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#4291 genderbreak   what am i doing CAGiversary!   365 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 15 July 2013 - 01:33 AM

Sorry if I'm derailing the thread by any means, but I'm relatively (and unrelatively) new to the comic books world, and have been wanting to get involved for a little bit, but I've never really known where to start.

 

I've heard good things about Batman Inc. but upon further inspection I found that it hinges plot-wise off of four other Batman series (Batman RIP, Final Crisis, Batman and Robin, and The Return of Bruce Wayne). But even if I did start off on the first volume/issue of Batman RIP, I still might be missing out due to that being issue #676 of Batman and it containing unexplained references to previous issues. 

 

So I'm a bit lost as to where to start out. Would it be at all sensible for me to just start off with the first volume/issue of Batman RIP and hope I understand most of what's going on? I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the Batman series, but I believe I do know more than the average person does. 

 

Something else that came to mind is the revamp New 52, but I'm not exactly sure what DC's plans on that are. Do the revamped comics featured in New 52 follow the same original plotline that their predecessors did (obviously not identical, but close)? Or are they just operating upon the same ideas? Would the New 52 contain unexplained references to past issues? 

 

And, also, for Batman Inc., it's stated that Morrison had finished volume 1 when they New 52 initiated, thus revamping with a new volume 1. If I do read Batman Inc., should I even bother with the original volume? It seems rather pointless if that storyline is dropped only to be replaced with a new volume 1 that will be a precursor for volume 2. 

 

I'd be very grateful for pointers/suggestions as to where to start. (They don't have to be Batman related, of course, any thing revolving comics will do.) TIA.



#4292 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14948 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:17 AM

Sorry if I'm derailing the thread by any means, but I'm relatively (and unrelatively) new to the comic books world, and have been wanting to get involved for a little bit, but I've never really known where to start.

 

I've heard good things about Batman Inc. but upon further inspection I found that it hinges plot-wise off of four other Batman series (Batman RIP, Final Crisis, Batman and Robin, and The Return of Bruce Wayne). But even if I did start off on the first volume/issue of Batman RIP, I still might be missing out due to that being issue #676 of Batman and it containing unexplained references to previous issues. 

 

So I'm a bit lost as to where to start out. Would it be at all sensible for me to just start off with the first volume/issue of Batman RIP and hope I understand most of what's going on? I'm not extremely knowledgeable about the Batman series, but I believe I do know more than the average person does. 

 

Something else that came to mind is the revamp New 52, but I'm not exactly sure what DC's plans on that are. Do the revamped comics featured in New 52 follow the same original plotline that their predecessors did (obviously not identical, but close)? Or are they just operating upon the same ideas? Would the New 52 contain unexplained references to past issues? 

 

And, also, for Batman Inc., it's stated that Morrison had finished volume 1 when they New 52 initiated, thus revamping with a new volume 1. If I do read Batman Inc., should I even bother with the original volume? It seems rather pointless if that storyline is dropped only to be replaced with a new volume 1 that will be a precursor for volume 2. 

 

I'd be very grateful for pointers/suggestions as to where to start. (They don't have to be Batman related, of course, any thing revolving comics will do.) TIA.

We discussed the Batman-Morrison stuff a bit earlier, but I'd say it's best to start from the beginning with Batman & Son when Morrison started and first introduced Damian and go from there. I'm not the biggest fan of it when it first started, but all the details and plot points Morrison slowly lay out all have pay offs as it goes on. So don't just start at RIP since you'll still be missing alot of points here and there.

 

As for the new 52, well if you have vague ideas of the DC Universe and never was into continuity then you'll be fine. Mostly because it's meant to be a relaunch of really the whole DC Universe for the most part with some new details and retelling's of nearly every character's origin and bits and pieces taken from stuff that happened before then. With that said, some comics ignore the whole 52 relaunch and just continue trucking as if nothing changed. Batman Inc. is one of them (the other is the Green Lantern series) so definetly read vol. 1 of it first then the New 52 version because those comics basically ignored the 52 relaunch since it's too much to reestablish otherwise. I Know it sounds like alot to get into when you're first getting into it, but basically just read everything in order and you'll be fine.



#4293 genderbreak   what am i doing CAGiversary!   365 Posts   Joined 7.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:34 AM

We discussed the Batman-Morrison stuff a bit earlier, but I'd say it's best to start from the beginning with Batman & Son when Morrison started and first introduced Damian and go from there. I'm not the biggest fan of it when it first started, but all the details and plot points Morrison slowly lay out all have pay offs as it goes on. So don't just start at RIP since you'll still be missing alot of points here and there.

 

As for the new 52, well if you have vague ideas of the DC Universe and never was into continuity then you'll be fine. Mostly because it's meant to be a relaunch of really the whole DC Universe for the most part with some new details and retelling's of nearly every character's origin and bits and pieces taken from stuff that happened before then. With that said, some comics ignore the whole 52 relaunch and just continue trucking as if nothing changed. Batman Inc. is one of them (the other is the Green Lantern series) so definetly read vol. 1 of it first then the New 52 version because those comics basically ignored the 52 relaunch since it's too much to reestablish otherwise. I Know it sounds like alot to get into when you're first getting into it, but basically just read everything in order and you'll be fine.

Ah, okay. I'll make sure to look up Batman and Son in a little bit.

 

I have basic knowledge about the DC Universe, so from what you say, I should be okay. That's about what my friend said. Thanks a lot for the post, it was very helpful.



#4294 poison_SHADOW   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   508 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 12:50 AM

Ah, okay. I'll make sure to look up Batman and Son in a little bit.

 

I have basic knowledge about the DC Universe, so from what you say, I should be okay. That's about what my friend said. Thanks a lot for the post, it was very helpful.

 

 

Take a gander at the last page or so of this thread, I literally just started reading the Morrison Batman stuff.

 

The Batman: The Black Glove Hardcover Deluxe Edition collects the first two chapters of Morrison's story, Batman & Son as well as The Black Glove, and should only run you about $20 or so. If you like the first taste (like I did. seriously, it all snowballed so quickly...) then you can continue from there with R.I.P. and everything else.



#4295 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2464 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 06:55 PM

So, just wondering about the thoughts on the newest reveal of DC Animation:

 

http://www.newsarama...on-in-2014.html

 

Justice League: War - The first arc of the New 52 Justice League story featuring Darkseid.

 

Hasn't Geoff Johns been directing the media side of DC for a few years now including animated projects? I'm kind of disappointed that the last three (Superman: Brainiac, Flashpoint, and now Justice League: War) were all his works initially and just irritates me a bit that with all the years and great stories they have to pick from, his works are getting chosen for these animated projects.



#4296 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14948 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 07:23 PM

So, just wondering about the thoughts on the newest reveal of DC Animation:

 

http://www.newsarama...on-in-2014.html

 

Justice League: War - The first arc of the New 52 Justice League story featuring Darkseid.

 

Hasn't Geoff Johns been directing the media side of DC for a few years now including animated projects? I'm kind of disappointed that the last three (Superman: Brainiac, Flashpoint, and now Justice League: War) were all his works initially and just irritates me a bit that with all the years and great stories they have to pick from, his works are getting chosen for these animated projects.

Maybe it'll finally explain why the Fuck Batman took off his cowl and revealed his identity to go after Superman. Not a fan of that story in particular.

 

And I'm more annoyed we still don't have Teen Titans: Judas Contract animated.



#4297 poison_SHADOW   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   508 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 16 July 2013 - 10:55 PM

I'm looking forward to it, if only because I didn't read past issue #1 of Justice League. Are they leaving Aquaman out, though? I didn't see his voice actor listed with the other Leaguers.

 

So I just finished R.I.P. and I gotta say, I thoroughly despise the God-like "Batman is prepared for ANYTHING" method for writing the character... but I think Morrison pulled it off nicely, and I'll be damned if the Batman of Zurr-Enn-Arrhh wasn't entertaining as hell - particularly because, in my mind, I switched his voice from Conroy's to Bale's exaggerated growl.

 

I was able to follow along pretty easily too, at least up until that final issue... what the hell? That seemed like a LOT of flashbacks to throw around all of a sudden... and I have no clue who that Batwoman was, I'll have to wikipedia her or something. Lump? Mokkari? Symian? I still don't know who those guys are. Don't recall ever seeing them in any other comics or cartoons I've read or watched.

 

I guess Time and The Batman is up next.  



#4298 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2464 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 12:17 AM

I was able to follow along pretty easily too, at least up until that final issue... what the hell? That seemed like a LOT of flashbacks to throw around all of a sudden... and I have no clue who that Batwoman was, I'll have to wikipedia her or something. Lump? Mokkari? Symian? I still don't know who those guys are. Don't recall ever seeing them in any other comics or cartoons I've read or watched.

I guess Time and The Batman is up next.


The last two issues were tied into the Final Crisis event that Morrison wrote. It was his love letter to Jack Kirbys New Gods stuff which is where those characters originated from.

And I cant remember those two issues very well, so no idea about the Batwoman. But Morrisons whole idea was that everything in Batmans mythology actually happened, so I think its the Silver Age Batwoman. Not sure if shes related to the current Batwoman.

#4299 CaptainJoel   In Brightest Day CAGiversary!   15445 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 17 July 2013 - 08:09 AM

I'm looking forward to it, if only because I didn't read past issue #1 of Justice League. Are they leaving Aquaman out, though? I didn't see his voice actor listed with the other Leaguers.

 

So I just finished R.I.P. and I gotta say, I thoroughly despise the God-like "Batman is prepared for ANYTHING" method for writing the character... but I think Morrison pulled it off nicely, and I'll be damned if the Batman of Zurr-Enn-Arrhh wasn't entertaining as hell - particularly because, in my mind, I switched his voice from Conroy's to Bale's exaggerated growl.

 

I was able to follow along pretty easily too, at least up until that final issue... what the hell? That seemed like a LOT of flashbacks to throw around all of a sudden... and I have no clue who that Batwoman was, I'll have to wikipedia her or something. Lump? Mokkari? Symian? I still don't know who those guys are. Don't recall ever seeing them in any other comics or cartoons I've read or watched.

 

I guess Time and The Batman is up next.  

To get the whole picture you have to go straight from RIP into the two "untold story" issues that came out a while later and fill in the gap between the fall of Hurt and Batman's being captured by Darkseid's forces. You also need to read the complete Final Crisis (Final Crisis, Superman Beyond 3D, LSH series) before heading into Time and The Batman so you have the whole picture, otherwise shit can get really confusing. 



#4300 poison_SHADOW   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   508 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 July 2013 - 07:45 AM

Eh. I've sank quite a bit of money into what I've already bought, I think I'll skip Final Crisis and just use wikipedia for whatever gaps I come across. Thanks for the info though!

 

Has anyone else seen Flashpoint Paradox yet? I never read Flashpoint itself so I don't know how accurate it was but, man, I think it's my favorite DC animated feature so far! I'm going to throw up some spoilers now, but they're more about the tone than the story itself:

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Some of the designs were wonky - Aquaman especially was way too bulky, and the Amazons all looked extremely thin and frail which was mildly irritating, but otherwise the art direction was pretty good... just maybe too anime-ish at times. The music is pretty forgettable too but that's a minor nit to be picked. 

 

As a Young Justice fan I was also giddy as hell about a certain cameo. It was a non-speaking role as far as I can remember, but the character got to kick some ass regardless. 



#4301 4thHorseman   The New God CAGiversary!   2464 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 04:23 PM

Quick question. Anyone go the route of binding their single issues? Looking to clear room, but thought of binding arcs that were never collected in tpb format.

Found a site Il be going through in the next few weeks to give it a try

#4302 bigdaddybruce44   Murders & Executions CAGiversary!   13295 Posts   Joined 12.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

Maybe it'll finally explain why the Fuck Batman took off his cowl and revealed his identity to go after Superman. Not a fan of that story in particular.

 

And I'm more annoyed we still don't have Teen Titans: Judas Contract animated.

 

I also wouldn't mind someone explaining to me how Hal Jordan doesn't know who Bruce fucking Wayne is...guess Hal doesn't own a TV...or computer...and can't read...and has been living under a rock...on Mars...

 

I am a bit disappointed with many of these latest DC animated movies being more recent tales, with the exception of Dark Knight Returns, which was awesome, by the way. You have a nearly infinite library of classic stories to adapt.



#4303 poison_SHADOW   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   508 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 21 July 2013 - 10:30 PM

Quick question. Anyone go the route of binding their single issues? Looking to clear room, but thought of binding arcs that were never collected in tpb format.

Found a site Il be going through in the next few weeks to give it a try

 

This is something I've been thinking about doing for a while now, but I've never pulled the trigger on it. I found a useful FAQ a while back that I stuck in favorites, maybe you should take a quick look. There's a list somewhere in there of the most well-known places that do comic binding.

 

If you do it, let me know how it goes.



#4304 doppelgangerknight   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   276 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 July 2013 - 03:57 AM

I just recently begun to pick up older issues to fill in gaps in my collection and was wondering if someone could give me some advice on a particular issue? I came across a NM- Uncanny X-Men 141, the first part of the Days Of Future Past storyline and was wondering if $60 was a good price for it?



#4305 jza1218   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   4896 Posts   Joined 16.7 Years Ago  

Posted 22 July 2013 - 01:15 PM

I remember buying it for about 20 five years back, can't imagine it's gone up that much in price to be honest.



#4306 JJSP   Not Broke, Just Bent CAGiversary!   10181 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Posted 23 July 2013 - 02:03 AM

Question for those of you who know more about stuff than I do: I bought the SDCC exclusive Simpsons book (Frink #1/Burns #1) and managed to get Matt Groening to sign and draw a personalized Homer on the inside cover. I sort of want to frame it as artwork, but have no idea the best way to do it. It's somewhat of a thicker issue with more of a binding than typical comics have, so outside of a bag and board, I'm at a loss.

Any suggestions?

#4307 xycury   there is only one CAGiversary!   4503 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

Posted 23 July 2013 - 03:19 AM

Question for those of you who know more about stuff than I do: I bought the SDCC exclusive Simpsons book (Frink #1/Burns #1) and managed to get Matt Groening to sign and draw a personalized Homer on the inside cover. I sort of want to frame it as artwork, but have no idea the best way to do it. It's somewhat of a thicker issue with more of a binding than typical comics have, so outside of a bag and board, I'm at a loss.

Any suggestions?

 

could you do maybe a 3D box that would force the page open, that way you can see it from all angles.. be a bit much to display though... 

 

Maybe just take a picture of it and display it?  



#4308 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2231 Posts   Joined 13.3 Years Ago  

Posted 23 July 2013 - 06:41 AM

Question for those of you who know more about stuff than I do: I bought the SDCC exclusive Simpsons book (Frink #1/Burns #1) and managed to get Matt Groening to sign and draw a personalized Homer on the inside cover. I sort of want to frame it as artwork, but have no idea the best way to do it. It's somewhat of a thicker issue with more of a binding than typical comics have, so outside of a bag and board, I'm at a loss.

Any suggestions?

 

I think the earlier mention is it. One of those display boxes is probably the only way to go if you want to display it.

 

I have some Groening, Kirkman and Kevin Eastman signed stuff that I'd like to display at some point, but wouldn't want to have a whole book on a box on a shelf somewhere. For Kirkman it is just a single signed variant of issue 100 of Walking Dead so I could just do that easy enough. For the other stuff I'd have to go the shadow box method, but that would take up too much room and then I wouldn't be able to admire it inside the book.



#4309 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14948 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2013 - 06:41 AM

And Batman and Son being slated to be part of the DC animated movie universe has me excited that we'll see the rest of Morrison's insane Batman arc translated to animation.



#4310 bardockkun   Porn, Kitsch And Firearms CAGiversary!   14948 Posts   Joined 14.7 Years Ago  

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Posted 25 July 2013 - 08:54 PM

Slightly comic related, but 2000AD is doing a petition I guess to see the interest in a Dredd sequel...

 

http://2000adonline....2&id=62906ebdcc

 

Yes, yes I would love a Judge Death storyline with possibly more 3D violence. I Would love that very much.



#4311 poison_SHADOW   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   508 Posts   Joined 11.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 03:45 AM

Slightly comic related, but 2000AD is doing a petition I guess to see the interest in a Dredd sequel...

 

http://2000adonline....2&id=62906ebdcc

 

Yes, yes I would love a Judge Death storyline with possibly more 3D violence. I Would love that very much.

 

Hell yeah, I signed. My enjoyment for the last one was killed somewhat because I (by pure chance) ended up watching The Raid: Redemption two days before seeing Dredd in theaters, but I loved it regardless - I mean, you've got to respect any production that allows the star's face to be concealed by a helmet for the entire movie.

 

Anyhoo, I got this month's comics in the mail today - for those of you reading Trinity War, can it be enjoyed issue to issue or should I just wait until the whole crossover is in my hands?



#4312 RedvsBlue  

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 04:34 PM

I remember buying it for about 20 five years back, can't imagine it's gone up that much in price to be honest.


The potential of it being the inspiration for the new movie is likely enough to drive speculation on it up. For instance, as soon as Thanos appeared at the end of Avengers his first appearance jumped in value.

#4313 slowdive21   CAG Elder CAGiversary!   12577 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 July 2013 - 05:01 PM

yeah probably the best book to look for at a local shop is hulk 271 which is the 1st rocket raccoon. I can usually pick them up for $1 each. People are going to be on top of pricing for byrne xmen issues. I wish I could have bought the whole run years ago, but now is the worst time to look for them. Still kicking myself for passing up the 1st wolverine in a huge hulk lot on ebay about 10 years ago. The lot went for $300, was about 250 books and had 181 in Fine + condition.



#4314 CaptainJoel   In Brightest Day CAGiversary!   15445 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 06:27 AM

Incredible Hulk #180 and #181 are the gems in my collection. Both are in NM condition too! I got them both in a lot of comics when I was a kid. Didn't even realize they were worth anything or were Wolvie's first appearance until the first X-Men movie came out.



#4315 slowdive21   CAG Elder CAGiversary!   12577 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 28 July 2013 - 04:09 PM

oh you guys could appreciate this...I went to half price books and noticed they restocked comics. There were 3 other people looking at them. I noticed the one guy had xforce 2 in his hand. The only reason I noticed is because I pick them up cheap if i see them since technically it is the 2nd appearance of deadpool. I noticed he had some other x books in his stack. He ended up walking away and I hit the side that he was looking at. I noticed a run of new mutants books. I saw a 1st print of 87 and was pretty excited, then I saw 98 and I almost jizzed my pants! Thats the 1st deadpool in case anyone doesnt know that. I can't believe that guy missed it! They are both perfect/unread copies. I also pulled the second appearance of hobgoblin (asm 239) that day too!



#4316 DestroVega   Life is short... stunt it CAGiversary!   7191 Posts   Joined 13.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 02:53 PM

I have X-Force #1 like I think everyone does, I wonder if I have #2.

#4317 GhostShark   The Drunken Whaler CAGiversary!   3143 Posts   Joined 10.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 03:55 PM

I have too many Gems to post here, but I have a ton of #1s autographed by both the writer and artist (The Walking Dead, Saga, Hawkeye and Mockingbird, Mystery Society, and a ton more). I'm also an avid collector of Skottie Young variant covers in hopes that I can get him to sign all of them one day. Haha.



#4318 slowdive21   CAG Elder CAGiversary!   12577 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 04:46 PM

I have X-Force #1 like I think everyone does, I wonder if I have #2.

They arent worth anything, but it is one of the books i would like the overstreet to call out. I'm pretty certain that is his second appearance.



#4319 Rodimus   I'm Different CAGiversary!   12845 Posts   Joined 16.8 Years Ago  

Posted 29 July 2013 - 08:46 PM

A few minor gems but nothing major: Uncanny X-Men #14 (1st Sentinal fair condition), Marvel Spotlight #5 (1st Ghost Rider great condition), Iron Man #55 (1st Thanos in amazing condition). I also have every Amazing Spider-man with Venom & Carnage. I was a huge Venom fan as a kid.

 

More recent stuff is a sketch variant of Kick Ass#1 and the 1st print of the Spidey/Obama comic & the death of Cap.

 

Funny enough a buddy at work said he had some comics from his childhood. He claimed they were worth a lot. I asked him to bring them in. He had the typical 90's lot. Spawn #1, X-Force #1, Death of Superman, X-Men #1, some silver and gold foil covers of milestone issues. I told him his stuff isn't worth much. He didn't believe me so we proceeded to eBay and showed what they were going for. He was crushed.



#4320 slowdive21   CAG Elder CAGiversary!   12577 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 09:41 PM

hmm, yeah idk what my best books are...I have some vf amazing spiderman books like #101. I have a beat to shit copy of amazing 14 (1st green goblin I bought at auction for $5 a few years ago). The mcfarlane run in VF/NM. I'm still trying to buy amazing spiderman 1-200 from a friend of the family, but I would be paying thousands for them. Most of if not all of my collection I paid under $3 a book for. I have the 1st elecktra in vf, a few copies of the hulk issue with wolverine, basically every modern key. A lot of bronze keys, some silver keys, and so on.  I got this crazy lot at a garage sale...IDK if i ever posted them here.

 

Here are some pics: I think I paid $30-$35 for them. The ASM 14 was $5 as stated above at auction

 

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capt 100, issues 11 and 14 of the avengers

 

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