Why vote for Kerry
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sblymnlcrymnl
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1) You are a communist
2) You think he's a badass for marrying into money
3) You believe he can lead this country in the right direction (see #1)
2) You think he's a badass for marrying into money
3) You believe he can lead this country in the right direction (see #1)
He is a much smarter man than GWB and he is our best chance to get this country out of all the trouble that our current president got us in.
Here are 10 reasons not to vote for Bush:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&e=2&u=/ucru/thecaseagainstbush
Here are 10 reasons not to vote for Bush:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&e=2&u=/ucru/thecaseagainstbush
Watch all 3 debates (which can be found at www.msnbc.com). I used to just like him because he was anti-bush, but he's proven himself to be much more than that during the debates. He'd be great even if he wasn't running against Bush.
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He is a much more nuanced individual with a greater attention to detal.
He has a very very good health plan. It's actually 70% based off a republicna health plan proposed by Bill Frist several years ago. He exagerates when he says it will cover all americans. But it should cover at least half of the uninsured. Hopefully it'll also cost less than the presidents prescription drug plan.
If the house and senate remains republican he will be a good moderating force in the federal goverment by acting as a democratic counter balance.
Ironically he can be more reliabily trusted as fiscally responsible or "conservative" than the president. That is shown by both his legislative record and by the Presidents lack of fiscal accounting.
He plans to roll back the tax cuts which is desperately needed if we're to keep out goovernment and economy fiscially soluable.
He has pledge the formation of two to three divsions. Troops desperately needed considering current rotations. The president has pledged not to expand the military roll call.
He supports No Child Left Behind.
I can think of a lot more given time but that's off the top of my head.
It's not just that he isn't bush. Kerry is actually a very good candidate with a lot on the table.
He has a very very good health plan. It's actually 70% based off a republicna health plan proposed by Bill Frist several years ago. He exagerates when he says it will cover all americans. But it should cover at least half of the uninsured. Hopefully it'll also cost less than the presidents prescription drug plan.
If the house and senate remains republican he will be a good moderating force in the federal goverment by acting as a democratic counter balance.
Ironically he can be more reliabily trusted as fiscally responsible or "conservative" than the president. That is shown by both his legislative record and by the Presidents lack of fiscal accounting.
He plans to roll back the tax cuts which is desperately needed if we're to keep out goovernment and economy fiscially soluable.
He has pledge the formation of two to three divsions. Troops desperately needed considering current rotations. The president has pledged not to expand the military roll call.
He supports No Child Left Behind.
I can think of a lot more given time but that's off the top of my head.
It's not just that he isn't bush. Kerry is actually a very good candidate with a lot on the table.
Kerry has a proven Senate track record of protecting the environment. His League of Conservation Voters record is 98%, the highest ever for a presidential candidate. This means that when an environmental vote came up, Kerry voted pro-environment 98% of the time. Bush's environmental record is the worst for a president in the history of our country. There couldn't be a clearer choice for president in this respect.
E-Z-B
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[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']1) You are a communist
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That's funny - didn't Powell say something yesterday about supporting the "One China" policy? Doesn't that mean Taiwan giving up its democracy in favor of communism? So much for promoting democracy around the world. I guess only if it benefits Bu$h.
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That's funny - didn't Powell say something yesterday about supporting the "One China" policy? Doesn't that mean Taiwan giving up its democracy in favor of communism? So much for promoting democracy around the world. I guess only if it benefits Bu$h.
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Kerry supports expanding stem cell research
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He is goin to tax the rich and avoid taxing the middle class and lower. Plus he has a much better understanding of science. He can seperate church and state instead of combining it. He wont use fear to push his agenda.
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I'm impressed...all very good reasons (except for the first couple posts, of course). Here's one more:
Kerry understands that, for a nation to survive in today's internet-connected global economy, it must be able to work favorably with other world nations. Bush has only lessened our image for the rest of the world...we're pretty much alone in the war in Iraq. Bush has turned the US into what is akin to the neighborhood bully...people may realize that it's easier to align with him to survive, they may respect his power, but they don't trust him one bit. And one day, someone will be confident enough and willing to stand up to the bully, and eventually overcome him, and the rest of the neighborhood will live much more happily for it.
Kerry is willing to re-build our ties with other world nations, and more importantly he understands and can articulate the importance of this. To me, that is reason enough to vote for him. We may be able to survive on our own for a few years, fighting the war on terror on our own terms, giving the finger to the rest of the world. But one day, another nation or nations may decide they've had enough. No nation in today's globally interconnected economy can survive on its own. Not even the US. Even if we were to completely rid the world of terrorism, what good would that do for us if we are despised by the world and left to whither away since the global economy will no longer want to play ball with us?
FYI...Thomas Friedman's "The Lexus and the Olive Tree" is a great resource for providing insight to how intricately our own economy is intertwined with those of other nations. Economic impacts in even the smallest nations are immediately felt on Wall Street. There are many countries that, if they decided to pull their investments out of the US for any reason, could cause a market crash that would make the depression look like a cake-walk.
Kerry understands that, for a nation to survive in today's internet-connected global economy, it must be able to work favorably with other world nations. Bush has only lessened our image for the rest of the world...we're pretty much alone in the war in Iraq. Bush has turned the US into what is akin to the neighborhood bully...people may realize that it's easier to align with him to survive, they may respect his power, but they don't trust him one bit. And one day, someone will be confident enough and willing to stand up to the bully, and eventually overcome him, and the rest of the neighborhood will live much more happily for it.
Kerry is willing to re-build our ties with other world nations, and more importantly he understands and can articulate the importance of this. To me, that is reason enough to vote for him. We may be able to survive on our own for a few years, fighting the war on terror on our own terms, giving the finger to the rest of the world. But one day, another nation or nations may decide they've had enough. No nation in today's globally interconnected economy can survive on its own. Not even the US. Even if we were to completely rid the world of terrorism, what good would that do for us if we are despised by the world and left to whither away since the global economy will no longer want to play ball with us?
FYI...Thomas Friedman's "The Lexus and the Olive Tree" is a great resource for providing insight to how intricately our own economy is intertwined with those of other nations. Economic impacts in even the smallest nations are immediately felt on Wall Street. There are many countries that, if they decided to pull their investments out of the US for any reason, could cause a market crash that would make the depression look like a cake-walk.
[quote name='E-Z-B'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']1) You are a communist
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That's funny - didn't Powell say something yesterday about supporting the "One China" policy? Doesn't that mean Taiwan giving up its democracy in favor of communism? So much for promoting democracy around the world. I guess only if it benefits Bu$h.[/quote]
Ugh, just ugh. Seriously I support Democracy worldwide PERIOD and don't you DARE bring up Iraq against me PAD, you or anyone else or I'll throw Iran in your faces. I don't care how OLD it is it's disgusting what happened. Is a Democracy with some Socialism aspects REALLY that bad and Iran would've had FEW, like one. If it didn't work so be it.
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That's funny - didn't Powell say something yesterday about supporting the "One China" policy? Doesn't that mean Taiwan giving up its democracy in favor of communism? So much for promoting democracy around the world. I guess only if it benefits Bu$h.[/quote]
Ugh, just ugh. Seriously I support Democracy worldwide PERIOD and don't you DARE bring up Iraq against me PAD, you or anyone else or I'll throw Iran in your faces. I don't care how OLD it is it's disgusting what happened. Is a Democracy with some Socialism aspects REALLY that bad and Iran would've had FEW, like one. If it didn't work so be it.
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[quote name='E-Z-B'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']1) You are a communist
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That's funny - didn't Powell say something yesterday about supporting the "One China" policy? Doesn't that mean Taiwan giving up its democracy in favor of communism? So much for promoting democracy around the world. I guess only if it benefits Bu$h.[/quote]
It was a joke, and I don't care what happens in the rest of the world as long as we don't get another FDR in office here.
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That's funny - didn't Powell say something yesterday about supporting the "One China" policy? Doesn't that mean Taiwan giving up its democracy in favor of communism? So much for promoting democracy around the world. I guess only if it benefits Bu$h.[/quote]
It was a joke, and I don't care what happens in the rest of the world as long as we don't get another FDR in office here.
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[quote name='Sarang01']So you're saying you wish we never had government works programs started up after the Depression and all those people went unemployed?[/quote]
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.
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[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Sarang01']So you're saying you wish we never had government works programs started up after the Depression and all those people went unemployed?[/quote]
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.
There needs to be 
ing changes in government policies to go with the times. Kerry is asking for that; he used to have a different opinion on things before, but now because he knows more FACTS, he knows that his opinion should be subject to change. Bush is a tard for insisting on his asinine policies and accusing Kerry of "flip-flopping" just because he is now more informed about particular issues. Bush is too, but he hasn't done a damn thing to change his policies.
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.
There needs to be ing changes in government policies to go with the times. Kerry is asking for that; he used to have a different opinion on things before, but now because he knows more FACTS, he knows that his opinion should be subject to change. Bush is a tard for insisting on his asinine policies and accusing Kerry of "flip-flopping" just because he is now more informed about particular issues. Bush is too, but he hasn't done a damn thing to change his policies.
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[quote name='Dead of Knight'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Sarang01']So you're saying you wish we never had government works programs started up after the Depression and all those people went unemployed?[/quote]
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.[/quote]
That's not even the same thing.
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.
[/quote]That's not even the same thing.
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.
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[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Dead of Knight'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Sarang01']So you're saying you wish we never had government works programs started up after the Depression and all those people went unemployed?[/quote]
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.[/quote]
That's not even the same thing.
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.[/quote]
Uh hello... Keansian Economic theory saved capitalism.
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.
[/quote]That's not even the same thing.
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.[/quote]
Uh hello... Keansian Economic theory saved capitalism.
Dead of Knight
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[quote name='sblymnlcrymnl']
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.[/quote]
Where's your proof they didn't do a thing then? Theing changes didn't happen overnight, they were gradual.
And it is the same thing. If you don't do anything, if you change nothing, then nothing will advance. It's common sense. You know, something Thomas Paine wrote about and W forgot about?
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.[/quote]
Where's your proof they didn't do a thing then? The
ing changes didn't happen overnight, they were gradual.And it is the same thing. If you don't do anything, if you change nothing, then nothing will advance. It's common sense. You know, something Thomas Paine wrote about and W forgot about?
PittsburghAfterDark
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1. Kerry had a Holiday In Cambodia
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
3. Kerry married up, maybe moreso than others.
4. Kerry has a definite plan to ruin small business.
5. Kerry can ignore his faith at the behest of Godless supporters and government.
6. Kerry thinks every pregnancy that doesn't result in a partial birth abortion or a liquidated blastocyst for stem cell research is a wasted pregnancy.
7. No other Presidential candidate negotiated with Communists as a Naval Reserve Officer to bring peace to the world!
8. He's the French looking candidate.
9. His running mate has a cunting whore for a wife.
10. He'll make sure that "Can I gets me a huntin' license here." is repeated for generations.
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
3. Kerry married up, maybe moreso than others.
4. Kerry has a definite plan to ruin small business.
5. Kerry can ignore his faith at the behest of Godless supporters and government.
6. Kerry thinks every pregnancy that doesn't result in a partial birth abortion or a liquidated blastocyst for stem cell research is a wasted pregnancy.
7. No other Presidential candidate negotiated with Communists as a Naval Reserve Officer to bring peace to the world!
8. He's the French looking candidate.
9. His running mate has a cunting whore for a wife.
10. He'll make sure that "Can I gets me a huntin' license here." is repeated for generations.
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[quote name='CheapyD']He is a much smarter man than GWB and he is our best chance to get this country out of all the trouble that our current president got us in.
Here are 10 reasons not to vote for Bush:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&e=2&u=/ucru/thecaseagainstbush[/quote]
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I always like to applaud some CheapyD activism.
Why vote for kerry?
Because you dont want a failed buisnessman, pet goat reader, youth killer, alienator, and a poor golfer as your leader.
Here are 10 reasons not to vote for Bush:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=127&e=2&u=/ucru/thecaseagainstbush[/quote]
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I always like to applaud some CheapyD activism.
Why vote for kerry?
Because you dont want a failed buisnessman, pet goat reader, youth killer, alienator, and a poor golfer as your leader.
spyhunterk19
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2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know
sblymnlcrymnl
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[quote name='Admiral Ackbar'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Dead of Knight'][quote name='sblymnlcrymnl'][quote name='Sarang01']So you're saying you wish we never had government works programs started up after the Depression and all those people went unemployed?[/quote]
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.[/quote]
That's not even the same thing.
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.[/quote]
Uh hello... Keansian Economic theory saved capitalism.[/quote]
War is what saves capitalism, every time.
This country would be a better place if he had done nothing.[/quote]
Unlikely. Just like it would have been a better place for keeping the Japanese in internment camps.
[/quote]That's not even the same thing.
The changes FDR made to this country didn't do any good then, and they're sure as hell hurting us now. It's a good thing that commie piece of shit died, otherwise we'd be living in the USSA.[/quote]
Uh hello... Keansian Economic theory saved capitalism.[/quote]
War is what saves capitalism, every time.
PittsburghAfterDark
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[quote name='spyhunterk19'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
If a vote is YES or NO it most certainly can be summed up in a sentence.
Only liberal fools who think yes and no is nuanced, who want to elaborate about "depends on what the meaning of is IS" and think supporting troops in combat is a difficult concept think a senate vote that is a simple YES or NO can't be treated as the simple matter it truly is.
There is no gray in this area, Kerry voted to send troops to war then voted to cut off their funding and supplies.
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
If a vote is YES or NO it most certainly can be summed up in a sentence.
Only liberal fools who think yes and no is nuanced, who want to elaborate about "depends on what the meaning of is IS" and think supporting troops in combat is a difficult concept think a senate vote that is a simple YES or NO can't be treated as the simple matter it truly is.
There is no gray in this area, Kerry voted to send troops to war then voted to cut off their funding and supplies.
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark'][quote name='spyhunterk19'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
If a vote is YES or NO it most certainly can be summed up in a sentence.
Only liberal fools who think yes and no is nuanced, who want to elaborate about "depends on what the meaning of is IS" and think supporting troops in combat is a difficult concept think a senate vote that is a simple YES or NO can't be treated as the simple matter it truly is.
There is no gray in this area, Kerry voted to send troops to war then voted to cut off their funding and supplies.[/quote]
So then we should hold President Bush accountable for threatening to veto said funding? I mean, here he is sending our troops to war, and then threatening to shoot down their funding over some political dispute.
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
If a vote is YES or NO it most certainly can be summed up in a sentence.
Only liberal fools who think yes and no is nuanced, who want to elaborate about "depends on what the meaning of is IS" and think supporting troops in combat is a difficult concept think a senate vote that is a simple YES or NO can't be treated as the simple matter it truly is.
There is no gray in this area, Kerry voted to send troops to war then voted to cut off their funding and supplies.[/quote]
So then we should hold President Bush accountable for threatening to veto said funding? I mean, here he is sending our troops to war, and then threatening to shoot down their funding over some political dispute.
[quote name='spyhunterk19'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
Ok, here is a better one.
Kerry voted for the troops to go to war then irresponsibly voted against funding them while they most needed it. Better?
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
Ok, here is a better one.
Kerry voted for the troops to go to war then irresponsibly voted against funding them while they most needed it. Better?
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[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']1. Kerry had a Holiday In Cambodia
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
3. Kerry married up, maybe moreso than others.
4. Kerry has a definite plan to ruin small business.
5. Kerry can ignore his faith at the behest of Godless supporters and government.
6. Kerry thinks every pregnancy that doesn't result in a partial birth abortion or a liquidated blastocyst for stem cell research is a wasted pregnancy.
7. No other Presidential candidate negotiated with Communists as a Naval Reserve Officer to bring peace to the world!
8. He's the French looking candidate.
9. His running mate has a cunting whore for a wife.
10. He'll make sure that "Can I gets me a huntin' license here." is repeated for generations.[/quote]
1. Bush had a holiday in Alabama while avoiding his Guard service.
2. Bush threatened to veto the $87 billion if "his base" (the top 2%) had to pay for it.
3. Bush married up. Probably a whole species.
4. Bush has a definite plan to ruin the country.
5. Bush waves his faith around because he can't accept facts.
6. Bush would rather pander to his religious right base than invest in stem cell research to benefit everyone.
7. No other President has alienated so much of the world.
8. Bush is the chimp-looking President.
9. Bush's running mate makes Ghengis Khan looky cuddly.
10. Bush has made so many stupid remarks that "bushism" has entered the English vocabulary. "You forgot Poland!"
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
3. Kerry married up, maybe moreso than others.
4. Kerry has a definite plan to ruin small business.
5. Kerry can ignore his faith at the behest of Godless supporters and government.
6. Kerry thinks every pregnancy that doesn't result in a partial birth abortion or a liquidated blastocyst for stem cell research is a wasted pregnancy.
7. No other Presidential candidate negotiated with Communists as a Naval Reserve Officer to bring peace to the world!
8. He's the French looking candidate.
9. His running mate has a cunting whore for a wife.
10. He'll make sure that "Can I gets me a huntin' license here." is repeated for generations.[/quote]
1. Bush had a holiday in Alabama while avoiding his Guard service.
2. Bush threatened to veto the $87 billion if "his base" (the top 2%) had to pay for it.
3. Bush married up. Probably a whole species.
4. Bush has a definite plan to ruin the country.
5. Bush waves his faith around because he can't accept facts.
6. Bush would rather pander to his religious right base than invest in stem cell research to benefit everyone.
7. No other President has alienated so much of the world.
8. Bush is the chimp-looking President.
9. Bush's running mate makes Ghengis Khan looky cuddly.
10. Bush has made so many stupid remarks that "bushism" has entered the English vocabulary. "You forgot Poland!"
[quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']1. Kerry had a Holiday In Cambodia[/quote]
btw some documentaries on this and other stuff here:
http://www.swiftvetsandpows.com/
btw some documentaries on this and other stuff here:
http://www.swiftvetsandpows.com/
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[quote name='Ruined'][quote name='spyhunterk19'][quote name='PittsburghAfterDark']
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
Ok, here is a better one.
Kerry voted for the troops to go to war then irresponsibly voted against funding them while they most needed it. Better?[/quote]
One more time for the nuanced-impaired - Kerry voted against the initial $87 billion troop fund bill because there was a separate bill that called for repealing the tax cuts for the top 2% to pay for the funds. Because you see, unlike Bush, Kerry knew damn well that Iraqi oil was never going to pay for the war like the administration promised. Kerry didn't want to run up the defict further, you know, fiscal responsibility. Bush threatened to veto the funding bill Kerry favored because he didn't want to upset his base. The difference is Kerry was one vote out of 100 and he knew that one of the two versions of funding would pass and the troops would be funded. Bush was threatening to veto the more fiscal responsible bill which would have cut funds off for the soldiers. So if anyone in this scenario was going to screw over the troops, it was Bush. Now I don't believe for a minute that either one would have gone on record doing anything to deny funding for the troops. This was solely an argument over how to pay for the funding and Bush is twisting it to claim kerry doesn't support soldiers which is ludicrous.
2. Kerry voted for the $87 billion before he voted against it.
.[/quote]
ok
For the last shaq-fuing time, you cant condense a senate vote into a freaking sentance! Its more complicated than ANY of us would EVER like to have to know[/quote]
Ok, here is a better one.
Kerry voted for the troops to go to war then irresponsibly voted against funding them while they most needed it. Better?
[/quote]One more time for the nuanced-impaired - Kerry voted against the initial $87 billion troop fund bill because there was a separate bill that called for repealing the tax cuts for the top 2% to pay for the funds. Because you see, unlike Bush, Kerry knew damn well that Iraqi oil was never going to pay for the war like the administration promised. Kerry didn't want to run up the defict further, you know, fiscal responsibility. Bush threatened to veto the funding bill Kerry favored because he didn't want to upset his base. The difference is Kerry was one vote out of 100 and he knew that one of the two versions of funding would pass and the troops would be funded. Bush was threatening to veto the more fiscal responsible bill which would have cut funds off for the soldiers. So if anyone in this scenario was going to screw over the troops, it was Bush. Now I don't believe for a minute that either one would have gone on record doing anything to deny funding for the troops. This was solely an argument over how to pay for the funding and Bush is twisting it to claim kerry doesn't support soldiers which is ludicrous.
[quote name='MrBadExample']One more time for the nuanced-impaired - Kerry voted against the initial $87 billion troop fund bill because there was a separate bill that called for repealing the tax cuts for the top 2% to pay for the funds. Because you see, unlike Bush, Kerry knew damn well that Iraqi oil was never going to pay for the war like the administration promised. Kerry didn't want to run up the defict further, you know, fiscal responsibility. Bush threatened to veto the funding bill Kerry favored because he didn't want to upset his base. The difference is Kerry was one vote out of 100 and he knew that one of the two versions of funding would pass and the troops would be funded. Bush was threatening to veto the more fiscal responsible bill which would have cut funds off for the soldiers. So if anyone in this scenario was going to screw over the troops, it was Bush. Now I don't believe for a minute that either one would have gone on record doing anything to deny funding for the troops. This was solely an argument over how to pay for the funding and Bush is twisting it to claim kerry doesn't support soldiers which is ludicrous.[/quote]
You can try to nuance your way out of it as much as you want, but the fact is clear - Kerry thought a protest vote would be a good idea when our troops needed funding most. His actions were irresponsible at best.
You can try to nuance your way out of it as much as you want, but the fact is clear - Kerry thought a protest vote would be a good idea when our troops needed funding most. His actions were irresponsible at best.
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[quote name='Ruined']You can try to nuance your way out of it as much as you want, but the fact is clear - Kerry thought a protest vote would be a good idea when our troops needed funding most. His actions were irresponsible at best.[/quote]
And Bush threatened a protest veto. The irresposible action was invading Iraq in the first place.
The funding for the troops was never in doubt. The only question was who was going to pay for it.
And Bush threatened a protest veto. The irresposible action was invading Iraq in the first place.
The funding for the troops was never in doubt. The only question was who was going to pay for it.
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