WMDs found in Iraq

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Not really. This is just the claim made by a rather remarkably stupid congressman, Chris Cox from California, at a recent Conservative Political Action Conference.

"America's Operation Iraqi Freedom is still producing shock and awe, this time among the blame-America-first crowd," he crowed. Then he said, "We continue to discover biological and chemical weapons and facilities to make them inside Iraq." Apparently, most of the hundreds of people in attendance already knew about these remarkable, hitherto-unreported discoveries, because no one gasped at this startling revelation.

Other speakers at the conference included Dick Cheney, Newt Gingrich, Henry Hyde and Karl Rove. Zell Miller presented a special "Courage Under Fire" award to the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth.

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[quote name='camoor'][quote name='zionoverfire'][quote name='Drocket']I figured it would be guaranteed a few reads that way :twisted:[/quote]

Yeah to bad drunk camoor isn't here to read this. He made a rather funny OT topic last night.

http://www.cheapassgamer.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51633[/quote]

Haha. I keep my OT topics separate from the VS board. From what I've read on the OT board, I'm not the only one who's drunk and posting there.[/quote]

I don't know of anyone who gets drunk and pops up on the OT board. :oops:
 
We have already come to the conlusion that Iraq did not have WMD'S,but I would find it funny if we do actually find them burried in the desert and no one would believe it thinking it's a farse.
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']We have already come to the conlusion that Iraq did not have WMD'S,but I would find it funny if we do actually find them burried in the desert and no one would believe it thinking it's a farse.[/quote]

The next administration would have to find it. The bush administration has lied, or at least stretched the truth, so many times that it has little to no credibility, especially when dealing with a subject such as wmd's. But considering how there isn't really any evidence besides "it's saddam, they had to be there!", it's extremely unlikely we'd ever find anything. The bumper sticker should have read "ignorance is bush" not "ignorance is blix".
 
[quote name='MrFriday18']We have already come to the conlusion that Iraq did not have WMD'S,but I would find it funny if we do actually find them burried in the desert and no one would believe it thinking it's a farse.[/quote]

More likely what was there, since we know at one point there were WMD there, was taken to Syria or even Iran (much more likely Syria). Or it could be hidden or even destroyed, but who really knows. I would guess most likely they had less than we claimed and whatever was there is probably in Syria, as they had plenty of warning of the war and time to move stuff to Syria.
 
It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:
 
[quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

But inspectors said the weapons had been long destroyed, and there really isn't any evidence that weapons were there recently. Going purely by evidence, the weapons weren't there when bush started the whole Iraq bit.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

yeah it is too bad the government can't invent something that could take pictures /watch borders from space. That would be AWESOME!!!
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

yeah it is too bad the government can't invent something that could take pictures /watch borders from space. That would be AWESOME!!![/quote]

The sarcasm from this flows so much I almost slipped and fell. Well done.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

yeah it is too bad the government can't invent something that could take pictures /watch borders from space. That would be AWESOME!!![/quote]

Wow, the new super duper x-ray satellite, the one that can see inside trucks and other vehicles*, is out already? Wowwee!

*not to mention other stuff. Remember, things like biological and chemical weapons aren't like a nuclear missile. A small amount of anthrax can go a very long way, for example. Someone could have carried stuff in their backpack across the border as far as we know.
 
[quote name='neopolss'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

yeah it is too bad the government can't invent something that could take pictures /watch borders from space. That would be AWESOME!!![/quote]

The sarcasm from this flows so much I almost slipped and fell. Well done.[/quote]

The stupidity flows even more.

Oh, yeah and make sure to let me know when the satelite that can look through walls comes out. :roll:
 
We haven't even found any evidence that his weapons programs had been restarted. The only evidence of a weapons program I heard about was the stuff they dug out of that scientist's flower garden. And it had been buried for 10 years.

From a conservative site:
What U.S. forces found:

A single artillery shell filled with two chemicals that, when mixed while the shell was in flight, would have created sarin. U.S. forces learned of it only when insurgents, apparently believing it was filled with conventional explosives, tried to detonate it as a roadside bomb in May in Baghdad. Two U.S. soldiers suffered from symptoms of low-level exposure to the nerve agent. The shell was from Saddam's pre-1991 stockpile.

Another old artillery shell, also rigged as a bomb and found in May, showed signs it once contained mustard agent.

Two small rocket warheads, turned over to Polish troops by an informer, that showed signs they once were filled with sarin.

Centrifuge parts buried in a former nuclear scientist's garden in Baghdad. These were part of Saddam's pre-1991 nuclear program, which was dismantled after the 1991 Persian Gulf War. The scientist also had centrifuge design documents.

A vial of live botulinum toxin, which can be used as a biological weapon, in another scientist's refrigerator. The scientist said it had been there since 1993.

Evidence of advanced design work on a liquid-propellant missile with ranges of up to 620 miles. Since the 1991 Gulf War, Iraq had been p
 
The scary thing is still what happened to the stuff we know he did have? The inspectors logged at some point that he had a certain amount of chemical weapons, etc., and we know he gassed the Kurds. Did he destroy them? If so, why didn't he provide more access to the inspectors or some kind of witnesses to their destruction or documentation before the invasion? If not, what happened to them? Are they in Syria, Iran, buried somewhere, hidden in some super-secret bunker? I sure hope we find out, and not on the receiving end.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'] If so, why didn't he provide more access to the inspectors or some kind of witnesses to their destruction or documentation before the invasion? .[/quote]

Ever play poker? You can't bluff if you show your hand first.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

yeah it is too bad the government can't invent something that could take pictures /watch borders from space. That would be AWESOME!!![/quote]

Wait a minute, we can't invade poor Saddam's privacy, that would be a Violation of his Civil Rights.

I agree with Elprincipe: He had some. Where are they now? He didn't just flush them down the toilet. They're either hidden so well it'll take years and luck to find them [since, after all, we did give him like 11 years to hide them], or they've been given/sold to other parties--best case, nations who want them as a bargaining chip, worst case, some lone psychos or terrorists.
 
It seems like many has an idea (saddam still had chemical weapons) and is trying to find evidence to support that. It is usually better to allow the evidence to lead you to your conclusion, not try to force the conclusion to lead you to evidence.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23']It seems like many has an idea (saddam still had chemical weapons) and is trying to find evidence to support that. It is usually better to allow the evidence to lead you to your conclusion, not try to force the conclusion to lead you to evidence.[/quote]

*spurs jingling*
You ain't from around here. Are you, Boy? That ain't how we do things in Bush Country.
*tumbleweed rolls by*
 
[quote name='Scrubking']
Oh, yeah and make sure to let me know when the satelite that can look through walls comes out. :roll:[/quote]

Ask Colin Powell about those. They came in quite handy during his UN speech.
 
[quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe'] If so, why didn't he provide more access to the inspectors or some kind of witnesses to their destruction or documentation before the invasion? .[/quote]

Ever play poker? You can't bluff if you show your hand first.[/quote]

But surely he must have heard the arguments for invasion here. They were WMD, WMD, WMD, as Republicans would like you to conveniently forget. Even though I'm not sure of the intelligence level of a brutal dictator like Saddam, someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.
 
[quote name='elprincipe']someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.[/quote]
They did, which is why Iraq agreed to give inspectors complete access to anything they wanted to see shortly before the invasion began. Bush simply didn't care, pulled the inspectors out and invaded anyway.

The simple fact is that Bush never cared about what Iraq had or didn't have. He wanted to invade - he did. Everything else was just a public facade to sway the public to his side.
 
[quote name='elprincipe'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='elprincipe'] If so, why didn't he provide more access to the inspectors or some kind of witnesses to their destruction or documentation before the invasion? .[/quote]

Ever play poker? You can't bluff if you show your hand first.[/quote]

But surely he must have heard the arguments for invasion here. They were WMD, WMD, WMD, as Republicans would like you to conveniently forget. Even though I'm not sure of the intelligence level of a brutal dictator like Saddam, someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.[/quote]

I think he knew it was coming no matter what he did. Also his rule was based on terror, he had to keep up that front as long as possible to his enemies AND his people.

Think about it. If he had said "whoops sorry guys I was lying and don't have any WMDs and haven't for a couple years" he would look like an utter fool.

Now I am not saying this is the only hypothetical but IMO a most logical one.
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='neopolss'][quote name='usickenme'][quote name='Scrubking']It's not like they new we where coming months in advance. There's no way they could have hidden, moved or destroyed their weapons. :roll:[/quote]

yeah it is too bad the government can't invent something that could take pictures /watch borders from space. That would be AWESOME!!![/quote]

The sarcasm from this flows so much I almost slipped and fell. Well done.[/quote]

The stupidity flows even more.

Oh, yeah and make sure to let me know when the satelite that can look through walls comes out. :roll:[/quote]

Let me know when you stop relying on conspiracy theories to prove your point.
 
[quote name='Drocket'][quote name='elprincipe']someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.[/quote]
They did, which is why Iraq agreed to give inspectors complete access to anything they wanted to see shortly before the invasion began. Bush simply didn't care, pulled the inspectors out and invaded anyway.

The simple fact is that Bush never cared about what Iraq had or didn't have. He wanted to invade - he did. Everything else was just a public facade to sway the public to his side.[/quote]

Actually, they never fully cooperated. Even Hans Blix, a strong proponent for letting inspections continue as the best course of action, said as much.
 
[quote name='Drocket'][quote name='elprincipe']someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.[/quote]
They did, which is why Iraq agreed to give inspectors complete access to anything they wanted to see shortly before the invasion began. [/quote]

Yeah, Hussein was serving tea and cookies too as he gave the inspectors full access to everything they wanted!

You people's brainwashed drivel amazes me more everyday.

I bet you are gonna say that the UN is fully cooperating with the oil for food investigations too. :roll:
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='Drocket'][quote name='elprincipe']someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.[/quote]
They did, which is why Iraq agreed to give inspectors complete access to anything they wanted to see shortly before the invasion began. [/quote]

Yeah, Hussein was serving tea and cookies too as he gave the inspectors full access to everything they wanted!

You people's brainwashed drivel amazes me more everyday.

I bet you are gonna say that the UN is fully cooperating with the oil for food investigations too. :roll:[/quote]


You'd have a much better argument if the u.s. was actually correct, and there were wmd, and that the inspections missed the wmd's that were there. There is no evidence to suggest any of that is true.
 
[quote name='alonzomourning23'][quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='Drocket'][quote name='elprincipe']someone over there must have realized that putting some doubt into these justifications would have at least delayed, if not stopped, the war.[/quote]
They did, which is why Iraq agreed to give inspectors complete access to anything they wanted to see shortly before the invasion began. [/quote]

Yeah, Hussein was serving tea and cookies too as he gave the inspectors full access to everything they wanted!

You people's brainwashed drivel amazes me more everyday.

I bet you are gonna say that the UN is fully cooperating with the oil for food investigations too. :roll:[/quote]


You'd have a much better argument if the u.s. was actually correct, and there were wmd, and that the inspections missed the wmd's that were there. There is no evidence to suggest any of that is true.[/quote]

Alonzo, if all that were true, SK would have a pretty bad arguement, but all he has now is the fruit of Bush's lies.

All that SK can do now is commisserate with his band of flag-waving Jesus-heads who don't realize that they have been lied to from the very start by Our Leader.
 
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