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White House keeping close tabs on London situation
By Associated Press
Thursday, July 21, 2005 - Updated: 09:24 AM EST

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WHITE HOUSE - The White House says President Bush has been briefed on the latest incidents in London's subway system.

Spokesman Scott McClellan says officials are ''monitoring the situation closely.''

He says the president was briefed by White House chief of staff Andy Card and National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley at the end of his regular intelligence briefing.
http://news.bostonherald.com/politics/view.bg?articleid=94740
 
:| I wish I knew if you were serious or just trying to belittle the President.

I'm going to hope that you were just trying to keep us informed.
 
[quote name='Derwood43']:| I wish I knew if you were serious or just trying to belittle the President.[/QUOTE]Why can't it be both?;)
 
See? If the british had invaded a foreign country with absolutely nothing to do with this, these bombings today would've never happened.
 
"Obey Allah and the Apostle. If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers." Sura 3:32​
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
"Obey Allah and the Apostle. If they pay no heed, then, surely, God does not love the unbelievers." Sura 3:32​
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NIV Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']NIV Matthew 7
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'[/QUOTE]

Finish that thought:

21 "Not R237 everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 "Many R238 will say to Me on that R239 day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' F134 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART R240 FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' 24 "Therefore everyone R241 who hears these words of Mine and acts F135 on them, may F136 be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 "And the rain fell, and the floods F137 came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act F138 on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 "The rain fell, and the floods F139 came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell--and great was its fall."

This passage has to do with people who hear what the bible has to say, and then choose a path. If they choose to believe, when they die, they'll go to heaven. If they don't believe the bible, when they die, he won't know who they are. He never had a relationship with them. This has nothing to do with God hating or loving anyone.
 
[quote name='Derwood43']Finish that thought:

21 "Not R237 everyone who says to Me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter. 22 "Many R238 will say to Me on that R239 day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' F134 23 "And then I will declare to them, `I never knew you; DEPART R240 FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.' 24 "Therefore everyone R241 who hears these words of Mine and acts F135 on them, may F136 be compared to a wise man who built his house on the rock. 25 "And the rain fell, and the floods F137 came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and yet it did not fall, for it had been founded on the rock. 26 "Everyone who hears these words of Mine and does not act F138 on them, will be like a foolish man who built his house on the sand. 27 "The rain fell, and the floods F139 came, and the winds blew and slammed against that house; and it fell--and great was its fall."

This passage has to do with people who hear what the bible has to say, and then choose a path. If they choose to believe, when they die, they'll go to heaven. If they don't believe the bible, when they die, he won't know who they are. He never had a relationship with them. This has nothing to do with God hating or loving anyone.[/QUOTE]

While worded differently from SK, they post have the same message: choose not to obey Allah or Christ, then God will not love you nor allow you access to heaven.
 
Even in context, I fail to see how the koran text is any better or worse

[3:30] The day will come when each soul will find all the good works it had done brought forth. As for the evil works, it will wish that they were far, far removed. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. GOD is Compassionate towards the people.

[3:31] Proclaim: "If you love GOD, you should follow me." GOD will then love you, and forgive your sins. GOD is Forgiver, Most Merciful.

[3:32] Proclaim: "You shall obey GOD and the messenger." If they turn away, GOD does not love the disbelievers.
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http://www.submission.org/suras/sura3.htm

It is referring to those who know god in the sense the text states, but leave that path.
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']While worded differently from SK, they post have the same message: choose not to obey Allah or Christ, then God will not love you nor allow you access to heaven.[/QUOTE]

You're throwing your own angle into it.

The Christian God doesn't hate someone becuase they don't believe in him. It simply states that he doesn't know them. Without getting to deep into theology, people don't get to heaven because the choose not to go. It's pretty simple, if you choose to accept him, you're in. If you blow him off, you're out.

To the Muslim Allah, I have no chance of getting into their heaven. I am an infidel. My beliefs do not line up with theirs, therefore I am an enemy. Not one to be loved or trusted.

The BIG difference between Muslim and Christian beliefs is love. At the base of Christianity is love for all, not just some. At the base Allah is love for some.
 
Hanging the understanding of thousand+ year old texts on a single word is foolish, considering all the mistranslations.

Though why don't you attack jews, since many of their scholars teach that a jew is more valuable and more worthy than anyone else.
 
[quote name='MrBadExample']"Nyah! Nyah! My invisible friend can beat up your invisible friend!"[/QUOTE]

:bs:
Ah yes. MrBadExample always brings the thought provoking issues to the forefront.


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One of my favorite god commentaries was done by george carlin:

You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Joe Pesci. Two reasons; first of all, I think he's a good actor. Okay. To me, that counts. Second; he looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't fuck around. Doesn't fuck around. In fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having trouble with. For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the barking dog. Joe Pesci straightened that cock-sucker out with one visit.

I noticed that of all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers that I now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50 percent rate. Half the time I get what I want. Half the time I don't. Same as God 50-50. Same as the four leaf clover, the horse shoe, the rabbit's foot, and the wishing well. Same as the mojo man. Same as the voodoo lady who tells your fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles. It's all the same; 50-50. So just pick your superstitions, sit back, make a wish and enjoy yourself.
And for those of you that look to the Bible for it's literary qualities and moral lessons; I got a couple other stories I might like to recommend for you. You might enjoy The Three Little Pigs. That's a good one. It has a nice happy ending. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood. Although it does have that one X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way. And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty Dumpty. The part I liked best: "and all the king's horses, and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty together again." That's because there is no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None. Not one. Never was. No God.
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[quote name='Derwood43']:bs:
Ah yes. MrBadExample always brings the thought provoking issues to the forefront.


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Your argument doesn't seem to rise above what MBE wrote.
 
[quote name='Derwood43']You're throwing your own angle into it.

The Christian God doesn't hate someone becuase they don't believe in him. It simply states that he doesn't know them. Without getting to deep into theology, people don't get to heaven because the choose not to go. It's pretty simple, if you choose to accept him, you're in. If you blow him off, you're out.[/quote]

The muslim god states that he "does not love you". That doesn't mean he hates you either.

[quote name='Derwood43']To the Muslim Allah, I have no chance of getting into their heaven. I am an infidel. My beliefs do not line up with theirs, therefore I am an enemy. Not one to be loved or trusted.[/quote]

And you have a chance of getting into a christian heaven if you don't believe in Christ?
 
[quote name='Derwood43']At the base of Christianity is love for all, not just some.[/QUOTE]

There appears to be a wee bit o' room for debate on that one:
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You're throwing your own angle into it.
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Oh, yes, of course...that, you know, is the very FOUNDATION for all religions!
 
[quote name='E-Z-B']The muslim god states that he "does not love you". That doesn't mean he hates you either.



And you have a chance of getting into a christian heaven if you don't believe in Christ?[/QUOTE]



1. Allah doesn't like people. It's either love or hate. For or against. Sith or Jedi.


2. I thought this was pretty clear. You can NOT get into heaven if you don't believe in Christ. It's not a matter of him loving you. It's a matter of you choosing to love him back.


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Originally Posted by Derwood43
At the base of Christianity is love for all, not just some.



There appears to be a wee bit o' room for debate on that one:
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Quote:
You're throwing your own angle into it.


Oh, yes, of course...that, you know, is the very FOUNDATION for all religions!
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If you'll actually read all my post you'll see that I said "at the base". Not the extremes. Quit trying to bait an argument. We're having a conversation. Posting that picture is no different than PAD posting that all Muslims are the same. Honestly.
 
So, my posting that christians vary in their belief is the same as saying that no muslims vary in theirs? huh?

Also, your "Allah loves or hates" argument versus "choosing to love Jesus" is a poor argument, simply because you're changing the active agent in each. In the first, you're pointing at Allah as the locus of causality (it is Allah who decides to love or decides to hate). In the second, you are using the average person as the locus of causality (that person's decision to live a life in Christ's name determines their postmortem outcome).

That argument is logically flawed, and if you correct it, makes one important point that you're likely ignoring on purpose. For the matter, let's focus on the average person as the agent of causality in BOTH religions.

You choose to follow Christ, or you choose to ignore Christ. Does it have an impact on your postmortem outcome? According to most Christians, yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

(ahem, C&P)

You choose to follow Allah, or you choose to ignore Allah. Does it have an impact on your postmortem outcome? According to most Muslims, yes, yes, a thousand times yes.

Do Christians proselytize to convert nonbelievers? Jack Chick would be making donuts for a living if that wasn't the case. Of course they try to convert. Do they occasionally kill nonbelievers? Eric Rudolph says "yep."

Do Muslims proselytize to nonbelievers? Although I have little experience in this area, I'll bet they sure as hell do. Do they occasionally kill nonbelievers? Osama bin Laden says "yep."

There. If you want to ignore that there are people who disagree with you about the christian god's ability to hate, that's fine. Consider my substantive argument to be the above, then.
 
I think in Islam if you have not been exposed to the koran (and therefore can't reject it) you can still go to paradase, or at maybe something lesser but still good. I'm not sure on that though.
 
[quote name='Derwood43']The Christian God doesn't hate someone becuase they don't believe in him. It simply states that he doesn't know them.[/QUOTE]

And now the LORD Almighty says: Because you have not listened to me, I will gather together all the armies of the north under King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, whom I have appointed as my deputy. I will bring them all against this land and its people and against the other nations near you. I will completely destroy you and make you an object of horror and contempt and a ruin forever. I will take away your happy singing and laughter. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard. Your businesses will fail, and all your homes will stand silent and dark. This entire land will become a desolate wasteland.(Jeremiah 25:8-11 NLT)
 
[quote name='camoor']And now the LORD Almighty says: Because you have not listened to me, I will gather together all the armies of the north under King Nebuchadnezzar of Babylon, whom I have appointed as my deputy. I will bring them all against this land and its people and against the other nations near you. I will completely destroy you and make you an object of horror and contempt and a ruin forever. I will take away your happy singing and laughter. The joyful voices of bridegrooms and brides will no longer be heard. Your businesses will fail, and all your homes will stand silent and dark. This entire land will become a desolate wasteland.(Jeremiah 25:8-11 NLT)[/QUOTE]

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But...AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWW!!!!
 
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But...AAAAAAAAHHHHHHH LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVE YEEEEEEEEEEEEWWWW!!!![/QUOTE]
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Since we're talking about quranic and biblical verses, here's some interesting ones on women.

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"As in all the congregations of the saints, women should remain silent in the churches. They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says. If they want to inquire about something, they should ask their own husbands at home; for it is disgraceful for a woman to speak in the church. Did the word of God originate with you? Or are you the only people it has reached?" (1 Cor. 14:33b-36 NIV).
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bible

Timothy 2:11-12 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence
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“Now I want you to realize that the head of every man is Christ, and the head of the woman is man, and the head of Christ is God. Every man who prays or prophesies with his head covered dishonours his head. And every woman who prays or prophesies with her head uncovered dishonours her head - it is just as though her head were shaved. If a woman does not cover her head, she should have her hair cut off; and if it is a disgrace for a woman to have her hair cut off or shaved off, she should cover her head. A man ought not to cover his head, since he is the image and glory of God; but the woman is the glory of man. For man did not come from woman, but woman from man; neither was man created for woman, but woman for man. For this reason, and because of the angels, the woman ought to have a sign of authority on her head” (I Corinthians 11:3-10).
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“Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty……And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms….” (24:30,31).
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“O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women that they should cast their outer garments over their bodies (when abroad) so that they should be known and not molested” (33:59).
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And those who launch a charge against chaste women, and produce not four witnesses (to support their allegations)- Flog them with eighty stripes; and reject their evidence ever after: for such men are wicked transgressors”(24:4).
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bible

“If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl’s father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives” (Deut. 22:28-30).
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[24:33] ……..You shall not force your girls to commit prostitution, seeking the materials of this world, if they wish to be chaste. If anyone forces them, then GOD, seeing that they are forced, is Forgiver, Merciful. ​
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