Virtual rape in online games- a crime?

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no, this is not an Idolmaster thread.


Very interesting article:
http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commentary/sexdrive/2007/05/sexdrive_0504

Last month, two Belgian publications reported that the Brussels police have begun an investigation into a citizen's allegations of rape -- in Second Life.

I am half convinced that the tantalizingly brief story, printed in De Morgen and Het Laatste Nieuws, is a hoax or an April Fool's joke.

Yet it has prompted several threads of discussion, from a legal analysis to four pages of commentary at the Second Citizen forums.

Unfortunately, rape in virtual spaces is not unheard of. And I'm not talking about the "consensual" rape built into some games (although if you're interested in that debate, GameGrene has a good conversation about it).

There is no question that forced online sexual activity -- whether through text, animation, malicious scripts or other means -- is real; and is a traumatic experience that can have a profound and unpleasant aftermath, shaking your faith in yourself, in the community, in the platform, even in sex itself.

Our laws say that an adult subjecting a teenager or child to sexual words, images or suggestions on the internet is preying on their mental and emotional state in a sexual way. Even if you never try to meet the minor in person, and even if you never touch them or expose your naked self to them, it is a crime to attempt to engage sexually with a minor.

If it is a criminal offense to sexually abuse a child on the internet, how can we say it is not possible to rape an adult online?

But I have a hard time calling it "rape," or believing it's a matter for the police. No matter how disturbed you are by a brutal sexual attack online, you cannot equate it to shivering in a hospital with an assailant's sweat or other excretions still damp on your body.

That's not to say I dismiss the trauma a person suffers after being raped online. Virtual rape is not just a prank, one the target needs to get over or expect as part of a role-playing world. (And if you are inclined to pooh-pooh this, first read author Julian Dibble's chapter about a rape that occurred in a text-only MOO in the early '90s.)

A virtual rape is by definition sudden, explicit and often devastating. If you've never immersed yourself in online life, you might not realize the emotional availability it takes to be a regular member of an internet community. The psychological aspects of relating are magnified because the physical aspects are (mostly) removed.

Even regular users might not realize how wide open they are until something drastic happens -- they fall in love, get dumped, have a huge fight or get attacked in the online parallel of rape. In that context, a sexual assault can indeed have a deep impact on a person's life, especially if they are actual rape survivors.

Some suggest that the best way to deal with a virtual rape is to ignore it, or simply log off and come back as another user.

But in a game, you don't want to lose the long-term investment you've made in your character. And these days, your real world income or professional reputation can depend on your online self.

In a 3-D marketplace, your avatar's name is your brand. You can change the appearance of your cartoon without much impact, but changing your name makes it too difficult for customers or clients to find you.

If an online environment becomes too hostile or scary, or causes you such great anxiety you cannot work or interact with friends, more has been taken from you than your playtime. Your friends will gather around to give you emotional support -- but your customers will wander off and shop elsewhere.

Adult communities facilitate our need to go deeper into our sexual selves, even into secret places around gender and taboos that we cannot acknowledge anywhere else. We feel safe because of the peculiar blend of disclosure and anonymity provided in online communities, and we journey along paths we might not even glance at in the physical world. We don't expect to have our control wrenched away or our minds assaulted or even the intensity of our anguish during and after.

The truth is, anywhere people gather, we bring all of our potential with us -- for love, for sex, for community and creation, and for violence and destruction, too. That's why we still enjoy pondering whether cybersex is real sex and whether an online affair is more or less damaging to a relationship than a physical affair. It's a tacit acknowledgement that while the time-space continuum may change, people don't.

Rape is the ultimate perversion of sexual intimacy. Like sex, rape has mental and emotional elements that go beyond the body and the damage to the mind and spirit generally takes much longer to heal than the body.

But that doesn't make the psychological upheaval of virtual rape anywhere near the trauma of real rape. And I can't see us making virtual rape a matter for the real-life police.

It's a shitty thing to do to someone. But it's not a crime.
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This is a weird one...if someone started raping my character in Second Life, I'd consider it a waste of a few minutes. I guess people really do get attached to their avatars...but that's like the equivalent of someone raping your favorite stuffed animal, no? Sure they're a sick bastard, but it's of no consequence...that's what it seems like to me, on the surface of things.
 
I skimmed through this thing, way too long.

How does this happen exactly? Are they hacking your game or something.
It'd have to be impossible otherwise.
 
What is next, are we going to start arresting people for ganking in World of Warcraft? Virtual killing - a crime?

Doesn't the game have an ignore function? Can't you just ignore someone that is text raping you? This whole thing seems stupid, Second Life is a waste of space.
 
so if convicted of a virtual crime do you have to do virtual time as well? will your character be forced to stay in a jail where they will either join up with a virtual gang or get gang raped and sold around to other virtual innmates for packs of virtual cigs? this is the stupidest and silliest thing ive ever heard of ever. and if youre that into your game character that them getting raped affects you then you really need to spend less time on the net. hell itd be interesting to see if they could pull off a virtual version of Oz.
 
[quote name='Apossum']no, this is not an Idolmaster thread.


Very interesting article:
http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/commentary/sexdrive/2007/05/sexdrive_0504





This is a weird one...if someone started raping my character in Second Life, I'd consider it a waste of a few minutes. I guess people really do get attached to their avatars...but that's like the equivalent of someone raping your favorite stuffed animal, no? Sure they're a sick bastard, but it's of no consequence...that's what it seems like to me, on the surface of things.[/quote]As a stuffed animal rapist, I have to say I'm concerned over this news.
 
There are so many more real crimes that could use more attention that if this goes anywhere, my faith in humanity will dwindle further.
 
[quote name='Apossum']This is a weird one...if someone started raping my character in Second Life, I'd consider it a waste of a few minutes. I guess people really do get attached to their avatars...but that's like the equivalent of someone raping your favorite stuffed animal, no? Sure they're a sick bastard, but it's of no consequence...that's what it seems like to me, on the surface of things.[/quote]

Except, I'd sure as make sure that stuffed animal was clean and germ-free before the next time I touch it.

As for the SL rape story, just seems like a waste of a few minutes and it doesn't hurt anything.
 
If anyone seriously says they were virtually raped, they're nothing more than looking for attention. Beyond the fact that nothing is actually happening to them, all it takes for the 'rape' to stop is for them to turn off the program.
 
it doesn't count. Her actual person wasn't harmed in anyway. Don't give me that mental bullshit. "my coded computer program covered in textures was sexual assaulted" lock them up. I should be getting the electric chair for all of the people I've killed or harmed in video games if virtual(?) crimes count. Tell home girl to fuck off. From all of the stories coming from second life. That place seems worse then the real world.


Reality's Fringe;2893012 said:
In 7 years, everything you do will be recorded.

You must never change your sig.
 
[quote name='article about vapid douchebags that ought not be wasting my precious oxygen']And these days, your real world income or professional reputation can depend on your online self.[/quote]
If this sentence describes you, kill yourself. Immediately.
 
[quote name='geko29']If this sentence describes you, kill yourself. Immediately.[/QUOTE]


hey, gold-farming slaves are people too.
 
I'm sorry, but it's topics like this that really marginilize rape.

For all the guys in here, imagine if your girlfriend (wife, sister, whoever) came home sobbing because some guy forced himself on her while she wanted nothing to do to it.

Now, imagine that same person comes home crying becuase someone raped/touched, pixelated their character on Second Life (or any other game, since I haven't played SL).

Sorry, you might be annoyed, but it isn't the real thing. It isn't even close.
 
[quote name='lordxixor101']I'm sorry, but it's topics like this that really marginilize rape.

For all the guys in here, imagine if your girlfriend (wife, sister, whoever) came home sobbing because some guy forced himself on her while she wanted nothing to do to it.

Now, imagine that same person comes home crying becuase someone raped/touched, pixelated their character on Second Life (or any other game, since I haven't played SL).

Sorry, you might be annoyed, but it isn't the real thing. It isn't even close.[/QUOTE]


who...me? i'm not annoyed. I didn't post it because I agreed with it.

If the same person came home crying because of what happened to their character in a game, i'd say "so what, I rape Chacrana in DoA4 on XBL all the time but I don't hear him crying about it." (hopefully he sees this :lol: )
 
[quote name='Roufuss']Doesn't the game have an ignore function? Can't you just ignore someone that is text raping you? This whole thing seems stupid, Second Life is a waste of space.[/quote]

Good point, and that is the real difference between real and virtual harassment. An act like that should never get that far in the virtual space, if the virtual space is done right...
 
[quote name='Roufuss']What is next, are we going to start arresting people for ganking in World of Warcraft? Virtual killing - a crime?

Doesn't the game have an ignore function? Can't you just ignore someone that is text raping you? This whole thing seems stupid, Second Life is a waste of space.[/QUOTE]


they're so paralyzed with fear of the rapist that they can't hit the ignore function!
 
[quote name='lokizz']so if convicted of a virtual crime do you have to do virtual time as well? will your character be forced to stay in a jail where they will either join up with a virtual gang or get gang raped and sold around to other virtual innmates for packs of virtual cigs? this is the stupidest and silliest thing ive ever heard of ever. and if youre that into your game character that them getting raped affects you then you really need to spend less time on the net. hell itd be interesting to see if they could pull off a virtual version of Oz.[/QUOTE]


im sure rockstar games or another company has that game in the works :)
 
umm how does a virtual rape happpen? was her stats not high enough to fend off the attacker?? or was she not paid for her services and cried rape?
 
[quote name='Strell']Man.

You people really don't want to know what I'm doing to your avatars right now.[/QUOTE]

You'd better be oiling up my avatar's ass real nice or I'm gonna be really angry.
 
There is no question that forced online sexual activity
FORCED?????? WHAT THE fuckING HELL??? Nobody is fucking forcing you to go on the internet.

You are perfectly free to take your computer and burry it out in your back yard if you want.
If it is a criminal offense to sexually abuse a child on the internet, how can we say it is not possible to rape an adult online?
Because it's NOT possible. By using programs, people agree to be subject to any sexual advances or rude vulgarity that other users may visit upon them.

But in a game, you don't want to lose the long-term investment you've made in your character. And these days, your real world income or professional reputation can depend on your online self.
WELL TOO fuckING BAD. Boo fucking hoo. Oh poor you! Guess what? WHO GIVES A fuck? Get a fucking life, dumbass.
We don't expect to have our control wrenched away or our minds assaulted or even the intensity of our anguish during and after.
Excuse me? Did someone fucking hack your computer? Bolt you to your seat? NO. Rip the chord out of the wall, hit the "off" switch, or fucking CTRL-ALT-DEL your program.

Problem fucking solved. And there's you in complete control.



If you put all of your soul and life and time into positioning a speck of dust, and then someone walked by and blew your speck of dust out of place, good luck convincing someone to give a shit, much less charge the other person with even criminal negligence.
 
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