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#61 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

Nematode

Posted 16 March 2005 - 10:13 PM

I wish some of the other providers operated in my area. Is Sunrocket one that you can pay yearly for service? I want an alternative to monthly payments especially if it make the long run cheaper. There is one that lets you pay $1000 for lifetime phone service...kinda sketchy, but it pays itself off in like 3 years.


Your wish has been granted. I got a SunRocket flier in the mail with a Promo Code for a real cheap yearly deal $199 or $16.58/month. I am going to post a new thread about it in case others are interested in the Deals/Request forum.

Linky:

SunRocket Yearly Plan Promo Code

#62 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4792 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 16 March 2005 - 10:22 PM

I have that flyer sitting on my desk at home right now. I am really thinking about switching but I've been too lazy and hesitant to actually do it yet. I need to just go for it.

#63 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 04:57 PM

Heheh...I know how you feel man. I have been digging deep into the VoIP world lately trying to find reasons not to do it. But, there really doesn't seem to be any. And worse comes to worse at least SR lets you cancel without any termination fees or anything.

Laziness is upon us all. BUt we cna do it! :-)

#64 LeviathynX   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   419 Posts   Joined 14.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 07:38 PM

[quote name='"XboxMaster"'][quote name='bignick'][quote name='dafoomie']My primary (and only) phone is a VOIP phone, since I'm blacklisted from Verizon.

:rofl:

please elaborate[/quote]


Yes, I'm sure an interested story ensues.[/quote]

I had a friend of mine who tried to get a cellphone from verizon and his credit was so bad that they asked for a $1000 deposit.

#65 st964p62   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   77 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

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Posted 18 March 2005 - 07:52 PM

Another great feature of VOIP is that you can bring the device with you wherver you go, like on vacation. You could go to another country and as long as you have broadband access (which most hotels do these days) you can use your VOIP account (call your friends at home as if it were local). If you have friends or family in another country you could get a second VOIP account/device with a local number where you're at and send them the device. Then it would be a local call for both parties. I switched from Verizon to Vonage a few months back and I don't regret it for a second. I'm getting much more service for less than half the price I was paying for just local service.

-Rob

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Posted 19 March 2005 - 05:15 PM

Here is an interesting article on VOIP and scammers. I thought this was worth posting:

http://money.cnn.com...dex.htm?cnn=yes

Internet phones a hacking risk?

Low-cost services may attract identity thieves looking to turn stolen credit cards into cash.
March 18, 2005: 3:45 PM EST

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Internet phone services have drawn millions of users looking for rock-bottom rates. Now they're also attracting identity thieves looking to turn stolen credit cards into cash.

Some Internet phone services allow scam artists to make it appear that they are calling from another phone number -- a useful trick that enables them to drain credit accounts and pose as banks or other trusted authorities, online fraud experts say.

"It's like you've handed people an entire phone network," said Lance James, who as chief technology officer of Secure Science Corp. sees such scams on a daily basis.

The emerging scams underline the lower level of security protecting Voice Over Internet Protocol, or VOIP, the Internet-calling standard that has upended the telecommunications industry over the past several years.

Traditional phone networks operate over dedicated equipment that is difficult for outsiders to penetrate. Because VOIP calls travel over the Internet, they cost much less but are vulnerable to the same security problems that plague e-mail and the Web.

Internet worms that snarl online networks can render VOIP lines unusable, and experts at AT&T (Research) say VOIP conversations can be monitored or altered by outsiders.

Federal Trade Commission Chairman Deborah Platt Majoras recently warned that unscrupulous telemarketers could use VOIP to blast huge numbers of voice messages to consumers, a technique known as SPIT, for "spam over Internet telephony."

All of these threats remain largely in the realm of theory. Caller ID spoofing, on the other hand, has emerged over the past six months as a useful tool for identity thieves and other scam artists, according to fraud experts.
President Bush on the line

Any reporter would scramble for a ringing phone that reads "White House media line" on its caller ID display.

But it's not the Bush administration on the line -- it's security instructor Ralph Echemendia, calling from a mobile phone on a remote Georgia highway.

"You can see how this sort of thing could be used in a very malicious way," said Echemendia, a security instructor at the Intense School, a technology training company.

Caller ID spoofing is not prohibited by law, but the Federal Communications Commission requires telemarketers to identify themselves accurately, a spokeswoman said.

Echemendia built his own system to spoof calls, but several free or low-cost services allow even technical novices to falsify caller ID information as well.

Debt collectors and private investigators use Camophone.com's 5-cents-per-call service to trick people into answering the phone, according to messages posted on a discussion board.

Traveling salesmen say the service comes in handy when they want clients to return calls to the main office, rather than their motel room.

James said criminal uses of caller-ID spoofing have become common over the last six months.

Wire-transfer services like Western Union (Research) require customers to call from their home phone when they want to transfer money in an effort to deter fraud -- a barrier easily sidestepped by any identity thief using a caller-ID spoofing service.

Fraud rings can now transfer money directly out of stolen credit-card accounts, rather than buying merchandise and reselling it, he said.

Western Union spokeswoman Danielle Periera said the company has no other way to verify that transfer requests are valid.

"We try hard to stay one step ahead of them and recognize that scam artists are sophisticated and often change their schemes," she said.

Criminals can use caller-ID spoofing to listen to other people's voice mail, James said, especially when those accounts are not protected by passwords.

They also have begun to use the technology to make it appear that they are calling from a bank or other financial institution, said Dave Jevans, who chairs the Anti-Phishing Working Group, a banking-industry task force.

That helps them convince consumers to divulge account numbers, passwords and other sensitive information in a scam that echoes the "phishing" e-mails that have become common, he said.

VOIP industry pioneer Jeff Pulver, whose Free World Dialup service can be used to spoof calls, said he couldn't prevent abuse of his system.

The problem will likely recede as companies like VeriSign Inc. (Research) and NeuStar Inc. develop ways to verify online identities, he said: "We're not there yet, but we're going to get there."

#67 dafoomie   dafoomie CAGiversary!   8822 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

Posted 20 March 2005 - 02:20 AM

Thats a fairly poorly written article... There is no additional risk to VOIP users.

First of all, you don't need VOIP to fake your caller ID name and number. You can do that on a regular phone line, fairly easily. You should not trust what caller ID says.

Second, the telemarketers are using VOIP services to call regular telephones from overseas, because its cheaper on both ends, and because they're not under US law wherever they're calling from. They only use VOIP because its cheaper.

#68 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:47 PM

Another great feature of VOIP is that you can bring the device with you wherver you go, like on vacation. You could go to another country and as long as you have broadband access (which most hotels do these days) you can use your VOIP account (call your friends at home as if it were local). If you have friends or family in another country you could get a second VOIP account/device with a local number where you're at and send them the device. Then it would be a local call for both parties. I switched from Verizon to Vonage a few months back and I don't regret it for a second. I'm getting much more service for less than half the price I was paying for just local service.


Yeah, this sounds really cool. Have you actually tried this though?

I am excited to see how large the SunRocket gizmo is to see about travelling with it. Add it to the bag: computer, iPOD, Cell Phone, Gizmo, etc...

#69 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4792 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 22 March 2005 - 06:50 PM

Well I finally signed up with SunRocket. Unfortunately, they sent an email saying that they ave run out of hardware (the converter thing) so there is a week or two delay :(. I guess that's what I get for being lazy. I'll keep you posted.

#70 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 March 2005 - 06:48 PM

So, SunRocket is becoming trendy, aye? :cool:

Well, I am going to be ordering soon, I hope there is no delay. I will be back... :D

#71 dafoomie   dafoomie CAGiversary!   8822 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

Posted 24 March 2005 - 06:33 AM

Another great feature of VOIP is that you can bring the device with you wherver you go, like on vacation. You could go to another country and as long as you have broadband access (which most hotels do these days) you can use your VOIP account (call your friends at home as if it were local). If you have friends or family in another country you could get a second VOIP account/device with a local number where you're at and send them the device. Then it would be a local call for both parties. I switched from Verizon to Vonage a few months back and I don't regret it for a second. I'm getting much more service for less than half the price I was paying for just local service.


Yeah, this sounds really cool. Have you actually tried this though?

I am excited to see how large the SunRocket gizmo is to see about travelling with it. Add it to the bag: computer, iPOD, Cell Phone, Gizmo, etc...

It works great as long as you have a good enough connection, which isn't much.

The Packet 8 box is smaller than my router, a little bigger than a Genesis cartridge but smaller than an NES cartridge, but a little thicker.

#72 BULL_Ship   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   641 Posts   Joined 14.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 March 2005 - 06:47 AM

I never have any issues, I'll often have 3 xboxes on XBL, someone on the phone, and sometimes bittorrent might be going too, on the same cable connection.


I have exactly the same setup excluding your phone service i use vonage and everything works fine.

#73 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 29 March 2005 - 08:49 PM

It works great as long as you have a good enough connection, which isn't much.

The Packet 8 box is smaller than my router, a little bigger than a Genesis cartridge but smaller than an NES cartridge, but a little thicker.


I can only hope that it is that small. Thats too the point of real tiny. Sounds awesome. Its been 4 days and the SunRocket stuff hasn't arrived yet, but I expect it to be here soon. Anybody have SunRocket and know how good the Uniden phones are?

BULL_Ship - Good to hear that XBL works well with you still. Gotta be able to Co-op SPlinter Cell when it gets here..:-)

#74 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 31 March 2005 - 11:09 PM

It works great as long as you have a good enough connection, which isn't much.

The Packet 8 box is smaller than my router, a little bigger than a Genesis cartridge but smaller than an NES cartridge, but a little thicker.


Got my package yesterday, set it up and it works well already. Thing is that they give two numbers one as like the "main line" and one as another line. Thing is only the "other" line works, not the main number. Looked in the docs and it says 10 days to activate. Anyone know why they need those 10 days?

EDIT: Sorry for double post, just had that question and didn't want a new thread.

#75 gaelan   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3138 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2005 - 05:31 PM

i am about to cancel my ATT CallVantage service and just go strictly cell phone. Anyone know if the telephone Adapter (D-Link DVG-1120M VoIP Gateway) is locked into serving ATT, or can I use it with any VOIP company at a later date? I'm either going to hang on to it for use later with another company, or I'm going to ebay it.

#76 Backlash   www.thecoverproject.net CAGiversary!   4792 Posts   Joined 14.3 Years Ago  

Posted 06 April 2005 - 06:56 PM

UPDATE: Been using Sunrocket for almost a week now with no problems at all. My number was active the day after we set it up, even though they say it may take 10 days to get incoming calls. Still waiting for my old number to be transferred over though.

#77 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:30 PM

i am about to cancel my ATT CallVantage service and just go strictly cell phone. Anyone know if the telephone Adapter (D-Link DVG-1120M VoIP Gateway) is locked into serving ATT, or can I use it with any VOIP company at a later date? I'm either going to hang on to it for use later with another company, or I'm going to ebay it.


From their web-site:

If I disconnect my service and I received my adapter in the mail directly from AT&T, do I need to return my adapter?

If you received your adapter in the mail directly from AT&T (i.e. you did not purchase it at a retail store or via an online etailer other than AT&T), it is a Standalone Telephone Adapter, and you have been on the service for less than one year, you must return your adapter to AT&T when you disconnect your service. After you contact Customer Care to disconnect your account, we will send you a Return Merchandise Authorization (RMA) in the mail which you can use to return the adapter without incurring postage or shipping fees.

If we do not receive your adapter within 16 business days of the day you disconnect your service, you will be assessed a one-time service disconnect fee of $29.99. A revised final bill will be generated for this fee, and this revised final bill will arrive 30-60 days after your final bill. If we receive your adapter within 16 business days you will not be charged a service disconnect fee.

You are not required to return your adapter and will not be charged a service disconnect fee if any of the following apply:


Its small print 16 day requirement like that that made me go SunRocket. Why 16 days? Like if you get it a week later than that it is different? Ridiculous.

Anyways, looks like you may have to return it. Are they charging you a termination fee too?

#78 gaelan   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   3138 Posts   Joined 13.9 Years Ago  

Posted 11 April 2005 - 08:40 PM

Its small print 16 day requirement like that that made me go SunRocket. Why 16 days? Like if you get it a week later than that it is different? Ridiculous.

Anyways, looks like you may have to return it. Are they charging you a termination fee too?


i bought mine from BB for $60 - free after the $60 MIR :)

i found out i don't have to return it, and there are no termination fees.

#79 Nematode   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   209 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 12 April 2005 - 09:05 PM

Ohhh....you didn't say that. Well, nice move. Going to stick to the cell phone aye? What happens when you drop into the toilet and it stops working? Smoke signals... courier pigeons? :-)