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#91 Kosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 23 November 2007 - 07:43 AM

It seems almost everyone understands what you are saying. However, only a very few agree with you. Most either, don't agree or don't care either way. It's one thing to be an activist and a complete other thing to be an asshat.

Reasons have been given why Cheapy went with the ads, he even said so on his podcast. They are valid reasons, whether you agree or not, and people have pointed that out in this very thread. You just had to go on and on, contradicting yourself all along the way. You entered the asshat territory long ago.

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#92 Zenxyz   Berserk!! CAGiversary!   473 Posts   Joined 11.6 Years Ago  

Posted 23 November 2007 - 11:47 PM

It seems almost everyone understands what you are saying. However, only a very few agree with you. Most either, don't agree or don't care either way. It's one thing to be an activist and a complete other thing to be an asshat.

Reasons have been given why Cheapy went with the ads, he even said so on his podcast. They are valid reasons, whether you agree or not, and people have pointed that out in this very thread. You just had to go on and on, contradicting yourself all along the way. You entered the asshat territory long ago.


I agree... after reading 5 pages of replies. I understand Justme8800's point, but at the same time he just keep on digging his hole bigger and bigger.
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#93 Justme8800   Not like the other 8799 CAGiversary!   244 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 06:45 PM

It seems almost everyone understands what you are saying. However, only a very few agree with you. Most either, don't agree or don't care either way. It's one thing to be an activist and a complete other thing to be an asshat.

Reasons have been given why Cheapy went with the ads, he even said so on his podcast. They are valid reasons, whether you agree or not, and people have pointed that out in this very thread. You just had to go on and on, contradicting yourself all along the way. You entered the asshat territory long ago.


OK, now I know you're just trolling me. I'm not even gonna bite that.

And it's not like I haven't seen any of the reasons for, it's that none of them outbalance the reasons against.

I agree... after reading 5 pages of replies. I understand Justme8800's point, but at the same time he just keep on digging his hole bigger and bigger.


That's one way to put it. Even as I've tried to lay my case clearer and clearer (or deeper and deeper, as you say), I've done my best to do it without wonton obscene insults, unlike some here who seem to enjoy provoking me.

I just really have trouble wrapping my head around the fact that so many people are swallowing this stunt hook line and sinker. Something that should be drawing an uproar from the listener community is flying over their heads, and they're hardly noticing it. How am I supposed to react other than to keep screaming, hoping that somewhere, someone else will take off their blinders.

As it seems, most of you guys seem perfectly content with this outrageous supplement. If that's honestly the way you feel, you don't have to keep telling me how my body is arranged, posts like that are not helpful to anyone. If you want to argue a point, that's great, but argue the point, not the one making it.

Really, I don't see why you guys are focusing on me here. Do you think the democratic points argued by Hillary Clinton are stupid because she's crap at debating? Are republican points argued by Fred Thompson stupid because he's the one saying them? I agree, those are bad examples, but just because you don't think highly of the one talking doesn't mean what they say is necessarily wrong. I am not what we're arguing about.

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#94 willardhaven   Thief of Life CAGiversary!   7086 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 06:57 PM

People are getting a little silly by stating that we are "getting" the 'cast for free.

Would anyone in their right mind pay for an amateur fan-made podcast?

I listen to it when I'm bored and it's fun, but there is nothing of value in anything that is said (granted the guest spots are a step in that direction).

I would say we are doing Cheapy more of a service by listening... if it wasn't for the people on this site, who the heck would Digg it or recommend it to others?

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#95 Kosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 24 November 2007 - 07:55 PM

And it's not like I haven't seen any of the reasons for, it's that none of them outbalance the reasons against.



Once again you state your opinion as fact and the asshattery continues.





People are getting a little silly by stating that we are "getting" the 'cast for free.

Would anyone in their right mind pay for an amateur fan-made podcast?

I listen to it when I'm bored and it's fun, but there is nothing of value in anything that is said (granted the guest spots are a step in that direction).

I would say we are doing Cheapy more of a service by listening... if it wasn't for the people on this site, who the heck would Digg it or recommend it to others?



You just made the best possible argument for Cheapy's reasoning for having the advertisements.

Having "A" list advertisers makes the show look more professional and not like an amatuer fan-made podcast. I'm sure there are lots of people that dismiss the podcast because of the same reasons you gave. Including probably some potential guests.

Now, since the podcast is being recognized by "A" list advertisers maybe some people and potential guests will recognize the podcast as being something worthwhile. Advertisers aren't going to pay money if the podcast isn't being listened to, their ad dollars would be wasted. This in turn may make potential guests want to be on the show more often.

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#96 willardhaven   Thief of Life CAGiversary!   7086 Posts   Joined 12.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 November 2007 - 09:44 PM

Not liking the ads and denying their value as a business move are two separate things.

That said I suppose I am naive in thinking that improving the quality of the podcast should take priority over gaining advertisers.

In the end it's up to Cheapy, I don't expect him to stop the ads because I dislike them. I have the power to fast forward through them or not listen to the podcast, but why attack the OP for criticizing?

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#97 Justme8800   Not like the other 8799 CAGiversary!   244 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 November 2007 - 01:21 AM

Once again you state your opinion as fact and the asshattery continues.


When did I say it was fact? I said it, so I would have thought the implication was clear that it was my opinion. Sorry, I'll clarify it: it is my opinion that none of the reasons for the ads outbalance the reasons against. Or was that another troll too? I can't tell with you.

Sheesh, since when was everything I say fact? Although I should be honored that you revered my word so much. Sorry to let you down, but believe it or not I have an opinion too.

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#98 sp00ge   Hey guys, I'm a turd! CAGiversary!   11453 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 25 November 2007 - 03:14 AM

I only skimmed this thread because there is way too much BS to sift through, but anyways....

Working for a TV station, I can tell you that without advertising, there would be no TV, no radio. Unless people are willing to shell out huge dollars to cover the costs of production, which are far higher than your cable provider charges.

Whether or not a viewer or group of viewers don't like a certain advertisement, it doesn't matter. As already mentioned, anytime you get a Grade-A advertiser, such as the Navy in this case, turning them down would be a bad idea. By running their ad, you open many more doors to other Grade-A advertisers. "If Company X is running their ads on this show, maybe we, Company Y, should as well."

Sure, there are going to be ads that viewers won't like. Take those 1 minute (as I call them) spam commercials. "Work from home! Be your own boss! Crazy like a fox!" They are obnoxious as hell, but they pay very, very well for airtime. And that is what it comes down to. Basically, limited commercial time will go to the highest bidder.

The more sponsorship you get, the higher the production values can be. A bigger, better show is possible. And when a show gets bigger and better, more exclusivity in stories and previews is possible.

That's what it comes down to. It's not a middle-finger to the viewer, as some people see it. It's about paying the bills and having the ability to do more for the viewers.

Kind of off-topic, but here's a fun thing for you to do. Next time you watch your local news, time out how many minutes of the show is commercials. Write it down and hold onto it for sweeps-season. Time out the commercial time and compare. I can guarantee 10-20% increase in commercials. Why? Prime commercial viewership opportunity. More people want to advertise and will pay for it. Same reason for Superbowl airtime being so expensive.


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#99 robot_jesus   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   6 Posts   Joined 10.4 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 02:07 AM

Honestly, you should read the thread before making a comment, because that was useless. Podcasts are a completely different beast than TV programs.

This thread is filled with users who are just mindlessly repeating Cheapy and Wombat's reasoning for the ads without even reading the OP's opinion. Any real argument or thought has been destroyed by Kosh, who has resorted to semantics.

It's really kind of disgusting to see somebody under constant attack because of their moral opinions. I'm sorry if you don't agree with him, but he has the right to share his views in an open forum.

It's not surprising his posts sound "high and mighty." If you were defending your opinions against all these internet tough guys you wouldn't want to sound like an idiot, would you?

#100 Kosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 November 2007 - 04:51 AM

Honestly, you should read the thread before making a comment, because that was useless. Podcasts are a completely different beast than TV programs.


They both take time and money to produce, how are they that different?

This thread is filled with users who are just mindlessly repeating Cheapy and Wombat's reasoning for the ads without even reading the OP's opinion.


Nope, everyone has read and understands his opinion. How could we not when he keeps on and on about it like a raving lunatic. It seems you and he need to go back and read other people's responses. Which is, most people don't care about his point.

If you were defending your opinions against all these internet tough guys you wouldn't want to sound like an idiot, would you?


It's way too late for that. First, it's "it's not that the ads are Navy", then it's "I'd listen if wasn't Navy ads", now it's "Cheapy's reasoning for having ads", or "no one understands me"... blah, blah, blah.


Face it, he's complaining just to complain. It's that simple.

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#101 polly   Karma Policeman CAGiversary!   382 Posts   Joined 10.5 Years Ago  

Posted 26 November 2007 - 05:49 AM

Well, the Navy's role in Iraq is pretty small. So whatever your feelings on that topic it really shouldn't be the issue.

That said, I think it's pretty lame we live in a country where the military has to advertise in the first place. I realize they do what they have to in order to hit their numbers but it's pretty ridiculous when you stop and think about it. I'd be all for mandatory service. We'd definitely have a much more responsible and politically aware population.

The major issue for me is that by running commercials for the Navy in the CAGcast, they're supporting a morally questionable ad campaign that as gamers we should be a little offended by. I am not a "military hater" or anything. My dad is a retired colonel. Several of my friends have served. I think it's a very admirable thing to do. But these ads are geared at deceiving kids into thinking it'll be just like Call of Duty. It's blatant. To the point where the military makes their own videogames and puts together tournaments which are basically recruiting sessions. Forget that yeah, you could die or come back wounded or disfigured. Instead it's, "Nice gamerscore. Military life is kickass fun too! So you want to be a badass for real? Sign here!" Pretty deceptive IMHO.

All in all, it's Cheapy's show. He's calling the shots. And hey, people gotta get paid. But I'd be lying if I said I didn't find the ads a little jarring. I just sit through them, shake my head, and enjoy the CAGcast for what it is. Free entertainment.

#102 Justme8800   Not like the other 8799 CAGiversary!   244 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 06:14 AM

Honestly, you should read the thread before making a comment, because that was useless. Podcasts are a completely different beast than TV programs.

This thread is filled with users who are just mindlessly repeating Cheapy and Wombat's reasoning for the ads without even reading the OP's opinion. Any real argument or thought has been destroyed by Kosh, who has resorted to semantics.

It's really kind of disgusting to see somebody under constant attack because of their moral opinions. I'm sorry if you don't agree with him, but he has the right to share his views in an open forum.

It's not surprising his posts sound "high and mighty." If you were defending your opinions against all these internet tough guys you wouldn't want to sound like an idiot, would you?


Thank you. Someone needed to step in and say that, 'cause no one was listening to me saying it, that's for sure.

You know, before this fiasco, I had high respect for the general CAG community. A group of gamers smart enough to realize that they don't have to pay full price for their games, and on top of that are collaborating and working together to achieve great means. How could they go wrong?

Now, it seems to me that a much greater percentage of them are just here for the freebies. Thorbahn3, a CAG with a respectable community standing, flamed me without even reading what I had to say. It seems that for the most part, the reaction is "ooh, an angry guy! Let's provoke him and see what he does!" Few people are taking this seriously (with the notable exception of Cheapy, ironic given my original approach), and many people are having trouble even seeing my point of view. I feel like every time I try to explain why two plus two is four, someone is asking where three comes into it. I've tried to be as understanding as I can, systematically reiterating that it is not five, six, or seven.

This place is almost as bad as the GameFAQs boards now. Heck, they've probably got more FAQs than we do deals.

They both take time and money to produce, how are they that different?


Yeah! So do Florida Key limes, school buses, and cookies! Oh, wait, we're looking for differences?

Did you miss the part where the TV shows' alternative is being taken off the air, whereas the CAGcast's alternative is not sounding like yet another trashy advercast? For the record, there are billions of people who do not put up with overtly annoying ads. I know I don't, and so do most people I know. And television companies are wondering why their ratings are dropping? Try not broadcasting 40% ad time, maybe that's the problem... nahhh. Why do you think internet podcasting is so popular in the first place?

Nope, everyone has read and understands his opinion. How could we not when he keeps on and on about it like a raving lunatic. It seems you and he need to go back and read other people's responses. Which is, most people don't care about his point.


He needs to go read those responses to see that nobody cares? Near as I can tell, there are three sorts of responses here; Those who understand my point and agree with it, those who understand my point, but are loyal to the word of Cheapy with the kind of zeal usually reserved for crazy fanboys, and those who have discovered that I respond to trolls when they ridicule my cause. The first two are fine, and expected. The latter is just being annoying, though, and isn't really adding anything to the discussion.

It's way too late for that. First, it's "it's not that the ads are Navy", then it's "I'd listen if wasn't Navy ads", now it's "Cheapy's reasoning for having ads", or "no one understands me"... blah, blah, blah.


What are you on about? You only just noticed that I actually have more than one complaint about this? I'm pretty sure I outlined everything from the beginning, there. As to why I keep on explaining, it's because people are in effect asking me to. "Why this?" "This is why." "Why this?" "Ok, I'll elaborate for you." "I don't agree with this point here." "Here's why I do." "You disagree with this other point." "And here's why."

Why shouldn't I explain why I say what I say?


Face it, he's complaining just to complain. It's that simple.


Ok, that is really pissing me off. You think I have nothing better to do than bicker with flamers jeering at me for getting blown off "the man" like a flea? I do not enjoy this. I am putting this effort in because I do not want the CAGcast to deteriorate into an infested shell of its former self. Frankly I am shocked that so many CAGs are actively standing in my way, much less standing aside and rooting for me or, god forbid, joining me in my efforts to save the CAGcast from these shackles it seems to be so gleefully attaching itself to.

Kosh, I've tried to be adult about your trolling, but this is enough. If you have an argument against the CAGcast's integrity, lay it out and explain why you support it. If you have nothing but semantic complaints about how I write, please leave this thread and don't come back. You or I are not part of this discussion.

#103 Kosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 26 November 2007 - 02:50 PM

Have you been to cheapassgamer.com? Not the forums, but the front page of this website. If so, you realize that this is a business, that's right CAG including the CAGcast is a business ran by CheapyD. Take a look at that front page again, see the ads, not just the normal ads, but all the links to buying different games at different sites. Cheapy makes a small commission everytime someone clicks one of those links and buys a game. I'm sure it's not a lot, and I'm sure most of it goes back into the site, but I'm also sure he makes some kind of profit off of them.

I'd like to think he produces the CAGcast out of the bottom of his heart, and for the most part he probably does. However, the CAGcast is part of cheapassgamer.com, therefore a part of Cheapy's business. Is it too much to think that he might put some advertisements in the show. I understand he's giving the money from the ads to a charity, but hey, that's still a possible tax write off so he still could benefit from the ads.

So Cheapy puts time and money into making the CAGcast, now he and Wombat are getting something out of it. I say, good for them. Therefore, I find absolutely no problem with him putting ads into his show. No problem at all. That's my stance on this whole thing. Of course, nothing I've said hasn't been said before, so it's nothing new. You just have a problem listening.

As for why podcasting is so popular, I'm sure less advertising is one of the reasons why. Along with the fact that this particular podcast covers a topic that you can't find very often in other forms of media, ie. TV and Radio. There's also the fact that it's portable and the user can listen at his or her convenience. The last two are my reasons, I could care less about ads.

As far as your crusade against these ads and the supposed "deterioration" of the CAGcast, I have this to say. I think you are pretty naive to think that eventually advertisements wouldn't start coming to this relatively new form of media. Especially a podcast that is part of a business, like the CAGcast is as a part of the cheapassgamer.com business.

So, good luck with your crusade. Why stop at the CAGcast though. 1up has been putting ads in their podcasts as well. Outside of video game podcasts, Ricky Gervais has had ads in his podcasts since the beginning. In fact, when they first came out his podcasts were free, now you have to pay for them. Yes, pay for podcasts, heaven forbid anyone try to make a buck for taking the time and effort to produce entertainment for other people.

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#104 Mookyjooky   Work is play... CAGiversary!   5202 Posts   Joined 12.4 Years Ago  

Posted 26 November 2007 - 02:56 PM

I just dont understand how having ads in your cast makes you lack "Class"

Insulting stuff you didnt even have to pay for is retarded.

#105 SirMikael   Touch Not This CAG CAGiversary!   425 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 November 2007 - 04:03 PM

Frankly I am shocked that so many CAGs are actively standing in my way, much less standing aside and rooting for me or, god forbid, joining me in my efforts to save the CAGcast from these shackles it seems to be so gleefully attaching itself to.

I don't think CAGs are exactly "standing in your way", but instead are perhaps "standing up" for the decision to place short ads in the CAGCast.

Having revenue involved keeps CheapyD and Wombat hungry, and that keeps the podcasts coming, which in the end - is all I care about.

I don't know your age, but it just seems like you haven't fully grasped the concept of "Choose your battles wisely". Just my opinion...

#106 sp00ge   Hey guys, I'm a turd! CAGiversary!   11453 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 26 November 2007 - 04:12 PM

Yvan eht nioj! :roll: This whole "crusade" absolute reeks of Cindy Sheehan.

I say Cheapy should run some birth control ads next and see how much more whining comes of it. Maybe he can get 2 complaints this time.


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#107 Justme8800   Not like the other 8799 CAGiversary!   244 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 November 2007 - 07:36 AM

Have you been to cheapassgamer.com? Not the forums, but the front page of this website. If so, you realize that this is a business, that's right CAG including the CAGcast is a business ran by CheapyD. Take a look at that front page again, see the ads, not just the normal ads, but all the links to buying different games at different sites. Cheapy makes a small commission everytime someone clicks one of those links and buys a game. I'm sure it's not a lot, and I'm sure most of it goes back into the site, but I'm also sure he makes some kind of profit off of them.

I'd like to think he produces the CAGcast out of the bottom of his heart, and for the most part he probably does. However, the CAGcast is part of cheapassgamer.com, therefore a part of Cheapy's business. Is it too much to think that he might put some advertisements in the show. I understand he's giving the money from the ads to a charity, but hey, that's still a possible tax write off so he still could benefit from the ads.

So Cheapy puts time and money into making the CAGcast, now he and Wombat are getting something out of it. I say, good for them. Therefore, I find absolutely no problem with him putting ads into his show. No problem at all. That's my stance on this whole thing. Of course, nothing I've said hasn't been said before, so it's nothing new. You just have a problem listening.

As for why podcasting is so popular, I'm sure less advertising is one of the reasons why. Along with the fact that this particular podcast covers a topic that you can't find very often in other forms of media, ie. TV and Radio. There's also the fact that it's portable and the user can listen at his or her convenience. The last two are my reasons, I could care less about ads.

As far as your crusade against these ads and the supposed "deterioration" of the CAGcast, I have this to say. I think you are pretty naive to think that eventually advertisements wouldn't start coming to this relatively new form of media. Especially a podcast that is part of a business, like the CAGcast is as a part of the cheapassgamer.com business.

So, good luck with your crusade. Why stop at the CAGcast though. 1up has been putting ads in their podcasts as well. Outside of video game podcasts, Ricky Gervais has had ads in his podcasts since the beginning. In fact, when they first came out his podcasts were free, now you have to pay for them. Yes, pay for podcasts, heaven forbid anyone try to make a buck for taking the time and effort to produce entertainment for other people.


That's a little more like it, thanks for laying down your position instead of just taking potshots at mine. Here's why I don't agree with you:

You say CheapAssGamer is primarily a business. I say CheapAssGamer is primarily a community, whose webmaster happens to make some money though affiliate links and banner ads. CAG would be nothing without the CAGs, so that begs the question; If CAG is a business, who does Cheapy consider to be his customers?

This is somewhat of a tangent, but lets find out the answer anyways. The CAGs? Not really, they're just here to support each other. Aside from occasional donations or whatnot, they are, as the site so boldy proclaims, cheap asses. So who else? Oh, right, the advertisers! They're the ones actually paying Cheapy for the CAG eyeballs/ears. That makes us CAGs, what, commodities? You don't find that mildly insulting?

Now, it's one thing for a website to mildly annoy its readers, it's understandably necessary to recoup bandwith and other costs. It's understandable for a TV or radio show to do that. It's quite another thing altogether to do it for its own sake, while blowing off the money saying you don't even need it. No one hears an ad and thinks "now they've got integrity," not even industry insiders. When I hear an ad, I hear the production saying "we are desperate enough to sully our creation with this obnoxious endorsement." What I hear Cheapy saying is more along the lines of "I don't need to do this or anything, I'm just going to rub these all over the shiny CAGcast 'cause I think it needs to look uglier." That is insulting enough to the listener to warrant boycott, and I can't believe I am the only one who feels that way.

How am I naive to feel that sort of insult is unnecessary?

As for 1up or any of those other crapcasts, I'm generally of the opinion that they're not worth listening to even despite the ads. The CAGcast is something good enough that it doesn't need to go that route, and I believe it is worth the effort it's taking to save. Cheapy should be offended that you don't.


I just dont understand how having ads in your cast makes you lack "Class"

Insulting stuff you didnt even have to pay for is retarded.


Insulting one's listeners is retarded.

The "class" thing was wrapped up the instant Cheapy replied to this thread. It had nothing to do with the ads in the first place.


I don't think CAGs are exactly "standing in your way", but instead are perhaps "standing up" for the decision to place short ads in the CAGCast.


Other than semantics, what's the difference there? They are hands still feeding the dog that bit them. They are actively siding with an obligation they feel towards defending the word of Cheapy, no matter what the words say. They are putting up with tripe that does not need putting up with.

There are many ways to analogically describe what they are doing. That's all beside the point that they are doing it.

Having revenue involved keeps CheapyD and Wombat hungry, and that keeps the podcasts coming, which in the end - is all I care about.


If only Cheapy agreed with that. 'Cause, you know, he did say something about "not even needing the money...." This is kind of the issue here.

I don't know your age, but it just seems like you haven't fully grasped the concept of "Choose your battles wisely". Just my opinion...


You mean, only play games you'll win? Maybe one day you'll grasp the concept of a conscience. Cheapy may bring the CAGcast down into whatever ad infested hellhole he likes, but at least I'll be able to sleep soundly knowing that I did everything in my ability to save him.


Yvan eht nioj! :roll: This whole "crusade" absolute reeks of Cindy Sheehan.

I say Cheapy should run some birth control ads next and see how much more whining comes of it. Maybe he can get 2 complaints this time.



Yeah, and most of these replies reek of redneck hillbillies with sawed-off shotguns, saying "we don't like yer kind in these parts."

Now, see how ridiculous that was? Making comparisons to rival Godwin is not helping. I am trying to help Cheapy and the CAGcast, not impeach him.

As for birth control ads, I would be surprised if he could pull that off given the audience represented in this thread, and the unlikelyhood that a significant amount of them are in any danger of procreating. Then again, maybe it would be a good idea to run them just to make sure.

#108 Kosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:04 PM

You say CheapAssGamer is primarily a business. I say CheapAssGamer is primarily a community, whose webmaster happens to make some money though affiliate links and banner ads. CAG would be nothing without the CAGs, so that begs the question; If CAG is a business, who does Cheapy consider to be his customers?


Yes, the CAGs are his customers. If you've ever clicked on one of the links on the front page and bought something, you are one of his customers. Cheapy was the middleman and he recieved a commission off your purchase. Pretty similar to a salesman really.

This is somewhat of a tangent, but lets find out the answer anyways. The CAGs? Not really, they're just here to support each other. Aside from occasional donations or whatnot, they are, as the site so boldy proclaims, cheap asses. So who else? Oh, right, the advertisers! They're the ones actually paying Cheapy for the CAG eyeballs/ears. That makes us CAGs, what, commodities? You don't find that mildly insulting?


No, I don't. I completely understand my role here. If you find it insulting then you probably shouldn't be at this website, because that's they way it is, it's a fact. I'm not saying that's the number one reason the site was created and I'm not even saying it's the number one reason the site still exists, however it's still a fact that Cheapy makes money off of this website and CAGs.

Now, it's one thing for a website to mildly annoy its readers, it's understandably necessary to recoup bandwith and other costs. It's understandable for a TV or radio show to do that. It's quite another thing altogether to do it for its own sake, while blowing off the money saying you don't even need it.


I know Cheapy said he doesn't need the money. What about Wombat? He's said he'd definitely take the money and I'm sure he does. I'm not sure about Wombat's business relationship as far as cheapassgamer.com goes and making money off the commissions, but he is a part of the CAGcast. Being part of the CAGcast should allow him some sort of compensation and the ads do that.

No one hears an ad and thinks "now they've got integrity," not even industry insiders.


Prove it. Are you an industry insider?

That is insulting enough to the listener to warrant boycott, and I can't believe I am the only one who feels that way.


You're not the only one probably. However, I think you are in the minority and I think that minority is very small.


Cheapy may bring the CAGcast down into whatever ad infested hellhole he likes, but at least I'll be able to sleep soundly knowing that I did everything in my ability to save him.


I think this is where you are running into problems. You've asked in other posts why people have a problem with you and not your message, this is it. You think you're the single handed saviour of the CAGcast. Just like big government, I don't need you to save me from myself and I'm pretty sure Cheapy doesn't need you to save him from his business decisions. If you've seen this site, I think you'd have to agree he makes some pretty good business decisions on his own. If people don't like the ads they will stop listening on their own, they don't need you to save them from the dirty, dirty capitalists.

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#109 sp00ge   Hey guys, I'm a turd! CAGiversary!   11453 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

Posted 27 November 2007 - 02:25 PM

Yeah, and most of these replies reek of redneck hillbillies with sawed-off shotguns, saying "we don't like yer kind in these parts."

Now, see how ridiculous that was? Making comparisons to rival Godwin is not helping. I am trying to help Cheapy and the CAGcast, not impeach him.

As for birth control ads, I would be surprised if he could pull that off given the audience represented in this thread, and the unlikelyhood that a significant amount of them are in any danger of procreating. Then again, maybe it would be a good idea to run them just to make sure.


How are you trying to help him when you are the only one that has an apparent problem with what he's doing? Sure, other people have said they really don't care for it, but as said, they just ignore it.

Why not give up your crusade and save your energy and efforts for something that really makes a difference, like helping starving families? You sure seem to be putting an awful lot of time into this and for what? Why not actually try to make a difference where it counts?

As far as I'm concerned, you're just a rabble-rouser looking to get a rise out of people. The majority of spoken on the issue and don't agree with you. The same rights that allow you to whine about something frivelous also gives the rest of us the right to disagree and speak our minds.


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#110 mikeohara   Metal Is Not Easy CAGiversary!   372 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 28 November 2007 - 06:34 AM

also, a general FYI for the person who mentioned something about enhanced podcasts ... they also work in Windows Media Player, as at one time Major Nelson was doing them.

I for one don't mind the Navy ads at all, a lot of the podcasts I listen to (TWIT leading the list) has a single commercial before the show.

#111 Chicken008   CAG Veteran CAGiversary!   18 Posts   Joined 8.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 November 2007 - 03:35 PM

Well, I live in Canada, so I don't get ads on my CAGcast. :D

#112 Justme8800   Not like the other 8799 CAGiversary!   244 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 03 December 2007 - 03:29 AM

I think this is where you are running into problems. You've asked in other posts why people have a problem with you and not your message, this is it. You think you're the single handed saviour of the CAGcast. Just like big government, I don't need you to save me from myself and I'm pretty sure Cheapy doesn't need you to save him from his business decisions. If you've seen this site, I think you'd have to agree he makes some pretty good business decisions on his own. If people don't like the ads they will stop listening on their own, they don't need you to save them from the dirty, dirty capitalists.


*Sigh* I know perfectly well what problems people have with me, that's been fairly well established. What I'm asking is for people to stop focusing on me, and instead on the issue at hand.

I do not think of myself as any kind of savior. Though I'm being made out as some kind of martyr, I don't agree with that either. I'm simply expressing why I am distraught with something that I am reasonably unhappy with. I am not some Jesus-like "savior" telling you what to think, I am telling you what I think.

True, I do harbor the small hope that Cheapy might see these problems with his show, and fix them. I'm not holding my breath, though.

How are you trying to help him when you are the only one that has an apparent problem with what he's doing? Sure, other people have said they really don't care for it, but as said, they just ignore it.


In five years, when CAG is some giant media conglomerate feeding greedily on ad deals, and Wombat gets fired for some less-than-positive opinion on an advertiser's product, I just want you all to know that I ****ing called it.

Why not give up your crusade and save your energy and efforts for something that really makes a difference, like helping starving families? You sure seem to be putting an awful lot of time into this and for what? Why not actually try to make a difference where it counts?


Who instilled this "crusade" idea into your head? I'm putting far more time into this than I ever intended, simply because it's something that needs time put into it. Few others seem to want to go against the will of the conformist masses, and I'm not about to let this scandal fly by uncontested. It needs to be said, and you sure as heck aren't about to say it, are you? Oh wait, you're too busy helping starving families.

As far as I'm concerned, you're just a rabble-rouser looking to get a rise out of people. The majority of spoken on the issue and don't agree with you. The same rights that allow you to whine about something frivelous also gives the rest of us the right to disagree and speak our minds.


If that's really what you think, you don't have to exercise your "right" to take part in this. I shouldn't have to point out that the "majority" is not always correct, especially when it comes to opinion. Are you saying minorities should remain silent because they aren't the majority?

Well, I live in Canada, so I don't get ads on my CAGcast. :D



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#113 Kosh   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   104 Posts   Joined 9.1 Years Ago  

Posted 03 December 2007 - 03:39 AM

In five years, when CAG is some giant media conglomerate feeding greedily on ad deals, and Wombat gets fired for some less-than-positive opinion on an advertiser's product, I just want you all to know that I ****ing called it.



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#114 PlumeNoir   Ch'p is still a badass CAGiversary!   7183 Posts   Joined 11.4 Years Ago  

Posted 03 December 2007 - 04:40 AM

All this is about less than 2 minutes of ads?

I have gone through this thread, and I still don't quite understand what JustMe's problem is. Do you flip out when you see a billboard as you drive down the street, too?

Besides, Cheapy had a point: the Navy is a prime advertiser. (Oh no! I'm a parrot! Squawk-squawk!) He is trying to build the show, and bring in revenue. It is a good thing you weren't alive during WW2 when there was a Draft and military posters were everywhere. (Hell, even Batman and Superman were used to sell war bonds.) Obviously, I'm not comparing the current clusterfuck to WW2, but the point is the same - it is just an ad, you can ignore it.

Cheapy and Wombat have been doing this, what, 95 episodes with no ads. Add in the preparation time and post-production, and that is a lot of time invested that they have been giving away. (Time is money, afterall.) I, for one, all for seeing Cheapy and (especially) Wombat make some cash for all their efforts. Hell, I could even handle a couple more ads, if they were put into stopsets, ala a radio hour.

And let's look at the CAGcast history: there have been numerous off-color comments and drug references made, but that was all okay? Was it because it was "cool" because it was unsponsered? So, the Navy wants to buy time on the show, let them! I take this as a good thing: the CAGcast has "made it" and advertisers see this as a way to reach people.

There are a lot of problems in this world that could certainly use your attention, rather than focusing on ads, and what they are, played on a podcast.

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#115 CheapyD   Head Cheap Ass Administrators   17260 Posts   Joined 13.4 Years Ago  

Posted 03 December 2007 - 05:04 AM

In five years, when CAG is some giant media conglomerate feeding greedily on ad deals, and Wombat gets fired for some less-than-positive opinion on an advertiser's product, I just want you all to know that I ****ing called it.

I pray you are correct. :pray: Especially the part where I fire Wombat. Can we make it 1 year instead of 5? I really don't want to wait that long for the ad deals or the firing.

#116 moojuice   False? CAGiversary!   4297 Posts   Joined 12.2 Years Ago  

Posted 06 December 2007 - 02:52 PM

Haven't read the whole thread, but as long as Cheapy introduces the Arbiter before it plays, I don't really mind. It makes me giggle in my mind.

#117 jakehoss   Now with 50% more "Cool". CAGiversary!   263 Posts   Joined 9.5 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 December 2007 - 05:52 PM

Haven't read the whole thread, but as long as Cheapy introduces the Arbiter before it plays, I don't really mind. It makes me giggle in my mind.


i cant stand that shit and how crappy it sounds when right in the middle of something i hear, "ok wombat, lets take a quick break....." shittily cut into the middle of our once great cast.
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#118 Quintessence   The Darkness Consumes CAGiversary!   1431 Posts   Joined 10.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 December 2007 - 06:41 AM

I am completely fine with the ads in the CAGcast. For a show which is between 1-2 hours having a minute and a half of ads is not going to kill anybody. If anybody hates them then that would be the time to go take a leak or get something to eat.

I agree with the reasons CheapyD said that he considered when taking on the advertiser.

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#119 majormauser   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   10 Posts   Joined 9.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 December 2007 - 12:12 AM

Hey Keith David is cool..... I've met him in person on a couple of occasions. Guy is a real stand up just nice guy. I will support anything he's involved with.

#120 JadedJedi   Wombat Fan CAGiversary!   167 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 28 December 2007 - 05:51 AM

Please CheapyD don't fire Wombat! You two play off of each other like a well oiled comedy machine. Speaking of which, does Wombat have his internet access yet?
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