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Unbelievable..the minority Dem leader Tom Daschle just lost his seat in the senate in South Dakota....

HOLY CRAP. This is so symtomatic of the Dems real problems. I think the Dems are in serious trouble as a party now. They have all these radical liberals that just push voters away. Places like moveon.org just hurt them more than anything.

WOW....I am floored over this news. The DEMS are finished for years now...all the channels are basically saying that Bush has this.
 
They're back where they were 4 years ago, except now it happened just as they got back up. That's even more demoralizing. The problem is this country isn't balanced, the far right doesn't scare away voters, and in fact attracts voters, and bush can go around talking about how he is conservative and that helps him. The far left scares away voters and bush was able to resort to effective name calling, he called kerry the most despicable of all terms and it worked, a liberal.
 
The Democratic party has been spineless, lethargic, and inept for years. I've been more pissed off at the party for not knowing how to play the political games that Republicans are good at, than the Republicans themselves. In a way, it probably had to take a devastating, crushing defeat like this to shake things up. Karl Rove's tactics disgust me, but we never do shit about it.

I am truly afraid of what will happen to this country in the next 4 years. Chief Justice Rehnquist is almost on his deathbed, they're already talking about which neo-con they want to appoint, and making Clarence Thomas chief justice. They're only "activist judges" when they're not their judges (see first paragraph). The ultra conservative Republicans are going to be bolder in what they try to get passed. Bush's foreign policy makes me want to puke. They've made and will make cuts to programs that have and will affect me personally. My family's financial situation has gone from steadily improving under Clinton to the worst its ever been today.

I might have to join the military to pay for college. Someone I went to school with did that, he's dead. One of my friends will be deployed to Iraq in the coming months, one of his friends from basic is already dead. I don't want to fight in this war, but I'm almost out of options. Who among you would fight in this war? Would you send your children to Iraq? The merits of the war are debatable, but I find the eagerness of this administration to go to be sickening.

I'm worse off today than I was 4 years ago and I have a feeling I won't be much better 4 years from now. If the Democrats get their shit together fast, they can go into damage control mode and try to be obstructionist until the next election.
 
I am even more afraid of what would happen if Kerry (was/is?) elected. I think that under him America would see a major decline in power, apeasing people instead of facing issues head on.
 
I am even more afraid of what would happen if Kerry (was/is?) elected. I think that under him America would see a major decline in power, apeasing people instead of facing issues head on.
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What do you draw that conclusion from? He doesn't have a track record like that. Now, if you mean he'll try and negotiate instead of using the military willy nilly, then you're probably right. In a time of war, I want a President who has actually served, and seen the horrors of war.

Is there something wrong with trying to work peacefully with other countries when possible? Or would you like to invade every country that disagrees with us?
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I might have to join the military to pay for college. Someone I went to school with did that, he's dead. One of my friends will be deployed to Iraq in the coming months, one of his friends from basic is already dead. I don't want to fight in this war, but I'm almost out of options. Who among you would fight in this war? Would you send your children to Iraq? The merits of the war are debatable, but I find the eagerness of this administration to go to be sickening.

I'm worse off today than I was 4 years ago and I have a feeling I won't be much better 4 years from now. If the Democrats get their shit together fast, they can go into damage control mode and try to be obstructionist until the next election.[/quote]

The dead friend of a friend could easily have died in a college night of drinking. We lost 17,419 people to drunk driving in 2002....and for what? A good party? We lost 1000 in a year in Iraq...seems sort of low and reasonable to me. People die...it happens. Freedom has a price and it always has.

As for the Dems being obstructionists...yeah great. Nothing better than a party who's only power is to just make sure little to nothing gets done. I am shocked you don't see a problem with that and even call for the behavior.
 
[quote name='defender']As for the Dems being obstructionists...yeah great. Nothing better than a party who's only power is to just make sure little to nothing gets done. I am shocked you don't see a problem with that and even call for the behavior.[/quote]
I would be obstructionist if it meant preventing radical right wing laws and judges from being passed. If the Republicans want to reach out and work with the Democrats to get something done, thats fine, but they didn't even do that with the smaller majority they had before.

[quote name='defender']The dead friend of a friend could easily have died in a college night of drinking. We lost 17,419 people to drunk driving in 2002....and for what? A good party? We lost 1000 in a year in Iraq...seems sort of low and reasonable to me. People die...it happens. Freedom has a price and it always has.[/quote]
Theres a big difference in being a complete dumbass and driving drunk, and trying to do something honorable like join the military to further your education and support your family, let alone defend your country. But I guess since Bush was a drunk driver and wasn't in a war, you can compare the two. You don't make a concious decision to risk your life by driving drunk in order to better your life. But if you'd like to compare the two, you could say that both are stupid things to die for (drunk driving and Iraq). Is murder ok now since lots of people die anyway?

Yes, freedom is not free. I'll fight for America's freedom, not Iraq's. What happened to the Republican mantra that we aren't the world's police? Bush was eager to send us off to war whether it was necessary or not.
 
Daschle didn't just lose because of Democrat's lethargy. Republicans picked Dashcle as their chief problem in the Senate.. he consistently voted anti-Republican, no matter what. The campaign they ran for his opponent was almost on level for a Presidential campaign and out of this world for a Senatorial race. Dashcle lost to money.
 
Daschle didn't just lose because of Democrat's lethargy. Republicans picked Dashcle as their chief problem in the Senate.. he consistently voted anti-Republican, no matter what. The campaign they ran for his opponent was almost on level for a Presidential campaign and out of this world for a Senatorial race. Dashcle lost to money.
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I was referring to the party overall and not really to Daschle's race. It really is amazing, $40 million was spent by both sides for under 400,000 voters. Thats over $100 per person.
 
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Working peacefully with other countries is futile when they are on the enemy's payroll.
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I said possible, not payroll. If you're referring to Iraq, prove it.[/quote]

Are you talking about working with other countries to garner war support, or working peacefully with Iraq? If you mean Iraq, there were craploads of resolutions over 10+ years. Saddam didn't want to work peacefully, he was defiant.
 
I am glad that liberal wacko is gone. Now just a few more to go and maybe this country can get back on track.
 
I have to agree with Dafoomie on the issue of the liberals obstructing for the next 4 years. The reason why is because that's what the system was designed to do. It prevents one party from making their agenda the law of the land. Our system was designed do distribute power and not allow power to be consolidated in one party/person. I think its worked in the past and will work in the future.

I also have to agree about the "activist judges". I'm so tired of that term simply because its so relative. You are absolutely right, they're only considered "activist judges" as long as they are on the opposite side, its ridiculous.
 
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