What's after Blu-ray? Speculation topic.

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So with Blu-ray picking up steam, what do you guys think the future of physical media will be?

3D will probably pick up eventually, once TVs come out that don't require glasses, but after that, who knows.

I could also see DD picking up, but as CDs have showed us, physical media will always be around.

Any thoughts/ideas?
 
I think before it expands in terms of audio/visual, it's going to expand in terms of storage capacity. I've heard about HVD's where storage capacity can reach 1tb+ per disc, but like it says in the article, the drives will be $15k and the discs will be $100+ each initially.

I look forward to re-buying my entire collection :(.. though it'd be nice to (eventually) have one disc containing all the episodes of TV shows like 24 in HD format versus all of the individual discs for each season.
 
DD is gonna be a tough sell with providers capping data. comcast has me limited to 250gb right now. yeah its pretty damn high, but we get close to 100gb each month. thats with fairly typical use, internet, gaming, netflix etc. when the day comes that im downloading full on HD movies (and im talking about something that would have everything a bluray disc has; uncompressed 7.1, special features etc) in addition to my regular usage, that 250gb cap is gonna come up real fast.
 
That is something I never thought about. Luckily my area has no caps.

Scorch, besides seasons, would regular movies really benefit from the huge space increase? Maybe a butt-load of extra features, but outside of that, I can't think of much.
 
next after Blu-Ray?
DETH-RAY!

the 3d thing isn't going to catch on, no matter how neat it is, until there are no glasses required. Even then it will take at least three of the top brands going all 3d as the standard and phasing out standard TV. I mean hell, you can still buy a standard def TV and HDTV has been more or less "normal" now for the better part of 5 years. At that rate it'll be 2020 at the earliest where the next thing beyond good ol' 1080p starts to get its foot in the door.
 
I've yet to see anything in 3D that would make me want to spend the extra few bucks on a movie ticket -- let alone an expensive TV. It still looks cheap.
 
I can't think of much I'd want. 3D doesn't do much for me. I guess I could go for higher capacity Blu Ray (or successor discs) to get whole TV seasons on one disc etc.

Digital Download is probably the real future once broadband is everywhere, but we're a long ways off from that so we'll probably always have physical media around during our lifetimes.
 
A bit early for this thread, innit?

:br: isn't even mainstream yet.

Besides, Digital Distribution(Netflix Instant Watch being most prominent) will gain a larger footprint before :br: becomes mainstram
 
[quote name='seanr1221']That is something I never thought about. Luckily my area has no caps.

Scorch, besides seasons, would regular movies really benefit from the huge space increase? Maybe a butt-load of extra features, but outside of that, I can't think of much.[/QUOTE]
The entire Police Academy series on one disc.
 
Honestly this should go in the BR section. DVD's lasted 14+ years. I say give it another 2-3 years tops before retailers start mega shrinking DVD shelf space for BR discs. Until current market tv's pass the 1080p mark, BR's will be around for a long time. Say another 10 years. Yes we are only getting a small percentage of the true resolution of what we see in theaters and yes we are going to have to buy all our shit over again. It happens...as long as they have a good trade in program then all is good.
 
Blu-ray was obsolete when it came out, HDD and SSD are the future, I'm waiting for that Pedabyte drive that was suppose to come out 2010/2011 for $750...
 
I'm team Digital Download/streaming. You should have seen my elderly moms all engrossed in her Roku box this Christmas. She had watched almost 21 straight episodes of LOST over the holiday weekend. She promptly cancelled her cable and got the HD antenna for local news.

All of us who collect games, comics, cds, hell BOOKS... any physical media will be like those old record blues and jazz record collectors in about 20 years. Imagine antiques roadshow featuring the heralded new-in-box Sega Saturn!

Of course around 2054ish there will be technological advances that will keep us all alive indefinitely and in a constant state of glazed over.

Excuse my ramble...
 
Aren't there still a higher number of standard definition tv's than hd tv's? So I don't think anything past Blu Ray is even relevant at this point.
 
Even though HD content "looks good/great", there is much higher resolutions out there. We are still in the "beginning" of the affordable HD era. Sure it's been around for years, but 10 years ago this shit was expensive. Now you can buy a decent HD set up for under 500 bucks.

So something bigger is coming...BR is here to stay for now...this 3d crap has until next summer to effectively make money or it's clearance sales in the fall of 2011!
 
I don't see a new format so much as a condensing of existing media into once device/format. I expect in 50 years time we won't have music players, movie players, and game players- we'll have 'media units' that do all 3 along with phone and video calls, computer work & internet, text articles, etc.

In other words, it'll be a lot like Wall-E but without the hover chairs. ;)
 
[quote name='Amblix']I think we'll have better thoughts when blu-ray is standard everywhere.[/QUOTE]
Standard? When will the BR players drop to $50 and BR discs drop to $5 on sale each week. Then I'll consider buying movies on BR. Till then, it's DVD or nothing for me.
[quote name='ITDEFX']Honestly this should go in the BR section. DVD's lasted 14+ years. I say give it another 2-3 years tops before retailers start mega shrinking DVD shelf space for BR discs. Until current market tv's pass the 1080p mark, BR's will be around for a long time. Say another 10 years. Yes we are only getting a small percentage of the true resolution of what we see in theaters and yes we are going to have to buy all our shit over again. It happens...as long as they have a good trade in program then all is good.[/QUOTE]
:rofl: I'll just be getting an HDtv by the time the 'next big thing' comes along. If what I got ain't broke, I'm not 'upgrading'.:booty: Even then I'll just look around for one of the older tv's unless a 20" HDtv is $150 or less.:razz:
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']Standard? When will the BR players drop to $50 and BR discs drop to $5 on sale each week. Then I'll consider buying movies on BR. Till then, it's DVD or nothing for me.

:rofl: I'll just be getting an HDtv by the time the 'next big thing' comes along. If what I got ain't broke, I'm not 'upgrading'.:booty: Even then I'll just look around for one of the older tv's unless a 20" HDtv is $150 or less.:razz:[/QUOTE]

You do realize you can get a good player for 80.00, movies are dropping in price quickly, and a 20" would be pointless unless you want to press your nose against it while watching a blu-ray. Jumping into HD isn't nearly as expensive as it used to be.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']You do realize you can get a good player for 80.00, movies are dropping in price quickly, and a 20" would be pointless unless you want to press your nose against it while watching a blu-ray. Jumping into HD isn't nearly as expensive as it used to be.[/QUOTE]


I agree... remember 7 years ago HDTV's were really expensive (like 5k+)..everything goes down in price...it all depends on how fast manufactures develop the technology and how they want to penetrate the market. Now is the time to get into the HD Bandwagon. Prices are great... like I said 3d in the home market is a joke...the biggest turn off is those damn glasses. No one wants to buy more than 2 because of the prices and tests have shown it's not as bright as the 2-d version of the movie.

Yea when 3d tv fails, your going to see a big drop in prices and clearance items. Will people still buy them? maybe..but then again what's the point as there will be no longer support for them (no 3d programming, no 3dblu's). Company's will go back to the drawing board and spend several years to try to figure out how to do this without the glasses. I am sure the N3DS will be a nice study model for them.
 
Well there will always be cheap asses, old farts, and people who just plain don't care who lag way behind in upgrading to new technology.

Blu Ray will be "standard" when most people (ie. > 50%) buying and renting movies are getting them on Blu Ray and we start seeing some movies no longer coming out on DVD.

But even that is still years away as there are a lot of people, including many I know with HDTVs, who just don't care as they don't buy/rent movies often enough to bother switching from DVD and aren't video philes and only have HD because of wanting a big widescreen TV rather than anything to do with the resolution.
 
anyone who thinks downloaded and streaming media is going to be the norm within 10 years is out of their mind
 
[quote name='DestroVega']anyone who thinks downloaded and streaming media is going to be the norm within 10 years is out of their mind[/QUOTE]

Honestly it's kind of heading that way, weither we like it or not :| There are a lot of "Pros" with streaming media and it saves company's a shit load of money on production costs... I am not sure how much cheaper it is than to have servers online 24/7 with that media.
 
It's just not that easy. There's still a good chunk of rural America that has no access to even DSL or Cable internet (like were my parents live in WV).

The best bet is probably improving and expanding wireless internet (3G, 4G and their successors) as it's probably more feasible to get cell towers everywhere than get the wired infrastructure country/world-wide.
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']Honestly it's kind of heading that way, weither we like it or not :| There are a lot of "Pros" with streaming media and it saves company's a shit load of money on production costs... I am not sure how much cheaper it is than to have servers online 24/7 with that media.[/QUOTE]

dont forget the matter of DRM.

i can see it now, you can download a mega high def 3d movie to your google/apple/comcast tv service. but you wont be able to pop it on a flash drive and bring it over to a friends google/apple/comcast tv.
 
[quote name='RAMSTORIA']dont forget the matter of DRM.

i can see it now, you can download a mega high def 3d movie to your google/apple/comcast tv service. but you wont be able to pop it on a flash drive and bring it over to a friends google/apple/comcast tv.[/QUOTE]

I think it will eventually be all streaming from the cloud and no buying of digital files unfortunately.

Though honestly, as long as internet was more reliable than today I wouldn't mind as I get tired of having physical media to lug around every time I move, digital files to move from computer to computer when upgrading etc.
 
3D TVs are stupid. It looks like flat layers to me, like South Park sort of looks.

If anything, holographic displays would be awesome.
 
[quote name='elessar123']3D TVs are stupid. It looks like flat layers to me, like South Park sort of looks.

If anything, holographic displays would be awesome.[/QUOTE]

Holographic TV has been tested years ago but really is a pain in the ass to develop content for..not to mention expensive. No need for that. I kinda like the way tv's are getting thinner..

[quote name='RAMSTORIA']dont forget the matter of DRM.

i can see it now, you can download a mega high def 3d movie to your google/apple/comcast tv service. but you wont be able to pop it on a flash drive and bring it over to a friends google/apple/comcast tv.[/QUOTE]

Forgot about that.. DRM is always going to be the bane of the DD/Streaming system. Companies spend too much time and money to develop it only to have some kids crack it over the weekend. It's a never ending problem that has no real solution. The end is when the servers crash or get shut down completely. It will happen one day...no doubt about it.
 
[quote name='seanr1221']You do realize you can get a good player for 80.00, movies are dropping in price quickly, and a 20" would be pointless unless you want to press your nose against it while watching a blu-ray. Jumping into HD isn't nearly as expensive as it used to be.[/QUOTE]
I had a 27" SDtv in my room for all of half a week back in 2004 or so and I was going blind with it in my room. So a 20" tv is all I really need or want. Plus I sit about 3-4 feet from my tv. I don't want to have to be in the next zip code just to watch tv without needing to sit in the next zip code to do so comfortably.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']I had a 27" SDtv in my room for all of half a week back in 2004 or so and I was going blind with it in my room. So a 20" tv is all I really need or want. Plus I sit about 3-4 feet from my tv. I don't want to have to be in the next zip code just to watch tv without needing to sit in the next zip code to do so comfortably.[/QUOTE]

A 20" LCD Monitor can easily be found for less than $150 and you can hook up anything with HDMI to one of those (which is just about everything that is HD capable). I watch all my Blu-rays movies and TV shows and play all my games on a 21.5" 1080p LCD monitor I got for around $130. I sit about 2' away from the screen so the picture quality is excellent.
 
Well, hopefully eventually you'll have your own house/apt/condo and not be limited to a TV in the bedroom, and will move on to lounging on the couch several feet from a nice bigscreen TV.
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']I still don't own a single blu-ray movie. DVD forever.[/QUOTE]


So somewhere in 2011 you are going to get a BR player ?;)
 
[quote name='ITDEFX']So somewhere in 2011 you are going to get a BR player ?;)[/QUOTE]

I have a PS3, but since I'm still on a standard def TV I see no reason to pay higher prices for an increase in quality I'm not really going to benefit from.
 
No reason to pay a much higher price, but also no reason not to grab some Blu Rays you see on sell for $5-10 so you have them for when you do get an HDTV. Especially movies heavy on eye candy and special effects that really benefit from being in HD. Saves an upgrade down the road.
 
Most of the DVDs I buy are TV show sets, and I rarely see them discounted low--and even when they are, they're still usually 5-10 bucks more (at least) than the DVD version.

Also, I still enjoy watching VHS. Can we have VHS back?
 
[quote name='PenguinMaster']A 20" LCD Monitor can easily be found for less than $150 and you can hook up anything with HDMI to one of those (which is just about everything that is HD capable). I watch all my Blu-rays movies and TV shows and play all my games on a 21.5" 1080p LCD monitor I got for around $130. I sit about 2' away from the screen so the picture quality is excellent.[/QUOTE]
I currently am gaming on a 21.5" monitor I got last year from Target on clearance. It even had an HDMI port right on it, so no need for a DVI to HDMI adapter.;) But I'll only ever use it for gaming, namely since there's no movies/tv shows that I really want to watch/re-watch/re-re-watch.
[quote name='dmaul1114']Well, hopefully eventually you'll have your own house/apt/condo and not be limited to a TV in the bedroom, and will move on to lounging on the couch several feet from a nice bigscreen TV.[/QUOTE]
:rofl: What part of the IAmTheCheapestGamer name don't you understand? Gaming is my main hobby and as I said above there have been ZERO movies or tv shows I've wanted to re-watch in ANY format once I've seen them once. The only movies I still re-watch occasionally are the original Transformers animated movie from 1986 or The Crow. Otherwise I watch current movies that I buy from the local game/movie shop for $3 once, then trade them back into them for $1-2 and that's that.
[quote name='dmaul1114']No reason to pay a much higher price, but also no reason not to grab some Blu Rays you see on sell for $5-10 so you have them for when you do get an HDTV. Especially movies heavy on eye candy and special effects that really benefit from being in HD. Saves an upgrade down the road.[/QUOTE]
Meh. See above. I don't want to own a collection of movies, since I'll never watch them on my gaming machine and I'll never buy a BR player until the movies are $5 at most on sale.:booty:
 
[quote name='Jesus_S_Preston']Most of the DVDs I buy are TV show sets, and I rarely see them discounted low--and even when they are, they're still usually 5-10 bucks more (at least) than the DVD version.

Also, I still enjoy watching VHS. Can we have VHS back?[/QUOTE]


Yea if you are into watching TV shows from the pre-hd era...then stick to SD. an HD upscale just makes things worse.
 
oh and really? Watching/playing HD content on a 20 inch monitor is just a strain on the eyes....you have to be at 32 inches or bigger in order to get the full effect of HD.
 
[quote name='IAmTheCheapestGamer']
:rofl: What part of the IAmTheCheapestGamer name don't you understand? Gaming is my main hobby and as I said above there have been ZERO movies or tv shows I've wanted to re-watch in ANY format once I've seen them once. [/QUOTE]

Fair enough. But you do realize that two out of three current consoles are in HD right? And that there will never be another non-HD console after this generation? :D

For me I'm much more into movies, TV and sports than games, so a big HDTV was a must. But again, it's super nice playing 360 games in HD as well!

But fair enough on being a cheapass. I can't knock you for that on this site, given myself not being a cheapass is the one who's the anomaly here!
 
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[quote name='ITDEFX']oh and really? Watching/playing HD content on a 20 inch monitor is just a strain on the eyes....you have to be at 32 inches or bigger in order to get the full effect of HD.[/QUOTE]
We have this 'discussion'(more like argument cuz everybody else thinks they're right in their opinion of needing some wall sized tv) every couple of months. For the size room I play in I don't need or want to be blinded by it and I sit about 3-4 feet from it. So I'm ok with it, but it seems like everybody else feels as if unless you spend a grand on a huge tv you're not really playing in HD.

I can see an improvement in the picture over the SDtv I used to play on, does that not say anything?
[quote name='dmaul1114']Fair enough. But you do realize that two out of three current consoles are in HD right? And that there will never be another non-HD console after this generation? :D

For me I'm much more into movies, TV and sports than games, so a big HDTV was a must. But again, it's super nice playing 360 games in HD as well!

But fair enough on being a cheapass. I can't knock you for that on this site, given myself not being a cheapass is the one who's the anomaly here![/QUOTE]
I'm ok with them switchin to HD now, since I am gaming in HD now as well, but the moment they go digital download only for games is the day I end gaming on anything but older consoles.:booty:
 
[quote name='Lyricsborn']Just give it a rest IATCG is :shock: "ALWAYS" right.[/QUOTE]
Not always.;) But it gets irritating when people say you "NEED" a huge tv to see any difference. I see a difference when I'm playing my PS3 on the 21" monitor I'm playing it on versus my SDtv I was using for it before.

That's what matters to me, not being able to see the people on the tv life size and being able to see their frickin' pores. I don't watch much tv and I couldn't even tell you the last new movie I saw, since there hasn't been anything that's come out that I've been even half interested in.

But for those who do a lot of tv/movie watching it's probably a well justified purchase and definitely worth it.
 
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