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#1 The 7th Number   Sipping hot tea like a sir with my pinky out! CAGiversary!   7049 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 04:36 PM

I was thinking of getting a PS2, but now that i have a HDTV, im worried it wont look that good. Does anyone here play a ps2 on a HDTV? If so can you take pics and show me in game play? Unless there is somewhere online that shows what it would look like. I tried to look but i couldnt really find anything. Thanks.

#2 Casiotech   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   298 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 04:55 PM

from far it will look okay but if it's a big tv and you sit close it will look like crap.

#3 Ryuukishi   My ambitionz az a Ryder CAGiversary!   11784 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 October 2008 - 04:55 PM

I play my PS2 games on an HDTV, and frankly, the results are not great. Component cables are a must, of course, and any game that supports progressive scan will look much cleaner.

Some games look a lot better than others, and sometimes you even have different results within the same game, as with Final Fantasy XII where normal gameplay looks all right, but the FMVs were a complete pixelated mess. Other random observations: With Final Fantasy X and X-2, exploration gameplay looks okay but the battles are blurry and ghosty (do battles run at a different resolution?). Cel-shaded games like Dragon Quest VIII and Rogue Galaxy tend to look blocky. Persona 3 and God of War look pretty damn good all-around. Wild ARMs 5 also looks very nice, except for the overworld exploration which has the same problems as FFX's battles. Etc., etc.

In short, mileage definitely varies depending on the graphical style of the game, but with practically every game you're going to notice at least some blocky/blurry/jaggy stuff going on. The fact is that your television has to blow up that image to a size and level of detail that the PS2 is just not equipped to handle.

One more bit of advice, unless the game actually supports 16:9 aspect ratio, don't be tempted to play it on 16:9. Just change the television's display mode to 4:3 and deal with the black columns, unless you want every game to look like an absolute blurry abortion.

(Oddly enough, I've had much better overall results with GameCube games. Twilight Princess, F-Zero GX, and Wave Race: Blue Storm in particular look fantastic on my television.)

My television is a Samsung 32" LCD.

Edited by Ryuukishi, 08 October 2008 - 05:15 PM.


#4 The 7th Number   Sipping hot tea like a sir with my pinky out! CAGiversary!   7049 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:18 PM

Hmmm i have a samsung 40 inch tv. I sit about 5 feet away from the screen. I guess i could always hook it up to my old tv thats in the basement. But thats not exactly a place where i want to play games. LOL.

#5 Ryuukishi   My ambitionz az a Ryder CAGiversary!   11784 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:20 PM

Hmmm i have a samsung 40 inch tv. I sit about 5 feet away from the screen.

Get used to sitting further away. :) Seriously, it's a less-than-ideal setup, but don't let it prevent you from enjoying all the great games on PS2.

If it's really going to bother you, try to stick with games that support progressive scan because the results on an HDTV really are worlds better.

http://en.wikipedia....with_HD_support

#6 The 7th Number   Sipping hot tea like a sir with my pinky out! CAGiversary!   7049 Posts   Joined 15.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 05:52 PM

Hmmm well its impossible for my to sit any further back to be honest.

The GTA series doesnt support progressive scan so that sucks. Neither does God Hand or The Warriors. But the God of War games do, and Shadow of the Colossus. Hmmm.

#7 deadpool 3.0   Casual Gamer CAGiversary!   7137 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 06:00 PM

Hmmm i have a samsung 40 inch tv. I sit about 5 feet away from the screen. I guess i could always hook it up to my old tv thats in the basement. But thats not exactly a place where i want to play games. LOL.


Samsung 40 inch. I bet you have the exact same tv as me. I just got it recently, and I play ps2 games on ps3. They do look bad to be honest. I would sit far away or hook it up to a old tv.

#8 Ryuukishi   My ambitionz az a Ryder CAGiversary!   11784 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 October 2008 - 06:20 PM

You might want to somehow test God of War II on your HDTV-- like, could you borrow a friend's PS2 and rent the game? Because that is the top of the heap as far as PS2 games looking decent in HD (and it really does look surprisingly good-- in 16:9 480p mode, it could aaaaalmost be a current-gen game, they really squeezed the hardware dry on that one).

Then try something like Katamari Damacy or Final Fantasy X to get a sense of the issues that you'll experience with a "typical" PS2 game. That might give you an idea of where your tolerance is.

#9 Dr Mario Kart   SD/2D Defense Force CAGiversary!   10957 Posts   Joined 18.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 08 October 2008 - 06:27 PM

Not only will it look bad, the input is guaranteed to lag at least a few frames, which will affect timing based games like rhythm/fighting/shmup. This makes some of those games unplayable.

Even worse, if you decide to use a backwards compat. PS3 instead, the PS3 adds a minimum of 3 frames when in BC mode, regardless of TV or input, due to frame buffering.

I have a handy guide in my sig regarding this!

#10 Ryuukishi   My ambitionz az a Ryder CAGiversary!   11784 Posts   Joined 14.5 Years Ago  

Posted 08 October 2008 - 06:40 PM

Honestly, lag hasn't been a problem for me. I mostly play RPGs but I've also played a lot of rhythm and fighting games without noticing anything. Maybe it's less of a problem with Samsung LCDs. Just my experience.

#11 depascal22   Daddy Fat Sacks CAGiversary!   10195 Posts   Joined 17.5 Years Ago  

Posted 09 October 2008 - 12:44 AM

Honestly, lag hasn't been a problem for me. I mostly play RPGs but I've also played a lot of rhythm and fighting games without noticing anything. Maybe it's less of a problem with Samsung LCDs. Just my experience.


God of War and Shadow of the Colossus will look awesome. Everything else looks like butt.

#12 Allnatural   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1213 Posts   Joined 17.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 05:17 AM

I have to disagree. While a CRT is still best, with the right settings PS2 games will look just fine on an HD set. I have a 40" Samsung LCD (720p), sit about 8' away, and the PS2 is connected with a composite cable. The image is a bit softer, but overall I'm quite happy with the way it looks.

#13 daschrier   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   855 Posts   Joined 18.4 Years Ago  

Posted 09 October 2008 - 05:05 PM

My PS2 looks just fine.
I have a 50" Samsung DLP. I play in 4:3 mode so the picture doesn't looked all stretched and have no fears of burn in like with plasma, and have no lag as I would with LCD.

#14 nasum   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3480 Posts   Joined 18.4 Years Ago  

Posted 09 October 2008 - 06:28 PM

Looks bad to the point where I haven't even hooked it back up since I moved.

#15 Casiotech   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   298 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 09 October 2008 - 09:31 PM

I play my PS2 games on an HDTV, and frankly, the results are not great. Component cables are a must, of course, and any game that supports progressive scan will look much cleaner.

Some games look a lot better than others, and sometimes you even have different results within the same game, as with Final Fantasy XII where normal gameplay looks all right, but the FMVs were a complete pixelated mess. Other random observations: With Final Fantasy X and X-2, exploration gameplay looks okay but the battles are blurry and ghosty (do battles run at a different resolution?). Cel-shaded games like Dragon Quest VIII and Rogue Galaxy tend to look blocky. Persona 3 and God of War look pretty damn good all-around. Wild ARMs 5 also looks very nice, except for the overworld exploration which has the same problems as FFX's battles. Etc., etc.

In short, mileage definitely varies depending on the graphical style of the game, but with practically every game you're going to notice at least some blocky/blurry/jaggy stuff going on. The fact is that your television has to blow up that image to a size and level of detail that the PS2 is just not equipped to handle.

One more bit of advice, unless the game actually supports 16:9 aspect ratio, don't be tempted to play it on 16:9. Just change the television's display mode to 4:3 and deal with the black columns, unless you want every game to look like an absolute blurry abortion.

(Oddly enough, I've had much better overall results with GameCube games. Twilight Princess, F-Zero GX, and Wave Race: Blue Storm in particular look fantastic on my television.)

My television is a Samsung 32" LCD.


no surprise, AAA gamecube games have much better graphics than ps2 games. GoW is an exception and would probably look good on an HDTV considering it has progressive scan.

#16 bmulligan   I am not a number CAGiversary!   6078 Posts   Joined 19.0 Years Ago  

Posted 10 October 2008 - 02:54 PM

It can't look much worse than some of the Wii games I've played on my HDTV.

#17 motherboop   CAG Veteran CAG Veteran   8 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 October 2008 - 11:39 AM

One thing that is necessary to remember, you will need component cables if you want to get the best results from a PS2 on an HDTV. I currently have a PS2 hooked up to a standard crt 32' component, and a BC PS3 on my Sony 40' 1080P HDMI. In 4:3, every game is playable on the HDTV. While some games do look slightly better on the 32' tube, almost everything is ok on the HDTV.

#18 Solori   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   102 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

Posted 15 October 2008 - 01:32 AM

I think picture quality depends a lot on which hdtv you have. Some seem to handle standard pictures better than others. For instance, I have a ps2 connected to an old 720p 40 in Sony HDTV and I have a PS2 connected to a newer 1080p 45 in Sony HDTV (both with component cables). The PS2 games look better on the 720p HDTV.

As another example, I have my PS3 connected to my 45 in Sony and my friend has his PS3 connected to a 32 in Olivia HDTV. PS3 games look a lot better on my HDTV than his. It is really noticable and I sort of feel sorry for him playing on his crappy little hdtv. Clearly, HDTV brand makes a big difference.

That being said, my PS2 games look fine on both my tvs. A few are a little blocky, but it is nothing game-breaking to me. For some reason I am more bothered by the picture quality of my Wii which I also have connected to my 45 in HDTV. Wii games in general look worse on my HDTV than PS2 games. I know that the Wii is not a high def system, but I don't understand why it does either equal to or worse than the PS2 when played on an HDTV. Its a new system, IMO it should perform better than a much older system.