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http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/front/archives/2005/06/10/2003258664

[quote name='Teipei Times']US President George W. Bush said again yesterday that the US would defend Taiwan if China invaded. When asked in an interview with the Fox News TV Channel, "Do we [the US] still stand by an agreement, Mr. President, that if Taiwan is ever invaded, we will come to the defense of Taiwan?" Bush said: "Yes, we do. It's called the Taiwan Relations Act."

Bush also said he believed that "time will heal" the political dispute between the two sides of the Taiwan Strait.

"My attitude is that time will heal this issue. And therefore we're trying to make sure that neither side provokes the other through unilateral action," he said.

Bush explained that the US stance supported a "one China" policy based on the Three Communiques.

Moreover, Bush said, the US adhered to the Taiwan Relations Act, which meant that it opposed either side of the Taiwan Strait unilaterally changing the status quo.

"In other words, neither side will make a decision that steps outside the bounds of that statement I just made to you. If China were to invade unilaterally, we would rise up in the spirit of [the] Taiwan Relations Act. If Taiwan were to declare independence, it would be a unilateral decision that would then change the US equation," Bush added.

Asked about his views on US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's recent criticism of China's rapid military buildup despite not facing any threats in the region, Bush said the US-China relationship was a complex one.

"It is complex because we deal with each other on a variety of fronts. One front, of course, is our defense posture," he said.

When asked whether he trusted China, Bush said: "So far, I do. We'll see ... time will tell."

In response, the Presidential Office yesterday said that its position was in sync with that of the US government, stating that, "Taiwan stands by safeguarding the peaceful status quo across the Taiwan Strait, and that the solution to cross-strait issues must be resolved via peaceful means."

What the international community should pay attention to, the Presidential Office said, is whether or not China uses "non-peaceful means" to alter the cross-strait status quo in the wake of enacting the "Anti-Secession" Law in March.

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs also welcomed Bush's affirmation of Washington's pledge that the US would help defend Taiwan if it were attacked by China.

"We welcome President Bush's reiteration of the US government's stance. He means that to achieve peace and stability in the Asia-Pacific region, all Pacific-rim nations must make an effort," Foreign Ministry spokesman Michel Lu (呂慶&#40845) said.

Lu said Bush sent a clear message to both sides of the Taiwan Strait that neither side should alter the status quo.

"We will not seek independence. Our constitutional reforms are a domestic issue which will not lead to Taiwan declaring independence. President Chen Shui-bian has promised this many times," he said.[/QUOTE]

As much as I love war, and as much as I'd like to defend Taiwan against Communism, I don't like the idea of aiding them if and when China decides to invade. Our military is spread thin enough due to our war in Iraq, especially since the recruitment rate is down. This is also a problem if China decides to take major action against the US while the majority of our forces are in the Middle East.

If China decides to take Taiwan, I don't know how much we would be able to help Taiwan, especially if that means staunching China's invasion. Would we let China take over, or send our overused military to Taiwan to aid them? What do you guys think?
 
Man. I'm all for Taiwan's independence, but if we took on China you might as well start practicing your "duck and cover" techniques.
 
[quote name='evilmregg']Man. I'm all for Taiwan's independence, but if we took on China you might as well start practicing your "duck and cover" techniques.[/QUOTE]

Pretty much what I mean.
 
So China waits 4 more years for a new president or uses our debt as a leverage, no big deal. I doubt a shot will be fired when China reclaims Taiwan.
 
[quote name='zionoverfire']So China waits 4 more years for a new president or uses our debt as a leverage, no big deal. I doubt a shot will be fired when China reclaims Taiwan.[/QUOTE]

True. But if fighting were to break out, what would your plan of action be?
 
[quote name='Tiphireth']True. But if fighting were to break out, what would your plan of action be?[/QUOTE]

If I'm the US I would have been warned long ahead of time, China wants Taiwan back but China is a very patient country. My bet is they trap us with our debt, the government of Taiwan then gives in and the people fake celibrate as the Chinese parade through the country. Taiwan actually has a lot more to loose economically if they enter a war with China than they stand to gain.
 
Doesnt most of the stuff we use on a daily basis made by Taiwan. If China took over....well, all out imported stuff will stop coming in, the same for China's stuff too..... I think I see a huge market for stuff that says Made in Japan or Made in the USA. YAY! my dreams are coming true, no more cheaply made electronics!!!!! And more jobs for Americans!!!! And no more overseas child labor!!!!!
 
I wouldn't be suprised to see a slow integration of taiwan. As china allows more freedom, taiwan may eventually allow itself to actually become part of china again, while over time slowly losing their autonomy.

Though I don't think the u.s. could defend taiwan if china was really determined, that is unless we engaged in a full scale major conflict or actually attacked china (and not just defend taiwan). Though I don't think attacking china would end too well for us either.

Though I don't think much stuff is made in taiwan anymore, it used to be though.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']I wouldn't be suprised to see a slow integration of taiwan. As china allows more freedom, taiwan may eventually allow itself to actually become part of china again, while over time slowly losing their autonomy.

Though I don't think the u.s. could defend taiwan if china was really determined, that is unless we engaged in a full scale major conflict or actually attacked china (and not just defend taiwan). Though I don't think attacking china would end too well for us either.

Though I don't think much stuff is made in taiwan anymore, it used to be though.[/QUOTE]

Looks at shoes....Made in Korea

Looks at shirt..... Made in El Savador

yea, I guess youre right.... :/
 
I fail to see what there is to discuss. We have had a treaty top defend Taiwan for how long?

I am amused by the Internet Generals however.

How precisley is debt used as a trap?

And anyone forget Taiwain is an (oh wait, here it comes) island? Which would be defended by the Navy?

Which the last time I checked the US Navy wasn't too tied up in Iraq or Afghanistan.

More to the point one of you Internet McArthurs thought to consider the costs to China.

Anyone? Anyone?

CTL
 
[quote name='CTLesq']And anyone forget Taiwain is an (oh wait, here it comes) island? Which would be defended by the Navy?

Which the last time I checked the US Navy wasn't too tied up in Iraq or Afghanistan.

CTL[/QUOTE]
Old news, but it's still funny watching bush try to disturb the status quo.

I wouldn't depend on our Navy to defend taiwan. China doesn't need a Navy to crush taiwan. They have hundreds of missiles pointing straight at the island. We'd be lucky to shoot down 10% of those missiles.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Old news, but it's still funny watching bush try to disturb the status quo.

I wouldn't depend on our Navy to defend taiwan. China doesn't need a Navy to crush taiwan. They have hundreds of missiles pointing straight at the island. We'd be lucky to shoot down 10% of those missiles.[/QUOTE]

Blame Bush? Who is testing missles near Taiwan.

As fot a missle attack against the Taiwan, you think (1) damage can't be done to mainland China? (2) Can a missle occupy an island or do you need ground soldiers which need to go over water?

EZB you are now promoted to a two star internet General for your analysis.

CTL
 
[quote name='CTLesq']Blame Bush? Who is testing missles near Taiwan.

As fot a missle attack against the Taiwan, you think (1) damage can't be done to mainland China? (2) Can a missle occupy an island or do you need ground soldiers which need to go over water?

EZB you are now promoted to a two star internet General for your analysis.

CTL[/QUOTE]

China's always been pointing missiles at taiwan. No change in status quo there.

(1) China just has to launch missiles from remote sites to hit taiwan's cities. What's the U.S. going to do in response? I'm sure their leaders won't be out in the open when that happens.

(2) Crush taiwan first, then occupy later. It doesn't have to be done in synch.
 
[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B']China's always been pointing missiles at taiwan. No change in status quo there.[/quote]

You miss the point. When you test missles around election time that is a threat. And you blame Bush. Pathetic.

[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B'](1) China just has to launch missiles from remote sites to hit taiwan's cities. What's the U.S. going to do in response? I'm sure their leaders won't be out in the open when that happens.[/quote]

Attack where the missles are based? Anyone?

[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B'](2) Crush taiwan first, then occupy later. It doesn't have to be done in synch.[/QUOTE]

Good luck getting through the US Navy.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']You miss the point. When you test missles around election time that is a threat. And you blame Bush. Pathetic.



Attack where the missles are based? Anyone?



Good luck getting through the US Navy.[/QUOTE]

Please provide a link about the missiles being tested near taiwan. I haven't heard anything recently about this.

Once taiwan is ruined, and taiwan can no longer benefit the U.S., the U.S. will care for taiwan as much as they care for the Sudan. Especially when we're pumping billions of dollars already into Iraq and Afghanistan.
 
[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B']Please provide a link about the missiles being tested near taiwan. I haven't heard anything recently about this.[/quote]

Four years ago during their elections. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/682137.stm

[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B']Once taiwan is ruined, and taiwan can no longer benefit the U.S., the U.S. will care for taiwan as much as they care for the Sudan. Especially when we're pumping billions of dollars already into Iraq and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]

No, you mean the US is only interested in defending countries where we have an interest in?

This is a new revelation.

What else do you have in your bag of tricks?

CTL
 
Are you kidding? The article from 2000 says:

However, China did not resort to the missile tests and military exercises it used to intimidate Taiwan's voters four years ago.
Click to expand...

How are missile tests conducted NINE years ago affecting the status quo today?
 
[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B']Are you kidding? The article from 2000 says:

How are missile tests conducted NINE years ago affecting the status quo today?[/QUOTE]

I corrected myself when I posted the link.

But hey, you live in a country where your nation is threatened by communist China and tell me how you like it. I am confident you will roll over and play dead however.

I am begining to understand why people who opposed the Iraq war were so pro-French.

Surrender. Surrender. Surrender.

CTL
 
[quote name='CTLesq']I corrected myself when I posted the link.

But hey, you live in a country where your nation is threatened by communist China and tell me how you like it. I am confident you will roll over and play dead however.

I am begining to understand why people who opposed the Iraq war were so pro-French.

Surrender. Surrender. Surrender.

CTL[/QUOTE]

It's China's island. They can run things however they want there. The best we can do is preserve the current situation. If we're worried so much about China being a threat, then why is China our biggest trade partner?
 
[quote name='Internet General and Political Pundit E-Z-B']It's China's island. They can run things however they want there. The best we can do is preserve the current situation. If we're worried so much about China being a threat, then why is China our biggest trade partner?[/QUOTE]

Your comments above are dumbfounding.

CTL
 
[quote name='Internet General E-Z-B']At least I'm not trying to pass off a nine-year old missile test as a current event.[/QUOTE]

I found a link and corrected my position which is more than I can say in the length of time that I have been on this forum for people who sit on your side of the political fence.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']I found a link and corrected my position which is more than I can say in the length of time that I have been on this forum for people who sit on your side of the political fence.[/QUOTE]
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[quote name='E-Z-B']It's China's island. They can run things however they want there. [/QUOTE]
I find that comment to be disturbing, but I'm very biased. I'm sure the Taiwanese people won't mind just one more violent takeover.
 
Bush says he supports a "One-China policy". If he really means that, then he wouldn't stop China from taking full control of Taiwan. Oh, he'll try to sabre-rattle, but I'm betting in the end, he wouldn't do anything to stop them. We've already got our hands full.

I look at Cuba trying to block the U.S. from interfering with Puerto Rico's affairs (if Cuba had a Navy). We wouldn't take that from them.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']Bush says he supports a "One-China policy". If he really means that, then he wouldn't stop China from taking full control of Taiwan. Oh, he'll try to sabre-rattle, but I'm betting in the end, he wouldn't do anything to stop them. We've already got our hands full.[/QUOTE]
They support a one-China policy through democratic means, not through hostile takeover. The Taiwan Relations Act was created to protect Taiwanese interests (or basically American interests in Taiwan) while disregarding it as its own diplomatic entity so the U.S. could be buddy-buddy with China.
 
btw, I'm not necessarily disagreeing on what Bush would do or the current state of our resources. But it was one of many responsibilities that should have been considered before adding stuff to the U.S. to-do list.
 
[quote name='CTLesq']I corrected myself when I posted the link.[/QUOTE]

Funny, that: when I copy the post just two prior to this just now, it reads like so:

[quote name='Lieutenant Ad-Hominem CTL']
[quote name='Originally Posted by Internet General E-Z-B']
Please provide a link about the missiles being tested near taiwan. I haven't heard anything recently about this.[/quote]


Four years ago during their elections. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/as...ific/682137.stm

[quote name='Originally Posted by Internet General E-Z-B']
Once taiwan is ruined, and taiwan can no longer benefit the U.S., the U.S. will care for taiwan as much as they care for the Sudan. Especially when we're pumping billions of dollars already into Iraq and Afghanistan.[/quote]


No, you mean the US is only interested in defending countries where we have an interest in?

This is a new revelation.

What else do you have in your bag of tricks?

CTL[/quote]

Hmm, perhaps my prescription is off, but that looks dubiously close to a four. Two posts later, you claimed that you corrected yourself. Perhaps announcing that you were incorrect to Quackzilla's Dead Kitten counts for you, but not for us.

I am glad that you've found news sources that aren't the WSJ op-ed pages. Kudos!

myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Funny, that: when I copy the post just two prior to this just now, it reads like so:



Hmm, perhaps my prescription is off, but that looks dubiously close to a four. Two posts later, you claimed that you corrected yourself. Perhaps announcing that you were incorrect to Quackzilla's Dead Kitten counts for you, but not for us.

I am glad that you've found news sources that aren't the WSJ op-ed pages. Kudos!

myke.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, that's what I was thinking, but didn't say anything. It didn't look like CTL corrected himself on anything when he posted that link. I was just going to let him slide on that one, but should've called him on it.
 
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