lulz at me missing that first post. the lack of sig on the next three messed me up

edit: good read here
http://www.nytimes.c...s/11health.html
AMA opposes the healthcare bill.
Edited by perdition(troy, 11 June 2009 - 06:27 PM.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 05:46 PM
Edited by perdition(troy, 11 June 2009 - 06:27 PM.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 05:49 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 05:49 PM
that would be a triple post, and another crappy post by msut.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 05:50 PM
As someone without any sort of insurance, i'd welcome any sort of plan which provided me some sort of coverage, no matter how good or bad it may be.
One thing i do wonder about though. If we had a federal free health care program, how many companies would still provide coverage as a company benefit?
Posted 11 June 2009 - 05:52 PM
that would be a triple post, and another crappy post by msut.
edit: good read here
http://www.nytimes.c...s/11health.html
AMA opposes the healthcare bill.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 05:59 PM
Can't even begin to froth at how much I hate American healthcare. Shitty rudimentary cancer care's what killed my mother in 6 months, and since PCOS isn't immediately fatal, no one gives a shit about my condition or even knows what it is. All doctors know is to prescribe drugs that cause cancer to prevent cancer and tell me to starve myself, and all insurance companies know is that it's genetic so I can go piss off.
So whatever thesystems we have now are already deadly OP, take that shit-stirring FUD headline somewhere else.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:04 PM
One fix to the system could be to make HMO's run as non-profits. Many claims are denied so the bottom line can be maintained. I understand that pharmaceutical and medical device companies use profits to research new products that will "help" more people but what do HMO's use their profits for? Other than paying statisticians to make new formulas that deny more people for pre-existing conditions or what not.
EDIT -- I know it's awfully socialist of me to question an individual corporation's motives and business practices but really what do they do with the money?
Edited by Snake2715, 11 June 2009 - 07:09 PM.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:04 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:10 PM
Quadruple post and all of it piss poor.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:14 PM
I can speak on the states I dont write insurance on, as Blue Cross is actually broken up by state, but they all share networks...
BCBS of Michigan is "non profit"... let me tell you what that gets them.. They can manipulate the system to really drive out competing carriers with Small Group reform laws that they themselves wrote and then pushed through congress.
They can funnel money to their other owned susbidaries (Accident Fund, a Michigan Workers Compensation insurance carrier) and then use the funneled money to build new buildings, buy land, become more competitive, pay higher salaries, etc.
They get out of a lot of taxes as now they are "non profit" so they do not pay certian property or income taxes... all the while being one of the most expensive carriers in the state of Michigan.
Gotta love the non profit status and all the great things that come from that.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:14 PM
Care to tell me why?
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:18 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:23 PM
Msut is one of those people you know has no life.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:24 PM
Msut is one of those people you know has no life.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:25 PM
We're talking politics on a cheap gaming site. NONE of us have a life.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:26 PM
hey! im at work.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:37 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:39 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:40 PM
I don't know why your posts are so piss poor, if I had to guess it seems that why you are certainly more energetic than the other posters you are equally dim. Now I can start on how your posts are so piss poor starting off with how you seem to believe that being able to get seen in an ER is a substitute for a working medical system.
Edited by Snake2715, 11 June 2009 - 07:10 PM.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:42 PM
So you started, didnt back it up with examples of these mythical working healthcare systems, and you never finished with anything at all... and my posts are piss poor?
Posted 11 June 2009 - 06:46 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 07:07 PM
How do you get facts and examples from a myth?
Mythical?
Edited by Snake2715, 11 June 2009 - 07:19 PM.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 07:19 PM
First it was an expression.
There were no examples or facts.
Perfect, is that a better choice, or great, exceptional, balanced, fair....
The current system "works", maybe not for everyone, but its "working"
You come on and start your response by calling me dim.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 07:29 PM
Posted 11 June 2009 - 07:48 PM
Msut77,
Yup, I am both ingorant and stupid. Thank you.
We will disagree then, thanks for your reasoning to that. Sorry if I missed it in another thread, or another news article you read some time during your life.
Since there seems to be an answer out there, I am surprised you have not been more proactive in getting this news to the government. I suspect there is this working system that we should copy exactly, no?
Better... thats your choice of word now? See how this thread gets jacked up with pissing contests. I rarely post in the politics threads for this very reason.
Let me ask one question.
Your argument for better had better be pretty damn good, because all sides of this "reform" have people just like you giving example, after example, as to why they are right. To say something is better with no possible downsides seems a little silly to me.
Can our system get better, sure. Will a government run health system be better, thats open to discussion. I thought this thread was for that exact reason. I was wrong.
Maybe you should go back and prove how dim I am as I probably misspelled quite a bit. I know I used punctuation incorrectly. If my single Mother would have had more money to put me into a good college this would probably not be a problem... but then she was working and trying to pay medical insurance so we had a choice of being dead/sick or going to a good college. I see now how your side of the argument will positively effect everyone involved for the best. I will concede. Thanks for sharing.
Posted 11 June 2009 - 07:59 PM
Haha, it does get pretty lively in here, that's just the way it is.
But anyway, I'll concede to you that the system is working, but if you want to use that argument, it technically works in Canada too,
Posted 11 June 2009 - 08:03 PM
Posted 12 June 2009 - 02:37 AM
I suspect there is this working system that we should copy exactly, no?
Let me ask one question.
Your argument for better had better be pretty damn good, because all sides of this "reform" have people just like you giving example, after example, as to why they are right. To say something is better with no possible downsides seems a little silly to me.
Posted 12 June 2009 - 02:59 AM
Well what do you suggest for someone like myself who can't get insured because of a pre existing condition then? I'm uninsurable because they won't make any money off of me. My health has been broken down to a matter of profit for a company.None, why when you can get it free from the government?
Thus reducing the spread of risk the private carriers have, and increasing their prices more.
You all sit here like these companies are ripping everyone off.
There are RX for RA, and Crohns out there athat are $10,000 a pop and they are prescribed quarterly. So $40,000 in 4 treatments. No realistically the person getting those treatments has many other medical expenses, but you can bet your ass they are not paying $40,000 a year on medical insurance are they.
But somehow the insurance carrier that has to meet certain surplus funds, and liquid assets to liability ratios is the evil overcharging HMO. Its a spread of risk, some people pay in and get nothing or verylittle back, others get much more then they pay in.... its the entire concept of insurance.
Posted 12 June 2009 - 08:18 PM
Kinda busy here. You know, repairing the nation's forests. Healing the Earth. Destroying my body so that you guys can wipe your asses.I seriously wish there were more Canadians weighing in here.
Well, lesse. I come from a pretty poor-ish family. My older brother and I both had a decent pile of medical problems when we were younger, and were it not for Damned Socialism!, we would have been fucked eight ways from Sunday.Pretty much any people I ever talk to from "socialist" nations like Canada love their health care and say that its only stupid American right wingers portraying them as waiting months for care or all these other misconceptions. Most recent was a chick me and my fiancee were talking to online and thinking of meeting up with in person. After a month or so of talking to her off and on I asked about healthcare and she said that even with having not 1 but 2 freaking autistic children she had never had a problem and thanks God she isnt in the US where she would be saddled with debt and little to no help for her two sons.