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You want to get things free, cheap... it's the hippee mentality...

Everyone who comes here is a lefty to some degree, me, you, etc.
 
c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!!
 
Young people do lean left, but look at the demographics. 29 and under spupport kerry, and 60+ support kerry. Baby boomers are the ones supporting bush.
 
I think the main reason I, and many others, started coming here was we got tired of buying $50, $40, $30 games and then finding out they were $30, $20 and $10 somewhere else.

Games in the last two years became commodoties. You can count on every game outside of the major franchises; Halo, GTA, GT, MGS, Zelda, Mario being $29.99 or $19.99 within 3-5 months. It's ridiculous.

I spent probably $1,000 last Christmas on games and then within 6 weeks of buying XIII, Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia, Top Spin, Links 2004 had all dropped to $19.99-$29.99. Given the fact that I bought about 20 games and couldn't play them all I probably wasted $200-400 if I just wait and bought many of them at the end of February.

I'm buying Tron 2.0 and Halo 2 and everything else I'm not getting until March. My backlog of games right now is probably 30-40. I figure I'm going to save myself $500-700 by doing that.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']I think the main reason I, and many others, started coming here was we got tired of buying $50, $40, $30 games and then finding out they were $30, $20 and $10 somewhere else.

Games in the last two years became commodoties. You can count on every game outside of the major franchises; Halo, GTA, GT, MGS, Zelda, Mario being $29.99 or $19.99 within 3-5 months. It's ridiculous.

I spent probably $1,000 last Christmas on games and then within 6 weeks of buying XIII, Beyond Good and Evil, Prince of Persia, Top Spin, Links 2004 had all dropped to $19.99-$29.99. Given the fact that I bought about 20 games and couldn't play them all I probably wasted $200-400 if I just wait and bought many of them at the end of February.

I'm buying Tron 2.0 and Halo 2 and everything else I'm not getting until March. My backlog of games right now is probably 30-40. I figure I'm going to save myself $500-700 by doing that.[/quote]

That's exactly why I started coming to this board. I always waited for games to come down to the $20 range. I have very rarely paid more than that for a game. I think the only game I paid around $50 for was Super Mario Brothers 3, for my eventual ex-wife. I now see games for $20 and think, if I wait I think can get it cheaper :D This site has made me even more of a cheapass, yet I think I am spending more money since now I am buying more games :D My backlog of games keeps growing.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

Wait, I have 3 out of 4. (missing the car payment, but since I am driving an 89 Nissan Sentra with 106,000 miles on it, that might be added in soon)
I would consider myself more center-left. I think the government needs to be more fiscally responsible, something Bush has proven he is not. I'm afraid that Bush is going to continue to spend money like a he's got a no credit limit credit card and my daughter is going to be paying the price for it when she gets older.
 
I think YOU need to be more fiscally responsible. If you really feel this way then take the Bush tax cut you got (and you got one too) and give it back to the government. Or better yet...take that money and put it into a Roth Education Fund for her. Bush believes (as most republicans do) that the money should be in the peoples hand.

I always get bothered when people complain about the deficit...let me ask you something...WHO DO WE OWE THIS MONEY TO? It's all just some number on paper that we owe this government that or blah blah. Truthfully...if it comes to it...we ain't gotta pay for SHIT. Who is gonna tell us to pay up or else? Tommy the loanshark? lol...

While our debt is real and the government does spend...don't you ever forget...that governements PRINT MONEY. They can manipulate many factors. Personally I don't believe in the deficit...it's like some Giant fish in the lake everyone talks about seeing and trying to catch. Sure you know some big fish are in there but you are never gonna catch that GIANT one.

The deficit is just some financial number rigged up to keep a balance of what we fiscally owe someone else...realistically it's not what we will actually pay.

Have you ever been to the gold depository in downtown Manhattan? There is more world gold there than anywhere else in the world...even more than Fort Knox. Basically when one country loans or pays money...they just relabel a block of gold. It's rather funny that much of the worlds wealth is still backed by gold but it's the system. No one would ever cut off America from buying...no one. When you owe your credit card too much money and don't make a payment they cut you off...when America doesn't pay a bill they renegotiate. The entire worlds economy is finely balanced and hangs mostly on the US. The world economy is symbiotic with ours. This is why Europe and much of the world hates us.

Man...I been waiting to say these things all year but didn't want to hear all the bullcrap reponses about how stupid I was for supporting Bush. I have actually had members say they would never buy anything from my site simply because of my political views. But guess what...I am in the majority here and if you don't like that then you aren't a real democrat.
 
The deficit is not the tooth fairy, it has very real consequences. Does inflation mean anything to you?

True Republicans are fiscally responsible, and are for small and accountable government. What happened?
 
I'm surprised more people here don't lean right.
This board is the essence of capitalism--look for and take advantage of the best deals, buying the product at the best available price, thus spurring competition, etc.

If they were *truly* 'hippies' they'd be wanting them free. But then they probably wouldn't even take the games, because then they'd be buying into The Man's propaganda, and feeding money to the evil Establishment.

I'm surprised by the number of people who take those self-determination tests, come out moderate/conservative, then still say 'I still hate Bush' or 'i"m still voting for Kerry'.

Go to self-gov.org and take the World's Smallest Political Quiz. Really *think* about the questions, and keep in the mind the focus: should *the federal government* do this things?
 
Go to self-gov.org and take the World's Smallest Political Quiz. Really *think* about the questions, and keep in the mind the focus: should *the federal government* do this things?
Click to expand...
ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS,

The political description that
fits you best is...

LIBERAL


Didn't need a test to tell me that.
 
[quote name='defender']I think YOU need to be more fiscally responsible. If you really feel this way then take the Bush tax cut you got (and you got one too) and give it back to the government. Or better yet...take that money and put it into a Roth Education Fund for her. Bush believes (as most republicans do) that the money should be in the peoples hand.

I always get bothered when people complain about the deficit...let me ask you something...WHO DO WE OWE THIS MONEY TO? It's all just some number on paper that we owe this government that or blah blah. Truthfully...if it comes to it...we ain't gotta pay for SHIT. Who is gonna tell us to pay up or else? Tommy the loanshark? lol...

While our debt is real and the government does spend...don't you ever forget...that governements PRINT MONEY. They can manipulate many factors. Personally I don't believe in the deficit...it's like some Giant fish in the lake everyone talks about seeing and trying to catch. Sure you know some big fish are in there but you are never gonna catch that GIANT one.

The deficit is just some financial number rigged up to keep a balance of what we fiscally owe someone else...realistically it's not what we will actually pay.

Have you ever been to the gold depository in downtown Manhattan? There is more world gold there than anywhere else in the world...even more than Fort Knox. Basically when one country loans or pays money...they just relabel a block of gold. It's rather funny that much of the worlds wealth is still backed by gold but it's the system. No one would ever cut off America from buying...no one. When you owe your credit card too much money and don't make a payment they cut you off...when America doesn't pay a bill they renegotiate. The entire worlds economy is finely balanced and hangs mostly on the US. The world economy is symbiotic with ours. This is why Europe and much of the world hates us.

Man...I been waiting to say these things all year but didn't want to hear all the bullcrap reponses about how stupid I was for supporting Bush. I have actually had members say they would never buy anything from my site simply because of my political views. But guess what...I am in the majority here and if you don't like that then you aren't a real democrat.[/quote]

When you borrow money does it just come from nowhere? No, it comes from the bank. When the government runs a defict, the money has to come from somewhere, so where does it come from? One source is from bonds. Another is we borrow from other countries. We owe China BILLIONS of dollars. Think they would object if we decided not to pay them back? Here is a link to a pie chart of who the govt owes money to:
http://www.brillig.com/debt_clock/faq.html
I wouldn't let your political views decide whether or not I would buy from your site, prices would, because I am cheap :D

By the way, the Bush Tax cut put pennies in my pocket, as compared to the $90,000 that Cheney got. If you want to stimulate the economy, you put the money in the hands of the people who are going to SPEND it, not the ones who are going to save it. If you want to stimulate the ecomony NOW, you don't write tax cuts that don't take effect for years down the road. Just common sense.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']
By the way, the Bush Tax cut put pennies in my pocket, as compared to the $90,000 that Cheney got. If you want to stimulate the economy, you put the money in the hands of the people who are going to SPEND it, not the ones who are going to save it. If you want to stimulate the ecomony NOW, you don't write tax cuts that don't take effect for years down the road. Just common sense.[/quote]

I daresay Cheney paid a lot more in taxes than you or I did. So it makes sense that after a tax cut, he would save more. The Kerrys paid more than I did, but their effective rate was only ~12%.

Didn't Bush do exactly that, "put the money in the hands of the people who are going to SPEND it'? I recall recieving a check for 594$ [we owed 6 bucks from the previous year] and spending it.
And even if it gets saved, where does it get saved? Under a mattress somewhere? No, it gets invested in savings bonds, stocks, even in a savings account. That stock purchase helps the company grow and make more/better products, thus allowing them to give raises to their employees; that 90k in the savings account means the bank can now give another small business or home improvement loan to Joe Public so he can invest in his home, himself, his ideas.
And tax cuts should include both immediate and long term solutions, otherwise you're just delaying the problem.

And I agree, "True Republicans are fiscally responsible, and are for small and accountable government' GWB, in his first term, was trying to eradicate a terrorist threat, eliminate a dictator, *and* unite [by allowing high ranking liberal Democrats to help write his bills, and not vetoing a single thing]. Now that he only has four more years, he can *truly* get conservative, and I hope he does. Cut Spending like Crazy Eddie cuts prices.
 
[quote name='dtcarson'][quote name='ZarathosNY']
By the way, the Bush Tax cut put pennies in my pocket, as compared to the $90,000 that Cheney got. If you want to stimulate the economy, you put the money in the hands of the people who are going to SPEND it, not the ones who are going to save it. If you want to stimulate the ecomony NOW, you don't write tax cuts that don't take effect for years down the road. Just common sense.[/quote]

I daresay Cheney paid a lot more in taxes than you or I did. So it makes sense that after a tax cut, he would save more. The Kerrys paid more than I did, but their effective rate was only ~12%.

Didn't Bush do exactly that, "put the money in the hands of the people who are going to SPEND it'? I recall recieving a check for 594$ [we owed 6 bucks from the previous year] and spending it.
And even if it gets saved, where does it get saved? Under a mattress somewhere? No, it gets invested in savings bonds, stocks, even in a savings account. That stock purchase helps the company grow and make more/better products, thus allowing them to give raises to their employees; that 90k in the savings account means the bank can now give another small business or home improvement loan to Joe Public so he can invest in his home, himself, his ideas.
And tax cuts should include both immediate and long term solutions, otherwise you're just delaying the problem.

And I agree, "True Republicans are fiscally responsible, and are for small and accountable government' GWB, in his first term, was trying to eradicate a terrorist threat, eliminate a dictator, *and* unite [by allowing high ranking liberal Democrats to help write his bills, and not vetoing a single thing]. Now that he only has four more years, he can *truly* get conservative, and I hope he does. Cut Spending like Crazy Eddie cuts prices.[/quote]

Yeah, that 600 check was just an advance on your refund. Not an additional one. I saw no change in what I got back. Our economy is consumer driven. Stock prices will not help the economy get better. People spending money does. That why if his tax cuts went to the middle and lower class instead of the top 1%, the economy would have received a shot in the arm. It doesn't matter if a company can offer better products if no one has the money to buy them. That's why you give the money to the middle class. They go out and spend the money, put it in the companies pockets, then they can develop better and new products.
 
[quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

I've got a wife, car payments, a mortgage.

I still don't want to see this country go to hell in a religious right handbasket.

I voted for Kerry
 
90% of the increase in debt since 2001 has been financed by other countries. The debt is not some "magical" concept - our government spends that money (e.g. on equipment for the war) and the money gets paid to the companies creating that equipment. Thus, it has to come from somewhere, like other countries. So we are more dependent on foreign countries than ever.

The Bush administration is like a teenager with Dad's credit card. Spend spend spend with no thought for how to pay for it. How can you increase spending AND cut taxes? That's what I hate about them. If they really were to act republican and cut all the programs that democrats love, THEN they could cut taxes and I'd be fine with it. Fiscal responsibility is right out the window with them. :(
 
The US borrowed billions from China.

China has the largest army in the world AND a sizeable cache of nuclear wreapons.

Do you still think the US should rip China off for many bilions of dollars?
 
From Newsweek:

In Bush's four years, the annual increase in discretionary domestic spending has been 5.6 percent—more than twice the annual average during Clinton's eight years (2.2 percent) and not much below Lyndon Johnson's Great Society spree (6.6 percent).

And in their book "The Right Nation," a study of conservatism's current condition, John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge report: "In the five years running up to 2002, state legislatures controlled by Republicans increased spending an average of 6.54 percent a year compared with 6.17 percent for legislatures run by Democrats." Come January, Republicans will have serious intraparty strife about spending.
 
[quote name='ZarathosNY']
Yeah, that 600 check was just an advance on your refund. Not an additional one. I saw no change in what I got back. Our economy is consumer driven. Stock prices will not help the economy get better. People spending money does. That why if his tax cuts went to the middle and lower class instead of the top 1%, the economy would have received a shot in the arm. It doesn't matter if a company can offer better products if no one has the money to buy them. That's why you give the money to the middle class. They go out and spend the money, put it in the companies pockets, then they can develop better and new products.[/quote]

That check was an advance, yes. But virtually everyone who paid federal taxes, saved money under the tax cuts.
Spending money does revitalize the economy. Especially in the short run. Companies growing, hiring, selling products, providing services, helps in the long run. Both are necessary, both were served under the cuts. Not all of 'the Rich''s tax cuts went into the stock market. Again, if it was saved via a banking system, that puts the money out there for others to us. And, realistically, who spends money? The people with money. Who's going to buy a 1.5 million $ house and get that money out there? Not me, the 'Rich'. Who's going to spend 15k on a dedicated home theatre room? Not me, the Rich. [Which is why I would like to see the FairTax.]

"the total federal tax burden has decreased for all income groups"
"It is also true, however, that the share of total federal taxes paid by the least affluent Americans -- those in the bottom 40% of earners -- has also decreased a bit. Kerry doesn't mention that, even though many of those persons also consider themselves "middle class.""
"And the overall system remains progressive, with upper-income groups paying significantly both higher rates and a higher share of the overall burden than lower-income groups."
"But the fact is, all income groups are paying a lowered tax burden this year under the Bush cuts, the "middle class" included."

http://www.factcheck.org/article280.html

If you pay federal taxes, and you didn't save *anything* under the tax cuts, I'd revisit my tax return or plan for next fiscal year. And as always, based on people's personal tax and economic situation, there's always an exception.
 
[quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

I've got a wife, car payments, a mortgage.

I still don't want to see this country go to hell in a religious right handbasket.

I voted for Kerry[/quote]

You're right. The government should pay for all you need.
 
[quote name='gamefreak'][quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

I've got a wife, car payments, a mortgage.

I still don't want to see this country go to hell in a religious right handbasket.

I voted for Kerry[/quote]

You're right. The government should pay for all you need.[/quote]

Um...When did I say that?
 
[quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='gamefreak'][quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

I've got a wife, car payments, a mortgage.

I still don't want to see this country go to hell in a religious right handbasket.

I voted for Kerry[/quote]

You're right. The government should pay for all you need.[/quote]

Um...When did I say that?[/quote]

You have to remember that since he is an asshole, he isn't bounded by the normal need to have reason included in his argument. I'm not saying this in any sort of political sense, I am just saying that plain and simple he is an asshole.
 
[quote name='Tromack'][quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='gamefreak'][quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

I've got a wife, car payments, a mortgage.

I still don't want to see this country go to hell in a religious right handbasket.

I voted for Kerry[/quote]

You're right. The government should pay for all you need.[/quote]

Um...When did I say that?[/quote]

You have to remember that since he is an asshole, he isn't bounded by the normal need to have reason included in his argument. I'm not saying this in any sort of political sense, I am just saying that plain and simple he is an asshole.[/quote]

Thanks for the explanation.

And thanks again. That is the most I've laughed today (somehow things have seemed more tragic than funny)
 
[quote name='bmulligan']Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

*Looks*, ahhhh, all of the states that were surveyed to be the most intelligent voted Kerry. All of the midwestern/southern religious fanatics voted Bush. It just proves that the lower outnumber the higher (which is true in most things), but is especially sad and true when it comes to intelligence. This particular race above all others proved that.

I don't recall any people saying "Anybody but Clinton" or "Anybody but Reagan". And this race wasn't "decisive" at all, it was split even. So Bush barely pulled it off, that doesn't prove that "The Country" felt one way or the other. It means that he barely won.
 
[quote name='Backlash']From Newsweek:

In Bush's four years, the annual increase in discretionary domestic spending has been 5.6 percent—more than twice the annual average during Clinton's eight years (2.2 percent) and not much below Lyndon Johnson's Great Society spree (6.6 percent).

And in their book "The Right Nation," a study of conservatism's current condition, John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge report: "In the five years running up to 2002, state legislatures controlled by Republicans increased spending an average of 6.54 percent a year compared with 6.17 percent for legislatures run by Democrats." Come January, Republicans will have serious intraparty strife about spending.[/quote]

No comments about this from the right?
 
[quote name='Backlash']From Newsweek:

In Bush's four years, the annual increase in discretionary domestic spending has been 5.6 percent—more than twice the annual average during Clinton's eight years (2.2 percent) and not much below Lyndon Johnson's Great Society spree (6.6 percent).

And in their book "The Right Nation," a study of conservatism's current condition, John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge report: "In the five years running up to 2002, state legislatures controlled by Republicans increased spending an average of 6.54 percent a year compared with 6.17 percent for legislatures run by Democrats." Come January, Republicans will have serious intraparty strife about spending.[/quote]

There's already serious strife within the Republican Party on budgetary issues. I take it you weren't following the budget clashes on Capitol Hill this year? Republicans basically said fuck you to Bush's budget on arrival.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']I'm surprised more people here don't lean right.
This board is the essence of capitalism--look for and take advantage of the best deals, buying the product at the best available price, thus spurring competition, etc.

If they were *truly* 'hippies' they'd be wanting them free. But then they probably wouldn't even take the games, because then they'd be buying into The Man's propaganda, and feeding money to the evil Establishment.

I'm surprised by the number of people who take those self-determination tests, come out moderate/conservative, then still say 'I still hate Bush' or 'i"m still voting for Kerry'.

Go to self-gov.org and take the World's Smallest Political Quiz. Really *think* about the questions, and keep in the mind the focus: should *the federal government* do this things?[/quote]

Thank you, this forum is definitely capitalism at its finest, consumers as well as companies competing. Why do you think all the game prices have fallen while developement costs have risen. Competition (three game platforms) and expanded markets, this is the nature of capitalism and the reason you are getting great games for great prices.

[quote name='Backlash'][quote name='Backlash']From Newsweek:

In Bush's four years, the annual increase in discretionary domestic spending has been 5.6 percent—more than twice the annual average during Clinton's eight years (2.2 percent) and not much below Lyndon Johnson's Great Society spree (6.6 percent).

And in their book "The Right Nation," a study of conservatism's current condition, John Micklethwait and Adrian Wooldridge report: "In the five years running up to 2002, state legislatures controlled by Republicans increased spending an average of 6.54 percent a year compared with 6.17 percent for legislatures run by Democrats." Come January, Republicans will have serious intraparty strife about spending.[/quote]

No comments about this from the right?[/quote]

I guess I would be considered the right, I voted for Bush, but would consider myself a libertarian actually. Bush's fiscal irresponsibility almost cost him my vote, I realize there is little difference between the two major parties in the reality of their spending. A perfect example is the Bush's pandering to the seniors with his prescription drug program. I hope the next 4 years see a return of the Republican party to their true ideology fiscally as society returns to normal post-9/11 The problem is I know Kerry does not stand for fiscal responsibility in social programs, as in his health care plans. It is the lesser of two evils for me. I also believe that much of the Repulican spending can be attributed to the war, which in some ways stimulates certain sectors of the economy, although not to the extent that it used to.
 
[quote name='gamefreak'][quote name='FeldBum'][quote name='bmulligan']c'mon, man, that's complete bullshit. EVERYBODY is a cheapass!

It just so happens that a majority of regular posters on this board DO NOT HAVE:

a wife,
a child,
a car paymnet,
a mortgage.

That's the REAL reason that most lean left. We're more prone to liberal common good causes when we're younger and more apt to keep and protect what we have when we're older. Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

I've got a wife, car payments, a mortgage.

I still don't want to see this country go to hell in a religious right handbasket.

I voted for Kerry[/quote]

You're right. The government should pay for all you need.[/quote]

Hilarious sig dude, esp since John Kerry only denounced the war after he fought in it, whereas GDubs and Cheney dodged the draft (Cheney 7 times, the entitled are soooo cool rock on!)

Drunk Drivers for Bush and Cheney!!!
 
[quote name='Quackzilla']The US borrowed billions from China.

China has the largest army in the world AND a sizeable cache of nuclear wreapons.

Do you still think the US should rip China off for many bilions of dollars?[/quote]

Good point if there were proof to back it up.
 
[quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='bmulligan']Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

*Looks*, ahhhh, all of the states that were surveyed to be the most intelligent voted Kerry. All of the midwestern/southern religious fanatics voted Bush. It just proves that the lower outnumber the higher (which is true in most things), but is especially sad and true when it comes to intelligence. This particular race above all others proved that.

I don't recall any people saying "Anybody but Clinton" or "Anybody but Reagan". And this race wasn't "decisive" at all, it was split even. So Bush barely pulled it off, that doesn't prove that "The Country" felt one way or the other. It means that he barely won.[/quote]

You know what, you're absolutely right, us midwestern/sothern people are much less intelligent than you. Therefore we should not vote. Of course!!! Less inteligence negates our right as a United States citizen to vote. Thanks for reminding us. And, duh you northerners aren't thugs or mugging SOB either. Oh and by the way we do outnumber you, thats why we won. Its called majority rules. Maybe you have heard of it?

Yes Bush won. That makes Kerry, your party and you losers.

You lost.
You lost.
You lost.
You are a loser.
You are a loser.
You are a loser.

GET OVER IT
 
[quote name='sying'][quote name='Quackzilla']The US borrowed billions from China.

China has the largest army in the world AND a sizeable cache of nuclear wreapons.

Do you still think the US should rip China off for many bilions of dollars?[/quote]

Good point if there were proof to back it up.[/quote]
Are you saying that its false? China owns huge amounts of U.S. debt. When you buy a savings bond, you are buying part of the national debt, part of the national debt is now owed to you. Debt can be bought and sold. When you get a mortgage, the bank you get it from sometimes sells that debt to someone else instead of waiting the 30 years. You now owe the person that bought the debt and not the original bank.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._public_debt

China does in fact have the largest army in the world. And they've had nukes since the 60s. So which of his points are false?

[quote name='sying']Yes Bush won. That makes Kerry, your party and you losers.

You lost.
You lost.
You lost.
You are a loser.
You are a loser.
You are a loser.

GET OVER IT[/quote]
Very mature of you. I see you like your hero Bush are a Uniter, and not a Divider. Let me know when you grow some pubic hair, and then you can come discuss politics with us at the adult table.
 
[quote name='sying'][quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='bmulligan']Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

*Looks*, ahhhh, all of the states that were surveyed to be the most intelligent voted Kerry. All of the midwestern/southern religious fanatics voted Bush. It just proves that the lower outnumber the higher (which is true in most things), but is especially sad and true when it comes to intelligence. This particular race above all others proved that.

I don't recall any people saying "Anybody but Clinton" or "Anybody but Reagan". And this race wasn't "decisive" at all, it was split even. So Bush barely pulled it off, that doesn't prove that "The Country" felt one way or the other. It means that he barely won.[/quote]

You know what, you're absolutely right, us midwestern/sothern people are much less intelligent than you. Therefore we should not vote. Of course!!! Less inteligence negates our right as a United States citizen to vote. Thanks for reminding us. And, duh you northerners aren't thugs or mugging SOB either. Oh and by the way we do outnumber you, thats why we won. Its called majority rules. Maybe you have heard of it?

Yes Bush won. That makes Kerry, your party and you losers.

You lost.
You lost.
You lost.
You are a loser.
You are a loser.
You are a loser.

GET OVER IT[/quote]

Jesus. Go choke on a corndog already.
 
[quote name='sying'][quote name='evilmax17'][quote name='bmulligan']Jesus, just look at the Red and Blue State map for cryin' out loud!![/quote]

*Looks*, ahhhh, all of the states that were surveyed to be the most intelligent voted Kerry. All of the midwestern/southern religious fanatics voted Bush. It just proves that the lower outnumber the higher (which is true in most things), but is especially sad and true when it comes to intelligence. This particular race above all others proved that.

I don't recall any people saying "Anybody but Clinton" or "Anybody but Reagan". And this race wasn't "decisive" at all, it was split even. So Bush barely pulled it off, that doesn't prove that "The Country" felt one way or the other. It means that he barely won.[/quote]

You know what, you're absolutely right, us midwestern/sothern people are much less intelligent than you. Therefore we should not vote. Of course!!! Less inteligence negates our right as a United States citizen to vote. Thanks for reminding us. And, duh you northerners aren't thugs or mugging SOB either. Oh and by the way we do outnumber you, thats why we won. Its called majority rules. Maybe you have heard of it?
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ACTUALLY... In the United States of America (our country) we have in place a system called the Electoral College. Majority does NOT rule. The popular vote for president does not pick the winner. See 2000 for more information.

And population estimates for coastal, traditionally "blue" states outweigh central and southern "red" states by about 165 million to 113 miillion by conservative estimates, using census data from 2003.

But, um, nice try.
 
[quote name='msdmoney'] The problem is I know Kerry does not stand for fiscal responsibility in social programs, as in his health care plans. It is the lesser of two evils for me. I also believe that much of the Repulican spending can be attributed to the war, which in some ways stimulates certain sectors of the economy, although not to the extent that it used to.[/quote]

Bush's Health Care plans would actually cost more than Kerry's, according to the Congressional Budget Office. Not that either of their plans would have been fully realized anyway.

Also, the first figure I quoted was discretionary DOMESTIC spending. I'm sure the terror thing increased it some, but you can't count the war.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']
I'm surprised by the number of people who take those self-determination tests, come out moderate/conservative, then still say 'I still hate Bush' or 'i"m still voting for Kerry'.
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I have not taken one of those, but I would probably be considered moderate/conservative on issues dealing with federal spending, as you talk about. (I am liberal on abortion and gay rights).

But why are you surprised that I hate Bush? I feel like he's flushing our country down the toilet. He has not been conservative on spending at all! And foreign relations are terrible right now. Etc etc etc. I did not vote against republicans - I voted against Bush's administration, and there IS a difference (though most of the country doesn't distinguish anymore in our polarized nation, sadly).
 
[quote name='Backlash']

I have not taken one of those, but I would probably be considered moderate/conservative on issues dealing with federal spending, as you talk about. (I am liberal on abortion and gay rights).
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A fellow libertarian.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']I'm surprised more people here don't lean right.
This board is the essence of capitalism--look for and take advantage of the best deals, buying the product at the best available price, thus spurring competition, etc.

If they were *truly* 'hippies' they'd be wanting them free. But then they probably wouldn't even take the games, because then they'd be buying into The Man's propaganda, and feeding money to the evil Establishment.

I'm surprised by the number of people who take those self-determination tests, come out moderate/conservative, then still say 'I still hate Bush' or 'i"m still voting for Kerry'.

Go to self-gov.org and take the World's Smallest Political Quiz. Really *think* about the questions, and keep in the mind the focus: should *the federal government* do this things?[/quote]

Actually you're all quite foolish..this is a site about sharing the wealth or deals specifically...that's more of a liberal thing...maybe if this was cheapassGreedyGamer where no posted how to do deals it would be more to right wing...
 
Ah, yes, the finite pie argument.
I don't mind if other people save money/make money/get good deals. I want them as well. Unlike many on the left, I don't have to be the only winner, I don't mind if other people succeed or gain or profit along with me.
I sure do see a lot of 'I bought these 5.00 CC games, buy them from me for 10' posts here, which is definitely not sharing the wealth, its profiting.
And sharing deals is totally different from sharing wealth. I don't mind sharing deals [if I find any, I rarely do], but I do mind sharing my wealth [that is, the assets I already have]. Anyone else going to be giving away the games they bought at great deals? That would be sharing the wealth. Or are they selling them, 5.00 games for 10-12? That's capitalism.
 
[quote name='dtcarson']Ah, yes, the finite pie argument.
I don't mind if other people save money/make money/get good deals. I want them as well. Unlike many on the left, I don't have to be the only winner, I don't mind if other people succeed or gain or profit along with me.
I sure do see a lot of 'I bought these 5.00 CC games, buy them from me for 10' posts here, which is definitely not sharing the wealth, its profiting.
And sharing deals is totally different from sharing wealth. I don't mind sharing deals [if I find any, I rarely do], but I do mind sharing my wealth [that is, the assets I already have]. Anyone else going to be giving away the games they bought at great deals? That would be sharing the wealth. Or are they selling them, 5.00 games for 10-12? That's capitalism.[/quote]
No that's a greedy thing to do, most I see say pay me what's it worth plus shipping...not making a profit..that's sharing the wealth...I'm sure that's hard for you to understand...
 
[quote name='dtcarson']I'm surprised more people here don't lean right.
This board is the essence of capitalism--look for and take advantage of the best deals, buying the product at the best available price, thus spurring competition, etc. [/quote]
Are you confusing liberalism with communism?

[quote name='dtcarson']I'm surprised by the number of people who take those self-determination tests, come out moderate/conservative, then still say 'I still hate Bush' or 'i"m still voting for Kerry'.

Go to self-gov.org and take the World's Smallest Political Quiz. Really *think* about the questions, and keep in the mind the focus: should *the federal government* do this things?[/quote]

Bush does not equal the Republican Party, nor moderate/conservative political leanings.
Bush = Bush.
If you disagree with his policies, with how is running the country (into the ground), with his administration, then you vote that way, no matter what a quiz tells you.

Jeez. It is a simplistic quiz. It should not superceed intelligent analysis of the issues and the candidates.

P.S. "ACCORDING TO YOUR ANSWERS, The political description that fits you best is...LIBERAL"
 
[quote name='pfunkpearl'][quote name='dtcarson']Ah, yes, the finite pie argument.
I don't mind if other people save money/make money/get good deals. I want them as well. Unlike many on the left, I don't have to be the only winner, I don't mind if other people succeed or gain or profit along with me.
I sure do see a lot of 'I bought these 5.00 CC games, buy them from me for 10' posts here, which is definitely not sharing the wealth, its profiting.
And sharing deals is totally different from sharing wealth. I don't mind sharing deals [if I find any, I rarely do], but I do mind sharing my wealth [that is, the assets I already have]. Anyone else going to be giving away the games they bought at great deals? That would be sharing the wealth. Or are they selling them, 5.00 games for 10-12? That's capitalism.[/quote]
No that's a greedy thing to do, most I see say pay me what's it worth plus shipping...not making a profit..that's sharing the wealth...I'm sure that's hard for you to understand...[/quote]

Pay me what it's worth--to me [the buyer]. If not, I won't buy it. That's capitalism. And exactly what I saw just now, in the Nocturne for sale thread. At which point the capitalist adjusts his prices or his costs, or sells it elsewhere. The seller in that thread didn't *give* it away, or sell it for 20 bucks, he said he's probably going to send it back for a full refund. How many people sell brand new games at a loss, voluntarily?

No, I wasn't confusing liberalism with communism, I was referring to the 'share the wealth' comment which to me does sound more like [theoretical] communism/socialism.

I fully agree Bush does not represent all of conservatism/Republican, just like Kerry doesnt' represent all of liberalism/Democrat.
And I do analyze the issues, and in general while a test labels me one thing, I don't vote solely based on that.
 
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