What Is It About Florida?

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Hanging chads, Terri Schiavo and now this:

Republicans in Florida are trying to pass the Academic Freedom Bill of Rights that would allow students to sue their professors if they forced them to learn something they don't believe them. If this passes, a student who doesn't believe in evolution can sue if he's forced to learn about it for a class. WTF?!?! I assume that you'll also be able to sue if the teacher whips out Intelligent Design but I bet the FL GOP hasn't thought that far ahead yet. No university could afford to defend themselves from the deluge of lawsuits. I almost hope it passes just to watch the spectacle.

So to all the Floridians, What is it with you guys? Is it the heat, the humidity, the gators? I'm in Virginia and the most embarrassing legislator we had recently was the guy who wanted to fine people with visible ass crack (but at least that got shot down quickly).
 
Well seeing how liberal, commie professors are giving out bad grades if you don't agree with their bullshit I say this is a good bill. When this kind of radical propaganda has reached elementary schools with teachers forcing their kids to write hate mail to our soldiers something like this was a long time coming. Hopefully this will get adopted federally too.
 
Ah, Scrubby, I never noticed you were in Miami before. Just because your state is shaped like a penis, you don't have to be a dick.

Just wait for the atheist kids to start suing over the Xmas play...
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Well seeing how liberal, commie professors are giving out bad grades if you don't agree with their bullshit I say this is a good bill. When this kind of radical propaganda has reached elementary schools with teachers forcing their kids to write hate mail to our soldiers something like this was a long time coming. Hopefully this will get adopted federally too.[/QUOTE]

Are you trying to be the DDF of the vs. forum?
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Well seeing how liberal, commie professors are giving out bad grades if you don't agree with their bullshit I say this is a good bill. When this kind of radical propaganda has reached elementary schools with teachers forcing their kids to write hate mail to our soldiers something like this was a long time coming. Hopefully this will get adopted federally too.[/QUOTE]


you think that spewing beliefs is only done by liberal professors? I am sure there are less of them, but I have one right now who doesn't do his job, and spends the first 20 minutes of class talking on his beliefs (basically how much he loves Bush)

and no matter what, your beliefs are going to spew into the classroom. It is just the nature of dealing with issues that people differ on them.
 
please, as if he could come close.

Also, has no one in this state heard of just shutting up and going about your business? Seriously.
 
[quote name='evilmax17']I don't believe in Mathematics or History. Give me my degree.[/QUOTE]

Sorry, but you're in Massachusetts. You'll need to move to a Red State that doesn't value education.
 
I wish I could read the actual bill but apparently Florida's governemnt doesn't believe in having working websites either. Not that I agree with the bill exactly, but I think I'd rather have an impartial opinion than one from a University of Florida news article.
 
[quote name='CaseyRyback']you think that spewing beliefs is only done by liberal professors? I am sure there are less of them, but I have one right now who doesn't do his job, and spends the first 20 minutes of class talking on his beliefs (basically how much he loves Bush)

and no matter what, your beliefs are going to spew into the classroom. It is just the nature of dealing with issues that people differ on them.[/QUOTE]

No I don't, but the fact is college academia is dominated by liberal ideology thus most cases, naturally, will be liberal.

I don't care whos ideology it is - if I'm in a science class I don't want to get lectured on politics or get bad grades cause I disagree with the teacher. Especially when it comes to our children in grades 1-9
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Well seeing how liberal, commie professors are giving out bad grades if you don't agree with their bullshit I say this is a good bill. When this kind of radical propaganda has reached elementary schools with teachers forcing their kids to write hate mail to our soldiers something like this was a long time coming. Hopefully this will get adopted federally too.[/QUOTE]


Shivers.... I agree... kinda....


One teacher I had hated me because I got sick of his leftwing lies during class. Even the completely out of it dumbasses that don't know there are 50 states knew what he said was bullshit. They would ask a question about what he said and never would answer it because he couldn't, it would prove what he said was a left wing wet dream.

But whatever happened to the Republicans that want SMALLER federal government and state rights and low taxs? Oh Bush probably zapped them all.
 
[quote name='David85']Shivers.... I agree... kinda....


One teacher I had hated me because I got sick of his leftwing lies during class. Even the completely out of it dumbasses that don't know there are 50 states knew what he said was bullshit. They would ask a question about what he said and never would answer it because he couldn't, it would prove what he said was a left wing wet dream.

But whatever happened to the Republicans that want SMALLER federal government and state rights and low taxs? Oh Bush probably zapped them all.[/QUOTE]

When I was in 10th grade I had a wacko femenist Dr. who was teaching us biology, and a day didn't go buy that she didn't inject her ideology into our lesson for the day. The best part is how I would get on her nerves cause I refused to call her Dr. I'd call her teacher or Ms. but I wouldn't call her Dr. and she would throw a fit every time.
 
Yeah, 10th and 11th grade had the same "history" teacher and he would throw this trash into the air.

Someone asked about Joe McCarthy asking "How do we know he didn't know the names of the communists in the country?" He didn't answer, she asked 3-4 times and just moved on. The simple truth is that unclassified reports say that many of the people on his lists were really spys and that he was right. Of course no left wing crazy ass wacko would ever admit that.
 
"Republicans in Florida are trying to pass the Academic..."

So two or more people want to pass a bill? I guess that's all they need down in Floridia...

But honestly, this sounds like a rather liberal bill. I thought you guys would want a seperation of church and state (ie a state school mandating that you learn about Islam or Christianity ("things you don't believe in")).
 
[quote name='David85']Shivers.... I agree... kinda....


One teacher I had hated me because I got sick of his leftwing lies during class. Even the completely out of it dumbasses that don't know there are 50 states knew what he said was bullshit. They would ask a question about what he said and never would answer it because he couldn't, it would prove what he said was a left wing wet dream.

But whatever happened to the Republicans that want SMALLER federal government and state rights and low taxs? Oh Bush probably zapped them all.[/quote]

I had a liberal TA make little corrections or mini arguments against my arguments on my papers, but I was never marked off for it. Actually, where I got penalized was from conservative teachers in religion class in high school. They'd ask an opinion question, I'd give it, and they'd tell me it was wrong. If they wanted me to regurgitate the book they should say that, but it didn't ask for the opinion of the book, it asked for mine. I failed a midterm (2 questions, only gave me credit for 1 so I got a 50) cause I'm too stubborn to claim an opinion I don't agree with. Got marked down on a few other tests (usually just a few points, no more than 10), and got marked down on homework because questions in the book asked me things I didn't believe in, and the teacher wouldn't let me answer them another way (ie. When do you feel is the best time to pray? I couldn't answer that), so I simply could not complete all my homework assignments. I also had one try to tell me I did a paper wrong. We had to compare to different religions or religious sects and their view on an issue, I compared the catholic vs the wiccan view on sex and pornography. I had to argue with him for about 15 minutes cause he kept insisting wicca wasn't a religion (this is after the paper was already done). That still didn't stop him from complaining about a picture of foxy brown in bra and panties, he said it was explicit. He wanted examples so I thought that was an excellent example. He did accept it though.

Though, scrub, the article you're probably quoting from fpm (with the girl who claims she failed a test due to a liberal professor), horowitz, in a later article, said he later found out that the girl didn't actually fail the test. And even if she had, he said he never saw the test, it may have been just flat out wrong. I'll gain a lot more respect for this bill when they start showing me examples of people getting marked off for writing liberal answers. So far all they've done is show me where a student claims they were harmed due to their opinions, they never produce the paper or even have claimed to see it, they just take the word of the student. I know when I screw up I wasn't really excpecting it.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Students don't have to agree with everything they're taught, they just have to listen. What's the harm in that?

This bill is idiotic.[/QUOTE]

The bill has uses if it is only used when there is clear evidence a students grade has been negatively effected by their opinion, or they had to pretend they believed something they did not (assuming pretending was not part of the exercise). The problem is it isn't being promoted that way. It's being promoted by the very people who condemn schools for allowing a pro palestinian conference, and applaud them when they don't allow such things, but at the same time have a fit when pro israeli groups are not allowed, and applaud them when they are. One view is viewed as based in facts, one is viewed as terrorism supporting and outright lies. One is not a justifiable position, is blatantly wrong, and is treated as far inferior.
 
This bill looks pretty stupid. I hope it doesn't pass.
As for teachers who teach their political views as fact, they should be warned, and fired if they don't stop. People should have the right to choose.
I really like my government teacher. He looks at both sides of an issue, and when he argues with someone it is they can see the other point of view, no matter what party has that point of view.
I'm guess I'm lucky at my highschool. None of the teachers try to teach us their political views. I just hope I'm as lucky in college.
 
As for teachers who teach their political views as fact, they should be warned, and fired if they don't stop.
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Unless forced this will never happen. Schools usually back up their teachers especially if the teacher is aligned with the ideology of the school. And let's not forget tenure.
 
I've had 3 crazy feminist teachers, one of them who even admitted she'd fail a student in the class because he said some smartass remark when she went on one of her rants early in the semester.

I've had a perverted bastard that was obviously having sex with his students.

I'm all for a law that gives students some way to fight against crappy teachers... because there are a bunch of them out there.
 
Why does everything have to be law based or give someone the ability to sue. The teacher should just get fired. If a chef doesn't cook your steak to your liking, you can't sue them, but he sure as hell can get fired.
 
Yes, but what other way is there to get the teacher fired?

Most schools will just ignore complaints about a teacher, because there's not that much they can do about it.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']The bill has uses if it is only used when there is clear evidence a students grade has been negatively effected by their opinion, or they had to pretend they believed something they did not (assuming pretending was not part of the exercise). The problem is it isn't being promoted that way. It's being promoted by the very people who condemn schools for allowing a pro palestinian conference, and applaud them when they don't allow such things, but at the same time have a fit when pro israeli groups are not allowed, and applaud them when they are. One view is viewed as based in facts, one is viewed as terrorism supporting and outright lies. One is not a justifiable position, is blatantly wrong, and is treated as far inferior.[/QUOTE]

If a teacher is grading based on opinions instead of knowledge they should be fired, not sued.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']Unless forced this will never happen. Schools usually back up their teachers especially if the teacher is aligned with the ideology of the school. And let's not forget tenure.[/QUOTE]

There needs to be some leeway. Presenting both sides is good, but it becomes difficult in political classes to present both sides evenly. For example, one of my classes is on 3rd world nations, the professor is alright (she does show both sides exist), but the TA's are wacko, one of them even thinks that we invaded afghanistan to change their culture, though she tolerated other views. I had two, both far, far, far left, but one tolerated others views, one didn't (well, she didn't exactly mark you down for disagreeing, but she kept making arguments against my arguments, I did get an A+ even though she agreed with almost nothing I said. She just would warp everything you said in tutorial into the most absurd comment that no one would possibly support), but as long as they allow you to express your view and don't penalize your grade, nothing should be forced. I strongly prefer teachers who try to be unbiased, but unless they're marking me down for my opinion I'm not going to try to get them fired.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']If a teacher is grading based on opinions instead of knowledge they should be fired, not sued.[/QUOTE]

Depends, if the grade effected the students future then they could be sued. If you gave someone a B instead of an A in a first year course with no consequence other than the letter grade then no, no lawsuit. If I'm trying to transfer to mcgill or harvard and you dropped my grade 10 or 20 points since you didn't like my opinion, and it appears that that grade played a significant role, then by all means sue. But it should be in reason, and shown to be malicious. I understand it may be unintentional, if someone were to argue a pro israel viewpoint I'm much more likely to see holes in their argument than a pro palestinian viewpoint, even if I'm trying to be entirely impartial. For the arguments to appear of equal strength, the pro israel one will probably be need to be done better, due to I see that argument as weaker in my head anyway (otherwise I'd support it). But if I decide that I can't stand the argument, or can't stand that someone could possibly make that argument and drop their grade on that, then I should have a problem.
 
This is basically a law designed for christian whimps who can't stand the fact that scientists have proven the theory of evolution. Listen, some teachers are idiots, I had one send a friend to speech therapy because he had an Australian accent when we were in 7th grade but noone was emotionally scarred. Do you really need to sue because a teacher told you that McCarthy was a menace to the American judicial system (regardless of the communist spies around at the time, he was) or that evolution occurs (it does), can't you just keep your radical ideas where they belong, locked up with your fundamentalist misunderstandings of religious metaphor and fringe revisionist history pamphlets?
 
This is a backhanded way of getting Intelligent Design taught in schools by threatening them with lawsuits if they don't teach every harebrained theory out there. Intelligent Design is not science, it's religion and therefore it doesn't belong in a science class. If parents feel that strongly about it, there is always homeschooling or private school.
 
uhoh I think congress is going to meet in a sunday meeting to bring this into effect nation wide. Its all over people, there goes the educational neighborhood
 
[quote name='camoor']This is basically a law designed for christian whimps who can't stand the fact that scientists have proven the theory of evolution. Listen, some teachers are idiots, I had one send a friend to speech therapy because he had an Australian accent when we were in 7th grade but noone was emotionally scarred. Do you really need to sue because a teacher told you that McCarthy was a menace to the American judicial system (regardless of the communist spies around at the time, he was) or that evolution occurs (it does), can't you just keep your radical ideas where they belong, locked up with your fundamentalist misunderstandings of religious metaphor and fringe revisionist history pamphlets?[/QUOTE]


Obviously you've just ignored what everyone else said. Good job.
 
[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']Students don't have to agree with everything they're taught, they just have to listen. What's the harm in that?

This bill is idiotic.[/QUOTE]

Completely agreed.

You go to school to learn, not to debate. You dont like what he's teaching? Find another teacher.

Teachers teach what they think you should know....its how its always been done. Sure, they have a curriculum they must follow...but all the extra is their time.

Shut your mouth, and open your ears. Period.

Alot of people say things you dont agree with, ignore it. Stop being a pussy.

Everyone is becoming so sensitve its rediculous....you know why? Cause people are to comfortable....we need a major war with a draft or something. This is getting petty and out of control.
 
You don't have to agree with a teacher at all...Part of learning is understanding things you may not like or agree with, even if you still don't agree with it afterwards. But it's not just their extra time...they can't just teach whatever the hell they feel like if they are done or bored with the normal curriculum. All professor's should teach what applies to the class and their personal beliefs shouldn't interfere or drag out any extra time. If it's part of the course you are taking then fine, but if I learn about ancient cultures I don't one professor to skip the sections on Egypt because he/she feels like it was a worthless society or some other absurd reason. The same goes for religion, politics, law, etc. If they deem it not necessary for me to learn at that time then fine, yet I don't want them teaching just what they believe in an nothing else. It's not so easy to just get another professor, that's rarely an option for many classes and in the end, it's just as much my time and it's especially my money. This bill looks like it'll do nothing productive, but in a place of education, someone teaching their own personal beliefs and nothing else can be a dangerous thing. I think something should be done to prevent that sort of thing (because yes it does happen), perhaps not a law, but colleges and universities should step in themselves to curb that sort of thing.

And, really how exactly is a major war with draft going to help society be any less sensitive?
 
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