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eldergamer

eldergamer

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This is sort of why the city of Portland just gets on my nerves sometimes.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1201325108143650.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

It's this elitist attitude they have.
But seriously, are you so full of yourself, that you feel a need to 'reach-out' to non-whites to make sure they believe in the same things you do? Don't you think if black, hispanic, asian, etc were as worked about this as you, they'd be out doing something? Or do they need your "help"? White man's burden....
 
You strike me as a the kind of irresponsible, mentally small, self-centered dumbass who wouldn't be a part of an environmental group to begin with - so what exactly chaps your ass about a group you're not a member of?

This is like me getting pissed because the pro-life movement is trying to grow beyond old white people.

This also doesn't, of course, deal with the underlying economic issues that preclude involvement in such groups (e.g., the money it costs to be "green" and the time resources are typically unavailable to working and lower-class folks, of which those racial groups are more typically members than the other way around).
 
[quote name='mykevermin']This is like me getting pissed because the pro-life movement is trying to grow beyond old white people.[/QUOTE]

Sorry to get off topic, but I have to point out this is entirely incorrect. Not only is about half the country pro-life (old white people are hardly half the country), but:

Twenty percent of those polled were ages 18-29. Of this group, 60 percent said abortion should never be legal or be legal only when the mother's life is in danger or in cases of rape and incest, as opposed to 39 percent who favored abortion for any reason during the first trimester, the first and second trimester, or all three trimesters.
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http://www.jknirp.com/mark2.htm
 
[quote name='elprincipe']


http://www.jknirp.com/mark2.htm[/quote]


I question that poll greatly. First off their is no links to the pollster or even a link the story on CNS. Plus it really depends on the questions they were asked. Leading questions could easily push a survey either way.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']I question that poll greatly. First off their is no links to the pollster or even a link the story on CNS. Plus it really depends on the questions they were asked. Leading questions could easily push a survey either way.[/QUOTE]

Regardless, it is ignorant to state that the pro-life movement is only made up of old white people.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Regardless, it is ignorant to state that the pro-life movement is only made up of old white people.[/quote]



well most of america is white, and there is an ever increasing old population, not saying its right, but its possible
 
http://www.pollingreport.com/abortion.htm

They've got some good collected polling data on this. The most recent? When you combine the leaners it's about 57% to 40% legal over illegal. That was from early January 2008. All in all, since about '96, (as far back as polling I can find goes), the public opinion has been about the same. I think people are shuffling a little away from "Legal in All Cases" if only becaue there are those who don't mind having late-term abortions (last trimester or partial birth as some call it) being made illegal.
 
[quote name='Ikohn4ever']well most of america is white, and there is an ever increasing old population, not saying its right, but its possible[/QUOTE]

So along those lines of reasoning, since 50% of the prison population is black, therefore black people are more likely commit crimes. Not saying it's right, but it's possible.

Back to the topic, only wealthier people have the luxury to devote their time and money to those sorts of causes and because of the income divide between minorities and whites, it shouldn't be a surprise that the vast majority of people in those organizations are white. This hypersensitivity to race is really getting ridiculous. Perhaps as an Asian, I should be decrying the lack of Asian players in professional sports leagues as a clear case of racism; after all, there's never been an Asian head coach of major sports team ever!
 
So eldergamer, is it your position that disproportionally white groups should not attempt to seek out the advantages of diversity or do you just hate the environment?
 
[quote name='pittpizza']So eldergamer, is it your position that disproportionally white groups should not attempt to seek out the advantages of diversity or do you just hate the environment?[/quote]

Hardy har-har. :roll:

I agree with dopa on this. If these groups want to focus on getting ppl of all economic layers to realize the benefits of enviornmentalism (particularly the cost-saving green technology you can implement to do things such as lower your heating/AC bill) that's a noble goal.

However what they are proposing seems silly to me.
 
[quote name='camoor']Hardy har-har. :roll:

I agree with dopa on this. If these groups want to focus on getting ppl of all economic layers to realize the benefits of enviornmentalism (particularly the cost-saving green technology you can implement to do things such as lower your heating/AC bill) that's a noble goal.

However what they are proposing seems silly to me.[/quote]


Not quite what they said. If they had mentioned lower-income, sure. But they specificaly singled out "non-whites" which of course as we all know, are poor. And they don't care about the enviornment on their own, and need white poeple's help to do anything. It's just insulting, really. If any of these well-off white people had any brown friends in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue.

For me this has nothing to do about the enviornment or diversity. I support both those causes, honestly. I'm just bothered one group feeling that their cause is more superior, and they feel the need to share it with others. (It just seems implied)
 
[quote name='eldergamer']Not quite what they said. If they had mentioned lower-income, sure. But they specificaly singled out "non-whites" which of course as we all know, are poor. And they don't care about the enviornment on their own, and need white poeple's help to do anything. It's just insulting, really. If any of these well-off white people had any brown friends in the first place, this wouldn't be an issue.

For me this has nothing to do about the enviornment or diversity. I support both those causes, honestly. I'm just bothered one group feeling that their cause is more superior, and they feel the need to share it with others. (It just seems implied)[/quote]

To clarify - I know what they said. I disagree with them and agree with Dopa - particularly where he said "hypersensitivity to race is really getting ridiculous"
 
[quote name='elprincipe']Sorry to get off topic, but I have to point out this is entirely incorrect. Not only is about half the country pro-life (old white people are hardly half the country), but:


http://www.jknirp.com/mark2.htm[/QUOTE]

To be fair, mine was a hypothetical. I won't ignore that you're right, however you're comparing attitude versus involvement. More people have favorable attitudes towards being environmentally friendly than, say, build and maintain greenspaces, recycle, pay attention to the containers their products come in, look at MPG when buying a new vehicle, and so on.

So, while you're right about attitudes, I'm not convinced that the same people who are active in protesting Planned Parenthood centers and whatnot are as varied as people who hold pro-life positions.
 
Good points made by all.

I'm not so quick to conclude that poor people categorically don't care about the environment. I know nobody said that and some are just pointing out that, generally speaking the impoverished can't afford to care about the environment as much as the wealthy (leaving race aside for ivory tower purposes), but:
1). As the article correctly points out, it is the poor who bear the brunt of the harm of environmental abuse and pollution.
2). Many of the most dedicated environmentalists live extremely modest lives. Sure they may be the hairy legged daughter of a steel industrialist but this stereotype is no more than that.

I'm not saying anyone is wrong and I understand the reasoning that it is expensive to "go green", I'd be interested to see some facts.

I also share the sentiments about racial hypersensitivty but would just like to point out that no two people have the exact same level of sensitivity, and it is better than the opposite extreme.
 
Ugh.

Back to hiding at home, where I'm not black or white or /any/ ethnicity in particular.
 
[quote name='eldergamer']This is sort of why the city of Portland just gets on my nerves sometimes.
http://www.oregonlive.com/news/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/news/1201325108143650.xml&coll=7&thispage=1

It's this elitist attitude they have.
But seriously, are you so full of yourself, that you feel a need to 'reach-out' to non-whites to make sure they believe in the same things you do? Don't you think if black, hispanic, asian, etc were as worked about this as you, they'd be out doing something? Or do they need your "help"? White man's burden....[/quote]

Are you a Black Panther? ;)

[quote name='VanillaGorilla']White people are pretty cool. I'm glad I am one of them, even though college would be much cheaper if I wasn't.[/quote]

So true...
 
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