The Wii helps Sony

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Sure it hurts them more, but the Wii is helping Sony too. Right now next gen games tend to be developed for 360 and PS3, and Wii games are separate. It looks like a lot of developers are releasing their Wii games for the PS2 too since they're close in power. So the last gen Wii being a current console means more games for the PS2, helping Sony.

If the PS2 wins again this holiday it will only add to this trend, further extending the PS2's lifespan.
 
I don't agree with exactly what you're saying, but I do believe Wii only owners are left hungry for more and are going after the 360/PS3.
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']I don't agree with exactly what you're saying, but I do believe Wii only owners are left hungry for more and are going after the 360/PS3.[/QUOTE]
Have you been seeing that with your friends or something? I thought most Wii owners got it for the controller and are satisfied with it. Are they actually buying 360s and PS3s?
 
I tend to think that it's actually Sony hurting the Wii because games that would probably have only come out for the PS2 (which is relevant because it has an obnoxiously large userbase and has consistently outsold the 360 and PS3 regardless of the Wiis existence) are being sometimes terribly ported to the Wii, giving it more crappy games.

And the PS2 is no longer winning anything, that boat has sailed. If the Wii is outselling it in the middle of summer, unless it can't maintain stock, it will win the holidays as well.
 
[quote name='botticus']I tend to think that it's actually Sony hurting the Wii because games that would probably have only come out for the PS2 are being sometimes terribly ported to the Wii, giving it more crappy games.

And the PS2 is no longer winning anything, that boat has sailed. If the Wii is outselling it in the middle of summer, unless it can't maintain stock, it will win the holidays as well.[/QUOTE]
I guess that's another way to look at it. I just assumed more games are being made originally for the Wii since it's newer than the PS2.

edit: I don't know if Nintendo will maintain enough stock. And even if the PS2 beats everything except the Wii I think that could have the same effect.
 
i dont agree with you, but i do think that the ps2 will have a long life span. i think that games will continue to be developed for it and consoles will continue to sell for another couple of years at least. but i think that the wii/ps2 games that are out, and are coming out, are a small number of the games on the horizon for the ps2. and lets face it, the most appealing games for the ps2 are exclusives.
 
[quote name='rickonker']I guess that's another way to look at it. I just assumed more games are being made originally for the Wii since it's newer than the PS2.[/quote]If they were actually being made for the Wii, they likely wouldn't be very playable on the PS2. Motion sensing and all that.
 
I think it's actually opposite of what you are saying. I think the Wii is just getting PS2 ports, not the other way around. I think it's a cheap way to cash in on a system that is selling like hotcakes; just port games that were/are in development for the PS2. It's a quick way for a publisher to make a buck but most of those games are just sloppy ports with Wii controls thrown in.
 
So what you guys are saying is the PS2 is hurting the Wii? If the PS2 continues to sell well and the Wii keeps getting bad PS2 ports I guess it still benefits Sony.

edit: And why is Nintendo allowing these bad ports? I thought they were the most strict with 3rd party publishers. Maybe they're just happy to have more 3rd party games on their system.
 
[quote name='rickonker']So what you guys are saying is the PS2 is hurting the Wii? If the PS2 continues to sell well and the Wii keeps getting bad PS2 ports I guess it still benefits Sony.

edit: And why is Nintendo allowing these bad ports? I thought they were the most strict with 3rd party publishers. Maybe they're just happy to have more 3rd party games on their system.[/QUOTE]
It's only hurting the Wii if people actually buy them. Then it shows the devolpers that shoddy, old ports are okay because they bring in the dollaz. Which means more crap.

And Nintendo is probably letting them publish these, because they need all the 3rd party support/games they can get.
 
[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']This is a silly, silly idea though.[/QUOTE]
I forgot about that. That's 3 consoles a developer can port the same version of a game to without major changes to the engine.
 
Now that there is real competition (i.e. the last few generations), they can't be nearly as strict as they were back in the days of the NES (and even then there were some stinkers *cough* Wolverine *cough*)... if they only had 2 games a month, people would very quickly go elsewhere.

Often times lots of crap can appear more valuable than a small amount of goodness.
 
[quote name='zewone']No, games are made for the PS2 and ported to the Wii.[/quote]
Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam was the first.

There hasn't been enough Wii-only games to say that it doesn't happen the other way around.
 
[quote name='FriskyTanuki']Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam was the first.

There hasn't been enough Wii-only games to say that it doesn't happen the other way around.[/QUOTE]
I didn't even know Downhill Jam was on the PS2. I remember that had special Wii controls.

That's the kind of thing I had in mind. Even though the Wii and the PS2 have different controls, if a developer is porting a Wii game to the PS2 all they really have to change substantially is the controls. Other than that it's like all those multiplatform games last gen.
 
[quote name='zewone']No, games are made for the PS2 and ported to the Wii.[/QUOTE]

Based on that fact, wouldn't it be fairer to assume that the mega-popularity of the PS2 is ultimately helping the Wii?
 
[quote name='-Never4ever-']Based on that fact, wouldn't it be fairer to assume that the mega-popularity of the PS2 is ultimately helping the Wii?[/QUOTE]
No, why would you assume that?
 
[quote name='rickonker']Sure it hurts them more, but the Wii is helping Sony too. Right now next gen games tend to be developed for 360 and PS3, and Wii games are separate. It looks like a lot of developers are releasing their Wii games for the PS2 too since they're close in power. So the last gen Wii being a current console means more games for the PS2, helping Sony.

If the PS2 wins again this holiday it will only add to this trend, further extending the PS2's lifespan.[/QUOTE]



I agree with you. The Wii helps everyone, because now since "graphics and next gen isn't such a big deal" there's no rush to improve the systems of today, and thus the PS2 can live as long as the Wii lives. As a matter of fact, I'd repackage the PS2, and make it as sleek as ever [which Sony is doing.. by making the ps2 platinum edition and there's a rumored redesign of the ps2 to make it even lighter]

The Wii takes pressure off of Sony and MS, because now they don't have to rush to go past the ps3 and 360 generation. I just want to know... where does Nintendo go after the Wii... will it be another system geared towards the non hardcore gamer with Minimal graphics... or will it be a giant leap forward with great technological advancements - meaning something better (graphically) than whats presently on the market?
 
Well, the Wii convinces people that graphics aren't necesary, while the 360 and PS3 are pushing hard to convince people that HD is where it at. I don't think it's helping them in that respect. I think everything will change though, once the prices of HDTVs and the consoles go down. People will own a Wii and either a 360 or a PS3. I can't see an average gamer only owning a wii.
 
[quote name='Thomas96']I agree with you. The Wii helps everyone, because now since "graphics and next gen isn't such a big deal" there's no rush to improve the systems of today, and thus the PS2 can live as long as the Wii lives. As a matter of fact, I'd repackage the PS2, and make it as sleek as ever [which Sony is doing.. by making the ps2 platinum edition and there's a rumored redesign of the ps2 to make it even lighter]

The Wii takes pressure off of Sony and MS, because now they don't have to rush to go past the ps3 and 360 generation. I just want to know... where does Nintendo go after the Wii... will it be another system geared towards the non hardcore gamer with Minimal graphics... or will it be a giant leap forward with great technological advancements - meaning something better (graphically) than whats presently on the market?[/QUOTE]
What's the PS2 platinum edition? Do you mean the silver or is it something new about to be released?
 
[quote name='rickonker']a lot of developers are releasing their Wii games for the PS2 too since they're close in power.[/QUOTE]

WTF?
 
[quote name='CouRageouS']I don't agree with exactly what you're saying, but I do believe Wii only owners are left hungry for more and are going after the 360/PS3.[/quote]
Isn't that like saying the sky is blue?

I've always assumed the Wii was going to be a secondary console rather than our main for us "real hardc0r3 gamerz" and in that respect, it's doing a great job. I get my Nintendo exclusives, and other, more interesting 3rd party titles (I'm looking at you Zack and Wiki) but for everything else the 360/PS3 is where it's at.
 
Wii is just fine for an only console, if you have a PS2 and DS. You arent trying hard enough if you think you've exhausted the PS2 library.
 
I think it helps both parties and it could hurt the Wii too.

I think it helps the Wii because developers can also leverage the PS2 platform. They are close enough in power that many games can be ported to the PS2.

It helps the PS2 because obviously it's going to get more new software for longer.

It could hurt the Wii if developers develop for PS2 first. I don't think that happen in the long run. I think they'll make it for the Wii and then port it to PS2 because Wii titles will do better if they develop specifically for it.
 
[quote name='rickonker']What's the PS2 platinum edition? Do you mean the silver or is it something new about to be released?[/QUOTE]

There won't be a new version it's just shaving some weight and parts. It won't come in a different form factor. They are probably gearing up to sell it for $99 by Christmas.

I think the Wii is getting PS2 ports...but the PS2 is still doing well because of the cost. It's a heck of a lot lower than the 360 or the PS3 and there is a fucking big ass game library for the system. The game library is also very cheap compared to the next-gen stuff. There are a lot of greatest hits games.

I think the PS2 will still go strong for awhile but I think Nintendo is trying to grab the same thunder obtaining a huge library at a cheap cost to consumers. It's not that people don't want a 360 or a PS3 but not everyone jumps in at launch or even 2 years in. You see a sales spike with almost every price drop that the PS2 has had and it will continue to do that until its end. I think Nintendo wants to pick up the would have been PS2 games when the system does finally fade away. Time will tell.
 
[quote name='yukine']Isn't that like saying the sky is blue?

I've always assumed the Wii was going to be a secondary console rather than our main for us "real hardc0r3 gamerz" and in that respect, it's doing a great job. I get my Nintendo exclusives, and other, more interesting 3rd party titles (I'm looking at you Zack and Wiki) but for everything else the 360/PS3 is where it's at.[/quote]It's funny how different people's taste can change the way they view things. For me, the Wii is my primary gaming machine, the one for which I look forward to games the most.

The 360's a great machine, but I do a lot more impusle buying for that system and don't really find myself totally hyped on anything. Truth be told, in recent days (pre-Strikers) I played it more than the Wii, but up through Christmas? It's gonna be the megaton Wii & DS titles with the 360 & PSP getting some love here and there (Halo 3, Castlevania, etc.).

And yet, somehow, in the midst of two slightly different opinions, no one is wrong! Amazing! ;)

[quote name='Dr Mario Kart']Wii is just fine for an only console, if you have a PS2 and DS. You arent trying hard enough if you think you've exhausted the PS2 library.[/quote] If RPGs aren't your thing, it doesn't take long to eat through the PS2-exclusives.
 
[quote name='rickonker']What's the PS2 platinum edition? Do you mean the silver or is it something new about to be released?[/QUOTE]


that's the name of the silver package.
 
In japan this week, PS2 has the number one selling game. [I forgot what game it is] Just like in March 07 when God of War II came out.. it was the highest selling game for the week [or month] The Wii didn't help any of that out. The point is, people go where the games go. The Wii kinda doesn't help sony, as it gets people to realize that their ps2 isn't out of style, [which is good] however, the bad part of that situation is that its keeping sony ps2 owners from transitioning from ps2 to ps3. That and the HIGH ASS PRICE of admission to the PS3 world of High Definition.


Rant - Sony should drop the price of the PS3 to 399.99, and focus their efforts on making sure that PS3 consumers, buy blu ray and games. The fact is Sony has the most to lose and the most to gain by winning the format war and game war. As a matter of fact they can win and don't even have to outsell the Wii. Make the price of admission low, and then you make your money off all the other products in the theme park, movies, games, accessories. Movies is big because the more blu ray moveis that sell, the quicker retailers will give it more shelf space. People want PS3 but they can't afford it... you can't win anything by making unafforable products!
 
This is an interesting idea. There are a lot of games hitting the Playstation Portable and Wii too. In a way it kind of gives publishers THREE platforms to target. Like it may turn into that they do a PSP/PS2/Wii version, and a PC/360/PS3 version of a lot of games. Kind of lets them do two main versions to hit 6 platforms.

[quote name='botticus']Now that there is real competition (i.e. the last few generations), they can't be nearly as strict as they were back in the days of the NES (and even then there were some stinkers *cough* Wolverine *cough*)... if they only had 2 games a month, people would very quickly go elsewhere.
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I think Nintendo's so-called quality control back then was a joke. Tons of NES games were absolute garbage, just like today.

[quote name='Morrigan Lover']WTF?[/QUOTE]

Huh? What's strange about that? The Dreamcast, Playstation 2, Gamecube, Playstation Portable, Wii, and X-Box are all within the same generation in terms of power. Now granted, there's a big jump between a Dreamcast and an X-Box, but still.
 
[quote name='daroga']It's funny how different people's taste can change the way they view things. For me, the Wii is my primary gaming machine, the one for which I look forward to games the most.

The 360's a great machine, but I do a lot more impusle buying for that system and don't really find myself totally hyped on anything. Truth be told, in recent days (pre-Strikers) I played it more than the Wii, but up through Christmas? It's gonna be the megaton Wii & DS titles with the 360 & PSP getting some love here and there (Halo 3, Castlevania, etc.).

And yet, somehow, in the midst of two slightly different opinions, no one is wrong! Amazing! ;)[/Quote]

NO! You're wrong! fucking Nintendo fanboy bitch. :lol:
 
[quote name='yukine']NO! You're wrong! fucking Nintendo fanboy bitch. :lol:[/quote]Listen, let's take this outside. ;)
 
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