South Korea, about as smart as cement.

A friend of mine, who is like a hippie, peace loving, loves everyone, was over and I was flipping through the channels and he wanted to listen to this. I'm like "Fine", so after about a minute he gives me this look and pretty much goes "They should have killed them all".

Honestly I think it's wrong to spread ones bullshit made up lies, aka religion, but to do so in one of the worst palces in the world? Idiots.
 
Negotiating with anyone who kidnaps people in the first place is wrong. Secondly as much as you want you can never stop missionaries. The biggest mission field in the world for christian missionaries right now is China. They face being imprisoned, tortured, and even killed yet they go there. That takes incredible conviction and courage and no matter how much you may hate a religion you have to recognize that.

Finally I hold high contempt for any country that gives in to anyones; be it terrorist or criminal; demand when they have done something completely unnaceptable.

You are aware that there are many muslim missionaries around the world and even in the united states are you not?

Bigdaddy while organized religion may be lies stupid people who live in places that haven't reached the level where everyone can receive a education must beleive in religion. It is a important force behind giving stupid people faith. No matter how much of a athiest or a agnostic you are telling these people that there is no God and no price to pay for doing anything would basically kill all hope for those people. They are stupid; have no education; and simply cannot survive without something highter to beleive in. And science really doesn't work.

Now you could force them into science and make them all beleive the truth. Suicide rates would skyrocket and people wouldn't even try to find education. Considering these are nations where less than %10 of the population even have basic high school education. So we can do that. But frankly I rather not have 20 thousand afghanis killing themselves each year.
 
[quote name='electronicmaji']Bigdaddy while organized religion may be lies stupid people who live in places that haven't reached the level where everyone can receive a education must beleive in religion. It is a important force behind giving stupid people faith. No matter how much of a athiest or a agnostic you are telling these people that there is no God and no price to pay for doing anything would basically kill all hope for those people. They are stupid; have no education; and simply cannot survive without something highter to beleive in. And science really doesn't work. [/quote]
... :rofl: You're full of it. People need religion like they need dysentary, and requiring that undeveloped societies have fictional dogma shoved down their throats (rather than being taught fact) is insulting to what intelligence they do have as humans. They have a right to know that the world is round, has existed for billions of years, and wasn't blown out of the ass of some western deity's ass. They can form their own religion, but if they want to learn, they're entitled to a non-biased, scientific viewpoint.

Really, your post sounds like the gameplan of Christian missionaries back in the day when they sailed round the world and teaching the savages salvation Jeebus Chrast. Enjoy your crusades.

They are stupid; have no education; and simply cannot survive without something highter to beleive in.
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Who the fuck are you to say that? Seems to me like typical fundamentalist-talking-down-to-the-gentiles bullshit. Also, science really does work. True science is a flawless form of logic, and immensly superior to ZOMG GAWD DID IT. Just because they might not understand molecular biology doesn't mean they shouldn't be taught how the world works in a secular, objective fashion rather than being taught the opinion of some whitebread missionary who'd prefer to believe in laughable creationism rather than natural history.

Start the uneducated with the basics, and work from there. It's not that fucking hard.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']So it would have been better to let the missionaries die?[/quote]
Yes, I think it would have proven a great point about their god.

But even better than that, don't let them in the country.

And even better than that, we should have fixed Afghanistan instead of invading another country because the president was pissed off at the leader from trying to kill his daddy.

You don't need religion, well orginized religion, it's a cult for stupid people. I had a family member ask if I believed in God, I said "My god is different than your god". Then we agrued for the next ten minutes until she was home. I never gave her a ride again.

If you want to belive in a god, or higher power, fine by me. I believe in aliens and that we don't know all the facts around JFK murder, so I'm not one to talk. I only have a problem when people go around trying to convert people. That is wrong.

I also have a problem when people try to kill people and blame it on The [SIZE=-1]Qur'an. Or hate people, gays and women, and blame it on The Bible. Both are full of complete bullshit. Slavery is fine in The Bible, slavery isn't fine anywhere. Having long hair is bad (Ok, I agree, cough Jesus cough), and you need to wear all natural cloth, and you can't have a field of more than one crop...ect.

Believe in what you want, what you see, what you think. Don't belive it because your parents told you it.

BTW... Didn't Bin Laden say the fight against us would be over if we converted to Islam? i think that proves trying to convert people is wrong.

And one more thing, science is not perfect, and if you think that you are just as bad as some of the religious folks. If you believe humans can understand everything, and that science is always right and never wrong, than you just made science a religion.
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Frankly the truth is yes religious is for stupid people. But religion does not inherently make people stupid. Its simply something stupid people need to beleive in to feel validated. Without it a cult to beleive in most stupid people can not advance in any way.

And as much as you may hate missionaries. Its not like it should be illegal to be one. No matter what people say freedom of speech should exist in every countries. No matter if its religious, scientific, journalistic, or political.
 
So you want freedom of speech for everyone, ok, let's let the terrorist in the country and try to convert Americans to Islam.

And this isn't about free speech, which they probably don't even have over there, it's about these people forcing others to convert.
 
I'd think being a missionary into a volatile country like that should come with a waiver that if you're kidnapped you won't be helped by your country. It's pretty obvious that that's a big risk and anybody doing it should be aware of it. Then that would make taking the hostages pointless in the first place and it wouldn't happen as often (they'd just kill them immediately...).
 
[quote name='bigdaddy'][SIZE=-1]And one more thing, science is not perfect, and if you think that you are just as bad as some of the religious folks.[/SIZE][/quote]

No. True scientific process is unbiased, constantly trying to prove itself wrong, and does everything it can to explain with concrete evidence why something happens. The process is immaculate: The humans who use the process, are not.

Regardless of whether you think it's perfect or not, it is undoubtably th ebest process for processing information that humans have devised: something happens, science uses what knowlege it has to form a theory, and searches for more evidence to prove the theory correct. If there's overwhelming evidence to support the hypothesis, then it's accepted as fact. However evidence is constantly scrutinised and analysed, and if new evidence presents itself, science takes that into consideration and modifies the hypothesis. The scientific process is brilliant.

Religion's approach: Something happens, GOD DID IT PRAISE JESIS
 
[quote name='bigdaddy']So you want freedom of speech for everyone, ok, let's let the terrorist in the country and try to convert Americans to Islam.

And this isn't about free speech, which they probably don't even have over there, it's about these people forcing others to convert.[/QUOTE]

No one was forcing anyone to convert.

Yes everyone should have freedom of speech about ANYTHING whether it be how to make bombs or support of pedophilia. Speech and disimination of ideas no matter what the idea is can not be stifled! Theres a reason this was written in the god damn constitution damnit. Learn a little about the founding fathers will you?
 
I also have very little tolerance of limitations on free speech, if you prevent fundamentalist Islams from speaking in public and trying to get people to follow thier beliefs, it equates to a loss for a western democracy. It is incumbent on a free society to protect one of the things terrorists detest the most (and all western freedoms for that matter).
 
[quote name='pittpizza']I also have very little tolerance of limitations on free speech, if you prevent fundamentalist Islams from speaking in public and trying to get people to follow thier beliefs, it equates to a loss for a western democracy[/quote]

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[quote name='Liquid 2']So it would have been better to let the missionaries die?[/quote]

These missionaries made a choice. Many Christian or Mormon missionaries simply refuse to understand how offensive their presence is to Muslims. That doesn't justify killing them, of course, but it doesn't justify risking the lives of other human beings to protect missionaries from their own ignorance/stupidity. I feel sorry for them, not because of their situation, but because no matter what religion you belong to you are viewing the world in such a flawed way.
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']These missionaries made a choice. Many Christian or Mormon missionaries simply refuse to understand how offensive their presence is to Muslims. That doesn't justify killing them, of course, but it doesn't justify risking the lives of other human beings to protect missionaries from their own ignorance/stupidity. I feel sorry for them, not because of their situation, but because no matter what religion you belong to you are viewing the world in such a flawed way.[/QUOTE]

The missionaries have a right to say, practice, or beleive whatever they want and not be killed for it. Simple as that.
 
[quote name='pittpizza']All of this talk about missionaries is making me think of the position.[/quote]

You get hard to the thought of people being kidnapped and killed?



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[quote name='dragonreborn23']These missionaries made a choice. Many Christian or Mormon missionaries simply refuse to understand how offensive their presence is to Muslims. That doesn't justify killing them, of course, but it doesn't justify risking the lives of other human beings to protect missionaries from their own ignorance/stupidity. I feel sorry for them, not because of their situation, but because no matter what religion you belong to you are viewing the world in such a flawed way.[/QUOTE]

Hey, God got ’em into the situation, let God get ’em out, I say.
 
[quote name='dragonreborn23']Many Christian or Mormon missionaries simply refuse to understand how offensive their presence is to Muslims.[/quote]

I don't like how you phrased this. It makes it seem as if Muslims are justified in despising the prescence of Christians.

The fact is that the Muslims who kill/kidnap Christian missionaries are the true bad guys. The Christian missionaries are more akin to Kim Bauer - they're cute as long as they remain in the background, but once they start bumbling into trouble you almost start rooting for the cougar to eat them.
 
[quote name='camoor']I don't like how you phrased this. It makes it seem as if Muslims are justified in despising the prescence of Christians.

The fact is that the Muslims who kill/kidnap Christian missionaries are the true bad guys. The Christian missionaries are more akin to Kim Bauer - they're cute as long as they remain in the background, but once they start bumbling into trouble you almost start rooting for the cougar to eat them.[/QUOTE]

Justified in despising Christians? No. Missionaries, people who show up uninvited, to condescend and lecture about how they know The One True Way and you're going to Hell if you don't agree, and who have the gall to tie that to badly needed help and humanitarian aid? Yes. Yes, despising them and their arrogant "good works with strings attached" is completely justified.

There's a reason everyone hates Jehovah's Witnesses showing up on their doorstep. Now picture them pulling that in a war zone. I don't advocate violence, of course ... but despising them? I can get behind that.
 
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