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#931 Chase   tjeezy.com CAGiversary!   7667 Posts   Joined 13.6 Years Ago  

Posted 23 July 2011 - 09:34 PM

Yeah, always hit cardio harder after lifting.



This is true.

Personally, I have been using George St-Pierre's RUSHFIT for about a week. (Mostly to see how it is in comparison to P90X.) It's as tough but with unique techniques. Plus, it's always amusing to see GSP himself bemoan and complain about doing an exercise. :lol:

I combine RUSHFIT with my usual strength training, and it seems to be working quite well. I'm surprised to say that RUSHFIT is actually good and effective. (I had my doubts.)

#932 dmaul1114   Banned Banned   24688 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:29 PM

I don't know why I never considered doing cardio after weight training. It certainly makes sense, depleting your glycogen stores before trying to burn the fat.


Yep.

Another tip, if you do cardio on your off days you can maximize that by doing it in the morning before eating. Your glcogen stores are pretty much nill in the morning.

I don't suggest it before lifting as you need the energy to hit the weights hard. Which is another good reason to save cardio for after lifting. Not only may you burn more fat, but if you do cardio first your sapping energy before you lift and probably won't get as many reps in etc.

#933 blindinglights   ... CAGiversary!   4579 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:43 PM

Another tip, if you do cardio on your off days you can maximize that by doing it in the morning before eating. Your glcogen stores are pretty much nill in the morning.



This seems to be a debate that goes both ways. Some say that since you haven't eaten all night, you're more likely to burn more fat during the cardio session. However, others say that you want to eat so your metabolism starts burning as soon as possible for the day.

I used to follow what you're saying and do cardio first thing, but I've since switched to eating before hand as I feel like I have more energy to give the workout a better effort. I think it's something you should try both ways and see which is more comfortable for you.

#934 dmaul1114   Banned Banned   24688 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:51 PM

I've tried both ways--effort wise it's no different for me. I use a treadmill a lot, and an elliptical sometimes, so I just set the program and time and do it. It may be different if I was going for runs or something where you totally have to make sure your keeping up the pace etc.

But for sure everyone is different and should just gather all this type of advice and try different things and figure out what works best for them.

#935 thamaster24   Go Bucs! CAGiversary!   1341 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:55 PM

Probably been discussed before in here, but if anyone has any questions about P90X, ask away. I just finished up the first 90 days.

I had a pretty good routine for legs, arms, and chest before but this takes it to the next level. My back has never looked so ripped and the yoga is awesome as well.

I didn't really know what to think of it before but if you're bored with your workout and looking for something that will get every part of your body into good shape, go with it. The guy who created it, Tony Horton, is annoying to some but I think he's pretty funny.

And I think P90X 2 is coming out sometime soon, probably be picking that up as well.

#936 sublime90   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1183 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 03:36 AM

P90X will kick you in the balls and take your lunch money. specifically the cardio shit i wanted to die during that. i have to admit if p90X2 drops i'll die trying. tony is 52 now and keeps klickin ball sacks with his tony one on one and tons of other shit im to fat and lazy to try. i need to workout but its hard and i lack motivation unlike kelly rowland

#937 Cry Havoc   Breaker Breaker CAGiversary!   743 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2011 - 04:53 PM

Sorry for the wall of text here. I've never noticed this thread before, so I thought I'd share a bit of my story.

I've lost 25 lbs over the last few months after my wife and I decided to finally get back into shape. I like running. I use a few time benchmarks to track how I'm improving. My mile time went from 8:14 in March to 6:40 yesterday. I'd like to see that go down to 5:30 or so, and at that point maybe I'll start focusing on 400m and 800m times as well, since those were two races I loved in high school. I'm 28, 5'10" and currently 180 lbs. I want to get down to about 170 lbs and see if I want to lose more at that point.

Getting back into running was really hard for me, which surprised me since I used to LOVE it. I've had several "I'm getting back into shape" false starts over the past 5 or so years, which was a bit demoralizing to me. When I used to easily run 2 miles in under 12 minutes, it was very hard for me to get used to taking it very slow just so I could finish 15 minutes of jogging without stopping, never mind how far I actually ran in that time. But short term goals coupled with rewards helped me get over the initial, "I suck, what's the point of this," feeling at first.

What I've discovered about myself now that I'm sticking with it is that I don't really care about the running itself. What I really love, and what motivates me to run, is The Race. I don't care about getting in shape for the sake of health, I love getting in shape so I can look at others after a race and think, "I'm faster than you. Eat me." Which is weird because I don't think I'm better than other people. I love cheering others on and watching others work hard just like I am. But during the race and for about 60 seconds afterwards you and I are enemies, and for some reason I love that.

I also love the motivation of losing. I hate seeing some guy just barely beat me when I've given my all during a race. I look forward to burying those people next time I see them, which helps me stay motivated during training.

I've run several 5ks and a 10k, and I'm thinking about starting triathlons next year. I'm thinking about doing a half marathon next year as well. As a longer term goal, I might consider a full marathon just to do it once in my life. I prefer shorter, faster races over distance. The fees for races certainly costs me a good chunk of change, but this is what motivates me to stick with exercising.

My biggest struggle is nutrition. I've been doing a lot better, but that only means I've gone from eating like shit to not eating like shit as much. Now I need to start eating healthy.

I also need to start lifting weights regularly. I never liked it in the first place, but I also sweat probably 3x more than the average person, so it takes a while to make sure I get my station wiped down at the gym, so I usually just skip that. I'm looking into getting some weights at home so I don't have that as an excuse anymore. I don't have much room, so I'm thinking of getting this bench with some dumbbells, and possibly adding this to it after a bit to help work on my legs more.

If anyone has actually finished reading this and has any suggestions for any other compact weight lifting systems I could look into, I'd appreciate it.

#938 seanr1221   :'( CAGiversary!   24430 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

Posted 24 July 2011 - 05:31 PM

First, congrats on your progress so far. it definitely helps that your wife is supportive. Research in weight loss has shown people with social support have the best results :)

When I first started getting into fitness/lifting, I got a total gym. This was back 7 years or so I think. Stuff like that is ok to start with, but from the sounds of your running stories, you feed off that energy from people around you doing similar things. I know I do. When I see one guy pick up the 50lb dumbells to do curls, and I'm holding 45s, I want to then do 50s. It gets you pumped up, you know? Is a gym in the cards at all for weight lifting?

#939 dmaul1114   Banned Banned   24688 Posts   Joined 16.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 05:33 PM

Yeah, there's just no beating a gym IMO. Both the motivation angle, and having access to all that equipment to let you do pretty much any exercise in the books.

#940 sublime90   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1183 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:25 PM

i like lifting weights but i dont like gyms because theres either A) pretty boys trying to look hot for women or B) crazy muscle heads with to much testosterone. so when i was working out i just used a pull up bar.....push up bars and dumb bells. i actually have a bench with about 300 pounds of weight but its big and i dont have room for it so instead i bought this Dosho its 500 bucks but i really like it and a pretty good deal considering what you get and its pretty compact.

#941 theytookourjobz   We Gotta Go Back CAGiversary!   1260 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:04 PM

Sorry for the wall of text here. I've never noticed this thread before, so I thought I'd share a bit of my story.

I've lost 25 lbs over the last few months after my wife and I decided to finally get back into shape. I like running. I use a few time benchmarks to track how I'm improving. My mile time went from 8:14 in March to 6:40 yesterday. I'd like to see that go down to 5:30 or so, and at that point maybe I'll start focusing on 400m and 800m times as well, since those were two races I loved in high school. I'm 28, 5'10" and currently 180 lbs. I want to get down to about 170 lbs and see if I want to lose more at that point.

Getting back into running was really hard for me, which surprised me since I used to LOVE it. I've had several "I'm getting back into shape" false starts over the past 5 or so years, which was a bit demoralizing to me. When I used to easily run 2 miles in under 12 minutes, it was very hard for me to get used to taking it very slow just so I could finish 15 minutes of jogging without stopping, never mind how far I actually ran in that time. But short term goals coupled with rewards helped me get over the initial, "I suck, what's the point of this," feeling at first.

What I've discovered about myself now that I'm sticking with it is that I don't really care about the running itself. What I really love, and what motivates me to run, is The Race. I don't care about getting in shape for the sake of health, I love getting in shape so I can look at others after a race and think, "I'm faster than you. Eat me." Which is weird because I don't think I'm better than other people. I love cheering others on and watching others work hard just like I am. But during the race and for about 60 seconds afterwards you and I are enemies, and for some reason I love that.

I also love the motivation of losing. I hate seeing some guy just barely beat me when I've given my all during a race. I look forward to burying those people next time I see them, which helps me stay motivated during training.

I've run several 5ks and a 10k, and I'm thinking about starting triathlons next year. I'm thinking about doing a half marathon next year as well. As a longer term goal, I might consider a full marathon just to do it once in my life. I prefer shorter, faster races over distance. The fees for races certainly costs me a good chunk of change, but this is what motivates me to stick with exercising.

My biggest struggle is nutrition. I've been doing a lot better, but that only means I've gone from eating like shit to not eating like shit as much. Now I need to start eating healthy.

I also need to start lifting weights regularly. I never liked it in the first place, but I also sweat probably 3x more than the average person, so it takes a while to make sure I get my station wiped down at the gym, so I usually just skip that. I'm looking into getting some weights at home so I don't have that as an excuse anymore. I don't have much room, so I'm thinking of getting this bench with some dumbbells, and possibly adding this to it after a bit to help work on my legs more.

If anyone has actually finished reading this and has any suggestions for any other compact weight lifting systems I could look into, I'd appreciate it.


If you have a Crossfit gym in your area, you should check it out. I've bee doing it for about a year and it's awesome, especially if you have a competitive spirit.

#942 Condor80   Let's Go Mets!!! CAGiversary!   4475 Posts   Joined 17.2 Years Ago  

Posted 25 July 2011 - 06:06 PM

I weighed in again this morning and I'm down to 212.2 pounds, 2 pounds less than last week. I haven't been eating healthy lately though. I had a huge burger on Saturday, half a pizza yesterday, and Buffalo Wild Wings today. I'm still staying under the recommended calorie intake though, so hopefully the damage won't be too bad.

By the way, when you guys work out, do you eat back the calories you lost? Sometimes, my net calorie intake is 600-800 less for the day because of exercise and I don't know what to eat to make up for the deficit.

#943 Lyricsborn   Lives in the Shithole Boca Raton CAGiversary!   1953 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:22 AM

Any tips on burning a stomach bulge? I run 8 miles everyday and have been doing situps for 2 months now but I still have a dough gut. I replaced soda with water for lunch and dinner and drink either juice or milk for breakfast. Breakfast I mostly eat a waffle without butter or syrup, 3 strips of bacon. Lunch is a home made turkey sandwich with mustard on wheat bread. Dinners I'll eat hot dogs, sphagetti, or any stuff I have at home. I don't know if any of that helps.

#944 DestroVega   Life is short... stunt it CAGiversary!   7191 Posts   Joined 14.0 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:31 AM

^I'm not an expert, but you probably should have some grains and protein in the morning instead. Oatmeal, wheat english muffin, greek yogurt. that stuff.

Hot Dogs? unless they are smart dogs, not a great food source, and if it's wheat pasta, that's better, but I try to eat even wheat pasta, once, twice a month.

Your lunch is good though. Try eating grilled chicken for dinner and maybe lean red meat once in a while.

#945 Lyricsborn   Lives in the Shithole Boca Raton CAGiversary!   1953 Posts   Joined 11.2 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:44 AM

Not just hot dogs but chicken, ground beef, occasional pork.

#946 Bloodbooger   Male Escort and Hired Gun CAGiversary!   1071 Posts   Joined 16.9 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 01:25 AM

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#947 theytookourjobz   We Gotta Go Back CAGiversary!   1260 Posts   Joined 13.8 Years Ago  

theytookourjobz

Posted 26 July 2011 - 02:02 AM

Any tips on burning a stomach bulge? I run 8 miles everyday and have been doing situps for 2 months now but I still have a dough gut. I replaced soda with water for lunch and dinner and drink either juice or milk for breakfast. Breakfast I mostly eat a waffle without butter or syrup, 3 strips of bacon. Lunch is a home made turkey sandwich with mustard on wheat bread. Dinners I'll eat hot dogs, sphagetti, or any stuff I have at home. I don't know if any of that helps.



Get rid of grains and dairy. Weight will fall off. Get your carbs from veggies and some fruit.

#948 Cry Havoc   Breaker Breaker CAGiversary!   743 Posts   Joined 14.9 Years Ago  

Posted 26 July 2011 - 02:15 AM

First, congrats on your progress so far. it definitely helps that your wife is supportive. Research in weight loss has shown people with social support have the best results :)

When I first started getting into fitness/lifting, I got a total gym. This was back 7 years or so I think. Stuff like that is ok to start with, but from the sounds of your running stories, you feed off that energy from people around you doing similar things. I know I do. When I see one guy pick up the 50lb dumbells to do curls, and I'm holding 45s, I want to then do 50s. It gets you pumped up, you know? Is a gym in the cards at all for weight lifting?


Yeah, there's just no beating a gym IMO. Both the motivation angle, and having access to all that equipment to let you do pretty much any exercise in the books.


I guess I never thought of using the gym as a motivation factor. Normally I hate it so I have been afraid it would be the opposite. Maybe I'll just give it a shot for a few weeks and see what happens.

i like lifting weights but i dont like gyms because theres either A) pretty boys trying to look hot for women or B) crazy muscle heads with to much testosterone. so when i was working out i just used a pull up bar.....push up bars and dumb bells. i actually have a bench with about 300 pounds of weight but its big and i dont have room for it so instead i bought this Dosho its 500 bucks but i really like it and a pretty good deal considering what you get and its pretty compact.


Interesting, thanks for the tip. I think I'm looking for something that I can put away easily though. I like the idea of the bench I posted earlier because I can collapse it and slide it under the bed when I'm done. That Dosho isn't too bad though, so I may have to look at things like that and see if it's feasible.

If you have a Crossfit gym in your area, you should check it out. I've bee doing it for about a year and it's awesome, especially if you have a competitive spirit.


I actually do have a gym membership already, but I'll have to look into this more next year when it's close to expiring. It looks like there are a few in my area.

#949 Allnatural   CAGiversary! CAGiversary!   1213 Posts   Joined 15.6 Years Ago  

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Posted 26 July 2011 - 12:56 PM

Yesterday was the first day I did cardio after weight lifting. Wow. I'm sore in ways I haven't been for a while, and much earlier than usual (DOMS typically sets in about 24 hours later). This was probably just the thing my somewhat stagnant workout needed.

On a related note, I'm going to buy a power tower soon. I'm ashamed to admit that I've never done pull-ups, just dumbbell rows. Looking forward to hitting the lats properly.

#950 htown01   Texas CAG CAGiversary!   1136 Posts   Joined 11.9 Years Ago  

Posted 27 July 2011 - 08:29 PM

@blindinglights

Disagreeing does not equate to one person being right and the other wrong, it means we have a difference in opinion.

but I'm not sure how that equates to making "nutrition is arguably more important than exercise" a bad statement?”

Look back at my post, I never said that my fellow CAG ;)

You give pretty sound advice, one of the few I've read in this thread, but I'm just trying to point out what several people are overlooking. Even you said you went through a "nutrition learning binge and revamped [your] diet". By doing what? Changing your eating habits/behavior.

Before, several food guidelines from organizations like the AHA, ADA, etc recommended, gave advice on healthy food but following those recommendations went beyond the kitchen/dinner table into other areas of your life. They used to stress on healthy eating but now they have revamped their guidelines and now you see these organizations broaden their concepts to include the importance of a healthy lifestyle on top of healthy eating.

If you wish to read up more on healthy lifestyle, I strongly recommend reading a journal article published in Health Sociology Review "The symbolic power of "healthy lifestyles" that goes into way more detail. I can't post it here because of the copyright statement it has at the end of the article. It does say that I can "print, download, or email articles for individual use." So send me a PM and I'll e-mail you the article :D

#951 blindinglights   ... CAGiversary!   4579 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 27 July 2011 - 11:12 PM

I suppose I misunderstood your reply. I found the article in a quick Google search, thanks. :)

#952 Condor80   Let's Go Mets!!! CAGiversary!   4475 Posts   Joined 17.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2011 - 01:49 PM

I think I hit a wall. I've been doing the same thing as the past 8 weeks, but my weight actually went up 1.5 pounds this morning, so I'm up to 213.6. Any tips on getting back on track?

#953 irideabike   no show CAGiversary!   6039 Posts   Joined 12.7 Years Ago  

irideabike

Posted 01 August 2011 - 02:09 PM

shock your body and shake it up a bit.

#954 blindinglights   ... CAGiversary!   4579 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

blindinglights

Posted 01 August 2011 - 02:22 PM

I think I hit a wall. I've been doing the same thing as the past 8 weeks, but my weight actually went up 1.5 pounds this morning, so I'm up to 213.6. Any tips on getting back on track?



What is your current routine?

#955 Condor80   Let's Go Mets!!! CAGiversary!   4475 Posts   Joined 17.2 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:10 PM

What is your current routine?


As far as exercise, I've been doing a workout video three times a week. I either use the Firm, which is a 45 minute circuit workout with weights or Insanity (which I just started a week and a half ago).

I'm using myfitnesspal.com to track my calorie intake and it recommends I stay at 1,850 calories per day to lose a pound a week. I just looked at my weekly report though and I've been 500 calories under the 1,850 for a couple of those days, which is due to the exercise. I just can't seem to find what to eat to make up for the exercise calories lost.

#956 seanr1221   :'( CAGiversary!   24430 Posts   Joined 15.9 Years Ago  

Posted 01 August 2011 - 03:38 PM

Honestly dont get hung up on weight. How your clothes fit is a really good indicator. You could also take pictures once a month and have a visual.

#957 blindinglights   ... CAGiversary!   4579 Posts   Joined 11.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 02 August 2011 - 04:19 AM

It's possible you aren't eating enough. If your body feels that it isn't receiving enough food then it will be more difficult to lose weight. How is your eating scheduled throughout the day? You need to eat first thing in the morning and then every few hours throughout the day to keep the metabolism burning.

Also, you could just be retaining a bit of water. I wouldn't obsess over a pound and a half. I've lost more than that in sweat on long runs before.

I'm not familiar with those workout plans, but are those three days your only active days? On off days from your video routines do you go jogging or do any other physical activity? After two months, I would think your body has became used to your three day, 45 minute plan. You can either seriously crank up the intensity, consider two a days for your 3 days, or start adding in some other activities between those three days (running, biking, kayaking, swimming, whatever really).

Sadly, you can't just do the same thing forever and keep losing weight. The human body will eventually adapt to damn near anything you throw at it (if you don't believe me, read this). You have to constantly push yourself harder and harder to make progress.

Good luck :)

#958 Condor80   Let's Go Mets!!! CAGiversary!   4475 Posts   Joined 17.2 Years Ago  

Posted 02 August 2011 - 12:27 PM

Thanks for the advice guys!

blindinglights, yes those are my only workout days. I'm trying to walk during lunch every day though, so I'm hoping that will help some. It's also tough finding time to workout with a new baby. My wife wants to start working out too, so maybe we can go out for walks and stuff.

I'll wait to see how I do next Monday. I'll try to eat up all my calories, but it's tough finding what to eat. I read in another forum that nuts or almonds are the best way to go, so I may try that.

#959 jbuck138   Wario for President! CAGiversary!   718 Posts   Joined 16.1 Years Ago  

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Posted 07 August 2011 - 06:04 AM

My condo's gym has some papertowel things to wipe down the equipment, but it always gets jammed. Should I buy special gym towels or bring old hand towels? I would prefer to buy some cheap hand towels.

Should I bring some type of spray or lysol wipes to wipe down the equipment? I sweat like crazy and don't want to be the guy that doesn't clean up.

#960 Dokstarr   Tap, Snap or Nap CAGiversary!   2232 Posts   Joined 14.2 Years Ago  

Posted 07 August 2011 - 07:50 AM

Thought I'd post in here since I haven't been up in this thread for probably a year or so.

Started to get pretty hardcore back into things - starting to cut down on weight again because I think I want to start doing some more Jiu Jitsu and Judo tournaments. I'm also at the point where I'm pretty sure I don't even want to do real last 36 hour cutting hell again (at the most maybe just like a quick 5 lbs), so I'd rather just get down close to that as my walk around weight.

Also started upping my running again - I haven't done a long run (1/2 marathon) since January and would like to do one again by this upcoming January. Hopefully with the cooler weather coming it will get a little easier. The gym where I live has a gym, but I think also maybe a mold problem in the ventilation. When I run there it kills my asthma (definitely asthma and not just out of shapeness).

On a side not I found a few warts on the bottom of my foot. Have an appointment to have them removed on Monday - I have a feeling they may have to be cut off since it is a cluster. That would leave me out of jiu jitsu and judo for probably a month as the cut heals. Maybe I will be lucky though.