You can still bet on the Election

FeldBum

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It is as close as ever now, but you can still bet on the election.

May be a good deal if you live in a swing state and actually effect the results.

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Good luck--and let the best man win.

:)
 
It's still up. Just put some back-up money on Bush to take Ohio to cover my probable Kerry losses.
 
fox news has claimed that bush has had ohio since last night, because even though kerry still has a mathematical possibility, it is highly unlikely that the provisional ballots will make a difference for him, as they would have to be like 90% for kerry for him to overtake bush in total votes in ohio

GO BUCKS
GO BUSH!
 
"when i am president...i will kill bin ladin...unite america, and bring back our jobs!!!!"

thank god i wont have listen to four more years of that.

didn't anyone have any common sense to actually ask this guy what his plans are?
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']"when i am president...i will kill bin ladin...unite america, and bring back our jobs!!!!"

thank god i wont have listen to four more years of that.

didn't anyone have any common sense to actually ask this guy what his plans are?[/quote]

Are you talking about Bush or Kerry? Bush also said he was going to do all of those things, had his chance, and failed.
 
Kerry never had any plans for this country he just took the sissy Anti-Bush route...hey atleast the southern states wasnt fooled by this joker, leave it to the yankees to control this.
 
As i see it, it was basically an election of the lesser of two evils. I think both Bush and Kerry weren't want this country needs. The thing i cant understand is why some people think Bush is one of the greatest presidents in the history of our country. He's been medoicre at best... not saying Kerry would have been any better, but Bush has never impressed me in the past 4 years hes been in office.
 
The Southern states got fooled by the OTHER joker, Bush, because they think he's a "Bible-man" with lots of moral values.

I doubt he has even read the Bible, and he probably wouldn't understand it anyways.

The only thing I'm saying is if you voted for Bush for his policies then that would be a novel idea, but most people where I come from voted for him because of his religious affiliation and that's it.
 
[quote name='flowery']Kerry never had any plans for this country he just took the sissy Anti-Bush route...hey atleast the southern states wasnt fooled by this joker, leave it to the yankees to control this.[/quote]southern states voting for bush is like a new yorker wearing a yankees cap...
 
the democrats opened up our country to this current downfall courtesy of nafda (SP?) ever since bush got into office hes been treading water trying to make up anyway he can for nafda (once again sp) and the terrorist attack ( 9/11)

look im not a bush supporter, but i think what one guy said was rite on a cnn show. If the economy is showing signs of starting to rebound, why change houses now.

this very well might of been an election where you pick the lesser of two evils.
 
I'm glad to see that 52% of Americans support the following:

Tax Cuts (despite soaring government costs; the week before the election, Bush signed $136 Billion in tax cuts for corporations and also planned on asking Congress to approve $70 Billion in new spending for Iraq), despite ZERO evidence that support the concept of supply-side economics. It's an idea that has proven to be a complete failure, yet many Americans remain romantically faithful to such ideology.

Pre-emptive war: I'm a bit divided on this issue; I support pre-emptive war when the opposition has proven allegations against them. On the other hand, we went into Iraq with no empirical evidence supporting our administration's claims.

Accountability: Our administration is holding thousands of suspected terrorists in Cuba and Iraq, in what will prove to be a human rights violation, the size of which will make the Japanese internment camps look like an insignificant moment in history. Yet no one has been removed from office, with the exception of George Tenet (who was appointed during Clinton's second term, I should add). Also, be sure to bring up Valarie Plame next time you run into a member of Bush's administration.

Religious Fundamentalism: Despite the alleged separation of church and state, the unquestionable support of Bush is an explicit approval of such measures as: providing more government funding to private (read: religious) schools while closing down poor performing public schools, no child left behind, spending government money covering up titties in the capital building, the repeal of roe v wade (just you wait), ad nauseam. Don't forget, also, the tax benefits offered to single mothers who get married.

Removal of civil liberties: the wording in many of the eleven states with ballots asking for the ban of gay marriage is worded as such that if passed, corporations are suddenly violating the law for providing benefits to same-sex (and possibly unmarried but cohabiting heterosexual) couples.

Laissez-faire capitalism: The voters have shown that they think unregulated business is a brilliant move, and that it's acceptable if an unchecked health care industry (pharmaceuticals in particular) can charge what it please. After all, quality health care, in the minds of these voters, is not a right. It's a privelege.

Disregard for the empirical evidence. Sorry, I'm a stats person. When I look at the Congressional Budget Office tally of tax receipts and spending, I see a pattern that shows an increase in the proportion of taxes received coming from individuals, and likewise, a decrease in those coming from corporations. This is not to say that indviiduals are paying more dollar-wise, but they are paying a larger share of the overall pot that corporations were. Additionally, the last column in the table (I'll provide a link if you want) shows the budget surplus/deficit (from 1964 to the present). Going from budget deficits for years (only to be blown out of the water by Reagan's surplus spending) to a small (incredibly small) budget surplus under Clinton, and revisiting (and trumping) Reagan's deficits in two years is nothing short of astounding.

So thank you America. We are so much better off now that we've relected this motherfucking pudding-head. I, for one, will laugh (and of course, be more furious and fearful simultaneously) when the nations supporting our surplus expenditures tells us we can't borrow any more money.

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DID YOU KNOW THAT OUR NATIONAL DEBT IS 7 TRILLION MOTHERfuckING DOLLARS!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! HOW MUCH MORE DO YOU THINK WE CAN REASONABLY BORROW YOU NARROWMINDED TWITS?

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hooray for america.

myke.
 
[quote name='thingsfallnapart']"when i am president...i will kill bin ladin...unite america, and bring back our jobs!!!!"

thank god i wont have listen to four more years of that.

didn't anyone have any common sense to actually ask this guy what his plans are?[/quote]

Actually Kerry has a plan. Go to his website. http://www.johnkerry.com

Bush is the one who has no plan....look at Iraq... He removes Sudam now what? He has no idea what he is going to do now.
 
I wanted Kerry to win bad, but it really doesn't look likely. Last I checked, the gape between Kerry and Bush was increasing as more votes were counted, and Ohio's going to be the deciding state it would seem. Thanks for nothing, Ohio.
 
My mantra on the train this morning: don't be bitter...don't be bitter...don't be bitter. Don't embrace divisiveness....don't hold a grudge against the bible belt heartland of rural @$#^!...don't be bitter...
 
I think I might be finally ready to give up hope....

Oh well, four more years... :(

Here's looking to 2008. Go Obama!
 
[quote name='FeldBum']I think I might be finally ready to give up hope....

Oh well, four more years... :(

Here's looking to 2008. Go Obama![/quote]

He's not ready for prime time. He beat Alan Keyes, who was not even endorsed by the Illinois GOP. Beating Keyes is like beating the Washington Capitals (or whomever it is that the Harlem Globetrotters always play).

Get ready, instead, to see just how sexist the Republicans can be when the Dems present candidate Clinton.

myke.
 
We're in the descent of our civilization, you guys know that don't you? All the signs are there, and now we have 4 more years of a president who lost all 3 debates and has been proven inadequate. I have nobody to blame but America, who (albeit by a slim margin) has decided that they'd rather move backwards into the dark ages.
 
I am so despondent right now. Most people I know that voted Bush don't follow politics at all. They fall hook, line and sinker for the lines and lies of the president. Ignorance is bliss, and I think that they feel that like they can have a clear conscience while ignoring the facts.
 
[quote name='queegqueeg']I am so despondent right now. Most people I know that voted Bush don't follow politics at all. They fall hook, line and sinker for the lines and lies of the president. Ignorance is bliss, and I think that they feel that like they can have a clear conscience while ignoring the facts.[/quote]

It seems to work for tobacco company execs....
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Get ready, instead, to see just how sexist the Republicans can be when the Dems present candidate Clinton.[/quote]

I hate to break it to you, but America isn't ready for a woman as president.
 
I'm not saying she will win or lose. I'm curious why people don't think we are ready for a woman candidate.

Perhaps the idiocy shown in yesterday's election results is the answer I'm looking for.
 
Please, Hillary lost all her credibility when she pandered to various groups in NY to garner votes... she completely reversed her positions and principles to fit the bill. This is coming from a liberal mind you, IMO Hillary should NOT run for president. Plus yeah, conservative minded folks probably aren't ready for a woman as president :?
 
It's sad that you all are so sure that everybody else is wrong simply because they disagree with your point of view.
First of all Kerry can see he's going to lose but still won't concede, that tells you all you need to know about his character. Someone who is out for a better America would concede and let the country move on, not try to divide it into bitter fighting by clinging to this like Gore did.
Secondly, this election wasn't about how great Bush is, but how when you have two ass-hats battling it out you just take the one who seems capable of screwing up less.
As much as everyone wants to complain about Bush having our soldiers over there in war still, you are the same people that were screaming for blood right after 9/11, sorry but you can't just attack to send a message, you have to follow through til it's completed.
Neither Bush or Kerry are the right man for this job, but Bush has proven at least capable of running our country. So deal with it for 4 years, and also anyone who's old enough to vote but didn't. Stop bitching.
 
[quote name='queegqueeg']I am so despondent right now. Most people I know that voted Bush don't follow politics at all. They fall hook, line and sinker for the lines and lies of the president. Ignorance is bliss, and I think that they feel that like they can have a clear conscience while ignoring the facts.[/quote]

Well, it's a problem when the biggest "issue" in this election was Moral Issues.

Not the WAR in Iraq, not the ECONOMY, but a personal, subjective and often religious belief on the "morality" of gay marriage and abortion.

When you vote for someone because they have similar beliefs to you, without understanding their stance on actual issues affecting your country, you are abdicating your right to vote and shrugging off your duty to do so.

Pick a priest or choose a rabbi on shared religious ideals and beliefs, not a president

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[quote name='icemanjmw13']It's sad that you all are so sure that everybody else is wrong simply because they disagree with your point of view.
First of all Kerry can see he's going to lose but still won't concede, that tells you all you need to know about his character. Someone who is out for a better America would concede and let the country move on, not try to divide it into bitter fighting by clinging to this like Gore did.[/quote]

We're already bitterly divided, shecky.

Secondly, this election wasn't about how great Bush is, but how when you have two ass-hats battling it out you just take the one who seems capable of screwing up less.

I mentioned quite a bit on the first page as to why I think Bush is capable of screwing up far much worse than Kerry.

As much as everyone wants to complain about Bush having our soldiers over there in war still, you are the same people that were screaming for blood right after 9/11, sorry but you can't just attack to send a message, you have to follow through til it's completed.

Agreed. The Bush administration clearly lacks an exit strategy for Iraq. Perhaps you should make this point apply to them as well. I still believe we should hold those responsible for 9/11 accountable. Bush focused on Iraq instead of those responsible, and for that I hold him accountable. What part of Kerry saying that he was 'determined to hunt and kill Osama bin Laden' don't you grasp?

Neither Bush or Kerry are the right man for this job, but Bush has proven at least capable of running our country. So deal with it for 4 years, and also anyone who's old enough to vote but didn't. Stop bitching.

You can say Bush has proven capable of running our country, but I dare you to prove it. How has Bush done with regards to health care? education? jobs? taxes (and along with it, spending)? international policy? Just what in the hell has Bush done right?

myke.
 
[quote name='icemanjmw13']It's sad that you all are so sure that everybody else is wrong simply because they disagree with your point of view.
First of all Kerry can see he's going to lose but still won't concede, that tells you all you need to know about his character. Someone who is out for a better America would concede and let the country move on, not try to divide it into bitter fighting by clinging to this like Gore did.[/quote]

I will never understand this. First of all, there is a large error % when counting ballots. There is like a 2% difference right now in the candidates when counting the votes. It is statistically impossible to actually say who won the election, therefore it's important that we take some time and actually go through the ballots and make our 'best guess'. Why do people think this has to be over today? We'll be much better off if we take a few days/weeks and make sure that the correct descision is made.

Also, this is a trick Bush likes to pull - He has done it before. He simply goes out there and announces that he has won, and then the republicans come in with the "if you don't concede you're hurting America". Give me a break, what if Kerry had gone out and announced he had won? Would you be saying that Bush is hurting America by not conceding?
 
[quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='FeldBum']I think I might be finally ready to give up hope....

Oh well, four more years... :(

Here's looking to 2008. Go Obama![/quote]

He's not ready for prime time. He beat Alan Keyes, who was not even endorsed by the Illinois GOP. Beating Keyes is like beating the Washington Capitals (or whomever it is that the Harlem Globetrotters always play).

Get ready, instead, to see just how sexist the Republicans can be when the Dems present candidate Clinton.

myke.[/quote]

Hahaha no offense intended, but I'm awarding you the honor of most inaccurate sports-to-politics analogy ever. Capitals are a hockey team, and you'r probably thinking of the Globetrotters when they play the Generals.
 
[quote name='Duo_Maxwell'][quote name='mykevermin'][quote name='FeldBum']I think I might be finally ready to give up hope....

Oh well, four more years... :(

Here's looking to 2008. Go Obama![/quote]

He's not ready for prime time. He beat Alan Keyes, who was not even endorsed by the Illinois GOP. Beating Keyes is like beating the Washington Capitals (or whomever it is that the Harlem Globetrotters always play).

Get ready, instead, to see just how sexist the Republicans can be when the Dems present candidate Clinton.

myke.[/quote]

Hahaha no offense intended, but I'm awarding you the honor of most inaccurate sports-to-politics analogy ever. Capitals are a hockey team, and you'r probably thinking of the Globetrotters when they play the Generals.[/quote]

None taken. I think I used to refer to them as the Washington Senators, yet I found out that name was wrong when the Expos were sold earlier this year. I haven't paid attention to the Globetrotters since they were on first-run scooby doo cartoons.
 
Fellas there is alot to say but I cant throw a bloody steak into a pool of sharks...W is president get over it and support him, you can say what you will thats why its america but just support him and the troops and you do your best to help your country. Phew well atleast my family and friends in Iraq doesnt worry about chaos in the military.
 
[quote name='flowery']Fellas there is alot to say but I cant throw a bloody steak into a pool of sharks...W is president get over it and support him, you can say what you will thats why its america but just support him and the troops and you do your best to help your country. Phew well atleast my family and friends in Iraq doesnt worry about chaos in the military.[/quote]

I'll do what I can to support this country and our troops. I've written editorials at my paper in support of our troops, prayed (yes, Democrats can pray) for them, put a bumper sticker on my car.

Still, I dissaprove of our president (again) and this adminsitration, and much lament the method (or madness) in which he was re-elected.

Just my $0.02
 
Regretfully, I do not lament the method in which this election ended. George Bush won this time. I lament the idiocy of this country.

What I regret is that despite anything I say, the best people have come up with is either "get over it, bitchboy," or "come together now." I won't and I will not. I cannot fathom living in a country so ignorant. You, the Bush supporters, are intellectually devoid of understanding. You are simple-minded plebians (thank you Bob Backlund!) with no concept of what the state of the world is.

Here's one: With the tenuous state of the United States as a result of terrorism, you would think that our government would attempt to reduce deficit spending. This is because the United States borrows money from foreign sources. What would happen to the strength of our economy, the ability to fund schools, hospitals, OUR MILITARY if these individuals decided to no longer fund the United States?

We have borrowed 7 Trillion dollars, and show no sign of intending to slow down, let alone begin paying it back, anytime soon. Tell me, when will we reach our limit? Do you feel safe knowing that our entire national security rests on the potential whims of foreign investors?

Here's one for the tax cut lovers: I dare you to tell me the point at which tax cuts become counterproductive to the revenue the government takes. Supply-siders ***love*** the idea that cutting taxes boosts the economy, thus increasing the amount of money the government takes; ideally, we are all better off due to reduced taxes (even if the idea has never shown itself to be true). Of course, having zero taxes on anything is ludicrous, because the government gets nothing. So, with that in mind, tell me, then, what is the point (the top of the bell curve, if you will), where productivity and tax revenue are maximized; the point at which increasing taxes will hurt the government's income, and simultaneously hurt productivity as well. Now I sit back and watch the idiots squirm.

Tell me one thing W has done right. It may not be sufficient to say, but I'm not trolling here. I am intensely opposed to George Bush (You don't say...), and I have not yet seen one argument capable of persuading me he is even a mediocre president (of the Gerald Ford breed).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Vinfest/OurNewMap.jpg
myke.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Regretfully, I do not lament the method in which this election ended. George Bush won this time. I lament the idiocy of this country.[/quote]

What I meant by that is that I regret that people picked a president by on moral, quasi-relegious ideals instead of political issues that actually affect the country, like the war and the economy.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Regretfully, I do not lament the method in which this election ended. George Bush won this time. I lament the idiocy of this country.[/quote]

What I meant by that is that I regret that people picked a president by on moral, quasi-relegious ideals instead of political issues that actually affect the country, like the war and the economy.
 
Funny pic, that map.

Like I said to someone today, Jesus is now the most powerful political figure in the U.S.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']
What I regret is that despite anything I say, the best people have come up with is either "get over it, bitchboy," or "come together now." I won't and I will not. I cannot fathom living in a country so ignorant. You, the Bush supporters, are intellectually devoid of understanding. You are simple-minded plebians (thank you Bob Backlund!) with no concept of what the state of the world is. [/quote]

You are so welcoming of other points of view, it is inspiring really. Your condescending post really makes those with different opinions want to share in a rational discussion.
[quote name='mykevermin']
Here's one for the tax cut lovers: I dare you to tell me the point at which tax cuts become counterproductive to the revenue the government takes. Supply-siders ***love*** the idea that cutting taxes boosts the economy, thus increasing the amount of money the government takes; ideally, we are all better off due to reduced taxes (even if the idea has never shown itself to be true). Of course, having zero taxes on anything is ludicrous, because the government gets nothing. So, with that in mind, tell me, then, what is the point (the top of the bell curve, if you will), where productivity and tax revenue are maximized; the point at which increasing taxes will hurt the government's income, and simultaneously hurt productivity as well. Now I sit back and watch the idiots squirm.
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Oh well I guess I can't resist, here goes.

Nobody has ever argued (besides anarchists) for zero taxes or tarriffs from the government. I think everyone agrees with necessary services of the government to provide for the common good and promote the general welfare. But I fail to see where your attack of supply side economics takes into account a reduction in the scope of the federal government. There is a reason the bell curve (in your example) can't be pin-pointed to a set amount. Everyone disagrees on where one should place the necessary amount of government income. As a libertarian, I would place it very low.
 
[quote name='mykevermin']Tell me one thing W has done right. It may not be sufficient to say, but I'm not trolling here. I am intensely opposed to George Bush (You don't say...), and I have not yet seen one argument capable of persuading me he is even a mediocre president (of the Gerald Ford breed).

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/Vinfest/OurNewMap.jpg
myke.[/quote]

Well, I do like his stance on trial lawyers. And he probably won't support the RIAA as much as Kerry would have.

And lord, is he funny when he talks :lol: (Want some wood?? heh heh heh)

But that's about it.
 
[quote name='msdmoney']You are so welcoming of other points of view, it is inspiring really. Your condescending post really makes those with different opinions want to share in a rational discussion.[/quote]

I'm despondent after the election. Yeah, I'm usually condecending, but today, it's a bit much. I don't mind admitting that.

Oh well I guess I can't resist, here goes.

Nobody has ever argued (besides anarchists) for zero taxes or tarriffs from the government. I think everyone agrees with necessary services of the government to provide for the common good and promote the general welfare. But I fail to see where your attack of supply side economics takes into account a reduction in the scope of the federal government. There is a reason the bell curve (in your example) can't be pin-pointed to a set amount. Everyone disagrees on where one should place the necessary amount of government income. As a libertarian, I would place it very low.

There was a ballot in the local election Tuesday that sought to repeal a property tax. No big deal, right? No (of course). The people of the area collected a petition to get the repeal put on (which amounted to an extra $212 per $100.000 annualy). The people of the community knowingly put this issue on the ballot, knowing that if it passed, the public school would lack the funds to stay open (and the children in the area would have to be bused elsewhere). The point I'm trying to make here is that people voted against their self interest. Parents who voted to repeal it will now have to incur the costs of getting their children transferred next year. Those who do not have children will incur costs as well. The neighborhood I live in is, *ahem* "historic"; that is to say, it is in the last stages of gentrification. Property value in this area is atrociously high; Is it worth it, financially, to save $400-$500 (based on the approximately avg. propoerty cost) annually, while the lack of a school in the neighborhood could have a much worse effect in attempting to sell your home?

I understand your point about reducing the scope of federal government. It's not something, as a knee-jerk bleeding heart tax-and-spend (well, not so much that) liberal, that I consider very much. The CBO figures show that miitary spending has always been a growing majority of our federal spending. Eventually, reducing spending in other areas will be a moot point; TANF and other welfare programs are %0.05 of our annual spending, for instance. If we abolished welfare, you would laugh at the pittance of a refund check you received. With that in mind, cuts in military spending are going to be necessary, eventually. How do you convince a post-9/11 American populace that we cut military spending? It's political suicide (like suggesting we reduce criminal sentence lengths and implement rehabilitation policies in order to reduce the costs of repeat offenders returning to prison - if you dare do, you become 'soft on crime'). There are some topics that are off limits; most unfortunately, those are the same ones that have become (through no small coincidence) that greatest amount of our spending). We can't eliminate art subsidies forever.

How do you feel, as a libertarian, about a non-socialized health care plan, knowing how unaffordable health care is for families? Looking at the growing income inequality gap, as well as growing costs (and with the price of oil, you ain't seen nothin' yet), how can we resolve this without involving the federal government? Actually, I found myself being fond of (most of - certainly not gun control) Badnarik's issues as listed on his website. However, he had no plan for health care listed (but he mentioned he would 'fix it'). If you do know, please satisfy my fancy. What is his plan to fix health care?

I appreciate your calm approach; it's hard to continue to be vituperative with that in mind.

Your equation isn't grasped by Bush; he is a federalist. Unless, of course, you are a piece of legislation that interferes with corporations' already tenuous relationship with the environment. In that case, you're toast, dude.

myke.
 
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