Rather then having multiple threads with debates on HD DVD vs. Blu-Ray this thread will encompass all of it. That includes all articles, opinions, etc. While there is a HD DVD Software thread in the 360 forum, that is strictly a Blu-Ray free zone. I encourage someone to start a Blu-Ray general purpose thread in the PS3 forum.
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I want to hear what you guys think of this:
Stolen from HypnosisRising on Gamefaqs.
This user on gamefaqs thinks that the reason MS is supporting HD-DVD is to ensure that they have a cheap, large storage format, to use for future consoles. And, even though this guy is from Gamefaqs, he definitely knows his stuff. Of course, this is just speculation on his part, so his knowledge doesn't mean that this is true.
Personally, I don't think his post is true. The part about MS supporting HD-DVD makes sense. MS doesn't have much pull in the movie industry, and with blu-ray having the majority of the support, I really doubt MS went into HD-DVD thinking they could 'win' it. Maybe they thought they could from the beginning, but as time progressed, it would've been smarter for MS to jump ship, seeing as how they have little pull in the format war. Sure they are a large company, but this war is based on movies, and, in that field, MS doesn't have too much power.
Anyway, I don't think it would be in their best interest to use HD-DVD as a gaming format in the future. Sure it would save them the trouble of paying royalties to the BDA, but it would alienate a lot of consumers. By the time the next xbox comes out, there will be a lot more demand for Blu-ray, and it will actually be seen as a plus to the consumer, not as the negative that it currently is. Right now, Blu-ray adds way too much to the price of the PS3 for consumers only interested in gaming. But 4-5 years down the line, Blu-ray players will be much cheaper, and there will be much more demand for them, which is why I think it would be stupid if what Hypnosis predicted were true (I just felt like sharing it because I thought it was interesting).
Stolen from HypnosisRising on Gamefaqs.
This user on gamefaqs thinks that the reason MS is supporting HD-DVD is to ensure that they have a cheap, large storage format, to use for future consoles. And, even though this guy is from Gamefaqs, he definitely knows his stuff. Of course, this is just speculation on his part, so his knowledge doesn't mean that this is true.
Personally, I don't think his post is true. The part about MS supporting HD-DVD makes sense. MS doesn't have much pull in the movie industry, and with blu-ray having the majority of the support, I really doubt MS went into HD-DVD thinking they could 'win' it. Maybe they thought they could from the beginning, but as time progressed, it would've been smarter for MS to jump ship, seeing as how they have little pull in the format war. Sure they are a large company, but this war is based on movies, and, in that field, MS doesn't have too much power.
Anyway, I don't think it would be in their best interest to use HD-DVD as a gaming format in the future. Sure it would save them the trouble of paying royalties to the BDA, but it would alienate a lot of consumers. By the time the next xbox comes out, there will be a lot more demand for Blu-ray, and it will actually be seen as a plus to the consumer, not as the negative that it currently is. Right now, Blu-ray adds way too much to the price of the PS3 for consumers only interested in gaming. But 4-5 years down the line, Blu-ray players will be much cheaper, and there will be much more demand for them, which is why I think it would be stupid if what Hypnosis predicted were true (I just felt like sharing it because I thought it was interesting).
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[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, but not by much. At the current time BR is up 20 some movies. Thats not alot from a format with some many exclusive studios.[/QUOTE]
I know that '20 some movies' was just an estimate, but it really seems like you are really underwhelming BR.
I don't get the point of holding BR at a higher standard since it haas more studios. Consumers aren't going to care which has the better studio:movie ratio. They will go for what format has the movies they want.
[quote name='gizmogc']The lists you posted above show that even the weekly releases are pretty close. Alot of the BR have been 'rumored' but not given any firm dates (most of May's for instance). Its gonna be a FUN year![/QUOTE]
Which weekly releases are you looking at? BR seems to be ahead by quite a bit to me. Unless you are just looking at one or two weeks, then you might be correct about them being close for those couple of weeks.
[quote name='gizmogc']Yes, but not by much. At the current time BR is up 20 some movies. Thats not alot from a format with some many exclusive studios.[/QUOTE]
I know that '20 some movies' was just an estimate, but it really seems like you are really underwhelming BR.
I don't get the point of holding BR at a higher standard since it haas more studios. Consumers aren't going to care which has the better studio:movie ratio. They will go for what format has the movies they want.
[quote name='gizmogc']The lists you posted above show that even the weekly releases are pretty close. Alot of the BR have been 'rumored' but not given any firm dates (most of May's for instance). Its gonna be a FUN year![/QUOTE]
Which weekly releases are you looking at? BR seems to be ahead by quite a bit to me. Unless you are just looking at one or two weeks, then you might be correct about them being close for those couple of weeks.
[quote name='dpatel']I want to hear what you guys think of this:
Stolen from HypnosisRising on Gamefaqs.
This user on gamefaqs thinks that the reason MS is supporting HD-DVD is to ensure that they have a cheap, large storage format, to use for future consoles. And, even though this guy is from Gamefaqs, he definitely knows his stuff. Of course, this is just speculation on his part, so his knowledge doesn't mean that this is true.
Personally, I don't think his post is true. The part about MS supporting HD-DVD makes sense. MS doesn't have much pull in the movie industry, and with blu-ray having the majority of the support, I really doubt MS went into HD-DVD thinking they could 'win' it. Maybe they thought they could from the beginning, but as time progressed, it would've been smarter for MS to jump ship, seeing as how they have little pull in the format war. Sure they are a large company, but this war is based on movies, and, in that field, MS doesn't have too much power.
Anyway, I don't think it would be in their best interest to use HD-DVD as a gaming format in the future. Sure it would save them the trouble of paying royalties to the BDA, but it would alienate a lot of consumers. By the time the next xbox comes out, there will be a lot more demand for Blu-ray, and it will actually be seen as a plus to the consumer, not as the negative that it currently is. Right now, Blu-ray adds way too much to the price of the PS3 for consumers only interested in gaming. But 4-5 years down the line, Blu-ray players will be much cheaper, and there will be much more demand for them, which is why I think it would be stupid if what Hypnosis predicted were true (I just felt like sharing it because I thought it was interesting).[/QUOTE]
Interesting. I never thought of something like that happening. If HD-DVD did die, and Blu-Ray WAS the standard, then yes, MS would either have to stick to normaly DVDs, go Blu-Ray, OR all games will be digital downloads (as many have thought would happen). Keeping HD-DVD around long enough until the new Xbox comes out (what, 4 years?) would mean cheaper to produce not paying Sony anything....hmmm
Stolen from HypnosisRising on Gamefaqs.
This user on gamefaqs thinks that the reason MS is supporting HD-DVD is to ensure that they have a cheap, large storage format, to use for future consoles. And, even though this guy is from Gamefaqs, he definitely knows his stuff. Of course, this is just speculation on his part, so his knowledge doesn't mean that this is true.
Personally, I don't think his post is true. The part about MS supporting HD-DVD makes sense. MS doesn't have much pull in the movie industry, and with blu-ray having the majority of the support, I really doubt MS went into HD-DVD thinking they could 'win' it. Maybe they thought they could from the beginning, but as time progressed, it would've been smarter for MS to jump ship, seeing as how they have little pull in the format war. Sure they are a large company, but this war is based on movies, and, in that field, MS doesn't have too much power.
Anyway, I don't think it would be in their best interest to use HD-DVD as a gaming format in the future. Sure it would save them the trouble of paying royalties to the BDA, but it would alienate a lot of consumers. By the time the next xbox comes out, there will be a lot more demand for Blu-ray, and it will actually be seen as a plus to the consumer, not as the negative that it currently is. Right now, Blu-ray adds way too much to the price of the PS3 for consumers only interested in gaming. But 4-5 years down the line, Blu-ray players will be much cheaper, and there will be much more demand for them, which is why I think it would be stupid if what Hypnosis predicted were true (I just felt like sharing it because I thought it was interesting).[/QUOTE]
Interesting. I never thought of something like that happening. If HD-DVD did die, and Blu-Ray WAS the standard, then yes, MS would either have to stick to normaly DVDs, go Blu-Ray, OR all games will be digital downloads (as many have thought would happen). Keeping HD-DVD around long enough until the new Xbox comes out (what, 4 years?) would mean cheaper to produce not paying Sony anything....hmmm
[quote name='gizmogc']Interesting. I never thought of something like that happening. If HD-DVD did die, and Blu-Ray WAS the standard, then yes, MS would either have to stick to normaly DVDs, go Blu-Ray, OR all games will be digital downloads (as many have thought would happen). Keeping HD-DVD around long enough until the new Xbox comes out (what, 4 years?) would mean cheaper to produce not paying Sony anything....hmmm[/QUOTE]
Hypnosis seems to think MS would want to use HD-DVD as their next gaming format.
I still don't think we are quite at the 'Digital Distrubution' stage yet. I think next-gen is when we will slowly start to phase out the 'physical format'.
Hypnosis seems to think MS would want to use HD-DVD as their next gaming format.
I still don't think we are quite at the 'Digital Distrubution' stage yet. I think next-gen is when we will slowly start to phase out the 'physical format'.
[quote name='dpatel']
I know that '20 some movies' was just an estimate, but it really seems like you are really underwhelming BR.
I don't get the point of holding BR at a higher standard since it haas more studios. Consumers aren't going to care which has the better studio:movie ratio. They will go for what format has the movies they want.[/QUOTE]
According to Amazon Blu-Ray has 240 titles available TODAY that can be purchased while HD-DVD has 215. I was off by 15. For a format like Blu-Ray with so much in regards to exclusive studios they are really lacking on titles. They should be ATLEAST at 300+ right now. Of course Warner has not released some titles yet on Blu-Ray which are already on HD-DVD (V, Batman), but thats more of Blu-Rays fault for not getting Blu-Java upto standard.
As I always browse the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sections at Best Buy and Fry's, I constantly see people going back and fourth between them like they are making a decision. Thats NOT a good thing, but the obvious answer SHOULD be Blu-Ray with so much studio exclustivity (spelling?). Why choose HD-DVD because of Universal? Cheaper hardware? Better movies? Being supported by the DVD Forum? Who knows.
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Children of Men (Universal)
I know that '20 some movies' was just an estimate, but it really seems like you are really underwhelming BR.
I don't get the point of holding BR at a higher standard since it haas more studios. Consumers aren't going to care which has the better studio:movie ratio. They will go for what format has the movies they want.[/QUOTE]
According to Amazon Blu-Ray has 240 titles available TODAY that can be purchased while HD-DVD has 215. I was off by 15. For a format like Blu-Ray with so much in regards to exclusive studios they are really lacking on titles. They should be ATLEAST at 300+ right now. Of course Warner has not released some titles yet on Blu-Ray which are already on HD-DVD (V, Batman), but thats more of Blu-Rays fault for not getting Blu-Java upto standard.
As I always browse the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sections at Best Buy and Fry's, I constantly see people going back and fourth between them like they are making a decision. Thats NOT a good thing, but the obvious answer SHOULD be Blu-Ray with so much studio exclustivity (spelling?). Why choose HD-DVD because of Universal? Cheaper hardware? Better movies? Being supported by the DVD Forum? Who knows.
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Children of Men (Universal)
[quote name='dpatel']Hypnosis seems to think MS would want to use HD-DVD as their next gaming format.
I still don't think we are quite at the 'Digital Distrubution' stage yet. I think next-gen is when we will slowly start to phase out the 'physical format'.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a good idea atleast from a MS standpoint. Even if HD-DVD becomes 20-30% of the market, if it was included in the next Xbox...it would be different.
I'm still shocked the Elite 360 does not have a built-in HD-DVD drive.
I still don't think we are quite at the 'Digital Distrubution' stage yet. I think next-gen is when we will slowly start to phase out the 'physical format'.[/QUOTE]
Seems like a good idea atleast from a MS standpoint. Even if HD-DVD becomes 20-30% of the market, if it was included in the next Xbox...it would be different.
I'm still shocked the Elite 360 does not have a built-in HD-DVD drive.
[quote name='gizmogc']According to Amazon Blu-Ray has 240 titles available TODAY that can be purchased while HD-DVD has 215. I was off by 15. .[/QUOTE]
My fault, I thought you were counting 2007 releases.
[quote name='gizmogc']For a format like Blu-Ray with so much in regards to exclusive studios they are really lacking on titles. They should be ATLEAST at 300+ right now. Of course Warner has not released some titles yet on Blu-Ray which are already on HD-DVD (V, Batman), but thats more of Blu-Rays fault for not getting Blu-Java upto standard. As I always browse the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sections at Best Buy and Fry's, I constantly see people going back and fourth between them like they are making a decision. Thats NOT a good thing, but the obvious answer SHOULD be Blu-Ray with so much studio exclustivity (spelling?). Why choose HD-DVD because of Universal? Cheaper hardware? Better movies? Being supported by the DVD Forum? Who knows...[/QUOTE]
Again, why are we holding Blu-ray to a higher standard?
[quote name='gizmogc']Blu-Ray DOES have more announced titles at the moment, but we have not yet seen what Warner, Paramount, or Weinsteins have in the future for HD-DVD. Alot of Fox titles have been delayed so they have a good chance of never seeing release anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Are you assuming that blu-ray will just sit on their asses, and HD-DVD will come through with tons of movie announcements? All you are doing is just speculating that HD-DVD will have more future announcements than blu-ray. But, seeing as how you continue to reiterate that blu-ray does have more studio support on its side, I would be surprised if this were true.
My fault, I thought you were counting 2007 releases.
[quote name='gizmogc']For a format like Blu-Ray with so much in regards to exclusive studios they are really lacking on titles. They should be ATLEAST at 300+ right now. Of course Warner has not released some titles yet on Blu-Ray which are already on HD-DVD (V, Batman), but thats more of Blu-Rays fault for not getting Blu-Java upto standard. As I always browse the HD-DVD and Blu-Ray sections at Best Buy and Fry's, I constantly see people going back and fourth between them like they are making a decision. Thats NOT a good thing, but the obvious answer SHOULD be Blu-Ray with so much studio exclustivity (spelling?). Why choose HD-DVD because of Universal? Cheaper hardware? Better movies? Being supported by the DVD Forum? Who knows...[/QUOTE]
Again, why are we holding Blu-ray to a higher standard?
[quote name='gizmogc']Blu-Ray DOES have more announced titles at the moment, but we have not yet seen what Warner, Paramount, or Weinsteins have in the future for HD-DVD. Alot of Fox titles have been delayed so they have a good chance of never seeing release anytime soon.[/QUOTE]
Are you assuming that blu-ray will just sit on their asses, and HD-DVD will come through with tons of movie announcements? All you are doing is just speculating that HD-DVD will have more future announcements than blu-ray. But, seeing as how you continue to reiterate that blu-ray does have more studio support on its side, I would be surprised if this were true.
[quote name='dpatel']I still don't think we are quite at the 'Digital Distrubution' stage yet. I think next-gen is when we will slowly start to phase out the 'physical format'.[/QUOTE]I really don't think we're at the digital distribution stage yet either. With download speeds like they are now, and a 20GB HD for the 360 costing $100, which could only hold 3 games tops, I doubt we're close.
[quote name='gizmogc']Seems like a good idea atleast from a MS standpoint. Even if HD-DVD becomes 20-30% of the market, if it was included in the next Xbox...it would be different.[/QUOTE]
I'm still not convinced this is a good idea. Sure they would avoid paying royalties to the BDA (which does include Sony), but, by the time the next xbox comes out, blu-ray will be seen as an advantage for consoles to have (assuming it does win). Costs will have significantly decreased and demand would have significantly increased. I really don't see 'not paying BDA royalties' as a valid reason for opting out of Blu-ray next-gen.
EDIT: I think I may have misread your post. Are you saying that MS would try and make a come-back with HD-DVD by including it in the next xbox? If so, that's quite possible. But, it may be too late by then. Sure Blu-ray/HD-DVD still would be losing horribly to DVD at that time, but I doubt Universal can support HD-DVD for the life of the 360.
[quote name='gizmogc']I'm still shocked the Elite 360 does not have a built-in HD-DVD drive.[/QUOTE]
As am I. They could've gotten away with it. As far as this format war is concerned, I am glad. I know I'm being selfish, but I want this war over quick, and I would prefer BD to win.
I'm still not convinced this is a good idea. Sure they would avoid paying royalties to the BDA (which does include Sony), but, by the time the next xbox comes out, blu-ray will be seen as an advantage for consoles to have (assuming it does win). Costs will have significantly decreased and demand would have significantly increased. I really don't see 'not paying BDA royalties' as a valid reason for opting out of Blu-ray next-gen.
EDIT: I think I may have misread your post. Are you saying that MS would try and make a come-back with HD-DVD by including it in the next xbox? If so, that's quite possible. But, it may be too late by then. Sure Blu-ray/HD-DVD still would be losing horribly to DVD at that time, but I doubt Universal can support HD-DVD for the life of the 360.
[quote name='gizmogc']I'm still shocked the Elite 360 does not have a built-in HD-DVD drive.[/QUOTE]
As am I. They could've gotten away with it. As far as this format war is concerned, I am glad. I know I'm being selfish, but I want this war over quick, and I would prefer BD to win.
Blu-ray has some real heavy hitters coming out...Pirates, Cars, The Rock, Ghost Rider, Night at the Museum
I know Hd-dvd has the Matrix collection coming but really what else
now if Blu-ray does get there act together with consistency and and the java thing then there should be no stopping them, unfortunately
I know Hd-dvd has the Matrix collection coming but really what else
now if Blu-ray does get there act together with consistency and and the java thing then there should be no stopping them, unfortunately
[quote name='TimPV3']I really don't think we're at the digital distribution stage yet either. With download speeds like they are now, and a 20GB HD for the 360 costing $100, which could only hold 3 games tops, I doubt we're close.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we will every eliminate formats completely. I think BD or HD will coexist with digital distribution. Much like MP3s coexist with CDs. Sure CD sales dropped since MP3s were released, but they seem to be doing just fine.
I don't think we will every eliminate formats completely. I think BD or HD will coexist with digital distribution. Much like MP3s coexist with CDs. Sure CD sales dropped since MP3s were released, but they seem to be doing just fine.
[quote name='Jedi1979']Blu-ray has some real heavy hitters coming out...Pirates, Cars, The Rock, Ghost Rider, Night at the Museum
I know Hd-dvd has the Matrix collection coming but really what else
now if Blu-ray does get there act together with consistency and and the java thing then there should be no stopping them, unfortunately[/QUOTE]
I don't really see how The Rock, Ghost Rider, Night at the Museum are considered "heavy hitters". Yes, the last two did do well at the box office, but I would never buy them on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, to me they are crappy movies (Except Pirates). I have no desire in any animated film except Toy Story, Aladdin, or Lion King. Watchng talking Cars in HD does nothing for me.
Its hard to justify that a high box office will equal high sales in terms of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Ghost Rider was given some craptacular reviews (worst movie of the year, maybe?), yet did good at the box office. Will the DVD be as successful? Will the BR folks go nuts and buy this movie for the PQ and not becase of the movie ITSELF? Ultraviolet anyone?
I know Hd-dvd has the Matrix collection coming but really what else
now if Blu-ray does get there act together with consistency and and the java thing then there should be no stopping them, unfortunately[/QUOTE]
I don't really see how The Rock, Ghost Rider, Night at the Museum are considered "heavy hitters". Yes, the last two did do well at the box office, but I would never buy them on Blu-Ray or HD-DVD, to me they are crappy movies (Except Pirates). I have no desire in any animated film except Toy Story, Aladdin, or Lion King. Watchng talking Cars in HD does nothing for me.
Its hard to justify that a high box office will equal high sales in terms of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Ghost Rider was given some craptacular reviews (worst movie of the year, maybe?), yet did good at the box office. Will the DVD be as successful? Will the BR folks go nuts and buy this movie for the PQ and not becase of the movie ITSELF? Ultraviolet anyone?
[quote name='gizmogc']Its hard to justify that a high box office will equal high sales in terms of Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. Ghost Rider was given some craptacular reviews (worst movie of the year, maybe?), yet did good at the box office. Will the DVD be as successful? Will the BR folks go nuts and buy this movie for the PQ and not being of the movie ITSELF?[/QUOTE]
I think it's safe to assume that any box office hit will do well on DVD no matter how crappy the movie is. It's the reviews that are irrelevant to how well a movie does (sad, but true).
I think it's safe to assume that any box office hit will do well on DVD no matter how crappy the movie is. It's the reviews that are irrelevant to how well a movie does (sad, but true).
[quote name='dpatel']I think it's safe to assume that any box office hit will do well on DVD no matter how crappy the movie is. It's the reviews that are irrelevant to how well a movie does (sad, but true).[/QUOTE]
Sigh. Such a society we live in. I wonder how well Eragon did last week on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? The Blu-Ray was barebones (Thanks Fox!), and the movie was apparently horrible. My girlfriend keeps wanting me to buy it because she is a fan of the novels, but I'm not buying a movie written a 13 year old. Replacing the D in Dragon with an E? Genius!
Sigh. Such a society we live in. I wonder how well Eragon did last week on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? The Blu-Ray was barebones (Thanks Fox!), and the movie was apparently horrible. My girlfriend keeps wanting me to buy it because she is a fan of the novels, but I'm not buying a movie written a 13 year old. Replacing the D in Dragon with an E? Genius!
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I personally am pulling for HD-DVD because it has a lot more movies I like compared to Blu-Ray, and it's a cheaper.
[quote name='gizmogc']HD-DVD fan, I assume.[/QUOTE]
I just want to hear why people want HD-DVD as the winner in the long run. I understand the short term support, seeing as it is cheaper and may have movies you want, but in the end, all movies will end up on one format (assuming both formats succeed or die), so are there any reasons for wanting HD-DVD to win in the long run? To me, the choice it pretty clear which should be the winner. It would be advantageous to have the format with superior storage space to win in the long run.
I just want to hear why people want HD-DVD as the winner in the long run. I understand the short term support, seeing as it is cheaper and may have movies you want, but in the end, all movies will end up on one format (assuming both formats succeed or die), so are there any reasons for wanting HD-DVD to win in the long run? To me, the choice it pretty clear which should be the winner. It would be advantageous to have the format with superior storage space to win in the long run.
[quote name='dpatel']Just curious, why the 'unfortunately'?[/quote]
well , i was really hoping HD-DVD would find a why to come out on top and originally was sticking with them but with nothing coming out and everything going to blu-ray (that i was interested in) plus the fact that a ps3 deal fell into my lap i just had to switch, and so far with the viewings of Casino Royale, Ice age, Open Season, and even Rocky i am far more pleased then i ever was with my HD-dvds (excluding Serenity which always kicks ass)
well , i was really hoping HD-DVD would find a why to come out on top and originally was sticking with them but with nothing coming out and everything going to blu-ray (that i was interested in) plus the fact that a ps3 deal fell into my lap i just had to switch, and so far with the viewings of Casino Royale, Ice age, Open Season, and even Rocky i am far more pleased then i ever was with my HD-dvds (excluding Serenity which always kicks ass)
[quote name='Chris in Cali']I personally am pulling for HD-DVD because it has a lot more movies I like compared to Blu-Ray, and it's a cheaper.[/QUOTE]
Well, in the end, whichever format wins will decrease in price, and will most likely acquire all the movies that the losing format had. With that said, it would probably be more beneficial to have blu-ray as the winner.
Well, in the end, whichever format wins will decrease in price, and will most likely acquire all the movies that the losing format had. With that said, it would probably be more beneficial to have blu-ray as the winner.
[quote name='gizmogc']Sigh. Such a society we live in. I wonder how well Eragon did last week on Blu-Ray compared to DVD? The Blu-Ray was barebones (Thanks Fox!), and the movie was apparently horrible. My girlfriend keeps wanting me to buy it because she is a fan of the novels, but I'm not buying a movie written a 13 year old. Replacing the D in Dragon with an E? Genius![/QUOTE]
What's worse is that gaming is heading in that direction. When developers like 'Clover Studios' get shut down, yet Madden continues to top charts by updating rosters and adding a couple of new features (sorry madden fans. There are games that sell well and are just as crappy, but madden was the first thing that popped in my head).
What's worse is that gaming is heading in that direction. When developers like 'Clover Studios' get shut down, yet Madden continues to top charts by updating rosters and adding a couple of new features (sorry madden fans. There are games that sell well and are just as crappy, but madden was the first thing that popped in my head).
[quote name='dpatel']Well, in the end, whichever format wins will decrease in price, and will most likely acquire all the movies that the losing format had. With that said, it would probably be more beneficial to have blu-ray as the winner.[/QUOTE]
I don't want Blu-Ray as the winner simply because I despite there marketing tactics. Claiming victory so soon, claiming Blu-Ray will be the standard in 3 years etc. makes me hate them. Then again, as someone who has both formats, it does not matter as one simply won't stop working if it dies. If it was not for HD-DVD, Blu-Ray would be very expensive, we would still be at 25GB discs, titles would be $39.99+, etc. Competition is good...we get cheaper, BETTER products.
I don't want Blu-Ray as the winner simply because I despite there marketing tactics. Claiming victory so soon, claiming Blu-Ray will be the standard in 3 years etc. makes me hate them. Then again, as someone who has both formats, it does not matter as one simply won't stop working if it dies. If it was not for HD-DVD, Blu-Ray would be very expensive, we would still be at 25GB discs, titles would be $39.99+, etc. Competition is good...we get cheaper, BETTER products.
[quote name='Jedi1979']i know Ghost rider wasnt the greatest but i cant wait to see how it looks in HD in my living room and same with Night at the Museum which i personally have not seen but will buy when it comes out on Blu-ray...[/QUOTE]
Oh no, I WILL rent it, but would never buy Ghost Rider. I like Nicholas Cage so I will atleast do him the favor of renting it. Night at the Museum...maybe.
Oh no, I WILL rent it, but would never buy Ghost Rider. I like Nicholas Cage so I will atleast do him the favor of renting it. Night at the Museum...maybe.
[quote name='dpatel']I figured, but was there any advantages you saw in HD-DVD?[/quote]
at the time when i initially decided it was mainly since the addon for the 360 was coming out so it was cheap and the movies they had out already were decent but i didnt really look further into it at the time (about 4 months ago i guess)
at the time when i initially decided it was mainly since the addon for the 360 was coming out so it was cheap and the movies they had out already were decent but i didnt really look further into it at the time (about 4 months ago i guess)
[quote name='gizmogc']I don't want Blu-Ray as the winner simply because I despite there marketing tactics. Claiming victory so soon, claiming Blu-Ray will be the standard in 3 years etc. makes me hate them.[/QUOTE]
Personally, I don't really like any company, so either format winning would be bad for me if I were to take into account my personal tastes of companies.
[quote name='gizmogc']Then again, as someone who has both formats, it does not matter as one simply won't stop working if it dies. If it was not for HD-DVD, Blu-Ray would be very expensive, we would still be at 25GB discs, titles would be $39.99+, etc. Competition is good...we get cheaper, BETTER products.[/QUOTE]
True. Competition is helping in the short run, but now its getting to the point where it is actually starting to hurt the format wars. But, this isn't really an advantage of HD-DVD, so I really don't see why everyone is so supportive of the format. Also, BD would still be competing with DVD if HD-DVD didn't exist. Not sure how aggressive they would be against DVD, we can only speculate that.
Personally, I don't really like any company, so either format winning would be bad for me if I were to take into account my personal tastes of companies.
[quote name='gizmogc']Then again, as someone who has both formats, it does not matter as one simply won't stop working if it dies. If it was not for HD-DVD, Blu-Ray would be very expensive, we would still be at 25GB discs, titles would be $39.99+, etc. Competition is good...we get cheaper, BETTER products.[/QUOTE]
True. Competition is helping in the short run, but now its getting to the point where it is actually starting to hurt the format wars. But, this isn't really an advantage of HD-DVD, so I really don't see why everyone is so supportive of the format. Also, BD would still be competing with DVD if HD-DVD didn't exist. Not sure how aggressive they would be against DVD, we can only speculate that.
[quote name='Jedi1979']at the time when i initially decided it was mainly since the addon for the 360 was coming out so it was cheap and the movies they had out already were decent but i didnt really look further into it at the time (about 4 months ago i guess)[/QUOTE]
oh ok. Yea, the HD-DVD add-on definitely makes it tempting. I'm sure, even if the format does lose, it will be around long enough to make that HD-DVD add-on purchase worth it.
oh ok. Yea, the HD-DVD add-on definitely makes it tempting. I'm sure, even if the format does lose, it will be around long enough to make that HD-DVD add-on purchase worth it.
I am very interested to see how long until (or if) the mainstream market adopts the HD movie format (either one). I have this strange feeling that both are going to end up being footnotes in the format history, and that plain old cheap DVD will be dominant until bandwidth and codecs allowed digital distribution to be the new norm.
[quote name='daroga']I am very interested to see how long until (or if) the mainstream market adopts the HD movie format (either one). I have this strange feeling that both are going to end up being footnotes in the format history, and that plain old cheap DVD will be dominant until bandwidth and codecs allowed digital distribution to be the new norm.[/QUOTE]
I agree 100%. Digital distribution.
I agree 100%. Digital distribution.
Isn't Blu-Ray winning the format wars right now anyway? As for me, I prefer...old school DVDs. The quality difference between DVD and HD-DVD/Blu-Ray isn't as drastic as it was between VHS and DVD so I'll just hold out until one of them wins...and the price for a player goes down to like $50 or something:lol:
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[quote name='gizmogc']This was the apparent 'giant' news that beatboy77 was mentioning that would make Blu-Ray win. Release the extended (Yawn) editions on Blu-Ray only at the moment due to the delay of The Matrix because of Blu-Rays fault.[/quote]
But you have to admit, watching the extended versions of LOTR in Hi-Def is going to be awesome.
But you have to admit, watching the extended versions of LOTR in Hi-Def is going to be awesome.
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[quote name='dpatel']Yea, not the 'big news' that user was touting it to be, but still pretty good news.[/quote]
True, BTW, all the HD-DVD users ask themselves this question, in 3-4 years when blu-ray/hd-dvd burners come available, are you telling me you wouldn't appreciate the extra 10gb of stuff to put on a data disc? That extra 10gb can do wonders with backing up, and is one of the main reasons I want it to win.
True, BTW, all the HD-DVD users ask themselves this question, in 3-4 years when blu-ray/hd-dvd burners come available, are you telling me you wouldn't appreciate the extra 10gb of stuff to put on a data disc? That extra 10gb can do wonders with backing up, and is one of the main reasons I want it to win.
[quote name='H.Cornerstone']True, BTW, all the HD-DVD users ask themselves this question, in 3-4 years when blu-ray/hd-dvd burners come available, are you telling me you wouldn't appreciate the extra 10gb of stuff to put on a data disc? That extra 10gb can do wonders with backing up, and is one of the main reasons I want it to win.[/QUOTE]
Not really. If Toshiba is really working on a 51GB disc then it won't matter, right?
Not really. If Toshiba is really working on a 51GB disc then it won't matter, right?
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[quote name='gizmogc']Of course the rumor comes from the same guy who said Spider-man 1 and 2 would be released in May and many other things that never happened.[/quote]
BTW, why is it that Sony is taking so long in getting those movies on Blu-Ray? Those would be huge titles.. I wonder if they are waiting to release a 3pack with all 3...
BTW, why is it that Sony is taking so long in getting those movies on Blu-Ray? Those would be huge titles.. I wonder if they are waiting to release a 3pack with all 3...
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