. It doesn't make a weapon any more or less deadly. He could've done more damage with an M1A without a doubt (not an assault weapon).[/QUOTE]

Actually, it has a pretty specific definition, but the AR doesn't fit it, I think. You've used one, so you'd have to tell me -- the civilian model doesn't have selective fire, right?

[quote name='Magehart']Dude the AR-15 is one of the most effective hunting guns i've ever used. Semi-auto means you have a follow up shot if you miss (or didn't put the animal down clean). One of the most accurate rifles out there. To top it off ammo is cheap but effective plus parts are everywhere.[/QUOTE]

Well ... I don't know that "effective as a hunting weapon" is a particularly viable category for justifying the legality of a weapon. A .50 cal would be great for hunting, too, but that's really not what it's for.
 
[quote name='Cracka']The name of his bar was gonna be Drunkensteins, u know that place was gonna be crunk. I got hyped up just reading the name of it.[/quote]

I know.
That would have been to the place to be at.

Let's go to Drunkensteins.
 
[quote name='karkyco']Drunkenstein's...man I can't help but laugh when I say the name. Much better than the "Haunted Booze Castle" or whatever that first choice mentioned in the article was. I think I'm going to get started on opening up a Doctor Drunkenstein's on the Sunset Strip. Or maybe a Count Drunkula's...[/QUOTE]

Devil May Get fuckin' Hammered?
 
[quote name='Strell']Did anyone see the picture of this guy yet?

Dude looks straight out of a Jhonen Vasquez comic.[/quote]

fucking link please!
 
Had to search around a bit, but finally found one:

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Spiky red-dyed hair, goggles, pale skin...

Dude could be Nny if he changed it to black.
 
It is extremely obvious to me that this guy was playing violent video games like Counter-Strikers, Halo 4, Manhunting and Grand Auto Stealing. Allowing our children to continue to play these murder simulators will only cause them to all grow up and act in the same barbaric manner as this man. We need to act now before the world is thrown into chaos and destroyed into a nuclear apocalypse driven by violent video game addiction.
 
[quote name='Strell']Had to search around a bit, but finally found one:

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Spiky red-dyed hair, goggles, pale skin...

Dude could be Nny if he changed it to black.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's one more VNV Nation fan behind bars.

*whew*
 
[quote name='Strell']Did anyone see the picture of this guy yet?

Dude looks straight out of a Jhonen Vasquez comic.[/quote]

[quote name='Strell']Had to search around a bit, but finally found one:

15238591_240X180.jpg


Spiky red-dyed hair, goggles, pale skin...

Dude could be Nny if he changed it to black.[/quote]

Wow you weren't kidding with that Jhonen Vasquez comparison.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']So not slaughtering a bunch of innocent people makes one a "pussy" :whistle2:k interesting.[/quote]

HA! And people say you're a bit slow. You catch on quick, buddy boy. ;)
 
[quote name='Strell']Had to search around a bit, but finally found one:

15238591_240X180.jpg


Spiky red-dyed hair, goggles, pale skin...

Dude could be Nny if he changed it to black.[/quote]

WOW! I was expecting something like a depressed 40 year old man. Not....that.
 
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