Should CAG take an official stance against EA?

Scrubking

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I think it would be good for CAG to take an official stance against EA. Not only because they are single handedly devouring the gaming Industry, but because it would raise awareness and help people see what is really going on. Like it has been said a lot of gamers have no clue what goes on in the Industry, but if they knew about the slimy tactics of EA they might do the right thing and not buy their games.

Personally I am utterly disgusted with EA, as are many, but it is time to do something about it and the least CAG could do is raise awareness on the subject in an official manner.

I would hope that CAG does not want to see EA take over the gaming Industry and raise prices to high heaven. After all, CAG is about cheap games.

Here is the latest in EA's takeover of the gaming industry.
 
Why not? Maybe we could start something big and get it to spread to other sites. Heck, if we get it big enough, maybe we could get the gaming industry or the press to notice us.

I'm serious.

Let's try this. I've been planning on not giving any of my money to EA for months now, so I'm more than willing to support this.
 
[quote name='AdamInPlaidum']It's unfair to affiliate everyone on the forums in one purpose, lest you ask each and every last one of them and they agree.[/quote]

Maybe so, but it's not your site. CheapyD can do whatever he wants, since he owns it and pays for things like bandwidth and server space for our use. I'd say that we would be fine doing it if both Cheapy and a majority of the users approved; even if we don't get a majority, CheapyD is free to do what he wishes.

I agree with punq that it probably won't happen, but I'm still going to push for it.
 
[quote name='punqsux']im all for it, but itll never happen.[/quote]

Agreed.

Unfortunatly it is the nature of business, EA is looking to further strengthen its position in the market and obtaining the offical rights to the NFLPA and ESPN is certainly one way to do it. I wish it didn't happen, because in the end the consumers will most likely get another watered-down product, but can you blame EA for wanting to team up with the most recognized name in sports entertainment?

Not to sound like dad, but life isn't fair. We can voice our opinions, but ultimately if consumers continue to purchase EA games than it won't really matter.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I think it would be good for CAG to take an official stance against EA. Not only because they are single handedly devouring the gaming Industry, but because it would raise awareness and help people see what is really going on. Like it has been said a lot of gamers have no clue what goes on in the Industry, but if they knew about the slimy tactics of EA they might do the right thing and not buy their games.

Personally I am utterly disgusted with EA, as are many, but it is time to do something about it and the least CAG could do is raise awareness on the subject in an official manner.

I would hope that CAG does not want to see EA take over the gaming Industry and raise prices to high heaven. After all, CAG is about cheap games.

Here is the latest in EA's takeover of the gaming industry.[/quote]
That is the dumbest thing I have seen on cag all year.
 
we have no real power, we are just a small minority in the whole video game players spectrum. People will mindlessly buy EA and not give a crap.
 
[quote name='RichD1']What a stupid thread.[/quote]

What a stupid post. :roll:

Something needs to be done by major websites like this one or else no one will notice. Do you think the gaming media care? Do you think they will speak out against EA? Not as long as EA pays their bills.

The naysayers have been ignoring the issue saying it's no big deal yet every day more news breaks on how EA has taken over another company or done something to make gaming worse.

Something needs to be done NOW. Awareness needs to be raised NOW. Don't wait to really do something cause it may be too late.
 
[quote name='Gothic_Walrus'][quote name='AdamInPlaidum']It's unfair to affiliate everyone on the forums in one purpose, lest you ask each and every last one of them and they agree.[/quote]

Maybe so, but it's not your site. CheapyD can do whatever he wants, since he owns it and pays for things like bandwidth and server space for our use. I'd say that we would be fine doing it if both Cheapy and a majority of the users approved; even if we don't get a majority, CheapyD is free to do what he wishes.

I agree with punq that it probably won't happen, but I'm still going to push for it.[/quote]

I just think we can spread awareness of what EA is doing without the whole website having to take a stand. Don't get me wrong here, I'm all for helping slow down the growth of EA. Like you say, though, it's Cheapy's website, and he can do however he sees fit. Whatever is decided, I'll be glad to help out.
 
I'm all for CAG taking a stance congratulating EA on its business decisions....

They made a decision that Sega was starting to eat into their profits, so they took decisive action and eliminated the competition. Both licenses have been wonderful business moves.
 
[quote name='Scrubking'][quote name='RichD1']What a stupid thread.[/quote]

What a stupid post. :roll:

Something needs to be done by major websites like this one or else no one will notice. Do you think the gaming media care? Do you think they will speak out against EA? Not as long as EA pays their bills.

The naysayers have been ignoring the issue saying it's no big deal yet every day more news breaks on how EA has taken over another company or done something to make gaming worse.

Something needs to be done NOW. Awareness needs to be raised NOW. Don't wait to really do something cause it may be too late.[/quote]

The only way I would support something like this is if you were willing to do this every time this happens. For example when Nintendo buys another company or Microsoft buys another company, but that won't happen. It's very popular right now to hate on EA on this site, even though nonne knows what the end results of any of this will be. Any speculation is just that.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']I'm all for CAG taking a stance congratulating EA on its business decisions....

They made a decision that Sega was starting to eat into their profits, so they took decisive action and eliminated the competition. Both licenses have been wonderful business moves.[/quote]

Amen! Let's hear it for EA!
 
Last time I checked, Madden 2005 outsold ESPN 2005 5 to 1... For some reason people are willing to pay $50 for the Madden brand rather than getting an equally superior game for $20...

I don't think EA can be stopped if people continue to pay $50 for updates every year...
 
It occurs to me that if Cheapy did want to do something, it would be better to ask the guys at Penny Arcade to head it up. They've made pretty clear their disdain for what EA is doing, and CAG helped out with Child's Play, so maybe there are some ties?
 
Get used to it guys. EA will do what they want. If they are doing something illegal, they will get caught. You can protest all you want, but don't assume everyone here feels the exact same as you.

Does it suck? ...Yes
What can we do about it? ...bend over and take it up the tail pipe.
 
[quote name='Cornfedwb']I'm all for CAG taking a stance congratulating EA on its business decisions....

They made a decision that Sega was starting to eat into their profits, so they took decisive action and eliminated the competition. Both licenses have been wonderful business moves.[/quote]

the first 30 times i saw you post this, i disagreed, but now i agree with you.

ea makes smart business decisions so it must be good for us consumers.

i will bow down to the mighty power of ea.

and all because fo you, and posting the same thing 100 times, see, i knew there had to be some point to posting it so often...

:roll:
 
EA produces quality game usually. There games always have high production values and u can see that. Now taking over espn is in no way effecting gaming but helping there games. Ubi Soft still has control of there company and ea is trying to make a profit on a company that is producing high quality games like them. As long as they dont enter the console dept im fine with wat they do.
 
While you at it don't shop or eat the approximately one million other business that you are a customer for that use potentially questionable business practices.

Also, many websites other than this one have given negative stories and commentaries to the situation. Memebers can bash it as they see fit, but I don't think it's right to lump every memeber of the community into a cause offically.
 
While I am quite perturbed by the agressive moves of EA as of late, I can't say I'm really all that affected (mostly because I have little to no interest in sports games). If they start fucking with the Oddworld license though, words will be had.

But, for all the whining I (or anyone else) could do on the matter, it won't make a lick of difference. The only thing that can make a difference is not purchasing their games. If you feel you simply MUST buy one of their games, try to pick it up used so they won't see a dime of the profit. That is the only difference the consumers at our level can make.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Cornfedwb']I'm all for CAG taking a stance congratulating EA on its business decisions....

They made a decision that Sega was starting to eat into their profits, so they took decisive action and eliminated the competition. Both licenses have been wonderful business moves.[/quote]

the first 30 times i saw you post this, i disagreed, but now i agree with you.

ea makes smart business decisions so it must be good for us consumers.

i will bow down to the mighty power of ea.

and all because fo you, and posting the same thing 100 times, see, i knew there had to be some point to posting it so often...

:roll:[/quote]

I think your failing to realize that there is a distinct difference between good business decision and good for the consumer. Cornfed is right, EA made a great business move by snatching up the license. It is ALWAYS a good business idea to eliminate your competition, the adverse of that though is that competition, while not good for a business, is always best for the consumer.
 
CheapyD is going to shit when he sees this.

Send money to sick kids in the hospital at Christmas time? Nah, I'll pass.
Piss and moan over the Internet for free all after noon about how you don't like EA and what they'e doing? Hell fu*kin' Yeah!!
 
[quote name='Chris Dillon']EA produces quality game usually. There games always have high production values and u can see that. Now taking over espn is in no way effecting gaming but helping there games. Ubi Soft still has control of there company and ea is trying to make a profit on a company that is producing high quality games like them. As long as they dont enter the console dept im fine with wat they do.[/quote]

Nobody is questioning EA's games. The issue here is that EA is very rapidly building a monopoly in the sports game department, and with a monopoly comes higher prices.
 
[quote name='Derwood43']Get used to it guys. EA will do what they want. If they are doing something illegal, they will get caught. You can protest all you want, but don't assume everyone here feels the exact same as you.

Does it suck? ...Yes
What can we do about it? ...bend over and take it up the tail pipe.[/quote]

A lot of people don't feel the same way because they don't have a clue what EA is doing. You would be surprised the effect raising awarness would have.

The deafetest attitude is going to get us nowhere. Yes there are plenty of things we can do to stop EA. We can give them a black eye by making people aware of their slimy tactics. EA just released a statement where they said they have never done a hostile takeover. Most people will believe it, but if you reveal the truth and show that EA is lying through their teeth things can change. We can also deny them our money by not buying their games new. It is not that hard to buy a used game so EA doesn't make a cent of your purchase. Hell, most people here buy used games every single day. No one is telling you not to get the game, just limit the amount of money you put in EA's pocket.
 
[quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Cornfedwb']I'm all for CAG taking a stance congratulating EA on its business decisions....

They made a decision that Sega was starting to eat into their profits, so they took decisive action and eliminated the competition. Both licenses have been wonderful business moves.[/quote]

the first 30 times i saw you post this, i disagreed, but now i agree with you.

ea makes smart business decisions so it must be good for us consumers.

i will bow down to the mighty power of ea.

and all because fo you, and posting the same thing 100 times, see, i knew there had to be some point to posting it so often...

:roll:[/quote]

I don't think he is asking any of us to bow down to EA, rather making the conclusion that any company would do the same thing when competition arises. It makes sense...for EA. I don't think for a second that EA makes decisions designed to help out the gamers. This is not reality.

If you don't agree with what EA did, simply refuse to buy any of their titles. You're not still interested in that copy of Medal of Honor: Frontiline are you?
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']CheapyD is going to shit when he sees this.

Send money to sick kids in the hospital at Christmas time? Nah, I'll pass.
Piss and moan over the Internet for free all after noon about how you don't like EA and what they'e doing? Hell fu*kin' Yeah!![/quote]

:rofl:
 
[quote name='JimmieMac']CheapyD is going to shit when he sees this.

Send money to sick kids in the hospital at Christmas time? Nah, I'll pass.
Piss and moan over the Internet for free all after noon about how you don't like EA and what they'e doing? Hell fu*kin' Yeah!![/quote]
:rofl:
 
All that we as consumers can do is inform other gamers and boycott E.A.
I really do not know how any gamer can support this move! E.A. now has a MONOPOLY on N.F.L. football games. The main reason for this multi million dollar deal between E.A. and the N.F.L. transpired was a little $20 game called ESPN Football. A game superior to Madden in many ways. This move should show everyone their true colors. And then E.A. going out and buying 20% of Ubisoft further shows how business oriented the companies is. WE ARE THE ONLY ONES WHO WILL LOSS HERE!!!!
I 100% agree that we need to take some kind of stand!
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='punqsux'][quote name='Cornfedwb']I'm all for CAG taking a stance congratulating EA on its business decisions....

They made a decision that Sega was starting to eat into their profits, so they took decisive action and eliminated the competition. Both licenses have been wonderful business moves.[/quote]

the first 30 times i saw you post this, i disagreed, but now i agree with you.

ea makes smart business decisions so it must be good for us consumers.

i will bow down to the mighty power of ea.

and all because fo you, and posting the same thing 100 times, see, i knew there had to be some point to posting it so often...

:roll:[/quote]

I think your failing to realize that there is a distinct difference between good business decision and good for the consumer. Cornfed is right, EA made a great business move by snatching up the license. It is ALWAYS a good business idea to eliminate your competition, the adverse of that though is that competition, while not good for a business, is always best for the consumer.[/quote]

hes arguing with himself tho, no one said ea was bad at business.
 
it is communist to belive that companies competing fairly makes for good products? why is this a stupid post? don't you care that madden will never have a reason to get better every year anymore? anyone else notice the recent stream of crap comming from ea?

i'm for an offical stance, and obviously i don't think ea is an ethical buisness.

the idea that we can't do anything is ridiculous. wal mart has been fighting small buisness and neighborhoods for years and has earned a popular reputation as an unwholesome retailer. i don't hate walmart, i don't hate ea- but they deserve a black eye.
 
[quote name='Ugamer_X'][quote name='JimmieMac']CheapyD is going to shit when he sees this.

Send money to sick kids in the hospital at Christmas time? Nah, I'll pass.
Piss and moan over the Internet for free all after noon about how you don't like EA and what they'e doing? Hell fu*kin' Yeah!![/quote]
:rofl:[/quote]

:rofl:
 
[quote name='tragicslip']it is communist to belive that companies competing fairly makes for good products? why is this a stupid post? don't you care that madden will never have a reason to get better every year anymore? anyone else notice the recent stream of crap comming from ea?

i'm for an offical stance, and obviously i don't think ea is an ethical buisness.[/quote]

Played Burnout 3? Sure EA releases a lot of crap but so do other companies. EA just gets the bad wrap because of all this buying up the competition stuff.

Just buy a game if you like it and don't pay attention to the publisher/developer. Its what I do. If you only buy the good games (regardless of the company) they will realize what consumers like and produce that.

This may be a monopoly in some sense but on the other hand, given the fact that its involving products produced purely for entertainment, I think its silly to be pushing all this boycott EA stuff.
 
Unless you can get a 100% agreement with everyone having a stance on it, then it won't happen. Let those against it have their sigs that make them feel like they're fighting the man.
 
[quote name='RedvsBlue'][quote name='tragicslip']it is communist to belive that companies competing fairly makes for good products? why is this a stupid post? don't you care that madden will never have a reason to get better every year anymore? anyone else notice the recent stream of crap comming from ea?

i'm for an offical stance, and obviously i don't think ea is an ethical buisness.[/quote]

Played Burnout 3? Sure EA releases a lot of crap but so do other companies. EA just gets the bad wrap because of all this buying up the competition stuff.

Just buy a game if you like it and don't pay attention to the publisher/developer. Its what I do. If you only buy the good games (regardless of the company) they will realize what consumers like and produce that.

This may be a monopoly in some sense but on the other hand, given the fact that its involving products produced purely for entertainment, I think its silly to be pushing all this boycott EA stuff.[/quote]
In that other guys defense, Burnout 3 was developed by Criterion and was almost finished when EA bought them. The only thing EA had the time to add to the game was their crappy liscenced music.
 
I hope all you people who support EA realize that if EA continues on the path they are on there will only be a handful of publishers in the future where EA publishes 75% of all the games or worse. Prices will go through the roof to somewhere like $80 a game with little to no price drop.

And all because everyone said it wasn't a big deal, or that nothing could be done.

I thought CAG was composed of people who liked cheap games. I guess I was wrong.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I hope all you people who support EA realize that if EA continues on the path they are on there will only be a handful of publishers in the future where EA publishes 75% of all the games or worse. Prices will go through the roof to somewhere like $80 a game with little to no price drop.

.[/quote]

I'd like to live in your fantasy world of chocolate rivers and candy rain and ginger bread houses.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I hope all you people who support EA realize that if EA continues on the path they are on there will only be a handful of publishers in the future where EA publishes 75% of all the games or worse. Prices will go through the roof to somewhere like $80 a game with little to no price drop.

And all because everyone said it wasn't a big deal, or that nothing could be done.

I thought CAG was composed of people who liked cheap games. I guess I was wrong.[/quote]

Once again you are guessing that any of that will happen. Noone really knows. Also, its fine if you want to criticize EA, but where are you when Nintendo buys a company or Sony or even Microsoft?

Regardless, this is Cheapy's site so the decision is his alone. We are all guests here. Not too mention that most of the guests so far say that the site should not have an official stand. But you don't care because they don't agree with what you want them to believe.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I hope all you people who support EA realize that if EA continues on the path they are on there will only be a handful of publishers in the future where EA publishes 75% of all the games or worse. Prices will go through the roof to somewhere like $80 a game with little to no price drop.

And all because everyone said it wasn't a big deal, or that nothing could be done.

I thought CAG was composed of people who liked cheap games. I guess I was wrong.[/quote]

Question: do you anti-EA kids have vices on your testicles constantly or do you just hit them from time to time to remain as shrill as you all are?

Hint: there's not a single game EA publishes that you can't live without or, in most cases, replace with something superior.
 
[quote name='Scrubking']I hope all you people who support EA realize that if EA continues on the path they are on there will only be a handful of publishers in the future where EA publishes 75% of all the games or worse. Prices will go through the roof to somewhere like $80 a game with little to no price drop.

And all because everyone said it wasn't a big deal, or that nothing could be done.

I thought CAG was composed of people who liked cheap games. I guess I was wrong.[/quote]

Yep and then to continue your story. The games come out at $80, no one buys them, and then they drop in price. Besides, if the games are $80 then just don't buy them, no one is forcing you to spend your money on entertainment products.
 
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