Will Sony and Nintendo ever release handheld games as playable on consoles?

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I've been wondering since Sony started releasing more PS1 games and has placed more emphasis on the PSP again, if they'd ever have an emulation program built into the OS that would allow us to play handheld games through the PS3? With the release of the GO, all future releases will be available for digital download through the PSN store and it'd open a new market for those of us who are interested in the games without buying the hardware. I know there's some titles like the new MGS or the older GoW that I'd like to play but I have zero desire to buy a PSP since I have a DS already (don't like the nubby analog stick either). Sure the graphics would look horrible, but it can't be worse than the PS1 re-releases and a smoothing option would help.

Same with the DS.. now that WiiWare/DSiWare has been established, it's another case of releasing software and allowing for digital distribution to let the cash roll in. I know they already ported some games up like Trauma Center and Cooking Mama, so the market is there. A silouetted cursor could easily stand in as a stylus in most cases.

Just a thought I've had.. anyone think there's any chance this would happen?
 
Chance? Sure, there's a chance. Is it likely? No. How come? For the very reason you stated--if they did it you'd have no reason to ever buy their handheld system. Those exclusive titles are incentives to get you to buy their system. The thinking being that once you own the system, you'd buy additional titles.
 
[quote name='elwood731']Chance? Sure, there's a chance. Is it likely? No. How come? For the very reason you stated--if they did it you'd have no reason to ever buy their handheld system. Those exclusive titles are incentives to get you to buy their system. The thinking being that once you own the system, you'd buy additional titles.[/QUOTE]

I completely understand that, but let's be honest.. how much sense does it make? Hardware sales are solid.. people want gaming on the go. If you want a portable system you probably already have one and I have to believe that a lot of new sales are people who want to upgrade, not break in (This is probably debatable, but not my main point). I have to wonder if the profit margin on the hardware is that favorable that they will rely on exclusives to move units rather than incur the opportunity costs of consumers willing to pay directly to download. The core mission and philosophy will still remain on portable gaming first, but why not open the market to an expanded audience if the distribution channel is already there?
 
A good number of PSP games been ported back to the PSP, such as Ratchet, Twisted Metal, and Silent Hill. However there will always be exclusive like Metal Gear and God of War
 
I don't see it for the same reason. They make a lot of money on handheld hardware.

Well, at least Nintendo always has. I have no idea how much Sony makes on the PSP, or if they were selling them at a loss for a long time etc.

But Nintendo's handhelds generally are sold at a profit from the start, and that increases as parts get cheaper over the devices lifespan etc.

Put the games out on consoles, and you just cut out a lot of portable sells to people who buy them just to play those games (rather than for the portability).
 
[quote name='QiG']
I know they already ported some games up like Trauma Center and Cooking Mama, so the market is there. A silouetted cursor could easily stand in as a stylus in most cases. [/QUOTE]

Those are third party games.
 
:whistle2:# Ok, the point wasn't about third party games or the profit margin.. the point is that there are people, like me, who have no intention of spending $169.99 or $249.99 on PSP hardware. BUT since they are already putting up PSP games for download through the PSN store, why not release software that allows us to play as well. To break it down more simply:

As of now:
Sony doesn't get $$ from me for hardware OR software

This idea:
Sony doesn't get $$ from me for hardware, but they do get money from me for software.. the only additional cost to Sony is a small one time emulation development (probably already exists) and the tiny bit of bandwidth from extra PSN store sales.

Even simpler:

$20 PSN store download sales > $0 sales
 
But then you run into the problem of is possibly cannabalizing the hardware sales: the 'If I can get this on the PS3, why should I get it on the PSP?' problem.

It's sort of like the reverse situation of yours.
 
Nintendo has released several peripherals that you could use to play hand held games on the console (see Super Game Boy and Game Boy Player), but I have my doubts that we'll ever see hand held emulation on a Nintendo console without an additional peripheral. Nintendo tends to sell all of their consoles at a profit, so I doubt they're going to do something that will jeopardize their hardware sales seriously.
 
sony released some psp games on the ps2. one was a ratchet and clank game recenlty and another i recall was a gta game ( liberty city wars i think ).
 
[quote name='QiG']:whistle2:# Ok, the point wasn't about third party games or the profit margin.. the point is that there are people, like me, who have no intention of spending $169.99 or $249.99 on PSP hardware. BUT since they are already putting up PSP games for download through the PSN store, why not release software that allows us to play as well. To break it down more simply:

As of now:
Sony doesn't get $$ from me for hardware OR software

This idea:
Sony doesn't get $$ from me for hardware, but they do get money from me for software.. the only additional cost to Sony is a small one time emulation development (probably already exists) and the tiny bit of bandwidth from extra PSN store sales.

Even simpler:

$20 PSN store download sales > $0 sales[/QUOTE]

They are hoping that there will eventually be that one game you might play and you will break down and get the system. Then you will have to buy the system and every game you been meaning to play and well as new games
 
Put it this way: are there people who want this to happen that already own PSPs? I've never felt the need for a second handheld, even though there are a few games that I would want to play on the device.

Licensing may be another issue: Is Sony able to charge publishers separate fees for tools and development of PSP games and PS3/PSN games? If they are, it would take a lot more than $20 in sales to make up for the difference, especially when the developers would no longer be able to "double dip" on games like Puzzle Quest or Echochrome.

I do echo the sentiments, however; it would be nice to see a spiritual successor to the Super Game Boy / GBA adapter for the NGC. I think Sony would prefer trying to perfect either a killer app, or a critical mass of quality games that would induce someone to buy a PSP, rather than giving up on the hardware. In another year or two....they might be more open to the idea.
 
[quote name='bjkrautk']
Licensing may be another issue: Is Sony able to charge publishers separate fees for tools and development of PSP games and PS3/PSN games? If they are, it would take a lot more than $20 in sales to make up for the difference, especially when the developers would no longer be able to "double dip" on games like Puzzle Quest or Echochrome.[/QUOTE]

This is a good point, I know they announced the PSP Development kit dropped something crazy like 80% and I'd have to wonder how it compares to a PSN game developers kit.

[quote name='bjkrautk']
I do echo the sentiments, however; it would be nice to see a spiritual successor to the Super Game Boy / GBA adapter for the NGC. I think Sony would prefer trying to perfect either a killer app, or a critical mass of quality games that would induce someone to buy a PSP, rather than giving up on the hardware. In another year or two....they might be more open to the idea.[/QUOTE]

I wouldn't suggest that they give up on hardware or stop making PSP specific games at all.. but just so that there's cross platform compatibility like they have with the PSone downloads in the PSN store. You can download the game once and play it either through the PS3 or copy it to your memory stick to play on the go through PSP. Since they will be selling all future PSP games through the PSN store anyway, why not not them playable on PS3? I know with my DS there's a lot of games I'll only get if they're pick up and go because I don't really spend a lot of time in one sitting with it 90% of the time, but there are a ton of deep RPGs and other games that I just skip altogether because I know they're time sinks.
Since the FFVII re-release, I've seen numerous people ask if saves are transferrable between systems and that's what got me thinking about this.
 
[quote name='QiG']I wouldn't suggest that they give up on hardware or stop making PSP specific games at all.. but just so that there's cross platform compatibility like they have with the PSone downloads in the PSN store. You can download the game once and play it either through the PS3 or copy it to your memory stick to play on the go through PSP. Since they will be selling all future PSP games through the PSN store anyway, why not not them playable on PS3? I know with my DS there's a lot of games I'll only get if they're pick up and go because I don't really spend a lot of time in one sitting with it 90% of the time, but there are a ton of deep RPGs and other games that I just skip altogether because I know they're time sinks.

Since the FFVII re-release, I've seen numerous people ask if saves are transferrable between systems and that's what got me thinking about this.[/QUOTE]

No one is arguing that this wouldn't be a good thing for you and others. No one is arguing that Sony isn't losing some money off of sales. What some of us are arguing is that Sony fears if they did this it will kill the reasoning for many to buy a PSP, because they like you already own a DS for portable games and a PS3 for console games. and the PSP emulation. Sony is concerned with killing their own market. A few people here and there don't buy a PSP since they can play the games on the PS3, and suddenly fewer developers want to make games for the PSP.

None of us know the real economic breakdown of it, but I can guarantee you that both Sony and Nintendo have looked into it.
 
[quote name='elwood731']No one is arguing that this wouldn't be a good thing for you and others. No one is arguing that Sony isn't losing some money off of sales. What some of us are arguing is that Sony fears if they did this it will kill the reasoning for many to buy a PSP, because they like you already own a DS for portable games and a PS3 for console games. and the PSP emulation. Sony is concerned with killing their own market. A few people here and there don't buy a PSP since they can play the games on the PS3, and suddenly fewer developers want to make games for the PSP.

None of us know the real economic breakdown of it, but I can guarantee you that both Sony and Nintendo have looked into it.[/QUOTE]

That's a good point, but its not like they have that many PS3s sold, to a point where it could actually hurt PSP Sales. I think of it as an extra benefit to owning both consoles (PSP & PS3). I think that there is a compromise that should make it so that you MUST have a PSP connected to the system in order to to play the PSP game via PS3. I think its a good feature but its up to Sony to actually implement it.
 
It would be cool if they developed a sort of 'reverse remote' system where connect your PSP to your PS3 and control it with the PS3 Controller while the screen is projected on to your TV

Plus: while the PSP is connected to the PS3 any PSN PSP game you have ca be played from the PS3's hard drive w/ the six axis on the TV

Sony are you reading this??
 
[quote name='Romis']It would be cool if they developed a sort of 'reverse remote' system where connect your PSP to your PS3 and control it with the PS3 Controller while the screen is projected on to your TV

Plus: while the PSP is connected to the PS3 any PSN PSP game you have ca be played from the PS3's hard drive w/ the six axis on the TV

Sony are you reading this??[/QUOTE]
Try it with Resistance Retribution.
 
There's probably some piracy reason why it's not happening. I could see Nintendo doing it, if, you know, they ever got some kind of unified service for both their devices.
 
poch - as I mentioned, I'm in the mindset of a handheld system is for playing on the go (read: toilet) so as far as I'm concerned I will always have a use for handheld systems. I just think it'd be a nice kickback for people who have both or for those just not interested in a handheld whatsoever. But... as been pointed out it goes against Sony's business strategy.

Those sons of bitches will win this round for now at least.. thanks to the amazon trade-in deal, looks like I'll be grabbing a PSP if everything pans out alright for me.. but I'm doing it begrudingly. :D
 
Yeah I've always wondered this.

Nintendo did have that thing you plugged gameboy games into the snes with. Super gameboy or whatever.

Would love to be able to some of the DS games that are out on my wii and psp on my ps3.
 
I'm surprised Nintendo hasn't done something like this with the Wii, sales in Japan aren't great compared to handhelds (which seems to be the current trend in Japan). I'm sure a DS enbabled Wii or a Gameboy Player type addon would sell pretty well.
 
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