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My friend(SIUFan86) and I just recently bought two 30'' TVs from different manufactures and was wondering which TV is better out of the two. I will post a picture of the TVs and the specs for each one.

Sanyo 30" Widescreen HDTV (Integrated ATSC Tuner), HT30744




Description
  • 30-inch High-Definition (1080i) digital TV
  • Widescreen 16:9 flat picture
  • Both analog (NTSC) tuner and digital (ATSC) tuner built in
  • No separate set-top box required
  • 2-tuner (one digital/one analog) Picture-And-Picture (PAP) feature keeps track of two separate programs or ballgames with the touch of a button
  • Side-by-side split screen images are superior to the smaller PIP (Picture In Picture) format
  • Note: one of the PAP windows must be from a digital broadcast source
  • Advanced HDMI (High Definition Multimedia Interface) connection for increased bandwidth
  • 3D Y/C digital comb filter
  • Two sets of component video inputs (Y-Pb-Pr)
  • A/V jack pack with two S-Video inputs
  • Digital audio output
  • MTS/SAP stereo sound improved audio system reproduces true high-fidelity sound
  • Front surround sound adds movie theater-like dimension to the acoustic experience
  • V-Guide Parental Control V-chip offers parental control over inappropriate shows
  • QuikCap Closed Caption allows display of closed captions whenever TV is muted
  • English, Spanish and French on-screen displays
  • Sleep timer for automatic shut-off
  • Auto channel programming scans through all channels (regular and cable) and programs only active channels into memory
  • Backlit multimedia remote control operates most brands of DVD players, VCRs, satellite systems and cable boxes
  • 75-ohm F-type antenna input (CATV, VHF, UHF)
  • Dimensions: 22.5"H x 35.7"W x 21.8"D
  • Weight: 132.2 lbs.
Philips 30" RealFlat Widescreen TV, 30PW6341



Description

Images continually optimized for real-life pictures
  • RealFlat invar picture tube produces a distortion- and reflection-free picture for maximum viewing comfort
  • ActiveControl Plus+, enhanced with LTI/CTI and an Ambient Light Sensor, ensures that noise, sharpness, brightness, contrast and color are continuously analyzed and picture settings are optimized to give you the best picture in any lighting environment and condition
  • 2-line digital comb filter for finer picture detail
  • Luminance/Chrominance Transient Improvement (LTI/CTI) with split-screen demo
  • Scan Velocity Modulation defines edge detail
  • 6 widescreen display modes: 4:3 Zoom, 14:9 Zoom, 16:9, Subtitle Zoom, Superwide and Widescreen plus Auto and Nudge control
Home entertainment control center
  • QuadraSurf universal remote with glow buttons to personalize your TV and control other accessories
  • V-chip for parental control
  • OSD (on-screen display) and menu control
Theater-Like Surround Sound
  • Dolby Virtual Surround with 20 watts audio power gives you true cinema surround sound without the need of extra cabling or rear speakers
Connectivity
  • Side stereo A/V + headphone jacks makes connecting digital cameras and video games quick and easy
  • Rear connections: A/V I: A/V in, CVI/YPbPr; A/V 2: A/V in, S-video; A/V 3: Monitor out
Product Measurement in inches: 23.5 x 21.5 x 35.0
 
i have that philips or one very much like it, it only does 480p and 1080i. the thing that annoys me most about the set is that the component inputs that can do 480p/1080i can only take video sources that are either 480p or 1080i, so say you can play halo2 in 480p but if you put in metal slug 3 (not 480p capable), it wont show anything unless you unplug the xbox from your tv and switch it to the regular component input. I dont know if the sanyo is any better in that regard as its not something you generally see listed in specs but having hdmi and built in atsc tuner are both big pluses in its favor.
 
1 Cheapass hometheater gamer vote here:

Sanyo

A better name in general these days, and the Sanyo CRT sets are generally well regarded on AVSforum.
 
I own the Philips. The Sanyo is better. No contest.

The picture doesn't really look any better, but the Sanyo is better in just about every way. Not to mention that Philips TV's break down more than most, Sanyo's break down the 2nd least.
 
[quote name='Trakan']Sorry to go kind of off topic, but which of these two TVs are better?

http://www.sears.com/sr/javasr/prod...rtorder=d&prod1080400686=on&prod1080206653=on[/QUOTE]

I personally LOVE Toshiba Tvs. Many people will argue that the Sonys win due to the flat trinitron tube and their very good dark levels.

That said, the Toshiba is a better tv IMO. Yes, Im biased but that selectable 16:9 is a very nice feature. Plus more composite inputs, and cheaper.
 
[quote name='supadupacheap']I personally LOVE Toshiba Tvs. Many people will argue that the Sonys win due to the flat trinitron tube and their very good dark levels.

That said, the Toshiba is a better tv IMO. Yes, Im biased but that selectable 16:9 is a very nice feature. Plus more composite inputs, and cheaper.[/QUOTE]

I agree, get the Toshiba.
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Does the Philips support 720p?[/QUOTE]

Neither TV supports 720P. I own both and fel that each has their good points. The The ATSC tuner on the sanyo is kinda useless tho unless you live in an area with few tall objects or are willing to stick an antenna on your roof
 
[quote name='Sarang01']Does the Philips support 720p?[/QUOTE]

No mainstream CRT support 720p but most convert the 720p into 1080i.
 
[quote name='b3b0p']The Sanyo comes with ATSC (DTV/HD) tuner.

Makes this the easiest decision ever.

Get the Sanyo.[/QUOTE]

My friend and I have already bought the TVs. We paid $260 for each one. I got the Sanyo and he got the Phillips. We were just wondering which was better of the two since we know nothing about HD TVs.
 
[quote name='hutno']Neither TV supports 720P. I own both and fel that each has their good points. The The ATSC tuner on the sanyo is kinda useless tho unless you live in an area with few tall objects or are willing to stick an antenna on your roof[/QUOTE]


You can use rabbit ears to get digital and HD locals for free if you live in/near a metro area.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']Not to mention that Philips TV's break down more than most[/QUOTE]


Very true, When I was in the market to buy a tv about this time last year. I was looking at every brand. Every place I read said that the phillips tv break down a lot. Like 75% of the reviews for phillips were speaking of the tv breaking down. Some as little as 3 months some as long as 2 years. IMO a TV should at very least last 5-8 years. Phillips have really really gone downhill.
 
[quote name='klwillis45']You can use rabbit ears to get digital and HD locals for free if you live in/near a metro area.[/QUOTE]

I live right outside of boston and the signals suck, what I was saying, is that HD clarity and consistency are based entirely on line of sight. So if there are large objects all around you, you're going to have a hard time getting a constant signal with no pauses in the broadcast
 
what the fuck, now i feel real confident about my philips tv. fuckshit. should i take it back then or was it still a good buy at $260? from u guys it sounds like my tv is a piece of shit. and u guys r saying that his is better since it has the tuner built in. i assume mine doesn't then. i bought the microsoft HD cables today, so do i not get my games and movies in HD now since apparently mine doesn't have the damn tuner? WTF
 
The tuner only is good for receiving DTV (HDTV) over the air with an antenna/rabbit ears.

Has nothing to do with your TV being able to display HD or not.

You just have to buy a external ATSC tuner (also called DTV tuner or HDTV Tuner).
 
[quote name='b3b0p']The tuner only is good for receiving DTV (HDTV) over the air with an antenna/rabbit ears.

Has nothing to do with your TV being able to display HD or not.

You just have to buy a external ATSC tuner (also called DTV tuner or HDTV Tuner).[/QUOTE]


So then with the HD cables my movies and games will be in HD? I don't need the tuner for movies and games, do i?
 
[quote name='SIUfan86']what the fuck, now i feel real confident about my philips tv. fuckshit. should i take it back then or was it still a good buy at $260? from u guys it sounds like my tv is a piece of shit. and u guys r saying that his is better since it has the tuner built in. i assume mine doesn't then. i bought the microsoft HD cables today, so do i not get my games and movies in HD now since apparently mine doesn't have the damn tuner? WTF[/QUOTE]

i have this tv and its fine for gaming, you only need an atsc tuner to watch digital tv that is broadcast over the air, it makes no difference to your gaming experiance. I paid 600 for it and thought it was a good price, you should be happy with it. you can always add an external tuner to your setup if you decide you want to watch hdtv programs on it.
 
The Sanyo, HDMI will be needed for the next generation systems. I do hope it works with 360 and PS3 since we have to wait a bit before we can actually test it out.
 
[quote name='MadFlava']The Sanyo, HDMI will be needed for the next generation systems. I do hope it works with 360 and PS3 since we have to wait a bit before we can actually test it out.[/QUOTE]

No, this has not been confirmed.

I would not worry about this as there will always be the "blackbox" solution.

Ahh, our good buddies in China. They rock!



No you do not need the tuner to display HD. A tuner is just that a tuner. It tunes OTA (over/off the air) Digital Television Stations (ABC, NBC, FOX, UPN, WB, PBS type stations). It is useless for cable HD (and satellite) and useless for playing video games.
 
[quote name='supadupacheap']I personally LOVE Toshiba Tvs. Many people will argue that the Sonys win due to the flat trinitron tube and their very good dark levels.

That said, the Toshiba is a better tv IMO. Yes, Im biased but that selectable 16:9 is a very nice feature. Plus more composite inputs, and cheaper.[/QUOTE]

I have a Toshiba and love it.
 
Thanks guys. Here's another question. How big of a difference in picture quality is it between a TV that supports 720p/1080i vs. let's say the Toshiba I posted?
 
[quote name='Trakan']Thanks guys. Here's another question. How big of a difference in picture quality is it between a TV that supports 720p/1080i vs. let's say the Toshiba I posted?[/QUOTE]

it depends on what you are watching. standard definition signals, the television programs you are used to watching over the air, or over cable or satelite generally would look better on the toshiba you posted because it is a standard definition set. HDTVs have to scale the standard definition image up because they are capable of displaying higher resolutions. kind of like how if you have a 1600x1200 lcd monitor and you set your computer to 1024x768, it wont look as good because it has to scale the image up to 1600x1200. However, once you get a proper HD signal into an HDTV, it will blow your socks off. Go check out the hdtvs at circuit city or bestbuy, if they're setup properly you should see a huge difference. 720p is roughly equivalent to 1280x720 while your standard definition tv at 480i is roughly 320x240.

check out the FAQ at http://www.hdtvarcade.com/faq.htm they also have listings of each system and the games that have high definition support.
 
[quote name='dafoomie']I own the Philips. The Sanyo is better. No contest.

The picture doesn't really look any better, but the Sanyo is better in just about every way. Not to mention that Philips TV's break down more than most, Sanyo's break down the 2nd least.[/QUOTE]


Which break down the most/least?
 
[quote name='Trakan']Thanks guys. Here's another question. How big of a difference in picture quality is it between a TV that supports 720p/1080i vs. let's say the Toshiba I posted?[/QUOTE]

Night and day. You are talking standard TV vs. HDTV.

Now is not the time to buy a conventional set. If you must, I suggest hitting up craigslist for a used 27-32 incher that somebody is dumping to move ($250 max) All it has to do is last you a couple of years and youve gotten your money's worth.

If I just had to have a tv right now, Id prob. get one of the newer model Sanyos at Walmart for like $600. The difference in picture vs. the $500 Toshiba you show will be very noticable. Plus, if you game, once you try even EDTV (let alone HDTV) you ll never want to go back. Plus, it will make a nice backup set when you get whatever TV you ll have for years and years once the HDTV standard comes on board. (mmm... DLP projection...come to papa.)
 
[quote name='Trakan']Alright, thanks milkyman. How about the difference in picture quality while playing games?[/QUOTE]

Oh I see how it is Traken. I dont get no love? :lol:

Again, as he said, it all depends on the source. Xbox games are about the only ones that have a widespread proliferation of ED (480p) titles. I find a big enough difference between ED and standard that I have a tough tough time going back.

This will only be compounded when you are talking HDTV vs. standard. Its gonna look sick, you WONT go back.

That said though, to buy HDTV now you are hedging your bets against the future. Current standard def only games wont look as good on it but all xbox titles (480p) and anything next gen will look far far better on the HDTV.
 
Sanyo, much nicer features for a gamer... it supports 1080i, which kicks ass on all levels. And it has two component inputs.

The only advantage the Philips has is that it has side access inputs, otherwise those specs don't say much about the TV.
 
[quote name='Trakan']Alright, thanks milkyman. How about the difference in picture quality while playing games?[/QUOTE]


no contest there, if the game supports high definition modes, it will look way better on an hdtv. Almost all xbox games do at least 480p which should look fantastic on the sanyo and the philips, a couple of them like x-men will do 720p and one or two will do 1080i. i play halo2 on the philips set at 480P and would never go back to standard tv. Many Gamecube games also support 480P. Ps2 lags behind in this regard but there are still games on ps2 that are 480P capable, you just have to hold down a certain button combination to enable it in the game.

one thing to note is that in order to play games in 480P, you'll need to have component cables for your consoles. Microsoft sells the HDpack, Sony has component cables also. The Gamecube cable you'll have to import from lik-sang.com or any place that sells import games or buy directly from nintendo. Be careful though, newer gamecubes dont have the port for the component cables anymore. Nintendo does say they will trade gamecubes with you if you want that port though.

in response to the post above this one about 1080i, both the sanyo and the phillips should support 1080i, few games support that resolution in this generation though, i can only think of two, there may be a third or fourth. on xbox i know siberia does 1080i and Gran Tourismo 4 on ps2 does also. The sanyo has the edge in that it has an HDMI port which i think is pretty uncommon on these budget HDTVs.
 
[quote name='supadupacheap']Oh I see how it is Traken. I dont get no love? :lol:

Again, as he said, it all depends on the source. Xbox games are about the only ones that have a widespread proliferation of ED (480p) titles. I find a big enough difference between ED and standard that I have a tough tough time going back.

This will only be compounded when you are talking HDTV vs. standard. Its gonna look sick, you WONT go back.

That said though, to buy HDTV now you are hedging your bets against the future. Current standard def only games wont look as good on it but all xbox titles (480p) and anything next gen will look far far better on the HDTV.[/QUOTE]

:lol: Sorry.

Thanks supadupa. I'm mainly wanting Halo 2 to look awesome, as it's mainly the only game I play right now. This is a TV that's just going to go into my room, and it's just going to be standard cable. I don't have an HD Tuner or whatever else I need. I can't even get an HDTV with just a coaxial cable can I? I'd love the better picture, but I'm thinking the Toshiba is what I'm gonna have to get. Sorry I know literally nothing about TVs, so I may be speaking jibberish.
 
[quote name='Milkyman']one thing to note is that in order to play games in 480P, you'll need to have component cables for your consoles. Microsoft sells the HDpack, Sony has component cables also. The Gamecube cable you'll have to import from lik-sang.com or any place that sells import games or buy directly from nintendo. Be careful though, newer gamecubes dont have the port for the component cables anymore. Nintendo does say they will trade gamecubes with you if you want that port though.[/QUOTE]

Thanks. I'm planning on buying the MS HDpack the day I get the TV, and the PS2 one later. My GCN is a later model, so S-Video will have to do. Thanks again for all the help guys.
 
[quote name='Trakan']:lol: Sorry.

Thanks supadupa. I'm mainly wanting Halo 2 to look awesome, as it's mainly the only game I play right now. This is a TV that's just going to go into my room, and it's just going to be standard cable. I don't have an HD Tuner or whatever else I need. I can't even get an HDTV with just a coaxial cable can I? I'd love the better picture, but I'm thinking the Toshiba is what I'm gonna have to get. Sorry I know literally nothing about TVs, so I may be speaking jibberish.[/QUOTE]

Its ok. Just ribbing you. Hey, hit me up on AIM or MSN if you want. We can go over what you got and want to accomplish. Hell, Im running HD and it cost me less than $100 ;-)
 
What are some of the best looking HD games on the Xbox?

I hope I hooked my HD pack cables up right, cause I can't really tell much of a difference with them.
 
[quote name='Trakan']Thanks. I'm planning on buying the MS HDpack the day I get the TV, and the PS2 one later. My GCN is a later model, so S-Video will have to do. Thanks again for all the help guys.[/QUOTE]

wait, if you're buying the toshiba tv, it has only one compenent input and while component cables will give you better picture than s-video will even on an SDTV, the diference is not as dramatic as how much better s-video is than composite (composite is the standard cable the consoles come with). You might be perfectly satisfied with s-video and save some money.
 
[quote name='RawisJericho']What are some of the best looking HD games on the Xbox?

I hope I hooked my HD pack cables up right, cause I can't really tell much of a difference with them.[/QUOTE]

Dead or Alive Ultimate looks great on an HDTV, widescreen is awesome. I've never seen it on a regular tv though.
 
[quote name='RawisJericho']What are some of the best looking HD games on the Xbox?

I hope I hooked my HD pack cables up right, cause I can't really tell much of a difference with them.[/QUOTE]

You should see a greater detail in the games your playing.(I know I did when I played on a pc monitor with a x2vga)

Also make sure you xbox is set up to display in 480p or higher , turn it on in the xbox dashboard.
 
[quote name='js1']You should see a greater detail in the games your playing.(I know I did when I played on a pc monitor with a x2vga)

Also make sure you xbox is set up to display in 480p or higher , turn it on in the xbox dashboard.[/QUOTE]

I did all of that, maybe I'm just blind :cry:
 
[quote name='RawisJericho']I did all of that, maybe I'm just blind :cry:[/QUOTE]

i guess i can understand, people have different tolerances for this kind of stuff and 480P isnt really that much different than 480i. if your tv is HD and you don't have an over the air tuner and antena maybe you can "rent" a setup from circuit city and hook it up. watch Leno in HD, or any of the prime time tv shows and you should see a huge difference. I can see all of conan obrien's wrinkles when watching in 1080i... i had no idea how old he is.
 
[quote name='RawisJericho']I did all of that, maybe I'm just blind :cry:[/QUOTE]

another thing you could do is hook up your xbox to a non hd tv , then hook it up back to yours..
 
[quote name='Milkyman']i guess i can understand, people have different tolerances for this kind of stuff and 480P isnt really that much different than 480i. if your tv is HD and you don't have an over the air tuner and antena maybe you can "rent" a setup from circuit city and hook it up. watch Leno in HD, or any of the prime time tv shows and you should see a huge difference. I can see all of conan obrien's wrinkles when watching in 1080i... i had no idea how old he is.[/QUOTE]

I own the Sanyo, so I'll try hooking up an antenna to it and see if I can see the detail.
 
Alright, I'm bumping this again. I have another question. If I buy a HDTV Tuner/Receiver or an HDTV that already has a built in tuner, can I get HD quality television etc with standard cable? Again, I know nothing.
 
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