Woman gets flu shot, triggers rare nuerological disorder and now she can't walk

House will know what to do.

Edit: I guess I'm going to hell with Knotfan, also... with the recent things in the news about "hoax" it's hard to take some of this stuff seriously.
 
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Anything that is introduced into your system, especially vaccines, can trigger or be a factor is some kind of damage. It's a risky thing, but as reported, extremely rare.
Gotta figure out if you want the chances of getting sick and dieing vs getting the shot with side effects.
I got a shot this year, but I think it will be my last one ever.
 
First off, I feel terrible for her. I can't even imagine what that must be like. When she does manage to run or walk backwards and manages to be "normal" for a bit, her entire body must ache from the muscle spasms.

Second.. agreed in that there's no clear link between the flu vaccine and this. It happened ten days after her shot. You would think it would happen in the first 48 hours or so if it was a direct result of the flu shot.

It's very intriguing how it only bothers her when she walks forward, but can run forward and walk backwards just fine. You'd think it would be with any sort of movement.
 
[quote name='TheStoneAgeKing']Anything that is introduced into your system, especially vaccines, can trigger or be a factor is some kind of damage. It's a risky thing, but as reported, extremely rare.
Gotta figure out if you want the chances of getting sick and dieing vs getting the shot with side effects.
I got a shot this year, but I think it will be my last one ever.[/QUOTE]

You're probably more likely to die from poisoned food then a flu shot. Actually, I would guess you're more likely to die from actually contracting the flu then a flu shot.
 
There weren't many reports of people dying from the shot itself, just getting weird neurological disorders. And as mentioned, there was never a "link" to the flu to any of them, just a coincidence.
Let the conspiracies begin. :p
(No, please don't).
 
It's psychological, not related to the vaccine.

Believe it or not, I see this all the time in my clinic (or a variation of it).
 
[quote name='docvinh']From what I read, there's no empirical proof that the flu shot is what caused it.[/QUOTE]

Perhaps no direct proof for this disease, but there are countless others where the flu shot has been shown to be catalyst for starting diseases, GBS being one of those:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome

GBS may be a rare side-effect of influenza vaccines, with an incidence of about one case per million vaccinations.[10] Other estimates suggest the incidence of GBS among those receiving the vaccine was one case per 105,000 and that the GBS was not directly due to the vaccine but to a bacterial contamination of the vaccine that triggered GBS.[11]
There were reports of GBS affecting some people who had received swine flu immunizations in the 1976 U.S. outbreak of swine flu. Overall, there were about 500 cases of GBS—25 of which resulted in death from severe pulmonary complications— which, according to Dr. P. Haber, were probably caused by an immunopathological reaction to the 1976 swine flu vaccine. Other influenza vaccines have not been linked to GBS, though caution is advised for certain individuals, particularly those with a history of GBS
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To all those BS doctors that say there is no link between a flu shot triggering a disease, well it's simply misinformation. I know this is anecdotal evidence to my life, but I've seen just how the flu shot can affect someone. I personally would rather suffer the effects of the flu, than take the chances with the thing.
 
[quote name='dopa345']It's psychological, not related to the vaccine.

Believe it or not, I see this all the time in my clinic (or a variation of it).[/QUOTE]

To disregard something as psychological is illogical at best, and a danger to your patients at worst. I've seen how a doctor's hubris can come into play when he disregards his patients symptoms to happily apply the diagnosis of oh, it's just mental, it'll go away. Bullshit.
 
The flu shot can cause GBS as can the flu itself. The incidence of GBS though is far higher in patients who develop the flu (or any other viral infection) than GBS associated with the vaccine.
 
I think it's really weird that she can run just fine and can even talk normally while running, but as soon as she stops her body goes out of whack.

Here;s hoping they can get some help for her.
 
[quote name='dopa345']The flu shot can cause GBS as can the flu itself. The incidence of GBS though is far higher in patients who develop the flu (or any other viral infection) than GBS associated with the vaccine.[/QUOTE]

Ummm...I think you made my point for me.
 
don't know if that was the cause, but I don't get flu shots for reasons like this. Why PUT it in your body when you might not get it.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']To disregard something as psychological is illogical at best, and a danger to your patients at worst. I've seen how a doctor's hubris can come into play when he disregards his patients symptoms to happily apply the diagnosis of oh, it's just mental, it'll go away. Bullshit.[/QUOTE]

I didn't say it wasn't treatable, I consider psychogenic movement disorders a real condition which needs real treatment. You're the one that is placing the stigma on her not me. I happen to be a neurologist that specializes in movement disorders and I have a particular interest in these types of conditions. When you see enough cases as I have, you can usually see fairly quickly when a diagnosis has a true neurological basis and when it does not.

A misdiagnosis does the patient a great disservice and subjects patients to unnecessary tests as they get passed around from doctor to doctor. Being labeled with "dystonia" is meaningless. "Dystonia" is a symptom, not a disease diagnosis which to me also raises a bit of a red flag that her doctors really don't know what's going on and simply want to give her condition a "name" and leave it at that.
 
I could just as easily find a headline stating "Man forgoes flu shot, dies from respiratory complications after contracting flu." My Point is that plenty of people die or are harmed by the flu itself. Yet people often say they'd rather get the flu than the vaccine.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I didn't say it wasn't treatable, I consider psychogenic movement disorders a real condition which needs real treatment. You're the one that is placing the stigma on her not me. I happen to be a neurologist that specializes in movement disorders and I have a particular interest in these types of conditions. When you see enough cases as I have, you can usually see fairly quickly when a diagnosis has a true neurological basis and when it does not.

A misdiagnosis does the patient a great disservice and subjects patients to unnecessary tests as they get passed around from doctor to doctor. Being labeled with "dystonia" is meaningless. "Dystonia" is a symptom, not a disease diagnosis which to me also raises a bit of a red flag that her doctors really don't know what's going on and simply want to give her condition a "name" and leave it at that.[/QUOTE]

You sound just like the doctors I know that fucked up several patients with misdiagnosis of it being psychological, causing this passing around between doctors, to which they were found liable for malpractice and sued out of being doctors for the mindset and harm they caused patients.

If I'm not mistaken, CFS is considered a blanket diagnosis to some effect, yet it is still known to be a disease.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Perhaps no direct proof for this disease, but there are countless others where the flu shot has been shown to be catalyst for starting diseases, GBS being one of those:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guillain-Barr%C3%A9_syndrome


To all those BS doctors that say there is no link between a flu shot triggering a disease, well it's simply misinformation. I know this is anecdotal evidence to my life, but I've seen just how the flu shot can affect someone. I personally would rather suffer the effects of the flu, than take the chances with the thing.[/QUOTE]

Well, that's a pretty wide range, it's either one in a million or one every 100,000 depending on who you believe. For me, the anecdotal evidence is that I've never seen someone have a problem with a flu shot, or any other vaccine, so to each their own I guess.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']To disregard something as psychological is illogical at best, and a danger to your patients at worst. I've seen how a doctor's hubris can come into play when he disregards his patients symptoms to happily apply the diagnosis of oh, it's just mental, it'll go away. Bullshit.[/QUOTE]

I agree with you on that. I have stomach problems, and one doctor basically told me its all in my mind. That If I wouldn't think about it. It would magically go away. Well he was wrong, and its really dumb when they say something like that. That really sucks for that girl. I feel sorry for her. To be honest with you. The last time I got a flu shot. I got sicker than ever. Usually when I don't get one I get along way better.
 
Already got my flu shot as I have for the past decade or so. I'll take my chances since I got a bad case of the flu the one year I didn't (2004 I think). I'll take the infinitesimally small chance of some fluke like that vs. getting the flu with my proclivity for chest colds/asthma flare ups and sinus infections everytime I get a cold or flue.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']You sound just like the doctors I know that fucked up several patients with misdiagnosis of it being psychological, causing this passing around between doctors, to which they were found liable for malpractice and sued out of being doctors for the mindset and harm they caused patients.

If I'm not mistaken, CFS is considered a blanket diagnosis to some effect, yet it is still known to be a disease.[/QUOTE]

I'm not sure why you're so hostile, I just stated my medical opinion, which I thought would be of interest to the thread. I'm also not sure why you brought up CFS. CFS is a diagnosis based on a clinical constellation of symptoms. Dystonia is a symptom (involuntary sustained muscle contractions). Being labeled with "dystonia" is akin to having a runny nose and the doctor giving you a diagnosis of "nasal drip". It's meaningless which is why it strongly suggests to me that either her doctors don't know or do suspect but just don't want to tell her (very common). The average patient with a psychogenic movement disorder is often not diagnosed by a median of five years which is a big shame.

Anyway, if you want to consider a tabloid TV show as an authority on rare neurological disorders, be my guest. If don't want to get a flu shot because of irrational fears, that's your right too.
 
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[quote name='docvinh']Well, that's a pretty wide range, it's either one in a million or one every 100,000 depending on who you believe. For me, the anecdotal evidence is that I've never seen someone have a problem with a flu shot, or any other vaccine, so to each their own I guess.[/QUOTE]

Strange logic. I've never been in a tornado, nor seen one, but it doesn't mean I don't believe they exist nor do I want to put myself at risk to experience one.
 
[quote name='hiccupleftovers']Strange logic. I've never been in a tornado, nor seen one, but it doesn't mean I don't believe they exist nor do I want to put myself at risk to experience one.[/QUOTE]

Come on now, you know that's not a good comparison. You're the one who said you saw what it can do, but like you said, anecdotal evidence, meaning it doesn't apply to everyone. Statistically speaking, I understand there's a small chance something will happen, but the odds are pretty small, almost too small to count. Even if you split the odds between 1 million and 100000 as the story claims, the incidence of one for every what, half a million, means 2 people out of every million might have issues. You're still more likely to die from the flu then from a flu shot. No doubt you don't need a flu shot, but running around saying you're likely to die from a flu shot is silly. If you don't want to get one, that's fine, like I said, to each their own.;)
 
So they have absolutely no cure or any relief she can get? That's terrible. .
 
[quote name='VipFREAK']House will know what to do.
[/QUOTE]

I dunno.. for once it COULD be lupus... then what? Then we'd be fucked.
 
[quote name='dopa345']I'm not sure why you're so hostile, I just stated my medical opinion, which I thought would be of interest to the thread. I'm also not sure why you brought up CFS. CSF is a diagnosis based on a clinical constellation of symptoms. Dystonia is a symptom (involuntary sustained muscle contractions). Being labeled with "dystonia" is akin to having a runny nose and the doctor giving you a diagnosis you with "nasal drip". It's meaningless which is why it strongly suggests to me that either her doctors don't know or do suspect but just don't want to tell her (very common). The average patient with a psychogenic movement disorder is often not diagnosed by a median of five years which is a big shame.

Anyway, if you want to consider a tabloid TV show as an authority on rare neurological disorders, be my guest. If don't want to get a flu shot because of irrational fears, that's your right too.[/QUOTE]

Haha it's like walking into a den meeting of Creationists.

Doctors can be aholes but you seem pretty cool and logical.
 
Even if it was linked to the vaccine it's just an outlier. It sucks, but it happens every once in a while.

She makes no sense though, you can run and it's cool, but then you stop and you start spazzing the fuck out? Is there a neurological disorder that matches that?

(Mind you, I didn't watch the inside edition piece, I pulled the running thing entirely from the remix...)
 
[quote name='Liquid 2']Only the most obtuse and dangerous people think that it's better to not vaccinate.[/QUOTE]

I'm not against vaccines, but I am against the flu vaccine/shot and won't get one.
 
All i can say is WOW!!! This is such a load of BS :roll: HOAX HOAX. I will not get the flu shot either , haven't in the past 5 years. But this shit on "inside edition" is just laughable , if it was that serious & REAL it would all over the news . . . not just one news outlet. Yea i did laugh my ass off . . . . hope they serve cold beer in hell!!! WWWOOOOOOOO:bomb:
 
As I understand it, people who develop these sorts of disorders are genetically predisposed to them. So doesn't that mean that even if it was related to the flu shot, she could have just as likely developed it from any number of vaccines or medications? I'm a layman, so if any part of that was batshit insane, please disregard.

On a purely idiotic note, being her husband would drive me absolutely insane. Not just because of the convulsing. Consider this: Your wife, who is extremely fit and attractive because the only solace from her torturous neurological disorder is running, convulses like a Silent Hill baddie when you try to have sex with her.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWmK2j3HoNU
 
[quote name='SpazX']She makes no sense though, you can run and it's cool, but then you stop and you start spazzing the fuck out? Is there a neurological disorder that matches that?[/QUOTE]

It's definately bizarre. Reminds me of people like the Scatman who talk with a stutter but sing just fine.
 
I still don't get why people get a flu shot. Its the common flu people. Even if you get it, your out 2-3 days. Here's an idea: strengthen that immune system. Eat some dirt, lick the floor. It amazes me how often some people get sick.
 
You realize that the flu vaccine does exactly that. Gives your body the means to create antibodies to resist the virus.
 
[quote name='slickkill77']I still don't get why people get a flu shot. Its the common flu people. Even if you get it, your out 2-3 days. Here's an idea: strengthen that immune system. Eat some dirt, lick the floor. It amazes me how often some people get sick.[/QUOTE]

People's bodies react differently.

I'm prone to sinus infections and asthma flare ups when I get a cold or flu and tend to feel terrible for 7-10 days and take 2 or 3 weeks to kick all the symptoms.

And I hit the gym, eat well, take vitamins, etc. etc. and am generally very healthy. No issues with weight, blood pressure, cholesterol etc. It's not a matter of people not taking care of themselves. Some people just have weaker immune systems and/or have complications that make colds/flus more sever.

If you seldom get sick and don't get very sick when you do come down with something, you probably don't need to get the shot.

Those of us who get sick more often and/or have complications when getting sick have more incentive to get it.
 
[quote name='JolietJake']You realize that the flu vaccine does exactly that. Gives your body the means to create antibodies to resist the virus.[/QUOTE]

But dirt is free! And apparently contains the flu!

And to dmaul, he could still carry it and infect others while putting a hole in the herd immunity if he doesn't get a vaccine, so there are other reasons to get it for a non-selfish person. Apparently all we need is dirt though, just truckloads of dirt. That was the problem in 1918, not enough dirt.
 
I also have a similar problem, when I was 4 and got my MMR shots, I had a seizure and high fever in the bathtub. Thankfully, I obviously didn't die. Anyway, yeah having bad reactions to immunizations sucks ass. I haven't had an immunization since. Thankfully, I haven't caught any of the horrible diseases either. (I probably can never go to any other country because I can't be immunized, maybe other than Canada)
 
Needles scare me like woah, not getting a flu shot. I only get sick once a year, and it's usually just the cold (got the flu the last couple of years but it only lasts 5 days tops). Hope I don't get it again this year but between my upcoming surgery (which I'm dreading) and my mono a month ago I'm absolutely fed up with seeing doctors.

Love the remix though, requiescat in pace meus animus for it is now corrupt :p
 
[quote name='c0rnpwn']Needles scare me like woah, not getting a flu shot. I only get sick once a year, and it's usually just the cold (got the flu the last couple of years but it only lasts 5 days tops). Hope I don't get it again this year but between my upcoming surgery (which I'm dreading) and my mono a month ago I'm absolutely fed up with seeing doctors.

Love the remix though, requiescat in pace meus animus for it is now corrupt :p[/QUOTE]

You've gotten the flu a few years in a row and you still won't get a shot?!
 
[quote name='SpazX']You've gotten the flu a few years in a row and you still won't get a shot?![/QUOTE]

Yep, they weren't that bad. Just a couple days of taking it easy and I was good to go.
 
[quote name='yesiamaplant']On a purely idiotic note, being her husband would drive me absolutely insane. Not just because of the convulsing. Consider this: Your wife, who is extremely fit and attractive because the only solace from her torturous neurological disorder is running, convulses like a Silent Hill baddie when you try to have sex with her.[/QUOTE]
So she basically does all the work. No problem there.
 
[quote name='cochesecochese']So she basically does all the work. No problem there.[/QUOTE]

I was looking at this, uh... apparatus online that could keep most people from convulsing.
 
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