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I thought you didn't like him as a person or a wrestler. Guess maybe I was wrong.

So I take it you're okay with me creating this topic? I followed your formula from the aforementioned Christian topic.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I thought you didn't like him as a person or a wrestler. Guess maybe I was wrong.

So I take it you're okay with me creating this topic? I followed your formula from the aforementioned Christian topic.[/quote]

Of course! Although, I still think you should've used that picture of you and Edge as the photo. :razz:
 
man i cant believe people still watch wrestling. after vince mcmahon destroyed any good qualities it had people still get into it. btw wtf is with him being ecw champion? fuckin damn shame and discrace to a once great wrestling brand. i still like the videogames ok ( even though theyre kinda stale now) but i cant watch it on tv anymore.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Of course! Although, I still think you should've used that picture of you and Edge as the photo. :razz:[/QUOTE]

I'll edit in that one and the photo of my signed copy of his book.
 
[quote name='Matt Young']I'll edit in that one and the photo of my signed copy of his book.[/quote]

Yes!!!

So, what was up with Cena making Khali tap last night? John Cena is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the WWE Championship. In no way, shape or form can I even remotely suspend belief enough to accept Cena making Khali tap.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']If we are lucky we'll get three matches announced for the PPV. If that. Especially given that they have two whole weeks to book it and as of right now there is not one single match booked.[/QUOTE]

The local area markets around where ONS is being held are advertising McMahon/Lashley. Imagine them trying to pull that match off in Hammerstein. :lol: As for three matches booked in advance...well, if they book one singles match in addition to the title match, then they're left with roughly 3 unbooked ECW wrestlers.

I'll expect Cena/Orton and also Edge/Batista II, just because creative...just isn't.

ZL, Cena may be bad, but look into the crowd sometime, man. There are kids in those arenas with Cena shirts, hats, wristbands, plastic (or real!) Cena belts, and probably the goddamned Cena underoos too.

Put the WWE in this position:

"Um, sir, we have two types of fans right now."

"Oh, yeah? Tell me about them."

"The first average 25 years old, 260 pounds. They complain about everything, watch our PPVs on webstreams, buy our games used during B2G1 sales at EB, and bootleg dvds. If they ever spend any money with us, it's to buy a new "Cactus Jack" shirt because the old one is too small."

"Fascinating. The other?"

"It's a tag team, really. They average 5 years old and 45 pounds. Their tag team partner is their parents' money. They buy everything: popcorn and sodas at the arena, shirts, belts, more shirts, more belts, action figures, wastepaper baskets - they even bought the WWE-branded christmas wrapping paper over the last holiday season. They worship at the altar of John Cena, and everything he does. Our studies also show that this average fan's mother also enjoys Cena, but for vastly different reasons than the child."

"So what's the bottom line?"

"Well, sir, it is this: would you rather cater to fans who bitch and moan about everything, take good wrestling for granted in favor of their "next high (spot)," and don't spend a dime? Or, would you rather cater to children and their seemingly simplistic concepts of black and white, in the process alienating the first kind of fan (who would be alienated even if you did cater to them); however, catering to the young fan would result in one substantial difference: revenue."

"Hmm. I'll get back to you on that."

It makes sense for them to push Cena; there's nothing we can do to change that. My friend, whom I talk about wrestling with at the bar on weekends (the wife and friends love *that* :lol:), suggested that Cena's inevitable heel turn is going to be HUGE. I'm intrigued by that, and I can't help but think that smart marks are, most importantly (and often forgotten), marks, first and foremost. Since they are the kind of people to celebrate that which is unpopular and express disdain for "mass appeal," (I empathize here, so bear with me), they're going to be major fans of Cena once he tells the fans to go fuck themselves. I am really interested in the idea.

Of course, a Cena heel turn, to be effective, has to occur in the context of him being the dominant, unbeatable champ. If he turns heel after getting handily beaten by the returning Triple H (again, as predictable as the sunrise - the title loss, anyway), then it won't be very meaningful. Cena has millions of kids eating out of the palm of his hands right now, and a heel turn from him would be white fuckin' hot, IMO.

(of course, the previously mentioned marketability of Cena puts a lot of pressue on the WWE to keep him popular and babyface, just to sell more fuckin' sweatbands).
 
What a boring PPV. Even though I was happy with most of the results, everyone just seemed to be going through the motions, at best.

Carlito v Flair - Way too long, with little variation in Carlito's offense (which was the match, basically)
ECW title match - A one minute squash title match? Come on now. I'm glad I don't care about any of these people in the context of this feud.
Punk v Burke - The referee made his presence known far too often in this match. This one also seemed to be a bit long with a lot of dead time, but I guess when you've got two squashes booked on the show you have to make up time somewhere.
Orton v HBK - Stupid. Sure they needed a way to write out HBK, but don't waste a PPV "match" on it.
Hardys v Cade & Murdoch - Probably the 2nd best match on the card, by virtue of it not doing anything wrong. Not taking anything away from these guys, as it was a solid match. I'm actually interested in this feud, so well done on making Cade/Murdoch credible again.
Edge v Batista - I can't get interested in much that Batista does anymore. A bit of an abrupt finish, but really the best way for them to start this feud out.
Benoit v MVP - Match of the night, IMO, but then again it didn't have much competition. I'm awfully surprised MVP took it in straight falls, even though he's definitely deserving of the gold.
Cena v Khali - Well, it could've been worse. It would've made more sense to me to have Cena retain by DQ (either him or Khali getting DQed, doesn't really matter) as that'd be a great build to ONS, since apparently the gimmick for that PPV is that every match will be extreme rules. Of course, ending a PPV on DQ is pretty lame so I can see why they didn't do it.

Overall they definitely played the injury angle way too many times tonight... half of the matches had Wrestler X coming in injured and having to try and overcome it to win. I'm all for a good storyline to make me care about a feud/match, but if you do the same one four times in the same night, it really makes it hard to care about all (or even any) of them.
 
[quote name='3kingdoms']Seriously how many Wrestling threads do we need here?[/quote]

We certainly need more of them than we need dumbass posts like this... :roll:
 
[quote name='mykevermin']The local area markets around where ONS is being held are advertising McMahon/Lashley. Imagine them trying to pull that match off in Hammerstein. :lol: As for three matches booked in advance...well, if they book one singles match in addition to the title match, then they're left with roughly 3 unbooked ECW wrestlers.

I'll expect Cena/Orton and also Edge/Batista II, just because creative...just isn't.[/quote]

Vince headlining ONS would've been fantastic in Hammerstein. I wish Vince would put aside his ego and bring out Heyman for ONS this year. Maybe have Heyman help Lashley win the match, leading to a Heyman/Vince on-air feud. Anyway, leaving fantasy land now...

ZL, Cena may be bad, but look into the crowd sometime, man. There are kids in those arenas with Cena shirts, hats, wristbands, plastic (or real!) Cena belts, and probably the goddamned Cena underoos too.

That was very evident at Mania. The people I noticed cheering for Cena were the kids, dads with young kids and the teenage girls.

Put the WWE in this position:

"Um, sir, we have two types of fans right now."

"Oh, yeah? Tell me about them."

"The first average 25 years old, 260 pounds. They complain about everything, watch our PPVs on webstreams, buy our games used during B2G1 sales at EB, and bootleg dvds. If they ever spend any money with us, it's to buy a new "Cactus Jack" shirt because the old one is too small."

"Fascinating. The other?"

"It's a tag team, really. They average 5 years old and 45 pounds. Their tag team partner is their parents' money. They buy everything: popcorn and sodas at the arena, shirts, belts, more shirts, more belts, action figures, wastepaper baskets - they even bought the WWE-branded christmas wrapping paper over the last holiday season. They worship at the altar of John Cena, and everything he does. Our studies also show that this average fan's mother also enjoys Cena, but for vastly different reasons than the child."

"So what's the bottom line?"

"Well, sir, it is this: would you rather cater to fans who bitch and moan about everything, take good wrestling for granted in favor of their "next high (spot)," and don't spend a dime? Or, would you rather cater to children and their seemingly simplistic concepts of black and white, in the process alienating the first kind of fan (who would be alienated even if you did cater to them); however, catering to the young fan would result in one substantial difference: revenue."

"Hmm. I'll get back to you on that."

I know that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to stop bitching about Cena, dammit! Especially when the guy simply does not lose ever, worse than Hulk Hogan! At least Hogan would take beatdowns and fake injuries to make his swanky movies. Oh and you overshot me by a year and 80-85 pounds :D

It makes sense for them to push Cena; there's nothing we can do to change that. My friend, whom I talk about wrestling with at the bar on weekends (the wife and friends love *that* :lol:), suggested that Cena's inevitable heel turn is going to be HUGE. I'm intrigued by that, and I can't help but think that smart marks are, most importantly (and often forgotten), marks, first and foremost. Since they are the kind of people to celebrate that which is unpopular and express disdain for "mass appeal," (I empathize here, so bear with me), they're going to be major fans of Cena once he tells the fans to go fuck themselves. I am really interested in the idea.

Of course, a Cena heel turn, to be effective, has to occur in the context of him being the dominant, unbeatable champ. If he turns heel after getting handily beaten by the returning Triple H (again, as predictable as the sunrise - the title loss, anyway), then it won't be very meaningful. Cena has millions of kids eating out of the palm of his hands right now, and a heel turn from him would be white fuckin' hot, IMO.

(of course, the previously mentioned marketability of Cena puts a lot of pressue on the WWE to keep him popular and babyface, just to sell more fuckin' sweatbands).

Exactly, which is why I don't see that heel turn coming for awhile yet. There's plenty of milk left in the ol' Cena cow, and Vince is gonna squeeze every last drop until he turns Cena heel.

I still say the problem right now goes back to the lack of star power in the WWE due to a series of bad luck.

Austin retires early (well much earlier than Flair, Hogan, Taker etc)
Foley retires early (see above)
Rock goes Hollywood
Brock goes nuts
Goldberg leaves
Jericho leaves
Eddie dies
Batista's ego problems
Angle goes nuts
Big Show finally becomes useful, so he retires early too
And now the whole list of ridiculous injuries to the current roster

Then at the same time guys like Hogan, Nash, Nash, Savage and so on all got too old. I'd include Bret Hart on that list, but his reasons for not being in WWE differ and are already well documented.

Tis very hard to develop the next acceptable big star in wrestling, without the previous big stars around to put the future star over. I don't fault Rock, as he passed the torch to Brock before he left, but Lesnar's departure really stung as he was supposed to be the man in the WWE for years to come.

Just think what a WM win over Lesnar could've done for Cena's credibility. Instead he got his belt by beating JBL... hmm, not quite as impressive.
 
[quote name='Zenithian Legend']Yes!!!

So, what was up with Cena making Khali tap last night? John Cena is probably the worst thing to ever happen to the WWE Championship. In no way, shape or form can I even remotely suspend belief enough to accept Cena making Khali tap.[/QUOTE]

The only way Cena will lose the belt is to an injury. I don't like to wish injuries upon any wrestler, but Cena could *REALLY* use the time off to make things fresh again for the belt - it's a damn shame people like Undertaker, Mysterio, and HBK get injured that only leave us with people like Cena.

Has Cena even lost the belt yet this year? I mean, it's fucking ridiculous.

But Myke is right, the Torch said the crowd was going crazy for Cena, and I have no idea why, because he is not even close to being one of the greats of the industry, imo, and this is all coming from a Cena fan. I used to be a huge fan, but these days I'm starting to think John Cena getting popular is the WORST thing to EVER happen to WWE.

He is the most generic personality that somehow blew up - he is the type of person SMH would have cut long ago with his gimmick, but somehow, he's extremely over.
 
Shawn Michaels is expected to have surgery soon on his knee, which has been bothering him for about a year now. You can say what you want about Michaels, but he has gutted out working on the injury for a while now. He was considering getting surgery last year at this time, then the DX storyline came up. Then there was talk he was considering it a few months ago and then Triple H got hurt so he worked the program with John Cena. You can make the point that it's easier to gut it out when you are in the top program but the fact of the matter is that a lot of people wouldn't have done it. The word going around at the PPV is they will know a lot more about the state of the knee once they get in there and do the surgery
 
I like Edge because he's Canadian.

By the way, funny picture. Are you high in it? Just asking. :D
 
According to WWE.com, Cena won the title from Edge on 9/17/06, so it's been just over 8 months. That's long by today's standards, but nothing obscene, really.

Perhaps an 8 month Cena reign just *seems* to last forever. :lol:

[quote name='Demolition Man']*insert comment here*[/QUOTE]

"I'm not worthy to hold this."
 
[quote name='mykevermin']"I'm not worthy to hold this."[/QUOTE]

"I beat Shark Boy and THIS is what they gave me. Damn it... it doesn't spin either."
 
[quote name='mykevermin']According to WWE.com, Cena won the title from Edge on 9/17/06, so it's been just over 8 months. That's long by today's standards, but nothing obscene, really.

Perhaps an 8 month Cena reign just *seems* to last forever. :lol:
[/QUOTE]

But Edge only had it for, what, a month? Two months? And the entire feud was STILL Cena and Edge so Cena never left the title picture, whether he had the belt or not.

Maybe it's the rematch clause that makes this so boring, but whenever someone new wins the belt, we get another month long feud where the old champion is trying to get the belt back - and if they don't, another month.

Maybe the new champion should get a period of "immunity" from the old champion, so as to always have some fresh blood in the title picture? I don't know, like I said before, the only way Cena will stop being the champion or stop being in the title scene will be an injury, and the man seems injury resistant.

Maybe he should fight Mark Henry.

I'm going to predict that Cena will either have the belt or be in the title scene for the rest of 2007 and well into 2008, with the same tired, generic personality.

Cena making Khali tap out effectively ruined Khali's entire push as this unbeatable monster, imo.

But it's not just RAW, the title scene is stale on all the shows, imo, even Smackdown (Batista isn't really a draw for me, at all).

If they insist on keeping this ridiculous brand split, maybe it's time for a new draft to switch things up on these shows.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']According to WWE.com, Cena won the title from Edge on 9/17/06, so it's been just over 8 months. That's long by today's standards, but nothing obscene, really.

Perhaps an 8 month Cena reign just *seems* to last forever. :lol:
[/QUOTE]

Here's why it feels like it never ends.

April 3, 2005 - January 8, 2006
January 29, 2006 - June 11, 2006
September 17, 2006 - Current

Since April 3rd 2005, John Cena has held the title for a grand total of 660 days (119 he wasn't champion)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Here's why it feels like it never ends.

April 3, 2005 - January 8, 2006
January 29, 2006 - June 11, 2006
September 17, 2006 - Current

Since April 3rd 2005, John Cena hasn't held the belt for a grand total of 119 days.[/quote]

Hmm, how cool would it be if everyone at a show brought signs that said "We've Cena Nuff"

What gets me is WWE finally finds a guy they can put against Cena, and Cena gets cheered, so what do they do? Ax the feud before it can really get anywhere.

Having Lashley be a face with all the intensity of an 8 year old girl was a big mistake. Lashley as a heel on Vince' side against Cena would've made a lot more sense. Could still happen, but as usual since Lashley vs Cena makes too much sense, it probably won't happen. Just like Batista vs Cena has yet to take place outside of OVW.
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Here's why it feels like it never ends.

April 3, 2005 - January 8, 2006
January 29, 2006 - June 11, 2006
September 17, 2006 - Current

Since April 3rd 2005, John Cena has held the title for a grand total of 660 days (119 he wasn't champion)[/QUOTE]

Cena's walked out of three consecutive Wrestlemania's as the champ.

That's just sad.
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Cena's walked out of three consecutive Wrestlemania's as the champ.

That's just sad.[/quote]

I still want to know why Taker/Batista wasn't the main event or at least later in the card at WM23.
 
Because no matter how good Smackdown is, the WWE will always try and shit on it. And that wasn't as bad as Angle/Orton/Mysterio getting absolutely no time for their WM match.
 
WWE had a bonifide up and coming superstar hitting his own until he got injured...Mr. Kennedy. That guy, if he can get healthy is the next big thing. Imagine seeing him in some feuds with Edge or Cena...all three of those guys can do something many wrestlers can't do...mic skills. That's the reason the Hardys have yet to go to Hogan/Rock/ Austin status...they can't talk on the mic. It's the same thing that has held Benoit back all these years. Book it...if Ken Kennedy can get his arm back in order...he will be the next "Rock". Get ready for the catch phrases!
 
As talented as Matt & Jeff are in the ring their promos definitely leave much to be desired. I wonder why they haven't, ya know, worked on that aspect in order to finally move up the card.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']Say what you will, but Jeff watching paint dry was one of the funniest bits of last year.[/quote]

What'd he say... "Hey man, that's my painting!" :lol:

Something along those lines. I do kind of wonder why the Hardyz aren't both on SD where they could get a good push. Plus Matt & Jeff vs Londrick would be entertaining.

Also confusing is Matt as a Raw tag champion, but still a single's competitor on Friday nights.
 
I like Cena...sue me. I don't like him as much as I did back when he 1st came back after being beaten down by Lesner. Back then as heel everyone said Cena was going to be huge. Well now he is and I agree everyone will sing his praises again once he turns heel down the line. Do I agree he needs to do a little chasing the title? Yes. And I'm sure we'll be ready for him to get the belt back once Triple H gets back and hold it for 365 days before he even acts like he's going to job for anyone. I love Triple H's passion and love for the business and I recpect his ability, but he, like anyone else would, books himself a little heavy. I'll be glad when he hangs up the boots and can book without himself in mind.
 
Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Cena as a face, it's just that lately he's come off as really generic, he seems to be phoning it in when he cuts promo's, and instead of trying to push new talent, they keep having Cena crush everyone time and time again.

Vince complains that he's running low on talent due to injuries, but gee, could it also be he hasn't bothered to build up any new talent on RAW whatsoever by having Cena crush everyone? Looks like pushing one guy came back to bite him in the ass.

Cena and Michaels destroyed every tag team. Cena broke Umaga's win streak. Cena made Khali look like a bitch. Cena constantly beat Edge time and time again. Cena beat Michaels time and time again. Cena beat Orton.

Everyone that has gone against Cena, for the most part, has lost.

They built up this Cena / Khali feud pretty well, then they finish it in an 8 minute match where Khali taps?

I just want to see a Cena, heel or face, that is either not having the belt or not chasing it. Since 2005, he's either had the belt, or when he loses the belt, he just keeps trying to get it back - for the last two years he's been in the title picture every. single. week.

I hope for Vince's sake, Cena never gets injured, or WWE is really going to be fucked big time. Cena is the definition of "putting all your eggs in one basket".
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Don't get me wrong, I don't hate Cena as a face, it's just that lately he's come off as really generic, he seems to be phoning it in when he cuts promo's, and instead of trying to push new talent, they keep having Cena crush everyone time and time again.[/quote]

This is true.. Edge was a good foil for him, but he's gone now. I honestly don't know who can challenge him other than Randy Orton and :puke: Snitsky

[quote name='Roufuss']Vince complains that he's running low on talent due to injuries, but gee, could it also be he hasn't bothered to build up any new talent on RAW whatsoever by having Cena crush everyone? Looks like pushing one guy came back to bite him in the ass.[/Quote]

Yeah Vince always says he knows how to make stars, but just look at Raw and Smackdown now. Why he's cutting loose RVD I don't know, as he has fan support, credibility and can be inserted at the top card rather easily.. get Jericho on the phone while your at it. :) Jericho was great against Cena. Actually Jericho is just great.

[quote name='Roufuss']Cena and Michaels destroyed every tag team. Cena broke Umaga's win streak. Cena made Khali look like a bitch. Cena constantly beat Edge time and time again. Cena beat Michaels time and time again. Cena beat Orton.[/Quote]

True. I say turn Benoit heel bring him to Raw, Turn Flair Heel let him be the moth piece of a new horsemen type group with Flair playing JJ Dillon. Have Benoit just out tech Cena time and time again. As Cena gets close have the New horse start the interference. This could last a few months.

[quote name='Roufuss']Everyone that has gone against Cena, for the most part, has lost.

They built up this Cena / Khali feud pretty well, then they finish it in an 8 minute match where Khali taps?[/Quote]

The build up was nice. And the match was kept short to hide the limitations of both performers. However where does it go from here? It was good build up on a throw away match.

[quote name='Roufuss']I just want to see a Cena, heel or face, that is either not having the belt or not chasing it. Since 2005, he's either had the belt, or when he loses the belt, he just keeps trying to get it back - for the last two years he's been in the title picture every. single. week.[/quote]

Yeah it'd be nice to have the belt off of him and then have him get distracted. Hell lets get Ron Killings and have a "True Rapper" thug up on Cena and keep him occupied for a few months at least. Not to mention Killings has skills.

[quote name='Roufuss']I hope for Vince's sake, Cena never gets injured, or WWE is really going to be fucked big time. Cena is the definition of "putting all your eggs in one basket".[/QUOTE]

I don't think WWE can *ANY* injury right now much less a major like Cena.
 
I think what bothers me the most about Cena, aside from how forced his whole push is, is that he lacks that "it" factor IMO.

Rock, Austin, Hogan, Savage, Hart, Nash, Hall, Angle, Taker, HBK, HHH, even Warrior all had that "it" factor, that innate charisma that either you have or you don't.

I can't believe Cena/Khali only went 8 minutes, that's brutal. I know that has more to due with Khali's conditioning than anything, but I still fail to see why that match didn't end in a DQ of some sort. It's not as though WWE has never ended a ppv with a DQ title match before. Hell it's happened at WM! Of course that was Sid's doing, not the bookers.
 
Yep. It was pretty plain as day, and the referee was perfectly positioned to not see it. Of course, when you've got a guy as big as Khali, it's pretty easy to find a rope, purposefully or not. :lol:
 
[quote name='rvdrock']So...now what, we get another rematch where Cena F-U's Khali?[/QUOTE]

The odds need to be cranked up some more.

How about a EXTREME Punjabi Prison match at ONS? ;)
 
[quote name='Sporadic']The odds need to be cranked up some more.

How about a EXTREME Punjabi Prison match at ONS? ;)[/QUOTE]

Make it "electric" and we got a match. ;)
 
I guess they'll do a Cena-Khali rematch for ONS, but they should have either done a non-finish for last night's match, because right now, the only reason to see Khali-Cena again would be for an FU, and I don't think that concept is doing to be seen as a big enough deal to help the show's buyrate - they've already had Cena FU bigger men, and on free TV no less.
 
[quote name='Demolition Man']Make it "electric" and we got a match. ;)[/QUOTE]

Why stop there? Let's put some dogs on the inside and turn it into a EXTREME ELECTRIFIED Punjabi Kennel Prison match FROM HELL
 
[quote name='Mike23']I like Edge because he's Canadian.

By the way, funny picture. Are you high in it? Just asking. :D[/QUOTE]

Nah, it was a combination of laughing and blinking from the flash.

As for the Cena debate, I found out about him when he was the prototype in UPW and I became a fan. I supported him when he debuted in WWE, and I practically jumped through the rafters at Staples Center when I witnessed him win his first WWE Championship.

After that, they fucked up his whole schtick. Well, actually, it was after they moved him to Raw. Somehow, his feud with Kurt Angle was terrible. Cena began to wrestle the same generic, formulaic matches and lost almost everything that was unique about him.

Throw in the fact that he plows through everyone Hulk Hogan style despite not being nearly as big or as charismatic as Hogan was/is, along with the fact that he now, more often than not, uses that shitty STFU to finish matches, and he's just not much fun to watch anymore (unless he's wrestling Edge or HBK).
 
[quote name='Sporadic']Why stop there? Let's put some dogs on the inside and turn it into a EXTREME ELECTRIFIED Punjabi Kennel Prison match FROM HELL[/QUOTE]

Why stop there? Let's put the flames around the ring and make it an.....

EXTREME ELECTRIFIED INFERNO PUNJABI KENNEL PRISON MATCH FROM THE DEPTHS OF HELL!
 
Since when is every match at ONS conducted under Extreme Rules? This is the first I've heard of this from WWE.

And LMAO at the prospect of Vince vs. The Blue Meanie.
 
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