Spoiled rich kids get screwed over by religious asshole

I find it crazy that some students were rentin a 20,000 house for after prom retreat. thats prob the cost of most peoples whole school's prom
 
That seems strange. 7k a year and those kids are loaded? My jr high and high school was 10k a year, and almost all of them were just middle class, with some poor and 2 or 3 real rich kids thrown in. Prom was just the typical limo ride, hotel etc. Nothing like that.
 
what I find weird is the fact that parents are paying not only to put them through a catholic school, but also paying to host their drunken debacuhery.

Am I the only one to see such hypocriticism?
 
I think , religious peculiarities aside, it's becoming a problem. Prom and "sweet 16" parties are moving closer and closer to the kind of financial burden for parents that weddings are. It will never get that bad, but it still strains the families tremendously. Because it's crass consumerism at the end of the day, I think it's important for people to try to put a stop to creating prom as a lavish event that ends up costing each student damn near (or well over) $500 to reasonably participate in.

OTOH, that is not, in any way, shape, or form, the intent of the principal. I do have some sympathy for him; if only because it will ostensibly become the school's moral and legal liability if and when a student arrives, leaves, or becomes drunk during the prom itself. The very same parents who are angry at this school for cancelling prom will, in all likelihood, be the first to blame the school for allowing their children to misbehave when on "school time." It's a tough call.

My HS had a beginning and ending curfew; we had to arrive by a certain time and couldn't leave before a certain time. This didn't prevent debauchery, but it covered their ass (which, of course, is all that matters). Perhaps a method such as this could be instituted in order to prevent delinquent behavior during the times when they are the school's liability.
 
[quote name='triforcer']they'll just throw their own.[/QUOTE]

Exactly and when the do some women will get raped, or someone will drive drunk and kill themselves or someone will choke to death on their own vomit after drinking to much.

That's the great thing about the rightious, all is good so long as their hands are clean.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Exactly and when the do some women will get raped, or someone will drive drunk and kill themselves or someone will choke to death on their own vomit after drinking to much.

That's the great thing about the rightious, all is good so long as their hands are clean.[/QUOTE]

Well, you can't really force their hand. If they all want to be drunk and stupid, so be it. Hopefully they'll learn some important life lessons before their prom is over.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Well, you can't really force their hand. If they all want to be drunk and stupid, so be it. Hopefully they'll learn some important life lessons before their prom is over.[/QUOTE]

If only our society worked like that....
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']Just that any problems will result in lawsuits.[/QUOTE]

Well, yea, but if parents buy large booze cruise boats, and kids get stupid and hurt or start raping each other like bunnies in heat, they will have no one to blame but themselves...or their parents.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Well, yea, but if parents buy large booze cruise boats, and kids get stupid and hurt or start raping each other like bunnies in heat, they will have no one to blame but themselves...or their parents.[/QUOTE]

And the school district and principle. Had the students had a "normal" supervised party clearly these types of things would have been avoided.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']And the school district and principle. Had the students had a "normal" supervised party clearly these types of things would have been avoided.[/QUOTE]

Well, I'd rather be sued based on a speculation of what may have happened had I done something (which can be easily dismiised and thrown out of court, if for no other reason than it being speculative conjecture), then to be sued for having not done my job well enough to stop kids from resorting to deliquency.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Well, I'd rather be sued based on a speculation of what may have happened had I done something (which can be easily dismiised and thrown out of court, if for no other reason than it being speculative conjecture), then to be sued for having not done my job well enough to stop kids from resorting to deliquency.[/QUOTE]

Actually I was suggesting that the district would get sued and drop the principle like a brick to get out of it. Or at least that's what they seem to do here with teachers.
 
Am I the only one seriously distrubed by not only the vaccuous, self-centered twits they put on MTV's "My Sweet 16" but the parents who will blow well into six figures on a party, band, clothes, gifts and a car? I honestly was shocked at the extravagence displayed on that show and horrified at the children expecting it be lavished upon them. Here was my sweet 16, bunch of friends, grilled food, sodas everyone went home. Hell, I thought that was great!

Now these kids expect well know major artists, BMW's, $5,000 gowns, full catering, limos to hand out invitations? WTF is this? Why are parents allowing it, endorsing it and competing with their own peers in idiocy?

I have no sympathy for these spoiled brats who had their prom pissed on. I will agree with the principal that events like this are nothing but drunken, drugged out orgies of extravagence. Kids have been getting laid and drunk on prom night since the concept was invented. However it used to be a couple of rebels getting a room at Motel 6, having a brother buy them a case of beer and the two trashy chicks guaranteed to put out if you remembered their name and danced with them slow.

I fail to see why a school should put together an event like this given what happens with all the activites surrounding it. Sorry, these are still kids. They need to have guidelines and someone pointing out the rightness and wrongness of their behavior and actions. Unfortunately in cases like this the parents need to be told how to act like adults as well. You just don't allow kids to rent a $10,000 house for the night!

DUH! Earth to moronic parents!
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Am I the only one seriously distrubed by not only the vaccuous, self-centered twits they put on MTV's "My Sweet 16" but the parents who will blow well into six figures on a party, band, clothes, gifts and a car? I honestly was shocked at the extravagence displayed on that show and horrified at the children expecting it be lavished upon them. Here was my sweet 16, bunch of friends, grilled food, sodas everyone went home. Hell, I thought that was great!

Now these kids expect well know major artists, BMW's, $5,000 gowns, full catering, limos to hand out invitations? WTF is this? Why are parents allowing it, endorsing it and competing with their own peers in idiocy?

I have no sympathy for these spoiled brats who had their prom pissed on. I will agree with the principal that events like this are nothing but drunken, drugged out orgies of extravagence. Kids have been getting laid and drunk on prom night since the concept was invented. However it used to be a couple of rebels getting a room at Motel 6, having a brother buy them a case of beer and the two trashy chicks guaranteed to put out if you remembered their name and danced with them slow.

I fail to see why a school should put together an event like this given what happens with all the activites surrounding it. Sorry, these are still kids. They need to have guidelines and someone pointing out the rightness and wrongness of their behavior and actions. Unfortunately in cases like this the parents need to be told how to act like adults as well. You just don't allow kids to rent a $10,000 house for the night!

DUH! Earth to moronic parents![/QUOTE]

I watched that show and felt the same way. But, i was wondering if everyone watched the show and felt the same way. Maybe MTV was trying to show that this kind of culture exists and hopefully people watching the show will question if they are like those on tv.

*edit* AND hypocriticism is not a word *edit*
 
I fail to see how the principal is a "religious asshole" when his main gripe with the prom is the "financial decadence." It's obscene for 16-18 year olds to be spending thousands of dollars for a school dance. And he left it up to the parents if they want to take the initiative and hold their own prom. The school is just not willing to sponsor the obscenity. I don't get the impression from that article that he is just trying to cover his ass as far as the sex, drugs and alcohol on prom night are concerned.

And I have to agree that MTV's Sweet 16 is equally offensive.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Sorry, these are still kids. They need to have guidelines and someone pointing out the rightness and wrongness of their behavior and actions.[/QUOTE]

Soon enough, they'll be in college, where they can wallow in as much decadence and obscenity as they want. Since they're all rich, they'll all be business majors, and be able to wallow in the filth of coke parties and hookers for years and years to come.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']Soon enough, they'll be in college, where they can wallow in as much decadence and obscenity as they want. Since they're all rich, they'll all be business majors, and be able to wallow in the filth of coke parties and hookers for years and years to come.[/QUOTE]

That reminds me; I found the upper-class equivalent of "the rose" (those miniature roses in glass tubes sold in convenience stores? They're crack pipes). I was at a coffee shop this morning (fulfilling my bourgeoisie desinty), and I noticed that they were selling tins of breath mints; the cases was a nice solid tin case (like altoids), and for some ungodly reason featured a mirror on the bottom of the case. It's totally perfect for your coke.

I wish PAD had read my post; he would have found that, for the most part, he would have agreed with me. I do find it peculiar, however, that those who defend free market ideologies recognize *anything* as too lavish to permit. Just a thought (and not, for once, an ad hominem).
 
Hey, what people do with their own money is their business. If they choose to do this to, I won't say for, this kids God bless. If my kid(s) ever expected this they'd have another thing coming. There's no way I'd participate in such a charade just because they lived 16 years.

I just know that I went to high school and college with a fair share of kids like this. Many of them are still living at home into their early 30's, incapable of holding a job for more than 8 months, living crappy lifestyles (Compared to what they grew up in and have the ability to earn on their own.), have gotten chicks pregnant or become pregnant while throwing the fathers out of their lives for being even more worthless. They wreck or destroy cars every 20-30 months, have blown through hundreds of thousands of dollars etc. It's like watching people live through "Less Than Zero".

These types of events create an incredibly inflated self-esteem and unrealistic expectations. While mom and dad may have made money from real estate, small business, financial planning, doctoring or lawyering they did, at one point, work for a top flight education, put a lot of blood sweat and tears into a lot of lean years to make themselves wealthy. They are passing along none of the good traits they developed and are in fact doing the exact opposite.

I can't tell you how many times I interviewed fresh 22 and 23 year olds at Morgan Stanley that were disappointed they would make no more than $24,000 to start for two years, would be expected to work 60 hours a week, would have no referral business and handed no accounts or individuals with any kind of substantial portfolio to help them on their way. I took a great deal of satisfaction looking in the eyes of straight A business students and MBA's and telling them what they did in school did not matter for the job they were applying for. The only thing we required was a 4 year degree. Didn't matter if it were in underwater basket weaving. None of their honors, fraternity/sorority work or any academic distinction meant a damn thing in the real world. What was even more ironic about this is we had one chick that was so naieve that her straight A's would really be an assett. Yeah, she took the Series 7, failed and well... you do that? You get fired.

You should have been on that phone call to hear her cry asking to come back, she'd take the test again at her own expense YADDA YADDA YADDA. Welcome to real life kid, your education and spoiled upbringing prepared you for nothing.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']I fail to see how the principal is a "religious asshole" when his main gripe with the prom is the "financial decadence." It's obscene for 16-18 year olds to be spending thousands of dollars for a school dance. And he left it up to the parents if they want to take the initiative and hold their own prom. The school is just not willing to sponsor the obscenity. I don't get the impression from that article that he is just trying to cover his ass as far as the sex, drugs and alcohol on prom night are concerned.[/QUOTE]

Read between the lines. It's a Catholic school. Reread Hoagland's quotes, he says "it is rather the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake" - vanity is a mortal sin according to Catholics. Again: "Hogland is fed up with what he called the 'Bacchanalian aspects.'" - tell me he isn't making this a "family values" issue. In fact, even the christian codeword of values rears it's head a few paragraphs later:
"The school has excellent values," said Margaret Cameron of Plainview. "We send our children here because we support the values and the administration of the school and I totally back everything they do."

Ahh Margaret, what a good little sheep you are.

It's a typically draconian solution that's designed to thwart vanity and lust (two of the Catholic mortal sins, never mind that lust is a base human impulse that is better dealt with and discussed then repressed). The whole "financial decadence" red herring is just Hoagland's submission to another deadly sin - envy.

Don't get me wrong - most of the parents are over-permissive idiots, but surely there are a few kids who don't fall into the "sodom and gamorrah" crowd, kids who don't deserve to lose the party. A courageous school leader would setup reasonable rules for behavior, proper security, and escort trouble-makers out of the event.
 
Uh well, if they were students at a Catholic school wouldn't that make the kids, parents and their families (Considering many kids live in homes without biological parents.) religous assholes as well?

Reading between the lines of course.

By your "logic" which, as usual, is lacking; this would be religous assholes supressing other religous assholes and religous assholes agreeing with the religous assholes that made this decision. Of course though you can give yourself an out by admitting you're a full on bigot in which case the religous asshole was really supressing just "normal" Americans who aren't really religous assholes in the first place.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Am I the only one seriously distrubed by not only the vaccuous, self-centered twits they put on MTV's "My Sweet 16" but the parents who will blow well into six figures on a party, band, clothes, gifts and a car? I honestly was shocked at the extravagence displayed on that show and horrified at the children expecting it be lavished upon them. Here was my sweet 16, bunch of friends, grilled food, sodas everyone went home. Hell, I thought that was great!

Now these kids expect well know major artists, BMW's, $5,000 gowns, full catering, limos to hand out invitations? WTF is this? Why are parents allowing it, endorsing it and competing with their own peers in idiocy?

I have no sympathy for these spoiled brats who had their prom pissed on. I will agree with the principal that events like this are nothing but drunken, drugged out orgies of extravagence. Kids have been getting laid and drunk on prom night since the concept was invented. However it used to be a couple of rebels getting a room at Motel 6, having a brother buy them a case of beer and the two trashy chicks guaranteed to put out if you remembered their name and danced with them slow.

I fail to see why a school should put together an event like this given what happens with all the activites surrounding it. Sorry, these are still kids. They need to have guidelines and someone pointing out the rightness and wrongness of their behavior and actions. Unfortunately in cases like this the parents need to be told how to act like adults as well. You just don't allow kids to rent a $10,000 house for the night!

DUH! Earth to moronic parents![/QUOTE]


wow for once total agreement on something, I imagine hell is pretty chilly right now
 
Read between the lines. It's a Catholic school. Reread Hoagland's quotes, he says "it is rather the flaunting of affluence, assuming exaggerated expenses, a pursuit of vanity for vanity's sake" - vanity is a mortal sin according to Catholics.
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I've been to a catholic school, you're reading into it something that isn't there. Not everything someone who believe in religion does can be blamed on their religion.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Uh well, if they were students at a Catholic school wouldn't that make the kids, parents and their families (Considering many kids live in homes without biological parents.) religous assholes as well?

Reading between the lines of course.[/QUOTE]

Not everyone who is religious is also an asshole about it.

Besides, unless the Catholic church has a new sect that permits Bacchanalian parties, I think you'd be hard pressed to label the decadent students as "Catholics" :D
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I've been to a catholic school, you're reading into it something that isn't there. Not everything someone who believe in religion does can be blamed on their religion.[/QUOTE]

For the record, I've been to Catholic school too. And I just don't understand that second sentence (after reading it 3 times...)
 
Oh so what's your distinction between being religous and a religous asshole? Someone that actually tries to adheres to the proponents of their religion?

If that's the case I expect you to start railing against Muslim's who are religous assholes blowing up, beheading and murdering other sects of their own faith.

Nah, won't hold my breath. The only religous assholes are American Christian religous assholes in your little world.
 
[quote name='camoor']For the record, I've been to Catholic school too. And I just don't understand that second sentence (after reading it 3 times...)[/QUOTE]

You can't assume there's a religious reason just because you're dealing with a religious person. Especially when there's only a very weak connection, such as the use of the word vain, and then connect it to the seven deadly sins (which is a marginal concept) and assuming that's the connection the person was making.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Oh so what's your distinction between being religous and a religous asshole? Someone that actually tries to adheres to the proponents of their religion?

If that's the case I expect you to start railing against Muslim's who are religous assholes blowing up, beheading and murdering other sects of their own faith.

Nah, won't hold my breath. The only religous assholes are American Christian religous assholes in your little world.[/QUOTE]

Fundamentalists and radicals of all colors who attempt to force others to live by their religious rules, by using the authority of the gun or the law, are assholes in my world. Religious followers who terrorize those who don't live by their sacred laws certainly fall in this category.

I believe in religious freedom.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']You can't assume there's a religious reason just because you're dealing with a religious person. Especially when there's only a very weak connection, such as the use of the word vain, and then connect it to the seven deadly sins (which is a marginal concept) and assuming that's the connection the person was making.[/QUOTE]

Decadence, vanity, 'Bacchanalian aspects'? Values talk and mothers who "totally back everything they do" no matter how heavy-handed?

Show me a non-christian school principal who talks like this, or gets carte blanche from the parents.
 
[quote name='camoor']Decadence, vanity, 'Bacchanalian aspects'? Values talk and mothers who "totally back everything they do" no matter how heavy-handed?

Show me a non-christian school principal who talks like this, or gets carte blanche from the parents.[/QUOTE]

I couldn't show you a school that behaved like this, christian or otherwise. It's just there seems little reason to blame it on religion.
 
[quote name='camoor'] A courageous school leader would setup reasonable rules for behavior, proper security, and escort trouble-makers out of the event.[/QUOTE]
But none of those rules would stop the wanton spending or the renting of the house in the Hamptons that seems to have been the trigger for this action.
Besides if this is a private Catholic school, he can do whatever he thinks is reasonable. If he doesn't want to have a prom for whatever reason, he can decide not to have one. He's not forcing his will onto anyone who didn't decide to attend a Catholic school.

I think you're reading way too much into the religious aspect and ignoring the idea that a principal is disturbed by the obscene displays of wealth at prom.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']what I find weird is the fact that parents are paying not only to put them through a catholic school, but also paying to host their drunken debacuhery.

Am I the only one to see such hypocriticism?[/QUOTE]

People who go through Catholic schools are much more sexually repressed.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Hey, what people do with their own money is their business. If they choose to do this to, I won't say for, this kids God bless. If my kid(s) ever expected this they'd have another thing coming. There's no way I'd participate in such a charade just because they lived 16 years.

I just know that I went to high school and college with a fair share of kids like this. Many of them are still living at home into their early 30's, incapable of holding a job for more than 8 months, living crappy lifestyles (Compared to what they grew up in and have the ability to earn on their own.), have gotten chicks pregnant or become pregnant while throwing the fathers out of their lives for being even more worthless. They wreck or destroy cars every 20-30 months, have blown through hundreds of thousands of dollars etc. It's like watching people live through "Less Than Zero".

These types of events create an incredibly inflated self-esteem and unrealistic expectations. While mom and dad may have made money from real estate, small business, financial planning, doctoring or lawyering they did, at one point, work for a top flight education, put a lot of blood sweat and tears into a lot of lean years to make themselves wealthy. They are passing along none of the good traits they developed and are in fact doing the exact opposite.

I can't tell you how many times I interviewed fresh 22 and 23 year olds at Morgan Stanley that were disappointed they would make no more than $24,000 to start for two years, would be expected to work 60 hours a week, would have no referral business and handed no accounts or individuals with any kind of substantial portfolio to help them on their way. I took a great deal of satisfaction looking in the eyes of straight A business students and MBA's and telling them what they did in school did not matter for the job they were applying for. The only thing we required was a 4 year degree. Didn't matter if it were in underwater basket weaving. None of their honors, fraternity/sorority work or any academic distinction meant a damn thing in the real world. What was even more ironic about this is we had one chick that was so naieve that her straight A's would really be an assett. Yeah, she took the Series 7, failed and well... you do that? You get fired.

You should have been on that phone call to hear her cry asking to come back, she'd take the test again at her own expense YADDA YADDA YADDA. Welcome to real life kid, your education and spoiled upbringing prepared you for nothing.[/QUOTE]

I'm totally inclined to agree. The greed and extravagence that many of the kids at school eschew just bothers me...especially considering how devoid of intellect and how vapid they really are.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']But none of those rules would stop the wanton spending or the renting of the house in the Hamptons that seems to have been the trigger for this action.[/QUOTE]

Sure they do. There are plenty of warnings against vanity, excess, pride in material possessions, etc that are codified in the bible.

[quote name='MrBadExample']Besides if this is a private Catholic school, he can do whatever he thinks is reasonable. If he doesn't want to have a prom for whatever reason, he can decide not to have one. He's not forcing his will onto anyone who didn't decide to attend a Catholic school.[/QUOTE]

He may be within his rights, however I don't think it's a reasonable course of action to take. Especially because I would imagine that there are many students who follow the rules who are being denied the prom as well. What does this teach them?

[quote name='MrBadExample']I think you're reading way too much into the religious aspect and ignoring the idea that a principal is disturbed by the obscene displays of wealth at prom.[/QUOTE]

There is a conservative religious aspect to this Principal's punishment for displaying wealth - reread his wording. It's all the more humorous if you've ever been to Italy to see the Vatican.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']wow for once total agreement on something, I imagine hell is pretty chilly right now[/QUOTE]

haha, i agree with PAD on this one too. a pig just flew out of someones butt :)
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']Am I the only one seriously distrubed by not only the vaccuous, self-centered twits they put on MTV's "My Sweet 16" but the parents who will blow well into six figures on a party, band, clothes, gifts and a car? I honestly was shocked at the extravagence displayed on that show and horrified at the children expecting it be lavished upon them. Here was my sweet 16, bunch of friends, grilled food, sodas everyone went home. Hell, I thought that was great!

Now these kids expect well know major artists, BMW's, $5,000 gowns, full catering, limos to hand out invitations? WTF is this? Why are parents allowing it, endorsing it and competing with their own peers in idiocy?

I have no sympathy for these spoiled brats who had their prom pissed on. I will agree with the principal that events like this are nothing but drunken, drugged out orgies of extravagence. Kids have been getting laid and drunk on prom night since the concept was invented. However it used to be a couple of rebels getting a room at Motel 6, having a brother buy them a case of beer and the two trashy chicks guaranteed to put out if you remembered their name and danced with them slow.

I fail to see why a school should put together an event like this given what happens with all the activites surrounding it. Sorry, these are still kids. They need to have guidelines and someone pointing out the rightness and wrongness of their behavior and actions. Unfortunately in cases like this the parents need to be told how to act like adults as well. You just don't allow kids to rent a $10,000 house for the night!

DUH! Earth to moronic parents![/QUOTE]

I definately agree here. I had friends whose parents spent thousands of dollars on their prom, paid them through college + gave them tons of spending money, and now that they're on their own, they're complete morons. I saved up two paychecks to pay for my prom dress in school and am currently working my way through school; my last year's roommate in the dorms was super rich and couldn't believe I'd actually "waste my time" for a few hundreds of dollars every couple of weeks. Everytime I'd come back late and tired, she'd tell me that I was stupid and that no one in their right mind would work for less than a few thousand dollars a week. My God, I wish, haha.

I like going over to her apartment though; she has a nice LCD TV, tons of good food, a nice computer, etc. Hopefully it'll come back to haunt her once she graduates, lol.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I definately agree here. I had friends whose parents spent thousands of dollars on their prom, paid them through college + gave them tons of spending money, and now that they're on their own, they're complete morons. I saved up two paychecks to pay for my prom dress in school and am currently working my way through school; my last year's roommate in the dorms was super rich and couldn't believe I'd actually "waste my time" for a few hundreds of dollars every couple of weeks. Everytime I'd come back late and tired, she'd tell me that I was stupid and that no one in their right mind would work for less than a few thousand dollars a week. My God, I wish, haha.

I like going over to her apartment though; she has a nice LCD TV, tons of good food, a nice computer, etc. Hopefully it'll come back to haunt her once she graduates, lol.[/QUOTE]i say mooch off her as much you can. the only thing worse than a spoiled brat is a cheap spoiled brat, which i happened to know during high school.
 
[quote name='vietgurl']I definately agree here. I had friends whose parents spent thousands of dollars on their prom, paid them through college + gave them tons of spending money, and now that they're on their own, they're complete morons. I saved up two paychecks to pay for my prom dress in school and am currently working my way through school; my last year's roommate in the dorms was super rich and couldn't believe I'd actually "waste my time" for a few hundreds of dollars every couple of weeks. Everytime I'd come back late and tired, she'd tell me that I was stupid and that no one in their right mind would work for less than a few thousand dollars a week. My God, I wish, haha.

I like going over to her apartment though; she has a nice LCD TV, tons of good food, a nice computer, etc. Hopefully it'll come back to haunt her once she graduates, lol.[/QUOTE]

I agree totally. I get a lot of different responses of disbelief when I tell people that I've held 8-9 different jobs up to my Junior year of college (all of which in different regions, and all of which quit for legitimate reasons). I find that a lot of people I've known don't bother with jobs because their parents give them some sort of allowance and spending money...which my mom stopped giving me back either when I was in 10th or 11th grade, and even when I got spending money, it was pretty small (that's what happens when I have a mom who is getting her Ph.D while I'm in middle school).

With a lot of these people, it seems that their first experiences with jobs are as interns. I heard lots about internships from people before they were going to work there, but almost nothing about the internships after the fact, until my mom informed me that many internships are nothing more than glorified copy bitch positions.

I can sympathize about the roommates (I've had a bunch of bad ones myself). Last year, I had 3 roommates who weren't exactly rich, but who had parents that were willing to spoil their children, typically with things like expensive clothing. One had devoted her entire college career existance to Accounting, because it would pay really well and another had devoted her college existance to psychology. However, at some time, they both decided they needed to make changes to their curriculum, because, despite how well they thought both of those majors would pay them, they got sick and tired of the material. So, they decided to change their majors to other so-called well paying majors. Afterwards, they both devoted their lives to the majors they chose just like previously. I suppose It gives me a little solace that if they picked up a career solely for the money, then they may be less happy in the long run (especially considering BOTH of them stink at the majors they had before and the majors they chose afterwards). Of course, it gives me great dismay that I may be working with people just like them...people that chose a career solely based on how much money they would make, and not whether they enjoy it or not.

Of course, the roommate that pisses me off the most is the one that had the rich-ish parents, and mocked things I did to save money because I was getting no money from my parents. For instance, a friend and I were talking. I made mention of picking up a cheaper receiver. He interjected and talked about how Circuit City had some nice receivers. "You can get a good receiver and spend as little as $300 or $400" he would say. At which point I would stare at him and tell him, "I'm not going to be spending over $100 on this". He would have a disparaging remark about how I shouldn't cheap out on things like this. There were many instances like this where I was perfectly content with lower quality items, like food, electronics, computers parts, bathroom items, etc, and he was not and encouraged me to spend more money on everything. I think the breaking point was 1 week before he was going to leave (he graduated and stayed about half the summer), he had taken all of his stuff with him, this included his own TV stand. So, being the cheap college student I was, I spent $18 on a large piece of wood cut into 4 pieces and some cinder cinder blocks. I made a cheap and easy TV stand (which was infinitely more stable than the stand he had). All he could do was tell me how much he hated how the stand looked, and how it looked like something from cabrini green (didn't really hit me what that meant till I learned that it's the area in the Chicago projects that police don't like to patrol for fear of death). He also informed me that I should take a look at target’s stock of TV stands since they have cheap stands there (I did look, they didn’t fit my TV, nor did they look particularly high quality). Not really feeling that much response was necessary, I just informed him that he was leaving soon and he shouldn’t worry about it. His response was “I’m going to try hard not to look at that for the day I’m going to be here, since I hate that”.

It’s this willful desire to be extravagant in their spending and duty to not only flaunt it, but degrade or mock those who DON’T have such affluence as them that really makes me mad about rich people. Of course, I also wonder if I had been born to a family more affluent than my own if I would have been more inclined to act like many of the kids I detest so much.
 
[quote name='capitalist_mao']I agree totally. I get a lot of different responses of disbelief when I tell people that I've held 8-9 different jobs up to my Junior year of college (all of which in different regions, and all of which quit for legitimate reasons). I find that a lot of people I've known don't bother with jobs because their parents give them some sort of allowance and spending money...which my mom stopped giving me back either when I was in 10th or 11th grade, and even when I got spending money, it was pretty small (that's what happens when I have a mom who is getting her Ph.D while I'm in middle school).

With a lot of these people, it seems that their first experiences with jobs are as interns. I heard lots about internships from people before they were going to work there, but almost nothing about the internships after the fact, until my mom informed me that many internships are nothing more than glorified copy bitch positions.

I can sympathize about the roommates (I've had a bunch of bad ones myself). Last year, I had 3 roommates who weren't exactly rich, but who had parents that were willing to spoil their children, typically with things like expensive clothing. One had devoted her entire college career existance to Accounting, because it would pay really well and another had devoted her college existance to psychology. However, at some time, they both decided they needed to make changes to their curriculum, because, despite how well they thought both of those majors would pay them, they got sick and tired of the material. So, they decided to change their majors to other so-called well paying majors. Afterwards, they both devoted their lives to the majors they chose just like previously. I suppose It gives me a little solace that if they picked up a career solely for the money, then they may be less happy in the long run (especially considering BOTH of them stink at the majors they had before and the majors they chose afterwards). Of course, it gives me great dismay that I may be working with people just like them...people that chose a career solely based on how much money they would make, and not whether they enjoy it or not.

Of course, the roommate that pisses me off the most is the one that had the rich-ish parents, and mocked things I did to save money because I was getting no money from my parents. For instance, a friend and I were talking. I made mention of picking up a cheaper receiver. He interjected and talked about how Circuit City had some nice receivers. "You can get a good receiver and spend as little as $300 or $400" he would say. At which point I would stare at him and tell him, "I'm not going to be spending over $100 on this". He would have a disparaging remark about how I shouldn't cheap out on things like this. There were many instances like this where I was perfectly content with lower quality items, like food, electronics, computers parts, bathroom items, etc, and he was not and encouraged me to spend more money on everything. I think the breaking point was 1 week before he was going to leave (he graduated and stayed about half the summer), he had taken all of his stuff with him, this included his own TV stand. So, being the cheap college student I was, I spent $18 on a large piece of wood cut into 4 pieces and some cinder cinder blocks. I made a cheap and easy TV stand (which was infinitely more stable than the stand he had). All he could do was tell me how much he hated how the stand looked, and how it looked like something from cabrini green (didn't really hit me what that meant till I learned that it's the area in the Chicago projects that police don't like to patrol for fear of death). He also informed me that I should take a look at target’s stock of TV stands since they have cheap stands there (I did look, they didn’t fit my TV, nor did they look particularly high quality). Not really feeling that much response was necessary, I just informed him that he was leaving soon and he shouldn’t worry about it. His response was “I’m going to try hard not to look at that for the day I’m going to be here, since I hate that”.

It’s this willful desire to be extravagant in their spending and duty to not only flaunt it, but degrade or mock those who DON’T have such affluence as them that really makes me mad about rich people. Of course, I also wonder if I had been born to a family more affluent than my own if I would have been more inclined to act like many of the kids I detest so much.[/QUOTE]

People think I waste my money on expensive things. That is, till I tell them all those games I paid 5 and 10 bucks for at CC and Toys r us, that my audio equipment was either christmas and birthday gifts or under half price, my guess and other designer clothing was bought for between 60 and 80% off at various sales, outlet stores etc. I'm also extremely picky. It took my 3 months to find a coffee table because I wanted a high quality looking one at a yard sale price. If I needed a TV stand I probably would have stuck the tv on the floor for 2 months until I bought one that looked like I spent a decent amount on. I doubt I ever would have built it with lumber from home depot, unless I could make it look professional.

My point? Those rich kids could still live like kings and have tons of money left over if they learned how to properly spend their money.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']People think I waste my money on expensive things. That is, till I tell them all those games I paid 5 and 10 bucks for at CC and Toys r us, that my audio equipment was either christmas and birthday gifts or under half price, my guess and other designer clothing was bought for between 60 and 80% off at various sales, outlet stores etc. I'm also extremely picky. It took my 3 months to find a coffee table because I wanted a high quality looking one at a yard sale price. If I needed a TV stand I probably would have stuck the tv on the floor for 2 months until I bought one that looked like I spent a decent amount on. I doubt I ever would have built it with lumber from home depot, unless I could make it look professional.

My point? Those rich kids could still live like kings and have tons of money left over if they learned how to properly spend their money.[/QUOTE]

People point at my iPod, until I tell them that it was both my birthday and channukah present last year and that it was the only gift I got from my family.

I'm not the most picky about everything. I did spend a lot of time getting some good parts for my computer, but that's about it. Everything else was either gotten out of necessity, or was gotten on the cheap. My really comfortable lounger chair was bought for $20 at a 2nd hand store. My grill was bought on a clearance sale. All of my PS2 games were bought for less than $20 each (I like a sale I can take advantage of, and get 4 games for $22) or gotten in a trade except for one (MGS 3. And even then, I bought it for $13 under retail). I totally understand where you're coming from, and I'm the exact same way. I just buy things when the opportunity is good and cheap.
 
I think many of us know where to skimp and save. Games, software and DVD's being the most obvious examples. On principal I may only buy 3-5 $50 games per year (My collection is currently over 300.) and my norm is >$20. I refuse to pay more than $15 for any movie and my movie collection is currently >$10 each. My breakpoint for TV DVD sets is $30 on rare exceptions $35. Much of my Mac software has been free, not downloaded, but received from friends real and online who have access to university license programs and receive the DVD's for nothing but don't own a Mac.

It's that kind of practice that allows me to fully enjoy console launches and not feel one iota of guilt dropping $1,000 on the 360 launch. I know I'll get back to my 3-5 $50 games per year in 2006 and the stuff will eventually drop to $20 like it has for the past generation. My $50 games this year were Splinter Cell: PT LE, Doom 3 LE, Forza, Conker and Far Cry Instincts. I may yet splurge on HL 2 depending on what is or isn't available on 11/22.
 
I guess this is my libertarian leanings coming out here, or maybe just my tendency to play devil's advocate...


Don't the parents and students have the right to do anything they want after the prom? The principal shouldn't be cancelling the prom because some spoiled rich kids are throwing an after-prom party or spending extravagant amounts of money. That hurts the people that aren't doing that, and honestly, it has nothing to do with the prom.

If he is taking issue with something illegal or illicit he might think will occur, he should report what information he has to the parents and the police and leave it at that.
 
[quote name='GreenMonkey']I guess this is my libertarian leanings coming out here, or maybe just my tendency to play devil's advocate...


Don't the parents and students have the right to do anything they want after the prom? The principal shouldn't be cancelling the prom because some spoiled rich kids are throwing an after-prom party or spending extravagant amounts of money. That hurts the people that aren't doing that, and honestly, it has nothing to do with the prom.

If he is taking issue with something illegal or illicit he might think will occur, he should report what information he has to the parents and the police and leave it at that.[/QUOTE]

If the children come to the prom or leae drunk, the school can be held responsible.
 
[quote name='GreenMonkey']... The principal shouldn't be cancelling the prom because some spoiled rich kids are throwing an after-prom party or spending extravagant amounts of money. That hurts the people that aren't doing that, and honestly, it has nothing to do with the prom...[/QUOTE]

That sums up my position entirely, and it's why I labeled him as an asshole.

Like it or not, flaunting of wealth is a direct result of glorifying capitalism. Why do people wear dress pants when jeans are more comfortable and require less maintenance? Why do they buy gold chains and pearl bracelets? What functionality is inherent in wearing a pair of Oakley's when a $12 pair of UV-filtered Walmart sunglasses will do the same job?

As others have pointed out, this is a private school, so if the principal and board of directors want to turn it into a religious commune then they have that authority. However he is screwing the kids out of ever having a school-sponsored prom, and I think it's a dick move.

Hell, if you're going to cancel parties for people who flaunt their wealth, then a ton of our most popular hollywood celebrities, sports stars, and CEOs are suddenly going to have a very empty schedule. Why should people who drive high-end vehicles or party at trendy summer beaches be punished? (only reason I can see is the prohibitions found in the bible)

Some people are bringing up safety concerns, but if you can't provide security and enforce a system of well-defined rules for the students at a 4 hour party, then you shouldn't be a principal.
 
You don't have to be a "religious asshole" to think that spoiled rich kids renting a house in the Hamptons for prom is a bad idea. I'm as atheistic as they come, and I think it's tacky. I find it more offensive because these kids are flaunting unearned wealth. None of these kids are self-made millionaires. Would you want your school to look like it's full of Paris Hiltons?

I'm glad the principal canceled the prom because if nothing else, it has opened up a dialogue.
 
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