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I've heard many far right commentators talk about rounding up all the illegal immigrants in the u.s., here's a country that is actually doing that:

A deadline for hundreds of thousands of illegal immigrants to voluntarily leave Malaysia or face arrest and punishment expires on Monday.
The government has warned that armed raiding parties will begin rounding up illicit foreign workers and their employers after a three-month amnesty.

Those caught and found guilty of immigration offences risk being fined, whipped and imprisoned.

The move has caused widespread concern among human rights groups.

The BBC's Jonathan Kent in Kuala Lumpur says this promises to be a round-up on a vast scale.

He says estimates have put the number of undocumented foreign workers in Malaysia at up to one and a half million.

Abuse fears

Most of the illegal immigrants have come from neighbouring Indonesia, which has twice persuaded Malaysia to extend the expulsion deadline.

But although Indonesia's resources are still stretched coping with the tsunami devastation in Aceh, Malaysia has signalled that it will wait no longer.

Our correspondent says 500,000 police and civilian volunteers are on standby, waiting to carry out raids and arrest anyone who remains in Malaysia without the correct papers.

He says illegal immigrants are widely blamed for rising crime there, but human rights groups say that the participation of so many civilians in the round-ups, some of them carrying firearms, could easily lead to accidents and abuses.

The Malaysian government, however, says the deportations will be conducted humanely and it has promised to quickly process applications from those who have left before the deadline and want to return.
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Armed civilians participating in the "round up", this ought to go well :roll:. Seriously, half a million armed cops and civilians looking for up to 1.5 million people. If I knew an immigrant I'd try to hide them, not out of support for illegals but just for their safety.
 
I am a right winger and I have no problem with illegal immigrants in general. I like the Bush plan to stop making them illegal. Immigrants are some of the best Americans and generally work VERY hard. They are usually unaware of the welfare system and feel ashamed to use it.
 
[quote name='defender']I am a right winger and I have no problem with illegal immigrants in general. I like the Bush plan to stop making them illegal. Immigrants are some of the best Americans and generally work VERY hard. They are usually unaware of the welfare system and feel ashamed to use it.[/quote]

You have no problem with Bush's plan? It's basically an amnesty. You really want to legalize 10 million illegals here, no possible way to do background checks? Did you realize that it costs the federal government $11 billion to $22 billion a year? Do you realize that 30 percent of the federal prison population is foreign-born? Something needs to be done, and that is not to legalize it.

As for Malaysia, I sympathize with their motives, but the way they seem to be conducting things looks to lend itself to abuses by armed vigilates.
 
[quote name='defender']I am a right winger and I have no problem with illegal immigrants in general. I like the Bush plan to stop making them illegal. Immigrants are some of the best Americans and generally work VERY hard. They are usually unaware of the welfare system and feel ashamed to use it.[/quote]

Wow, I agree with you. Though I didn't mean all right wingers, just some (particularly far right wing) where intense opposition to illegal immigration, and support for an all out effort to remove them, seems to be the norm.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']You have no problem with Bush's plan? It's basically an amnesty. You really want to legalize 10 million illegals here, no possible way to do background checks?[/quote]
They're already here. If they're terrorists or commit other crimes, they're going to do them anyway because, again, they're already here. You want to deny a couple of million people the right to live happy, productive, free, legal lives because some of them may commit crimes that you can't stop anyway.

I'd prefer they stayed home and worked to improve whereever they came from too (mostly Mexico), but they're already decided that they're not going to do that, so we simply have to make the best of them being here because, again, they're already here.
 
Yeah, lets give all the illegals here a free pass so even more millions of illegals will come over!!!!

Great idea!!!11!! :roll:

Illegals should be rounded up and kicked back to mexico where they belong. We should also break all ties with the Mexican government who is actively herding their citizens over here cause they don't want to fix things down there. Instead of Mexico making better lives for their people they just say go to the US.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Yeah, lets give all the illegals here a free pass so even more millions of illegals will come over!!!!

Great idea!!!11!! :roll:

Illegals should be rounded up and kicked back to mexico where they belong. We should also break all ties with the Mexican government who is actively herding their citizens over here cause they don't want to fix things down there. Instead of Mexico making better lives for their people they just say go to the US.[/quote]

Scrubs, say what you will about liberals, but you really should remove your American flag avatar when you make posts like this one.

Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free...
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[quote name='Drocket'][quote name='elprincipe']You have no problem with Bush's plan? It's basically an amnesty. You really want to legalize 10 million illegals here, no possible way to do background checks?[/quote]
They're already here. If they're terrorists or commit other crimes, they're going to do them anyway because, again, they're already here. You want to deny a couple of million people the right to live happy, productive, free, legal lives because some of them may commit crimes that you can't stop anyway.

I'd prefer they stayed home and worked to improve whereever they came from too (mostly Mexico), but they're already decided that they're not going to do that, so we simply have to make the best of them being here because, again, they're already here.[/quote]

Your argument boils down to they should get away with their breaking of the law because they've been successful in breaking it with no consequences thus far. I just completely disagree with that line of reasoning. I'm all for legal immigration at reasonable levels through a controlled process, but the current situation is simply utter chaos and a de jure amnesty is going to just encourage more chaos, just like the last amnesty did.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample'][quote name='elprincipe']Do you realize that 30 percent of the federal prison population is foreign-born? Something needs to be done, and that is not to legalize it.[/quote]

Maybe we should kick out the 70% who are native-born. They seem to be a much bigger part of the problem.[/quote]

Yet another ignorant statement on immigration. Illegals are approximately 10 million out of around 290 million Americans, making them ~3.5 percent of the population. However, they make up 30 percent of the federal prison population (also they make up significantly more than 3.5 percent of the state prison population). The reason there are more illegals in jail is not because they are illegal immigrants, nor is it because immigrants are more likely to commit crimes (they're not). The reason is because a lot of heavily armed criminal groups smuggle immigants, drugs, weapons, etc. across the border into the U.S. That is the major problem here, not a few people crossing the border looking for work.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Illegals should be rounded up and kicked back to mexico where they belong. We should also break all ties with the Mexican government who is actively herding their citizens over here cause they don't want to fix things down there. Instead of Mexico making better lives for their people they just say go to the US.[/quote]

To get facts straight, "only" about 2/3 of illegal aliens in the U.S. are Mexican.
 
[quote name='defender']I am a right winger and I have no problem with illegal immigrants in general. I like the Bush plan to stop making them illegal. Immigrants are some of the best Americans and generally work VERY hard.[/quote]
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Yeah, lets give all the illegals here a free pass so even more millions of illegals will come over!!!!

Great idea!!!11!! :roll:

Illegals should be rounded up and kicked back to mexico where they belong. We should also break all ties with the Mexican government who is actively herding their citizens over here cause they don't want to fix things down there. Instead of Mexico making better lives for their people they just say go to the US.[/quote]

You do realize that it is Bush's policy to legalize the immigrants right? It is nice to see you disagree with at least one policy of his. I do agree with some of his policies, just not as many as I disagree with :)
 
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