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#1 Full_Throttle   Seller of Soapy Residues CAGiversary!   877 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:32 AM

Hey all,

I have a couple of games for PC which are also for the 360 (CoD2, Oblivion) and some games which were direct ports from PS2. Considering I'll also be building myself an HD projector this summer, it seems practical to keep things neat and cool and get a controller instead of having to sit next to a hot computer when the screen is the other way.

My question is, would an xBox 360 controller be worth buying? One of the wireless ones, that is. Has anybody tried this with PC games? When I played on my dad's friend's 360, it felt natural to have a controller. I'm wondering if it would be the same if I uesd the controller for a PC port of the game (ie are there some functions added to PC that 360 doesn't have). Anybody have any experiences with this?


Thanks in advance.

#2 PenguinMaster   Sacrilicious CAGiversary!   3844 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:37 AM

It's an excellent controller but it'd be rather expensive because you'd need a Wireless Gaming Receiver to use it on the PC. Also the battery life sucks so I wouldn't get one without also getting a play and charge kit.

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#3 Graystone   ` CAGiversary!   15662 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 13 June 2007 - 02:52 AM

A controller helps from wrist strain, and you can customize the buttons on many games. But as far as added functions most games are the same on pc, and console when ported.

Logitech makes a great controller that costs about $20. Its shaped like a ps2 controller, and works great on many games.

#4 Ricochet   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   512 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 13 June 2007 - 03:18 AM

I use a wired xbox 360 controller for a few games on the pc and love it. Plenty of options in terms of setting it up to play almost every game without the use of the keyboard, considering most games now just have gamepad only settings. I highly recommend it.

#5 Full_Throttle   Seller of Soapy Residues CAGiversary!   877 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 03:22 AM

PenguinMaster: what about wired controllers? How long are the cords on those, and does it inhibit play in any way?

Graystone: I've looked at the Logitech ones shaped like PS2, and was planning to get one until Microsoft announced thier 360 PC controllers. In my opinion, the 360 controller has a better feel (I have slightly large hands) and looks nicer. The only thing setting me off is the price. $40 for wired, ~$90 for wireless including kits and such.


What about any other controllers, either wired or wireless, which would be good for games such as Halo 2, Mortal Kombat, Oblivion, etc?


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Is it possible to find the 360 button configs online, so I can set them to be the same for the PC games?

Ricochet: how is the sensitivity, and how easy is it to adjust it? I am unable to play any FPS games with my current gamepad because it's just terrible with sensitivity. It has only two settings: stop, and fast. How's the 360 PC?

EDIT: Are 360 and PS controllers that different? All I see is the left joystick and d-pad are switched on them. Would this hinder my experience? Because the Logitech wireless rumble pack gamepad runs for $20 less than 360's wireless.

#6 squirrel007   Will not stab you CAGiversary!   293 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 05:17 PM

I have a wired one that is made for windows... its a very nice controller. With the stuff I use it for you can easily change the sensitivity and such.

#7 Ricochet   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   512 Posts   Joined 13.7 Years Ago  

Posted 13 June 2007 - 06:38 PM

PenguinMaster: what about wired controllers? How long are the cords on those, and does it inhibit play in any way?

Graystone: I've looked at the Logitech ones shaped like PS2, and was planning to get one until Microsoft announced thier 360 PC controllers. In my opinion, the 360 controller has a better feel (I have slightly large hands) and looks nicer. The only thing setting me off is the price. $40 for wired, ~$90 for wireless including kits and such.


What about any other controllers, either wired or wireless, which would be good for games such as Halo 2, Mortal Kombat, Oblivion, etc?


PS
Is it possible to find the 360 button configs online, so I can set them to be the same for the PC games?

Ricochet: how is the sensitivity, and how easy is it to adjust it? I am unable to play any FPS games with my current gamepad because it's just terrible with sensitivity. It has only two settings: stop, and fast. How's the 360 PC?

EDIT: Are 360 and PS controllers that different? All I see is the left joystick and d-pad are switched on them. Would this hinder my experience? Because the Logitech wireless rumble pack gamepad runs for $20 less than 360's wireless.


Let me try to hammer some of these out for you.

I use a wired controller, as I said, and I've never had any problem with the length. I, too, have large hands and find the 360 controller just far more comfortable when playing games for a long while.

For many of the games you mentioned, the gamepad settings in the game should be identical to the console versions. If not, a quick google search will help you to easily find the layout of the console version so you can set it up in the game.

As for the sensitivity, when you first plug in the controller and install the driver from microsofts website, there's not much you can do besides messing with the windows gamepad settings (control panel->printers and other hardware->gamepad). However, after a bit of searching, i uninstalled microsofts driver and instead installed the xbcd driver (found here:http://www.redcl0ud.com/xbcd.html). This allows for multiple configurations and PLENTY of options to tweak the settings of your controller as you see fit. Here's a snapshot of xbcd:
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Again, although it's a bit pricey, I suggest a wired xbox 360 controller. You could always buy used or from the trading forum to save some cash.

#8 johnnypark   Farewell My Viking! CAGiversary!   3391 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Posted 13 June 2007 - 07:21 PM

I'm using a 360 pad to play Tomb Raider Anniversary, and I must say I'm very impressed. Since it's under the Games for Windows line, it comes with support built in, and the button layout is identical to TR Legend on the demo I played on 360.

Nothing against PC controls, but I often suffer from wrist pain from recurring tendonitis, so it's preferred for now. Plus a 3d platformer feels more natural with a gamepad.

Can't comment on wireless since it's a wired controller, but you can get a wired one for $30 used, which isn't a bad price at all.

#9 grendel19   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   685 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 13 June 2007 - 09:04 PM

I can also vouch for the wired 360 controller, but only with the xbcd drivers that Ricochet mentioned 2 posts up. That little program allows for a lot of fine tuning. Not sure if xbcd is compatible with Vista, I haven't tried it yet. Although games under the "Game for Window" banner will work with the 360 controller right out of the box, buttons all mapped out for you, so maybe you won't need xbcd for vista after all.

The length of the cord is plenty long, so it shouldn't get in your way. I used it to play Silent Hill 2 since it was just too awkward using the keyboard for that type of game. Worked great.

#10 HotShotX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3532 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

Posted 13 June 2007 - 11:11 PM

I dunno about your wired/wireless concerns, but as far as using a 360 controller on a PC, I'd say go for it. I play a lot of Battlefield myself, and when it comes to flying, that 360 controller makes me a terror of the skies. I get a ridiculous amount of precision and control with a controller than I cannot get over a keyboard.

Switch to a keyboard if you go on foot or aim a tank, but controller for fast land vehicles or air combat, it's a must.

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#11 TheBlueWizard   Indeed, O'Neill CAGiversary!   1038 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 13 June 2007 - 11:18 PM

Oblivion has HORRIBLE support for gamepads on the PC. There is a way to get it working with a 360 controller, but it never got set up quite right for me, no matter how much I tinkered with it.

TBW

#12 madportagee   Go for the Gold CAGiversary!   268 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 12:33 AM

i use mine for gametap. Its a wired controller. Everything works just great. I don't think i would use gametap half the time if i didnt have the controller. Then finding 3rd person games for cheaper on computer, is much better to play on the 360 controller.

#13 Full_Throttle   Seller of Soapy Residues CAGiversary!   877 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 12:37 AM

Hmmm... thanks to all for the posts. Sounds like the wired version is the way to go. My only problem is that I don't have USB 2.0 on my current computer (hoping to upgarde this summer). Would I experience lag on the controller if I plugged it into an old version of USB?

Well, has anyone tried using xbcd for Oblivion? That's one of the games I look forward to using a controller with. I'd be rather disappointed if I didn't get it to work at all.

Before I get it: has anyone tried both wired and wireless, and can comment if one was better than the other?

OH! And does the rumble function work when it's supposed to, ie when tanks go over you in CoD2?

#14 ITDEFX   My foot itches..must be athlete's foot CAGiversary!   17256 Posts   Joined 14.1 Years Ago  

Posted 14 June 2007 - 03:53 AM

i've been using this controller for about a year now

http://www.logitech....es/287&cl=us,en

sucks batteries like crazy and it feels a bit bulky and heavy but its ok.

Thought about the 360 PC controller, but for now this works.

#15 sonicfreak5   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   849 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 05:02 AM

now does the wired headset work with shadowrun for pc

#16 jalu6   jalu1-5 was already taken CAGiversary!   1900 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

Posted 14 June 2007 - 05:08 AM

Hmmm... thanks to all for the posts. Sounds like the wired version is the way to go. My only problem is that I don't have USB 2.0 on my current computer (hoping to upgarde this summer). Would I experience lag on the controller if I plugged it into an old version of USB?


No, you won't see any lag. USB is really just for convenience. Old serial joypads used to work fine, and USB is leaps and bounds faster. The computer just sees it as another keyboard, really.

#17 Dynamite   Shazam! CAGiversary!   875 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 15 June 2007 - 05:42 PM

Do I need a receiver if I already have a charge and play kit. Can't I just plug that in my computer directly and use it as if it was a wired controller? I skimmed through the above posts and didn't relaly see an answer to that.

#18 Number83   ¡oɹq 'ʎɹoʇs ןooɔ CAGiversary!   10520 Posts   Joined 13.1 Years Ago  

Posted 15 June 2007 - 06:05 PM

Beleive it or not, I still use the original Microsoft Sidewinder Precision Pro Gamepad that was released some umpteen years ago. It plugged into my original MIDI port on my soundcard. 3 PC's later, I have since replaced it with a USB adapter. I contol the gamepad with my left thumb and move/aim/select with the mouse.

Heh, I invented the Wii controller...

#19 Nogib   *squeezing* the *juice* CAGiversary!   1455 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 15 June 2007 - 08:39 PM

Do I need a receiver if I already have a charge and play kit. Can't I just plug that in my computer directly and use it as if it was a wired controller? I skimmed through the above posts and didn't relaly see an answer to that.


You need the reciever. Period. The charge and play cable does just what it says it does and nothing more: it supplies power for the battery and that's it. No actual data connection is made with that cable. That's been well known since the day the 360 came out.

#20 Full_Throttle   Seller of Soapy Residues CAGiversary!   877 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 06:20 AM

Hmm. I'm really swaying between wireless and wired.

Pros: Wired: no battery, long cable, cheap. Wireless: no cable, long range, nothing to get tangled up.


Cons: Wired: cable short compared to wireless range, might tangle. Wireless: battery life, pricey.


Could someone make the decision for me?

#21 madportagee   Go for the Gold CAGiversary!   268 Posts   Joined 13.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 06:32 AM

Hmm. I'm really swaying between wireless and wired.

Pros: Wired: no battery, long cable, cheap. Wireless: no cable, long range, nothing to get tangled up.


Cons: Wired: cable short compared to wireless range, might tangle. Wireless: battery life, pricey.


Could someone make the decision for me?



I would just get the wired, save $10 on the controller and I think another $10-20 on the wireless reciever thing. Unless you really want/need to sit more than 7ft from your computer, i would just save the money.

#22 SteveMcQ   I love Panda! CAGiversary!   7943 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 16 June 2007 - 06:36 AM

Go wireless and get a play and charge (or a quick charge kit -- $23.99 shipped at Deep Discount which comes with an extra battery). Unless you're going for some epic gaming sessions (10-12+ hours per day with headset use), I doubt you'll run out of battery. You can always just pop it in the quick charge overnight, or have it plugged in with the play and charge on your PC to charge while you sleep. Plus, for me, the wired controllers feels too light.

#23 Full_Throttle   Seller of Soapy Residues CAGiversary!   877 Posts   Joined 12.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 05:06 PM

madportagee: I honestly have no idea if I will need to sit 7' away from the computer. Thing is that I'll be using this on a projector I'll be building, so plans are still in the making. No idea what'll come out of it.

SteveMcQ: what's the difference between quick charge and play and charge? Does quick charge refill battery faster but with less juice in it?

#24 cdietschrun   Over the Hills, Far Away CAGiversary!   1312 Posts   Joined 11.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 05:15 PM

If you've got no idea, then we have no idea

#25 SteveMcQ   I love Panda! CAGiversary!   7943 Posts   Joined 15.1 Years Ago  

Posted 16 June 2007 - 05:24 PM

The play and charge is just a USB adapter cable that you can plug into any USB capable device to use your controller while charging it at the same time. However, the cable isn't all that long so if you wanna play while it's hooked up, you'll still have to be close to the USB source. Keep in mind, that though it hooks up a wireless controller to a USB port on your PC, it doesn't make it compatible with PC games. The cable only charges the controller. All the data is still transmitted wirelessly (is that a word?).

The quick charge kit is a battery charging station. It does bring the battery to a full charge quicker (something like two hours for one battery, I think). The advantage is that it comes with an extra rechargeable battery. So you can have one set in your controller and have another on the side charging so you can just swap out when one runs out. I don't believe there's a difference between the two as far as the charge capacity they give to the batteries.

#26 guyver2077   CAG Original CAGiversary!   16080 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 05:25 PM

the wireless receiver for the pc is the best invention ever...

#27 Baylro   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   102 Posts   Joined 12.4 Years Ago  

Posted 19 June 2007 - 12:27 AM

would the wireless usb adapter let me use my 360's wireless headset for ventrillo? if so im sold

edit
oh.. my 360 is right next to my pc.. would that be a pain with my 360 starting up when i want to use my pc or vice versa?

#28 Malik112099   Got Wife? CAGiversary!   8221 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 07:37 AM

would the wireless usb adapter let me use my 360's wireless headset for ventrillo? if so im sold

edit
oh.. my 360 is right next to my pc.. would that be a pain with my 360 starting up when i want to use my pc or vice versa?


using the 360's wireless headset on the pc is kinda crappy..i read a review where ALL of the pc audio came out through the wireless headset when you used it and none through the speakers

#29 level1online   Banned Banned   1306 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 19 June 2007 - 11:11 AM

The wired 360 controller is awesome for PC use. I've had it for about 2 years. I mostly use it for Halo 1, PS1 / CPS1+2 emulation. HADO-KEN! I love the D-Pad, it rocks - very responsive, not so much on XBL Arcade though.

I don't have to worry about batteries, and I know I'll have an extra controller when I finally buy my 360.

The only bad thing I would have to say about the 360 controller is that it's not Plug & Play on WinXP. By that I mean, You'll always need a drivers disk handy or an internet connection to install the drivers on someone else's PC.

I also have the Logitech wireless controller (ps2 shape/ black), picked it up because the 360 controller wasn't compatible with Devil May Cry 3. So I've mostly just used that one for other console ports (Sonic Heroes, Prince of Persia, etc). it's somewhat Plug & Play, but it's more responsive if you install the updated drivers disk. STAY AWAY from the blue wired logitech, it sucks. Very cheaply made, not responsive enough.

I also have a 3rd controller,it's a small six button Microsoft Sidewinder USB controller from the Win98 days. Its Plug & Play in XP, and works awesome with SNES & Neo Geo emulation.

#30 dragonreborn23   Banned Banned   940 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 June 2007 - 11:30 PM

The wired 360 controller is awesome for PC use. I've had it for about 2 years. I mostly use it for Halo 1, PS1 / CPS1+2 emulation. HADO-KEN! I love the D-Pad, it rocks - very responsive, not so much on XBL Arcade though.

I don't have to worry about batteries, and I know I'll have an extra controller when I finally buy my 360.

The only bad thing I would have to say about the 360 controller is that it's not Plug & Play on WinXP. By that I mean, You'll always need a drivers disk handy or an internet connection to install the drivers on someone else's PC.

I also have the Logitech wireless controller (ps2 shape/ black), picked it up because the 360 controller wasn't compatible with Devil May Cry 3. So I've mostly just used that one for other console ports (Sonic Heroes, Prince of Persia, etc). it's somewhat Plug & Play, but it's more responsive if you install the updated drivers disk. STAY AWAY from the blue wired logitech, it sucks. Very cheaply made, not responsive enough.

I also have a 3rd controller,it's a small six button Microsoft Sidewinder USB controller from the Win98 days. Its Plug & Play in XP, and works awesome with SNES & Neo Geo emulation.


Hey, thanks for all the info. Does anyone know of a place that reviews how certain games perform with the 360 controller? I am interested in picking up games such as: Tomb Raider Legend/Anniversary, Psychonauts, RE4, etc. I'd just like to know how they perform first.