US marines tortured Saddam during his captivity

[quote name='JolietJake']They're right, that is torture.[/QUOTE]
They didn't call it torture, I did.
 
I wonder if he gave them chocolates if they would stop.
 
I was hoping this would be more of a who can piss longer thread, about him being physically tortured and people talking about how it's inhumane.
 
[quote name='whoknows']Did he even understand it? How proficient in English was he? Or is there an Arabic version of it?[/quote]

The movie can be on mute and you'll get most of it.

If one is exposed to just one language for an extended period of time, one begins to learn it.
 
[quote name='Purple Flames']It's only gay if he and Satan's balls touch.[/quote]

So it's not gay if Saddam had his balls slapping Satan's ass?
 
[quote name='gareman']like what waterboarding?[/quote]

lolz, waterboarding, don't you know these anti-torture people are just going on about how prisoners' steaks are too well done and their linens aren't cleaned with enough fabric softener? They think everything is torture!
 
Ya know, as much as I am for human rights, but sometimes Hammurabi's Code of an "eye for an eye" should be put into play. I really am against torture, but if who we go against, irregardless of nationality, doesn't play by the Geneva Conventions, then why the fuck should we. Yes gratuitous torture results in false positives. Prime example, the Inquisition. Its really about how you "play the game".

Saddam just got off insanely easy with a snapped neck. You want someone thats still waiting for payback, look up what Charles Ng did with Leonard Lake (that little shit pussied out by taking a cynaide cap). Ng is STILL sitting on death row. Whats the least he has to look forward to? A high dose of sodium pentathol to "put him to sleep" then another OD of hardcore barbituates to stop his heart...

I'm sure myke is probably familiar with case. BTW, I'd love to chat with ya about the mentality of such criminals...
 
BTW you wanna know a tiny amount of what Ng and Lake did, watch the documentary Snuff on Netflix Watch It Now, they have some of the VHS footage those depraved asshats shot
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Ya know, as much as I am for human rights, but sometimes Hammurabi's Code of an "eye for an eye" should be put into play. I really am against torture, but if who we go against, irregardless of nationality, doesn't play by the Geneva Conventions, then why the fuck should we. Yes gratuitous torture results in false positives. Prime example, the Inquisition. Its really about how you "play the game".[/QUOTE]

It's not just you that does this, but why do people who support these kinds of things usually sound like this:

"I really hate war, but we need to go bomb the shit out of Iraq."

"I'm no sexist, but sometimes those women just need to shut the fuck up and do the dishes."

In your case, it's

"I am for human rights" ...sometimes

and "I really am against torture" (really!) but wait, no I'm not.

Why don't you just come out and say it? "I support torture." Like that. I don't know if it's because you feel bad about it or what, but what's the point of saying you're "really" against torture right before you suggest torturing people?
 
[quote name='rickonker']It's not just you that does this, but why do people who support these kinds of things usually sound like this:

"I really hate war, but we need to go bomb the shit out of Iraq."

"I'm no sexist, but sometimes those women just need to shut the fuck up and do the dishes."

In your case, it's

"I am for human rights" ...sometimes

and "I really am against torture" (really!) but wait, no I'm not.

Why don't you just come out and say it? "I support torture." Like that. I don't know if it's because you feel bad about it or what, but what's the point of saying you're "really" against torture right before you suggest torturing people?[/quote]
In all honesty, I'm for whatever gets the job done. But how can you defend Saddam's regime??? What happened to him is just a pittance compared to what he did to others. And don't even try to make my words come out as what his people did to captured US troops. The bitch was a war criminal, and at least he was punished as such

Now if you want to get into the whole extrodianary rendition issue, I agree that its fucks up. De facto proof crimes should be proven before the "screws" are put to a person

And BTW, I advocate psychological torture over physical....
 
[quote name='rickonker']It's not just you that does this, but why do people who support these kinds of things usually sound like this:

"I really hate war, but we need to go bomb the shit out of Iraq."

"I'm no sexist, but sometimes those women just need to shut the fuck up and do the dishes."

In your case, it's

"I am for human rights" ...sometimes

and "I really am against torture" (really!) but wait, no I'm not.

Why don't you just come out and say it? "I support torture." Like that. I don't know if it's because you feel bad about it or what, but what's the point of saying you're "really" against torture right before you suggest torturing people?[/QUOTE]Excellent post.

[quote name='HumanSnatcher']In all honesty, I'm for whatever gets the job done. But how can you defend Saddam's regime??? What happened to him is just a pittance compared to what he did to others. And don't even try to make my words come out as what his people did to captured US troops. The bitch was a war criminal, and at least he was punished as such

Now if you want to get into the whole extrodianary rendition issue, I agree that its fucks up. De facto proof crimes should be proven before the "screws" are put to a person

And BTW, I advocate psychological torture over physical....[/QUOTE]I don't know how you can defend how we destroyed a sovereign nation for no reason and still claim moral justification.
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Excellent post.

I don't know how you can defend how we destroyed a sovereign nation for no reason and still claim moral justification.[/quote]
I never ONCE defended the US's actions for going in there in this thread.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']In all honesty, I'm for whatever gets the job done.[/QUOTE]

Are you therefore in favor of torturing murderers to get them to confess if there isn't enough evidence to convict them otherwise? It would get the job done. What if we had tortured O.J. Simpson until he confessed? Better world, in your view? What about other crimes? Do we torture innocents for knowledge that assists in intelligence gathering? It might be extremely important. Maybe we should go into FATA and other such places and attempt to force civilians to tell us what we want to know?
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Are you therefore in favor of torturing murderers to get them to confess if there isn't enough evidence to convict them otherwise? It would get the job done. What if we had tortured O.J. Simpson until he confessed? Better world, in your view? What about other crimes? Do we torture innocents for knowledge that assists in intelligence gathering? It might be extremely important. Maybe we should go into FATA and other such places and attempt to force civilians to tell us what we want to know?[/quote]
You must have stopped reading before I mentioned the words "de facto proof" By even mentioning the OJ trial I can tell you want to invoke the race card. If that is your reason, then you can screw off. In terms of "torturing innocents"....lets face it, even the most mundane crimes in this country, its guilty until proven innocent anymore.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']In terms of "torturing innocents"....lets face it, even the most mundane crimes in this country, its guilty until proven innocent anymore.[/QUOTE]

Why do *so* many people have problems using the word "anymore" properly?! Drives me nuts!
 
[quote name='Kirin Lemon']Why do *so* many people have problems using the word "anymore" properly?! Drives me nuts![/quote]
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[quote name='HumanSnatcher']You must have stopped reading before I mentioned the words "de facto proof" By even mentioning the OJ trial I can tell you want to invoke the race card. If that is your reason, then you can screw off. In terms of "torturing innocents"....lets face it, even the most mundane crimes in this country, its guilty until proven innocent anymore.[/quote]

1. I think elprincipe is one of the last people on here who would invoke the "race card"
2. If you already have proof, there's no point in torture. If you don't have proof, torturing until there is a confession is not proof, and (ideally) wouldn't be admissible in court in the first place, since we usually understand that "coercion" and "truth" don't go together.

The problem with torture (other than morals/ethics), is that the situation where it would be useful - you want information that you don't currently have, but you think that you know someone who does - is the same situation where you can't verify the truth of a claim (or that the person you have in custody even knows what you want to know), and the methods by which you are attempting to get your information makes it more likely that the person will lie. It defeats itself, and there are more reliable ways to get information.

But your support for torture doesn't come from belief in its functionality anyway, you just want to hurt people. So this was all a waste of time, but at least you can witness this rare occasion where I agree with elprincipe, rickonker, and Liquid 2.
 
I thought it was pretty much obvious that they tortured him, even if it wasn't reported. The guy was so hated that there was no way he wouldn't be in that climate.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']Ya know, as much as I am for human rights, but sometimes Hammurabi's Code of an "eye for an eye" should be put into play. I really am against torture, but if who we go against, irregardless of nationality, doesn't play by the Geneva Conventions, then why the fuck should we. Yes gratuitous torture results in false positives. Prime example, the Inquisition. Its really about how you "play the game".

Saddam just got off insanely easy with a snapped neck. You want someone thats still waiting for payback, look up what Charles Ng did with Leonard Lake (that little shit pussied out by taking a cynaide cap). Ng is STILL sitting on death row. Whats the least he has to look forward to? A high dose of sodium pentathol to "put him to sleep" then another OD of hardcore barbituates to stop his heart...

I'm sure myke is probably familiar with case. BTW, I'd love to chat with ya about the mentality of such criminals...[/quote]

We should follow the Geneva Conventions because we should have stronger convictions and better reasoning than a 5 year old.

Unless we add a "he started it" clause to the doctrine.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']In all honesty, I'm for whatever gets the job done. [/quote]


Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that one. When someone wants to suggest something evil, they might just say it "gets the job done".

But how can you defend Saddam's regime???
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To paraphrase a certain poster here, I never ONCE defended the actions of Saddam's regime in this thread.

And BTW, I advocate psychological torture over physical....
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Oh well great, that makes it all better.
 
I'll defend Saddam's regime...

He was directly useful to the US until 1991 or thereabouts.

He was indirectly useful to the US until all US forces leave Iraq.
 
[quote name='HumanSnatcher']You must have stopped reading before I mentioned the words "de facto proof" By even mentioning the OJ trial I can tell you want to invoke the race card. If that is your reason, then you can screw off. In terms of "torturing innocents"....lets face it, even the most mundane crimes in this country, its guilty until proven innocent anymore.[/QUOTE]

Mentioning OJ had nothing to do with the race card. Sorry you misunderstood. I used that as an example because it's a well-known case where someone got off where most people thought they were guilty.

I'm afraid I don't understand the rest of your post.
 
[quote name='SpazX']1. I think elprincipe is one of the last people on here who would invoke the "race card"[/QUOTE]

Make that never would invoke, and thank you.
 
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