This makes no sense: Israel razes teen bomber's home

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Israel just destroyed the home of the 16 year old suicide bomber. His mother was furious at those who convinced him to become a suicide bomber, and denounced her sons actions. Yet now she not only lost her son, she is also homeless. I don't support destroying the homes of the family of suicide bombers to begin with, but this has to be one of the worst cases of this. They offered no support for her sons actions, and the mother publicly denounced them. They had nothing to do with any of it, yet they are still punished, still made homeless. Someone explain to me how this action does anything but make the situation worse.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3974557.stm

Israel just destroyed the home of the 16 year old suicide bomber. His mother was furious at those who convinced him to become a suicide bomber, and denounced her sons actions. Yet now she not only lost her son, she is also homeless. I don't support destroying the homes of the family of suicide bombers to begin with, but this has to be one of the worst cases of this. They offered no support for her sons actions, and the mother publicly denounced them. They had nothing to do with any of it, yet they are still punished, still made homeless. Someone explain to me how this action does anything but make the situation worse.[/quote]

Not a new practice for Israel, they've done this for sometime and IMO it doesn't serve as a deterent at all and is only a crappy form of revenge really. However you're assumptions may be correct but you certainly aren't getting it from the article. The article didn't mention anything about support for his actions, only that his mother found it immoral to recuit somebody so young. There's no mentions of her denouncing her son's actions at all and no mention that sending suicide bombers to kill was wrong, but only that she thought her son was too yong to understand his actions.
 
If you're family is dead broke and someones paying them $10,000 or what have you after you comit such a "noble action" you have another incentive to do it. If they turn around and bulldoze your families house that incentive is taken away and (hopefully) people are detered from commiting such actions.
 
[quote name='gamefreak']If you're family is dead broke and someones paying them $10,000 or what have you after you comit such a "noble action" you have another incentive to do it. If they turn around and bulldoze your families house that incentive is taken away and (hopefully) people are detered from commiting such actions.[/quote]

You have no clue. These people are fanatics. They are thinking of their paradise reward filled with 47 virgins, not a lump sum payout.
 
[quote name='camoor']You have no clue. These people are fanatics. They are thinking of their paradise reward filled with 47 virgins, not a lump sum payout.[/quote]

That's 72 virgins, thank you very much.

Then again, after like the third one I hear they really start to lose their charm. Uh...no pun intended. I think.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']Someone explain to me how this action does anything but make the situation worse.[/quote]

The situation there has long since passed the point where anything is done because its logical or useful. The Palestinians do something in revent for Israel's actions, the Israelites do something in revenge back, the Palestinians blow up another bomb to get revenge for THAT, the Israelites bulldoze some houses and shoot a few more people in revenge for THAT, the Palestinians blow up another car bomb, the israelites...

Both sides have long since given up any claim they may have ever had to have been on the side of right. Both sides are simply killing people at random in a never-ending cycle of revenge. The only good thing you can say about this case is that at least the mother wasn't IN the house when it was knocked down - that's happened more than a few times before...
 
Dennis Miller was hysterical when he mentioned the lack of logic in wanting 72 virgins. "Sure the first 4 or 5 are great, it makes you feel like a man and everything is fresh and new but at some point you're going to want a pro. Eventually you're going to want a good blow job and a finger jammed up your ass."

I think it is entirely impossible for any of us to understand logic in the Palestian camp. I watched the Eurotrash documentary made for HBO a month or two ago trying to make the "cause" look sympathetic and noble compared to the Israeli occupation but it wasn't. There was no hope, there was no plan, there was no desire to live out your days with a family or having your kids have a better life than you.

Let's compare and contrast the American equivilent (Not that anything in this country is truly equivilent.) and say our most hopeless people are blacks in the inner cities that are gang banging. Anyone see "Back to Little Rock" on HBO's America Undercover? There were people that wanted a different way, there were people trying to help the kids out of gang life. There is no such sentiment in Palestine. There was a love for family or brothers and a belief that those doing this didn't want it for their kids.

In Palestine, they all want their kids to come of age and become martyrs. Hell of a method of population control.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']In Palestine, they all want their kids to come of age and become martyrs. Hell of a method of population control.[/quote]

What an asshole, the MAJORITY of civilians in Palestine want nothing to do with the war and pray for peace every day.

But you are a racist asshat so in your mind all Muslims are evil.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='alonzomourning23']http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3974557.stm

Israel just destroyed the home of the 16 year old suicide bomber. His mother was furious at those who convinced him to become a suicide bomber, and denounced her sons actions. Yet now she not only lost her son, she is also homeless. I don't support destroying the homes of the family of suicide bombers to begin with, but this has to be one of the worst cases of this. They offered no support for her sons actions, and the mother publicly denounced them. They had nothing to do with any of it, yet they are still punished, still made homeless. Someone explain to me how this action does anything but make the situation worse.[/quote]

Not a new practice for Israel, they've done this for sometime and IMO it doesn't serve as a deterent at all and is only a crappy form of revenge really. However you're assumptions may be correct but you certainly aren't getting it from the article. The article didn't mention anything about support for his actions, only that his mother found it immoral to recuit somebody so young. There's no mentions of her denouncing her son's actions at all and no mention that sending suicide bombers to kill was wrong, but only that she thought her son was too yong to understand his actions.[/quote]

I know they always do this, and in hindsight some of my comments were taken from other sources. Though to be fair, in this article she denounced her sons actions. Other articles I read, when it first occured, had a more direct denouncement. Though, even in this article she condemned those who led him into it. I can't see how you could possibly blame her. It was like she was punished twice.
 
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
I think it is entirely impossible for any of us to understand logic in the Palestian camp. I watched the Eurotrash documentary made for HBO a month or two ago trying to make the "cause" look sympathetic and noble compared to the Israeli occupation but it wasn't. There was no hope, there was no plan, there was no desire to live out your days with a family or having your kids have a better life than you.[/quote]

Neither side is acting rationally - the Israeli's are building a huge wall and grabbing Palestine land in the process. Every time a suicide bomber hits Israel, a few indiscriminate missles are sent right back (often killing innocents). This is NOT good vs evil.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
Let's compare and contrast the American equivilent (Not that anything in this country is truly equivilent.) and say our most hopeless people are blacks in the inner cities that are gang banging. Anyone see "Back to Little Rock" on HBO's America Undercover? There were people that wanted a different way, there were people trying to help the kids out of gang life. There is no such sentiment in Palestine. There was a love for family or brothers and a belief that those doing this didn't want it for their kids.[/quote]

Wow, do you get all your news from HBO? Just so you know, not all Italian-Americans are mobsters. The Arabs have been nomads for centuries, and their concept of property (IE wander around, settle down, and move when the land no longer supports you) is different from our western view of property ownership. So if you want to draw a comparison to a local situation, it's more like the young USA and Native Americans.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
In Palestine, they all want their kids to come of age and become martyrs. Hell of a method of population control.[/quote]

Is this supposed to be funny? It sounds alot like Hitler's final solution, with Arabs substituted for Jews.
A majority of the people don't support the radicals, but are afraid to speak out. It's hard to be critical when a majority of Americans are so afraid of terrorism that they're willing to go over and "bomb some arabs" just for the purpose of feeling better (under the pretense of finding WMDs, removing dictators, etc, etc)
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']
Though to be fair, in this article she denounced her sons actions.
[/quote]

After reading it again all I have to ask is...where? Even after googling the situation for more reports I couldn't find a direct denouncement and more to the point I saw a few reports that the mother even went back and said her son should be praised as a hero.
 
[quote name='camoor'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
I think it is entirely impossible for any of us to understand logic in the Palestian camp. I watched the Eurotrash documentary made for HBO a month or two ago trying to make the "cause" look sympathetic and noble compared to the Israeli occupation but it wasn't. There was no hope, there was no plan, there was no desire to live out your days with a family or having your kids have a better life than you.[/quote]

Neither side is acting rationally - the Israeli's are building a huge wall and grabbing Palestine land in the process. Every time a suicide bomber hits Israel, a few indiscriminate missles are sent right back (often killing innocents). This is NOT good vs evil.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
Let's compare and contrast the American equivilent (Not that anything in this country is truly equivilent.) and say our most hopeless people are blacks in the inner cities that are gang banging. Anyone see "Back to Little Rock" on HBO's America Undercover? There were people that wanted a different way, there were people trying to help the kids out of gang life. There is no such sentiment in Palestine. There was a love for family or brothers and a belief that those doing this didn't want it for their kids.[/quote]

Wow, do you get all your news from HBO? Just so you know, not all Italian-Americans are mobsters. The Arabs have been nomads for centuries, and their concept of property (IE wander around, settle down, and move when the land no longer supports you) is different from our western view of property ownership. So if you want to draw a comparison to a local situation, it's more like the young USA and Native Americans.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
In Palestine, they all want their kids to come of age and become martyrs. Hell of a method of population control.[/quote]

Is this supposed to be funny? It sounds alot like Hitler's final solution, with Arabs substituted for Jews.
A majority of the people don't support the radicals, but are afraid to speak out. It's hard to be critical when a majority of Americans are so afraid of terrorism that they're willing to go over and "bomb some arabs" just for the purpose of feeling better (under the pretense of finding WMDs, removing dictators, etc, etc)[/quote]

So just because their culture is different we can excuse the killing of innocents?
 
[quote name='Quackzilla'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']In Palestine, they all want their kids to come of age and become martyrs. Hell of a method of population control.[/quote]

What an asshole, the MAJORITY of civilians in Palestine want nothing to do with the war and pray for peace every day.

But you are a racist asshat so in your mind all Muslims are evil.[/quote]

I hate to get into these but the truth is that many Palestinians want peace but many would rather just become martyrs since it is the "noble" thing to do. I have seen many reports of how the PLA (Palestinian Authority) actually encourages it through commercials on t.v. and schools for jsut this. I wish I still had the link to the vid, but I think it was on MSN not too long ago. I do not agree with the poster's comment on population control.
 
[quote name='gamefreak'][quote name='camoor'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
I think it is entirely impossible for any of us to understand logic in the Palestian camp. I watched the Eurotrash documentary made for HBO a month or two ago trying to make the "cause" look sympathetic and noble compared to the Israeli occupation but it wasn't. There was no hope, there was no plan, there was no desire to live out your days with a family or having your kids have a better life than you.[/quote]

Neither side is acting rationally - the Israeli's are building a huge wall and grabbing Palestine land in the process. Every time a suicide bomber hits Israel, a few indiscriminate missles are sent right back (often killing innocents). This is NOT good vs evil.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
Let's compare and contrast the American equivilent (Not that anything in this country is truly equivilent.) and say our most hopeless people are blacks in the inner cities that are gang banging. Anyone see "Back to Little Rock" on HBO's America Undercover? There were people that wanted a different way, there were people trying to help the kids out of gang life. There is no such sentiment in Palestine. There was a love for family or brothers and a belief that those doing this didn't want it for their kids.[/quote]

Wow, do you get all your news from HBO? Just so you know, not all Italian-Americans are mobsters. The Arabs have been nomads for centuries, and their concept of property (IE wander around, settle down, and move when the land no longer supports you) is different from our western view of property ownership. So if you want to draw a comparison to a local situation, it's more like the young USA and Native Americans.

[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
In Palestine, they all want their kids to come of age and become martyrs. Hell of a method of population control.[/quote]

Is this supposed to be funny? It sounds alot like Hitler's final solution, with Arabs substituted for Jews.
A majority of the people don't support the radicals, but are afraid to speak out. It's hard to be critical when a majority of Americans are so afraid of terrorism that they're willing to go over and "bomb some arabs" just for the purpose of feeling better (under the pretense of finding WMDs, removing dictators, etc, etc)[/quote]

So just because their culture is different we can excuse the killing of innocents?[/quote]

Are you agreeing with me? I think you are talking about 9/11

Afganistan was justified. The world had our back.

I'm talking about the Iraq war.

Osama and Sadaam. Two different men (Don't worry, it's hard to keep straight)
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='alonzomourning23']
Though to be fair, in this article she denounced her sons actions.
[/quote]

After reading it again all I have to ask is...where? Even after googling the situation for more reports I couldn't find a direct denouncement and more to the point I saw a few reports that the mother even went back and said her son should be praised as a hero.[/quote]

Yes I've read it a few times and must ask, where does she denounce it?
 
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