Teacher burns cross into student's arm.

[quote name='Maklershed']They had to vote? :dunce:[/quote] lool, well... yeah. Come on, get wid da program. Innocent until proven guilty or found to be using steriods.
 
What a nutso. Jesus never told anybody to mutilate the bodies of children. I sincerely hope that this teacher is not "teaching the values of the parents in the Mount Vernon school district" as his friend claims.
 
thats a horrible story...what even is more perplexing to me is the fact that the science teach was christian. All of my science teachers were atheists, and there were numerous complaints about them preaching atheism in my bio class.
 
Man, in the district I work for we are told to not touch the students for any reason. Not even if they are fighting. I can't imagine why any teacher would be stupid enough to use this "high frequency generator" on students. Lame-o.
 
I think it's only fair if one part of his punishment was allowing those scarred kids to laser imprint penises all over his face and body.
 
Just when you thought the art people were creepy...

Everyone I know that's involved in science or math are boarderline psychopaths. I think it's all the logic... constantly thinking using the right side of the brain. Eventually the artistic left side takes over the weakened right side... ultimately leading the individual to self expression through disassembling people.
 
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Freshwater, according to an independent report, used an electrostatic device to mark a cross on the arm of one of his students, causing pain to the student the night of the incident and leaving a mark that lasted for approximately three weeks.
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Bad but it isn't like he branded the kid
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']I don't understand why this was moved to Vs. Mode. Not like there's any controversy here, the teacher's a nutcase.[/QUOTE]
I know right?

We can all agree that religion makes people do some crazy things.
 
Glad to see separation of church and state is still at work.

But seriously why was even allow him to bring his religious beliefs into the classroom?

and how qualified can he be as a science teacher if he:

"taught that carbon dating was unreliable to argue against evolution."


That school really needs to do a better job at hiring quality teachers.
 
Geeze, my high-school science teachers were actually pretty good. Even Especially the Jehova's Witness that taught me physics and chemistry.
 
I don't really see why this had to be moved, i know theres a religious aspect, but obviously the guy was in the wrong, no matter what his beliefs may be. Most schools frown on teachers burning their students.
 
Freshwater used a science tool known as a high-frequency generator to burn images of a cross on students' arms in December
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I propose we take all science-derived devices away for religious nuts.

If you don't agree with the scientific method, if you want to argue against sound scientific theories like the theory of evolution for religious purposes, you don't get to play with fancy toys like high-frequency generators. Let's see how religious these people are when they have to ride a horse to work and their vacation cruise is on a big sailboat that geocentrically charts the stars.
 
[quote name='camoor']
If you don't agree with the scientific method, if you want to argue against sound scientific theories like the theory of evolution for religious purposes, you don't get to play with fancy toys like high-frequency generators. Let's see how religious these people are when they have to ride a horse to work and their vacation cruise is on a big sailboat that geocentrically charts the stars.[/QUOTE]

Not to mention such people shouldn't be teaching fucking science classes!
 
[quote name='Dead of Knight']I don't understand why this was moved to Vs. Mode. Not like there's any controversy here, the teacher's a nutcase.[/QUOTE]

Because threads like these bait the anti-religious secularist types and their trite banter, like:

[quote name='tokitoki50']That's nuts. There seem to be more and more crazy religious people out there all the time.[/QUOTE]
Or perhaps it's in vogue in the media these days to look for and report silly religious stories. Keep this story the same, and replace religion for anything else and you likely would not have heard about it.

and
[quote name='crystalklear64']I know right?

We can all agree that religion makes people do some crazy things.[/QUOTE]
:roll:


[quote name='dmaul1114']Not to mention such people shouldn't be teaching fucking science classes![/QUOTE]
I am sure you didn't mean it this way, but I don't see a problem with religious people teaching science classes, as long as they don't preach their religion. Even if, outside the classroom, they like to preach and/or argue.
 
I don't know. I'm sure if the teacher was teaching that evolution was all wrong and that the mythology of the gummi bears was the right way and burning the gummi symbol into the kids, this would be on the news.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']
Or perhaps it's in vogue in the media these days to look for and report silly religious stories. Keep this story the same, and replace religion for anything else and you likely would not have heard about it.
[/QUOTE]

BS. If if were any other crazy thing that led the teacher to believe he was justified in burning any symbol into students arms it would be a news story. To act as if this is some sort of attack on religion is simply wrong.

This teacher had been doing these things for years and even though the school knew about it they did practically nothing to stop it. Had this story not blown up like it has he would still be teaching. The fact of the matter is that it is precisely because of his religious views that his illegal behavior was tolerated. Look at the ridiculous amount of support this teachers has garnered. This is a good summary of the situation:
http://cafephilos.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/the-firing-of-john-freshwater/

Pointing out that there are religious people unfit to teach science isn't discriminatory to religion, it's the truth. This is a serious issue in America, and this case aside from the cross burning is not all that unusual. 1 in 8 teachers are teaching some form of creationism in their science classes, and it needs to stop. And if it takes news stories like this to get the teachers fired then I'm all for it.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I am sure you didn't mean it this way, but I don't see a problem with religious people teaching science classes, as long as they don't preach their religion. Even if, outside the classroom, they like to preach and/or argue.[/QUOTE]

The problem isn't religious people teaching science, it's that he's not actually teaching what he's paid to if he fails to understand the scientific method so badly that he's trying to undercut evolution. Even if he's not preaching, he fails as a teacher, and should be fired.

It's like having a gym teacher who thinks activity is overrated, and everyone should just sit down and have some jelly donuts. ;)
 
Then it sounds to me like what many of you are proposing boils down to making atheism part of the job description for science teacher. Correct?

How do you get around that NOT being religious discrimination? Or do some of you truly feel what this country needs is more religious discrimination? (in the form of not hiring people that are religious for certain jobs)
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Then it sounds to me like what many of you are proposing boils down to making atheism part of the job description for science teacher. Correct?

How do you get around that NOT being religious discrimination? Or do some of you truly feel what this country needs is more religious discrimination? (in the form of not hiring people that are religious for certain jobs)[/QUOTE]

I think it's more a matter of keeping those religious beliefs out of the classroom. I had a christian science teacher in high school (he was like head of the christian club at the school) but never had any issue with creationism or anything like that. I think most people don't, though I'm sure some do.

That said, I don't like when people say that he's a religious nut. Why isn't he just a nut. Any teacher that would burn a kid is a nut, religious or not. So why throw in the extra description.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']Then it sounds to me like what many of you are proposing boils down to making atheism part of the job description for science teacher. Correct?

How do you get around that NOT being religious discrimination? Or do some of you truly feel what this country needs is more religious discrimination? (in the form of not hiring people that are religious for certain jobs)[/quote]

C'mon thrust, jesus, you have to teach science and not burn things into your students' arms to be a science teacher. Stop acting dense for argument.

Most people are religious, nobody gives a shit. Most high school science teachers are probably going to be religious, nobody gives a shit. If you teach religion instead of science in science class, then people give a shit. Most of the posts about religious people teaching science in this thread have reflected that thought.

If you can't tell the difference between "religious people shouldn't teach science" and "religious people who teach religion instead of science shouldn't teach science" then I don't know what else to say.
 
[quote name='SpazX']C'mon thrust, jesus, you have to teach science and not burn things into your students' arms to be a science teacher. Stop acting dense for argument.

Most people are religious, nobody gives a shit. Most high school science teachers are probably going to be religious, nobody gives a shit. If you teach religion instead of science in science class, then people give a shit. Most of the posts about religious people teaching science in this thread have reflected that thought.

If you can't tell the difference between "religious people shouldn't teach science" and "religious people who teach religion instead of science shouldn't teach science" then I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]

Calm down. I wasn't referring to this particular case of this nutjob, or burning students. That should have been evident.

I was referring to these comments specifically:
[quote name='StealthNinjaScyther']Pointing out that there are religious people unfit to teach science isn't discriminatory to religion, it's the truth. This is a serious issue in America, and this case aside from the cross burning is not all that unusual. 1 in 8 teachers are teaching some form of creationism in their science classes, and it needs to stop. And if it takes news stories like this to get the teachers fired then I'm all for it.[/quote]

[quote name='trq']The problem isn't religious people teaching science, it's that he's not actually teaching what he's paid to if he fails to understand the scientific method so badly that he's trying to undercut evolution. Even if he's not preaching, he fails as a teacher, and should be fired.[/quote]

I was merely asking what the "answer" to the perceived "problem" outlined in those two posts might be.

Although now that I read Trq's post a few more times, I may have initially misunderstood it. It's hard to know if he's referring to the case in the OP or speaking generally.
 
[quote name='SpazX']C'mon thrust, jesus, you have to teach science and not burn things into your students' arms to be a science teacher. Stop acting dense for argument.

Most people are religious, nobody gives a shit. Most high school science teachers are probably going to be religious, nobody gives a shit. If you teach religion instead of science in science class, then people give a shit. Most of the posts about religious people teaching science in this thread have reflected that thought.

If you can't tell the difference between "religious people shouldn't teach science" and "religious people who teach religion instead of science shouldn't teach science" then I don't know what else to say.[/QUOTE]

Calm down. I wasn't referring to this particular case of this nutjob, or burning students. That should have been evident. I get what your saying and agree.

I was referring to these comments specifically, which I initially felt were outside of your description of "most of the posts in this thread":
[quote name='StealthNinjaScyther']Pointing out that there are religious people unfit to teach science isn't discriminatory to religion, it's the truth. This is a serious issue in America, and this case aside from the cross burning is not all that unusual. 1 in 8 teachers are teaching some form of creationism in their science classes, and it needs to stop. And if it takes news stories like this to get the teachers fired then I'm all for it.[/quote]

[quote name='trq']The problem isn't religious people teaching science, it's that he's not actually teaching what he's paid to if he fails to understand the scientific method so badly that he's trying to undercut evolution. Even if he's not preaching, he fails as a teacher, and should be fired.[/quote]

I was merely asking what the "answer" to the perceived "problem" outlined in those two posts might be. Reading through this thread, it's not a stretch to see that there is a lot of "resentment" under the skin, even if not fully vocalized, for religious science teachers.

Although now that I read Trq's post a few more times, I may have initially misunderstood it.
 
I thought you were referring to those two comments, which is why I posted that you were trying to be dense for the purpose of making an argument. Neither of those comments were arguing against religious people teaching science. I would say that only three of the posts in this thread seem to be against religion/religious people (tokitoki's, crystalklear's, and camoor's) and two of them (tokitoki's and camoor's) are qualified by "crazy" and "nuts" so they're not clearly talking about run-of-the-mill religious people that don't argue against science or burn crosses into people. The only post that stands out to me as blatantly anti-religion is what crystalklear wrote.

Nobody said that religious people shouldn't teach science, only that they shouldn't teach religion in their science classes or not teach about science that they personally don't agree with for religious reasons. If a science teacher teaches science well, then I don't think anybody here has suggested that they'd care what his/her religion was.
 
[quote name='thrustbucket']I was merely asking what the "answer" to the perceived "problem" outlined in those two posts might be. Reading through this thread, it's not a stretch to see that there is a lot of "resentment" under the skin, even if not fully vocalized, for religious science teachers.

Although now that I read Trq's post a few more times, I may have initially misunderstood it.[/QUOTE]

To clarify: for many years, my science teachers were Jesuits. Not just teachers with strong religious beliefs -- actual priests belonging to an actual order with actual vows and everything. If I wanted to talk about religion, the chapel was open at any time. But in science class, they taught science. So obviously I'm not proposing "all science teachers must be atheists." But StealthNinjaScyther is right: there are religious people who are unfit to teach science because they insist on teaching Creationism/ID instead, and they should be fired as quickly and surely as we'd fire an English teacher who only speaks Spanish.
 
[quote name='trq']To clarify: for many years, my science teachers were Jesuits. Not just teachers with strong religious beliefs -- actual priests belonging to an actual order with actual vows and everything. If I wanted to talk about religion, the chapel was open at any time. But in science class, they taught science. So obviously I'm not proposing "all science teachers must be atheists." But StealthNinjaScyther is right: there are religious people who are unfit to teach science because they insist on teaching Creationism/ID instead, and they should be fired as quickly and surely as we'd fire an English teacher who only speaks Spanish.[/QUOTE]

Alright. Thank you for clarifying that.
 
[quote name='trq']To clarify: for many years, my science teachers were Jesuits. Not just teachers with strong religious beliefs -- actual priests belonging to an actual order with actual vows and everything. If I wanted to talk about religion, the chapel was open at any time. But in science class, they taught science. So obviously I'm not proposing "all science teachers must be atheists." But StealthNinjaScyther is right: there are religious people who are unfit to teach science because they insist on teaching Creationism/ID instead, and they should be fired as quickly and surely as we'd fire an English teacher who only speaks Spanish.[/quote]

That last line was spot on, stick to your subject matter, keep your beliefs to yourself.

I do have to wonder though, how much could a strongly religious person believe the subject matter? I mean, if you're standing there teaching something you believe is bullshit, how effective can you be at teaching it?
 
[quote name='JolietJake']

I do have to wonder though, how much could a strongly religious person believe the subject matter? I mean, if you're standing there teaching something you believe is bullshit, how effective can you be at teaching it?[/QUOTE]

That's really what I was getting at with my previous comments. It becomes hard to draw the line, but it seems most people are willing to draw the line at just bringing up religion in the classroom period, not measuring how effective they teach.
 
Has American christians, always been adverse to evolution? I say American as we are one of the few countries that actually has a large population that doubts evolution. I think Turkey is on the same level as us. It just seems like its a current topic. It seems ever since Bush brought fire under the right wing religious conservatives did creationism become a issue. I don't remember hearing about this in the 80's or 90's.
 
:rofl: crazy fuckin christians.

I really wanna post this pic, but it's EXREMELY offensive.....Like I would prolly end up in the depths of hell for it as well :rofl:...especially since it's religion related..

Last Saturday was a good night.. :cool:
 
[quote name='lilboo']:rofl: crazy fuckin christians.

I really wanna post this pic, but it's EXREMELY offensive.....Like I would prolly end up in the depths of hell for it as well :rofl:...especially since it's religion related..

Last Saturday was a good night.. :cool:[/quote]


Silly homo, your going to hell anyway. Why hold back?
 
Well there are some MODS on here with a really sour sense of humor.. :lol:
It's not Jesus I fear!!

EDIT: Ok I PM'd you the pic, :rofl:
 
[quote name='lilboo']:rofl: crazy fuckin christians.

I really wanna post this pic, but it's EXREMELY offensive.....Like I would prolly end up in the depths of hell for it as well :rofl:...especially since it's religion related..

Last Saturday was a good night.. :cool:[/QUOTE]

But there are extremists in almost any religion, are there not?

But in any case, it shouldn't really matter what he was teaching or what religion he was. If I had a child in that school only to find physical harm was being done my child would be promptly pulled until action was taken against that teacher.
 
this is why the law "seperation bewteen church and state" exists, to prevent stuff like this. now, im not blaming liberals or republicans for this mess. they are both equally guility in my law book. however, we need to seriously revise the constitution imo to prevent future burnings and lawless activity such as this.
 
[quote name='cheapassVigilante'] we need to seriously revise the constitution imo to prevent future burnings and lawless activity such as this.[/QUOTE]

Why?

Harming people, especially kids, and especially in the classroom are all already very illegal. What needs to change in the constitution to make them more illegal or prevent this stuff further?
 
[quote name='The Crotch']A small matter of having eleventy jafillion times the numbers, I would imagine.[/QUOTE]

Good point. Perhaps it has nothing to do with the religion, and just the statistical probability of being completly fucking bat shit crazy.
 
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